Relatable
2y 4mon ago by lemm.ee/u/EmhyrVarEmreis in memes@lemmy.ml from lemm.ee
I've never seen someone both frothing at the mouth and have a raging hard on at the same time.
God damn
K. That's fucking funny! Imagine that, humor in a meme thread!!!
You can definitely tell both a person's level of intelligence and creativity, by how quickly they resort to "your mother" jokes.
I'll leave you to your sexually charged fantasies about hate-fucking the opposition.
But she doesn't seem opposed to it.
Also funny
And to be fair, the US isn't a "democracy". It's a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives. Semantics, I know, but accuracy counts.
Nobody means “universal direct democracy” when they say “democracy”. Not the ancient Athenians, not the Swiss, nobody.
This is a very disingenuous talking point.
It's not a talking point. Seems quite a few Americans don't know what our actual form of government is called. Accuracy counts.
Words mean what the people using them agree that they mean.
You are holding a minority position here. It would seem you do not know what your form of government is called.
Minority view or not, it's correct. Just because it's a majority doesn't make it correct.
Well, you are correct by a minority. But incorrect by the majority.
Its called perspective and language. Study papers need to define the word sometimes from the ground up so the paper becomes understandable.
Guess it depends on what the definition of "is" is. Hate it all you want, I'm right.
I guess your ego to be right is more worth than valuable conversations where people actually understand each other by being on similar wavelengths.
Congratulation. You are right. But I dont know where.
democracy /dĭ-mŏk′rə-sē/ noun
Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
A political or social unit that has such a government.
The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
Majority rule.
The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.
Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is retained and directly exercised by the people.
Government by popular representation; a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people
Collectively, the people, regarded as the source of government.
The principles and policy of the Democratic party, so called.
republic /rĭ-pŭb′lĭk/ noun
A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.
A nation that has such a political order.
A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
A specific republican government of a nation. "the Fourth Republic of France."
An autonomous or partially autonomous political and territorial unit belonging to a sovereign federation. (Read:federation of states)
A group of people working as equals in the same sphere or field. "the republic of letters."
I'm right, right here.
In other words it's a shitty democracy.
Democracy, by definition, is 50% +1 vote, otherwise known as "mob rule". That would be an even shittier system to live under.
Ok fascist.
I just want to point out that the majority of people are manipulated by massive corporations on a daily basis. They just use it for immediate profit by getting them to buy things. They could easily start manipulating people for political gain, of which they've tried in the past with varying degrees of success.
This is expressly what a constitutional federal republic (a specific type of democracy) is meant to prevent.
The fact that you called me a fascist proves you don't know what the word means
You mean this?
I know exactly what fascism is. Being anti-democracy does not in itself make you a fascist, but it's a very strong sign that you are. Either way you're an asshole and I don't particularly care what flavor of asshole you are.
And you're a fuckwit! Name calling is fun!
Never thought being pro-freedom meant fascist to intellectuals such as yourself. A system that could swing from election to election based on one vote seems pretty fucking horrible tbh, especially in the US with our deep partisan divdes. Imagine the sheer horror the libs would go through whe the country went 50.0000000001 to 49.9999999999 conservative and abortion became illegal for 4 years! Bet you'd hate democracy then!
For the record, I'm solidly pro choice, pro 2A, athiest and couldn't care less who you want to spend your naked time with. Find another lazy insult, fascist already wore itself out, and it doesn't describe the people you think it does - bet you agree with keeping Trump off the ballot. "Democratic", indeed.
Where were you on Jan 6, 2021?
At work, about 1,100 miles away. But I was there in spirit, so come get me!!!!
You don’t give a shit about the Constitution and rule of law obviously.
What, pray tell, gives you that idea? Considering i seem to know more about it than most of the people in this thread that want to pull some sort of "gotcha" on me, id argue the opposite. What do you find me to be in disagreement with the constitution on? Only arguments I've made here have been that there's no proof that Trump ordered an assault on the capitol. If your argument is that they were whipped up by his rhetoric (and I'd like to see it in context, including the "peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard" part included), then way more people need to be imprisoned longer for their "involvement" in the BLM/antifa riots of 2020. Maxine Waters literally stated that if you see a "Trumper" in a public place to get in their face and tell them they're not welcome. Seems to be pretty inciting speech, yet she's free to roam about and squander our tax dollars (like both sides do, I'm not disputing that). You don't really believe any of this shit, you just hate Trump and see it as an excuse to remove him from politics and to serve as a warning to anyone who dares to stand in the way of your progressive agenda.
Saying I was "there in spirit, so come get me" was pretty obviously a joke. If you don't like it, that's on you.
Trump didn't "order an assault", he incited it via his negligent speech; there's a big difference in intent. Now if you want to debate on who was involved that's fine; because shit fuckers like QAnon cult were involved along with other trash; but it's a fact that Trump's speech and even his entire campaign was negligent and rallied much attention from radicals even just leading up to it, his speech was just the straw that killed the camel and was the perfect excuse for these psychos.
Even with "peacefully and patriotically let your voices be heard" included, his campaign had already riled up the radicals and as we know once radicals are riled up their delusions make them only hear the "They're attacking our democracy, march down to the capital... Be strong... Fight like hell... If you don't fight like hell your not going to have a country anymore... Fight like hell".
Now I'm not going to argue wether or not he meant to incite the riot or wether or not it's a reflection of Trump or even wether it or not it was an inside job (it likely partially was considering the parties involved, some even glowed θ‿θ), but it's pretty clear that his campaign was negligent at the least.
Don't get me wrong, I have a pretty negative opinion of both Trump and Biden. Biden is an incompetent mental not there puppet with half his body in the grave and Trump openly supports Putin... So... Yeah... I'm not huge fan of the Democratic party or Republican party as is either. Wether I'm more right or left leaning is extremely questionable but I can tell you one thing, I'm very much openly critical of both parties and the "vote for the lesser evil" bs.
Finally a well thought out and reasonable response. I appreciate that, along with the lack of name-calling.
The issue at hand is, mere negligence, even if it was ruled as such, rarely elicits a conviction, and oftentimes won't even resort in charges. Stack that with the resentment that roughly 50% of the voting public (not ongoing to argue numbers, just using it as a rough guide) would see it as an attack on the person whom they believed in and voted for (or saw as a foil to someone they liked less, in this case Biden).
There's also the issue that criminal negligence is notoriously hard to convict on, and in the highly unlikely scenario it were charged, convicted and sentenced, it wouldn't take a dream team of lawyers to overturn based on unequal application of the law, which, in this case, wouldn't take more than watching the nightly news.
None of this is stating that it's my belief that he was criminally negligent by using the terms "fight like hell" and such, I do not. It's common enough vernacular in the English language that to try and indict, let alone convict on it is pretty paper-thin.
Look, I understand that roughly half of the country dislikes him, if not outright hates him. However, that isn't enough to throw out precedent in an attempt to remove him from the ballot. The fact that it is being tried in several states is, in its pure form, fascism.
Interesting that you bring up the possibility of false flag actors, I wasn't going to go there, but I do appreciate the honesty in that it is quite possible there were some there.
I can at least partially agree, however I want to preference that with had he actually intentionally incited the riot he should be removed given the nationalistic bases making it pretty fascist in it own right. However, it has already been found that there's insufficient evidence (specifically for the riot at least) in a court of law and in so removing him at this point would indeed be pretty unjust.
Interesting that you bring up the possibility of false flag actors
I'm nearly 100% sure that there were, like we already know that the QAnon cult was there because they were very public about their presence and I had already seen them planing it on their brain rot forums prior to it. The other parties are a bit more dubious to varying degree but I'm not going to pretend like there isn't any evidence because there most certainly is even if it's not completely solid. There's also the given that the QAnon cult have their own connections and intersections with other radical parties that were said to have been involved.
As for the glowies involvement; though the most dubious; It'd not be surprising either, Biden would make for a pretty good puppet considering his mental state and it's not like they haven't puppeteer-ed before, for example... The NSA & FBI capitalizing on 9/11 by exploiting their connection with president Bush to sign in the patriot act authorizing them to violate privacy and civil liberties via the conduct of warrantless wiretaps and surveillance on international phone calls and emails of American citizens as part of the President's Surveillance Program and Terrorist Surveillance Program. Which the NSA's mass surveillance programs was then exposed by Edward Snowden, a former contractor for the National Security Agency (NSA), in 2013.
You won't find much of an argument with me on any of these points. We see our freedoms get trampled on in the name of... whatever, and too many people just say "thank you sir, may I have another".
It seems that a lot of anti-trump/pro-biden folk just downvote anything even slightly differing in opinion without even understanding the nuance and that's a big character flaw on their part, granted pro-trump/anti-biden folk can be the same way; however I've found the pro-biden folk to be more so.
Like I've already said previously, I'm pretty anti-both and criticize them more or less equally but anti-trump folk seems to be "if you're not with me, your against me", when in reality I'm neither; the only thing I'm 'with' is human rights, but they don't care; all they see is an attack on their beloved and completely ignore the true nature of my standing.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Moronic or bad faith argument. Why do you even try?
Because it's funny. His own AG stated he wouldn't be fit to stand trial in a case regarding the classified documents he was illegally in possession of. I will fully admit I'm more Trump than not, but put up a funny Trump meme and I'll laugh along with you. Last actual funny anti-Trump meme I can recall was one of those "Ladies, find yourself a man who looks at you the way Trump looks at Ivanka". That actually generated a giggle. The shit I see nowadays is lazy "Orange man in jumpsuit!!!! He go jail!". That shit's not funny, it's dumb. I've seen some pretty dumbass Biden ones too.
Buddy you are half the comments on this post. Is there not any grass you could be touching?
Like they say, "don't feed the bears"
That and I was feeling particularly feisty last night.
Only Jon Stewart is allowed to make fun of democratic leadership!
Well yeah, conservatives couldn’t find a joke if it had oil in it
Yes, yes, other team bad ad nauseum.
I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of gaffes Biden has made over the last two years.
Trump can't go a single day without making a fool out of himself.
Keep talking about it
I don't get all the drama and controversy here? It's a meme.
Replace Joe with the evil orange man and watch the like/dislike flip instantly!!!!
No, I said what I said. When did he get charged with treason?
Just because he wasn't charged with treason doesn't mean he didn't commit treason by advocating an armed insurrection against our democracy. (See: the US post-Civil War Reconstruction Era for further examples.)
And if you want to why he wasn't charged for that, it's because of Republican Special Counsel Ken Starr's disastrous opinion that sitting presidents are above the law and can't be prosecuted, and must instead be impeached--which, if you remember, Trump was, not once but twice. Of course now Trump is arguing that he's still above the law and deserves "total immunity", which only further shows that he is, in fact, a wanna-be dictator.
Saying "Trump wasn't charged with a crime so therefore he did nothing wrong" and "Trump can't be charged with a crime because current and former US Presidents must have total immunity from prosecution" is very clearly circular logic.
It's not murder if they don't find the body!
Or the classified documents by the corvette in the garage! Oh wait...
Well, you should probably elect better representation if you feel he committed treason by telling people to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard, and that super treasonous decree telling everyone to go home. Considering not even AOC or Ilhan Omar brought up charges of treason, gonna go ahead and guess that there's literally zero evidence, let alone reason to even try, but you seem to know more than they do. Also, for a dictator, he did a pretty piss poor job of remaining in power. Also pretty sure Ken Starr never stated sitting presidents are above the law, we do still have the impeachment process, which you also brought up. Yes, he was impeached (brought up on charges) by a liberal house, but was subsequently acquitted (found not guilty) by a conservative senate.
Pinpoint exactly how he tried to remain in power. The peaceful transition of power occurred on 1/20/21 as scheduled, nary a violent incident to be found. Your zeal to see a man you disagree with destroyed, being fed by pure idiots as well as some who have far more nefarious intentions, is undeniable. Reams of documents and thousands of hours of video evidence still haven't surfaced. Yet they keep feeding you lie after lie. If such evidence existed, it would be plastered all over the news, and I would stand beside you to throw him in prison.
On a different topic, but one that's more in line with the meme posted that started all this, do you agree that Biden should be impeached and put in prison for what remains of his life for the documents he was in no way legally allowed to take possession of after his time as vice president, nor were they secured in any way, shape or form? Or do you agree with AG Garland that he's unfit to stand trial?
Sure a bunch of fuckwits did some dumb shit, and quite a few did some really bad shit. For all of them, I fully support throwing the book at them. However, there is zero proof that Trump is culpable in it.
If you really want to block me but can't, I'll go ahead and stop engaging you. I fully respect your wishes and I'm truly sorry if whatever I said somehow caused you grief. I wish the best for you and hope that someday you'll look back on this conversation objectively, and not through a lens polarized by political beliefs.
I've read the "relevant portions", however, in them I still fail to see how Trump himself is implicated. It would be the same if I were to imply that the BLM riots in Minneapolis during 2020 were instigated by Maxine Waters. I'm not, as each individual chooses to riot, and implying that Waters, even with her rhetoric, is not the one at fault for the riot in Minneapolis, just as Trump is not responsible for the riot in DC. You'll forgive me if I don't trust a ruling handed down by a court that's sympathetic to Trump's opposition.
I'm more than happy to engage in a civil discussion about this, and any other issues, but from all sides, there's no "there" there when it comes to Trump as a traitor or insurrectionist. Simply a man who was upset about losing an election and the refusal of states to investigate into abnormalities, real OR imagined by the Trump campaign. If he truly was a dictator, he would have refused to leave on 1/20. He didn't. The peaceful transfer of power occurred like it has throughout our history. The lack of charges of treason and/or insurrection by now, especially with the different factions within both the democrat AND republican parties makes that quite clear - there's no evidence of such.
Pinpoint exactly how he tried to remain in power.
He tried to get a mob to murder his own vice president.
We were there. It was not too long ago. We remember.
The fact that he’s crap at seizing power doesn’t mean he should get away with it. In fact, guess what usually happens to failed golpistas.
Oh boy. Lay off the Maddow. You were there? In the room? Neat! Bust out the tapes and prove that's what happened!!!
He did it live on television, you idiot.
Point to a clip where he told people to bum rush the capitol, riot, and shit on Pelosi's desk. I'll wait.
Didn't Trump love to talk about that Alzheimers/Dementia-Test he once took and how well he performed and remembered that 5 things they asked him to remember? This sounds like a joke I already heard. Maybe we can look up the dislike ratio from back then.
I do recall something like that, and I recall him passing it. The dude brags all the time about dumb shit, I will wholeheartedly agree to that.
Your point?
My point?
The statement was: "Replace Joe with the evil orange man [...]"
My point is, no need for that. The orange man is way ahead of you. I'd credit him for coming up with that meme, years ago.
Your statement was about the cognitive test he was bragging about, that's what I was responding to. I fully admit that Trump will brag about anything, not sure where you were going with that statement. If you'd like to take it in another direction, feel free.
Yeah post that are low effort “orange man bad” don’t get shit on and deleted all the time you muppet.
Funny that you call me a Muppet while defending a literal Muppet. You do you.
Literally not defending anyone. Learn to read. It’s in my post history disputing misinformation about Trump and clicking on the post show it as deleted but I know facts won’t get in the way of your feelings.
Oh boo hoo. Show me on the doll where the orange man hurt you
Most literate online Trump supporter.
..tips his hat. G'day!
Most clever response yet! He didn't hurt your democracy though, he didn't try to keep the opposition off the ballot.
He didn’t hurt your democracy though, he didn’t try to keep the opposition off the ballot.
Yeah he just repeatedly called the election rigged and tried to replace the Biden electoral votes with Trump ones by means of an armed insurrection.
But hey, he failed (just like how he fails at everything else) so no harm no foul. That's how law and society work, right?
Sneaky edit! You couldnt find any instance of it being armed, could you????
Armed with what? Cameras and cellphones? Get your news from somewhere other than the daily kos. And I recall Hillary's plot to get electors to "vote their concious"
https://nypost.com/2016/12/15/celebrities-beg-electors-to-be-heroes-and-vote-against-trump/
Armed with what?
Guns, knives, blunt weapons, tasers, bear spray, hand cuffs and zip ties.
Taking the stand in the seditious conspiracy case against Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and four associates, Terry Cummings showed jurors an AR-15 firearm and an orange box for ammunition that he contributed to the so-called quick reaction force the Oath Keepers had staged at the hotel outside of Washington in case they needed weapons.
“I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” said Cummings, a veteran who joined the Oath Keepers in Florida in 2020.
But a review of the federal charges against the alleged rioters shows that they did come armed, and with a variety of weapons: stun guns, pepper spray, baseball bats and flagpoles wielded as clubs. An additional suspect also allegedly planted pipe bombs by the headquarters of the Democratic and Republican parties the night before the riot and remains at large.
Online sleuths who have aided in hundreds of Jan. 6 prosecutions say he is the same man they identified to the FBI who is currently individual No. 200 on the bureau’s Capitol Violence page, which he first appeared on three years ago. Videos and photographs from the Capitol on Jan. 6 showed him with what appears to be a gun in his waistband. As NBC News previously reported, that man, John Emanuel Banuelos, told Salt Lake City police that he was at the Capitol and had been captured on film with a gun. “I was in the D.C. riots,” he told the investigators, according to a police transcript. “I’m the one in the video with the gun right here.”
And I recall Hillary’s plot to get electors to “vote their concious”
The source you've linked quotes Martin Sheen and other "celebrities", not Hillary Clinton, who conceded the election as someone who believed in democracy would (despite being much more popular than Trump and winning the national vote by millions).
Also, you should know that official electors are not always bound. As a Trump voter I know you're not big on education or knowledge, but if you want you can read all about unpledged electors here.
Meanwhile, what Trump and his gang of indicted co-conspirators did was to submit a slate of fraudulent and fake electors to the election certification process in order to literally steal swing state electoral college votes and appoint himself President. Or as he likes to say "dictator on day one".
Here's a list of the names of the fraudulent electors in each state that Trump tried to overthrow.
And don't forget how they beat that one police officer to death with a flagpole.
Literally didn't happen. And it was a fire extinguisher.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics/brian-sicknick-death-us-capitol-riot/index.html
She still calls him an "illegitimate president"
The "dictator on day one" statement was made as a joke, but you know libs, no sense of humor.
I'm well aware that official electors are not bound. Precisely why Charlie Sheen and others made that video. With her fingerprints all over it.
Were any weapons brandished at the capitol riot, let alone a firearm? I'm sure the streets of DC are 100% completely free of any type of weapon, because, laws. Seems leaving your weapons in a hotel room would be pretty stupid if you're going to commit an "insurrection". I'd be willing to wager you cheered when James Hodgkinson shot up the republican softball game, an actual terrorist attack (terrorism being defined as -
"The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals."
treason /trē′zən/ noun
The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts.
The betrayal of someone's trust or confidence.
The offense of attempting to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance, or of betraying the state into the hands of a foreign power; disloyalty; treachery.
Seems the one libs are all hanging their hat on is the 1st part of point 3. However, Trump was president on 1/6/21, so who was he trying to overthrow? Himself? Has he attempted to overthrow Biden in the ensuing years? If calling the election "rigged" can be construed as such, you've got an even bigger problem on your hands as Raskin, Waters, Schiff, among others, did the same in 2016, so they're traitors?
Now, if you want to talk about how Biden withheld a billion dollars from Ukraine unless the prosecutor investigating Burisma, and is now dumping billions of our dollars over there... and remember kids, Ukraine has never been our ally. If you feel it's prudent to start another proxy war with Russia, ask Afghanistan how that turned out.
Cry more.
And that's a block.
That'll show me!
Lemmy feels way worse than reddit when it comes to bias. Tankies and freaks everywhere
I know right!