Admits? Acknowledging that destroying capitalism is key to addressing the climate catastrophe is like admitting the sky is blue (or orange and smoky, as the case may be).
It would be real weird if she did not conclude this
Agreed! And at least one young public figure says it.
Most people don't want to face the truth of the propaganda in front of them. It is easy to believe what your state wants you to believe. or keep you in a box to talk about anything other than capitalism.
I'm sorry to use such harsh language, but anyone who doesn't understand that the world cannot be saved under capitalism is a few eggs short of a dozen.
I want people to have a good think and realize what's the end game in capitalism. Each generation, more wealth and resources are hoarded by the most rich and powerful, and lower classes are left with less and less.
the contradictions of capitalism will be the end of itself, however we are now in a race with climate change, so we may end up in perishing in mass by unlivable wet bulb temperatures.
the water wars will be interesting though.
ipcc report ftw.
Especially once you consider the IPCC reports are often criticized for being out of date by the time of their release/conservative in their predictions. The bottom line is you're right and we'll hit wet bulb temps of like 120 fahrenheit before the people in power ever consider putting something besides their bank accounts at the top of their priorities. It makes it interesting, though, for sure, considering the people most resistant to change have the least need for any further accumulation of wealth: it's basically just a game to them.
The water wars are going to be awesome....considering the percentage of freshwater on this planet that we've polluted to the point where it's dangerous to drink...? It'll be a wild time.
What makes you think they’d ever actually change?
Oh don’t get me wrong, I don’t believe there is any chance whatsoever that they will. I am pretty committed to doomerism unless we start seeing some signs of irl organizing in meaningful ways beyond just toothless public marches and awareness raising.
What do you think?
Well she's not wrong......
Good for her. She finally grew up and saw reality.
comrade, she is just aoc for zoomers
AOC is AOC for zoomers, Greta doesn’t have any power and there’s still some hope for her.
She just supported people that blown up Nordstream, Kakhovka dam (and a lot of other things), shelled nuclear plant, started and maintain that war and use depleted uranium shells. I would say that even from a strictly ecological point of view she fucked up incredibly.
She's supporting the Ukrainians tho.
Are you actually saying that they did all this to themselves? That's what the Russian state has been saying without credible proof.
Edit: I'd like to see where you got your info.
To themselves??? None of those were theirs.
Nordstream is Russian-German, not Ukrainian. Sabotaged obviously by USA, though USA claim Ukraine did it. <- note this shit, how they are wriggling themselves as pretzels and Greta is standing between them, supporting both possible perpetrators of that huge multitiered ecological catastrophe.
Kakhovka dam is on territory annexed by Russia and is very important strategic asset for Russia since it protects mainly Russian side and supplies Crimea with water, which is huge problem and was one of the main reasons Russians taken it. Also Ukraine previously already attacked it and they were freely admitting to WaPo they have a plan to blowing it. Also it wouldn't be even first dam blown up by them.
Power plant is also occupied by Russians which had to shut it down because Ukraine was shelling it. Unless you believe the UA info that Russian artilery shelled literally themselves.
Uranium shells are supplied to Ukraine by UK. They will use it in Ukraine, so i guess this is what they do to themselves, it's their kids who gonna be born with plethora of problems. Alternatively, they might bombard Donetsk with it i guess, they are under no illusion this city is theirs and they are routineley showering civilian objests and infrastructure there with cluster mines, and other supposedly rare munitions (weird how they beg around the world for it and then use it on pointless attacks on civilians).
it seem it is you who argue that Russia don't even need an enemy because for some reason they keep attacking and sabotaging themselves all the time.
What I'm hearing is a tonne of supposition without backed up facts and hard reporting.
I would love to see a link to a news story covering the evidence. Otherwise this sounds like a social media consensus built in a speculation-echo-chamber.
HAHAHAHA now that's fucking rich of you, coming here from the imperialist social media consensus.
But ok, i will humor you, though note that one sealion got banned already in this thread.
Power plant, here, here, here
Donetsk bombings plenty here
Uranium shells effects are pretty obviously researched in Iraq and Serbia, about howm seding it to Ukraine here and here. They are even bragging about it ffs.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using an URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: ukraine_war_news@lemmygrad.ml
Some of those links are broken, but I'm getting the jist. Not all those links support your position, tho. Many that are not Russian news orgs are pointing the blame at Russia.
The politico article makes sure to point out that Russia is placing artillery in a position very close to the nuclear plant. That's Bad, and inviting disaster.
The first link is a conspiracy blogger. this is patently not true! Leaving this up as an abject lesson in doing a little more reading before reacting to reflexive vitriol.
I don't particularly like that Ukraine shot at a nuclear power plant, but...
There is no real great answer to the question of "how do you behave when someone as a boot to your throat?" This war, started by Russia, is monstrous, in no small part because of the horrible cycle of retribution.
I didn't know that Ukraine actually fired on Russian installations near a nuclear power plant. Thank you for informing me. I don't like it, but I blame Russia for daring Ukraine to attack it.
The first link is a conspiracy blogger.
Seymour Hersh is a conspiracy blogger??? You want to tell me all the previous times when he was correct like was also conspiracy theories? My Lai, Watergate, CIA support for Pinochet, Israel having nukes, Abu Ghraib, etc. ???
The politico article makes sure to point out that Russia is placing artillery in a position very close to the nuclear plant. That’s Bad, and inviting disaster.
Small part of the consequence of NATO being "Bad, and inviting disaster" since it been founded and especially since 1991.
Some of those links are broken
All works for me, just checked, but nvm
This war, started by Russia, is monstrous, in no small part because of the horrible cycle of retribution.
This isn't "horrible cycle of retribution", this is ongoing imperialism and specifically USA efforts to maintain their global hegemony in the capitalist system - an infinite growth in finite planet. And even the hot part of that war wasn't started by Russia, it was started by Ukraine attacking Donbas in 2014, Russian intervened in that in 2022.
Seymour Hersh is a conspiracy blogger??? You want to tell me all the previous times when he was correct like was also conspiracy theories? My Lai, Watergate, CIA support for Pinochet, Israel having nukes, Abu Ghraib, etc. ???
I'll fully admit that I hadn't read the entire thing or did due diligence on the sources prior to my comment. That's a mistake I just did, and I will not be removing my previous comment, but striking it out with an added a correction as an abject lesson & to walk back the clearly erroneously statement. This is a bad habit of mine when I see vitriol online, particularly when it has a flavor of Russian state Media talking points.
Thank you for pointing me to this guy's blog. That is very promising to me, someone who likes to be informed by people who do their due diligence. (Hold up one more time! Here is a article that I found that refutes Seymour Hersh's assertions. Also, we only have a single anonymous source of S. Hersh's claims. https://oalexanderdk.substack.com/p/blowing-holes-in-seymour-hershs-pipe)I don't like the idea that the US did this on Ukraine's behalf, but that doesn't make me think that Russia is the good guys, actually. The number of things that Ukraine and the United States would have to do to outweigh the atrocities that Russia has perpetrated, especially in starting this war for reuniting 'Greater Russia.' Not for standing against Capitalism, which is alive and well in the de facto fascist-oligarchy that is the modern Russian state.
This isn’t “horrible cycle of retribution”, this is ongoing imperialism and specifically USA efforts to maintain their global hegemony in the capitalist system - an infinite growth in finite planet. And even the hot part of that war wasn’t started by Russia, it was started by Ukraine attacking Donbas in 2014, Russian intervened in that in 2022.
Russia horribly mischaracterized a political pressure cooker, and made it tremendously worse by invading. You are repeating that purposeful propaganda in this moment. Protecting 'ethnic russians' was never the goal.
I suppose next you'll tell me that the Crimean peninsula vote to join Russia was above board?
Even the comments in this article you linked are criticising it pretty hard. Again, this is the guy who was consistently correct in decades, and the Nordstream issue is hottest potato since "Cuban" missile crisis, a literal attack on ally by USA and part of escalation which might as well lead to WW3. Of course a lot of people and institutions are gonna try to deflect it really hard.
United States would have to do to outweigh the atrocities that Russia has perpetrated
https://dessalines.github.io/essays/us_atrocities.html
Russia horribly mischaracterized a political pressure cooker, and made it tremendously worse by invading. You are repeating that purposeful propaganda in this moment. Protecting ‘ethnic russians’ was never the goal.
Yawn, cut and slice and gotcha moment.
I suppose next you’ll tell me that the Crimean peninsula vote to join Russia was above board?
We really don't have anything to talk about.
I can only urge you to diversify your news intake with non-social media sources, as social media is corrosive to media literacy.
Additionally here's this article that pointedly refutes many of the main claims of Seymour Hersh's article.
https://oalexanderdk.substack.com/p/blowing-holes-in-seymour-hershs-pipe
Also there's only one anonymous source on Seymour Hersh's article.
It's plausible that the USA had a part in it, but hardly conclusive.
Slamming someone for parroting imperialist media and then citing Washington post as a source is peak lol. I get it Ukraine and NATO are bad but how is supporting the equally corrupt, equally capitalist Russia in any way better?
Even your own imperialist media break the narrative occasionally. We use them when they do, to try to make liberals think for a second, though the liberal taming is usually way too strong.
Imperialism, that's why.
I’m learning that “speculation echo chamber” is exactly what this instance is. Although “Russian propaganda repeater” might be more accurate as they don’t invent these narratives on their own.
In order of my google search's results.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4043221-ukraine-kakhovka-dam-collapse-theories/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/16/world/europe/ukraine-kakhovka-dam-collapse.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65818705
Most of these articles admit that it is kind of impossible to know for sure in the middle of a warzone. It's as likely that it collapsed due to lack of proper maintenance in the middle of a war.
What's your source?
I think you replied to the wrong guy
Oh yah hah.
I love how some people hold her to much higher standards than the politicians they vote for.
I hope she has a good future. This is a good citizen of this world, something we lack dearly.
Thank you!
I haven't followed her entire life but everything I've ever read about her makes me happy. Good for her. If she said that, well, it's the truth!
Obvious troll is obvious.
Hi, Putler troll.
Her body language in the pictures told a story of discomfort in my eyes. I would like to believe that she realised what a mistake she'd made when she met him.
The only liberation Russia is doing in Ukrain is the liberation of Ukrainians and Russians by removing life from them.
Man, this comment section is something
I think the "late stage capitalism" subreddit was lib friendly, so they see this one and behave the way they did there.
well, shes not wrong.
She's not wrong, but I feel its the wrong decision and statement to make.
why do you think that?
Because it instantly alienates many people who are taking steps to be more environmentally conscious. Takes her from the passionate, future focused activist to nutter territory and undoes soo much of the work.
She is right, the system isn't sustainable. But the progress she was getting at smaller goals could have led to these bigger changes that we as a society just aren't mature enough for.
I’m used to everything pro-Ukraine on this instance being downvoted to hell. Everyone who supports Russia is being downvoted instead. What is going on?
Must have showed up on a bunch of people from other instances’ “all” feeds.
Lot of Nazi fans popping in from other instances I guess.
Don't worry about Meta. Our instance will preemptively block Threads.
Or your echo chamber is leaking
Post Hog.
🤷♂️ say what you want, lemmygrad just seems like an alt reddit to me, very clearly certain mindsets are upvoted and others are down voted here
Greta: Capitalism is to blame
Also Greta: meets up with volodymyr zelenśkyj
Russia is not the alternative to capitalism, they are part of it.
But there is something worse than capitalism: imperialism
I don't get it
Well, what do you think about Zelenśkyj?
I like him. Am I not supposed to?
No, actually.
- He is holding political prisoners (Kononovyč brothers)
- He has banned multiple opposition parties
- He is continuing the Majdanite ban on the KPU and communist symbols.
- He suspended elections "until the war is over" and also stated "the war won't be over until he takes Krym" Krym is rather deep in Russia's territory by now and Zelenśkyj has trouble with Donbass let alone Krym. This boils down to "Zelenśkyj suspended elections indefinitely." The Majdan regime is a literal fascist regime, attacking Russians and communists. (I'm not saying to support Russia either, although a lot of people on LG would say to support Russia)
SoLongSealion@lemmy.world is literally a sea lion.
I don't think that's a coincidence
Suspending elections until war is over is encoded in their constitution.
That does not make it better in any way.
Maybe take it up with the people who wrote the constitution.
Those people prefigured the situation, much like the US founders created the structural framework for disenfranchisement, racial capitalism, and global imperialism. We can't take it up with them, we just need to assess it soberly. Contemporaries do not get free passes merely because the precursors were created by now-dead peope
That's all well and good, but they're under attack by Putin, a Nazi who accuses everyone of nazism. Opening elections at this point would just encourage idiots to vote for their oppressors.
a Nazi who accuses everyone of nazism.
Is this projection?
Opening elections at this point would just encourage idiots to vote for their oppressors.
Being anti-democracy and calling more than half of ukrainian people idiots, typical westerner behavior.
No, I was talking about you as an idiot. If you don't realize that Putin is an authoritarian narcissist tyrant oppressor hell bent on destroying anyone who's not Russian then you're unfixable.
ad 1: You already know what would happen to Ukrainian spies in Russia. They can thank their lucky stars for still being alive and held in a country with actual morals. ad 2: You already know what would've happened to pro-Ukrainian parties in Russia long before 2014. ad 3: All the while Putler is trying to take his country back to that "romantic" era. Seems to me like what's good for Putler can't possibly be good for his sworn enemies. ad 4: That's how fucking martial law works.
Seriously what do you expect national policy to look like when you're being invaded? Just let others spy on you, meddle with your national politics in parliament, weaken your resolve? When war starts shit gets fucking real really fucking quick. Putler has declared Ukrainians sub-humans, inferior to the "actual Russian/Slav", he is abducting their children. This is genocide and it's just mindboggling how people in actual free countries manage to twist the narrative into such directions like "Ukraine should just sue for a ceasefire".
Especially you with your Black-Red-and-Gold profile picture should know how well suing for peace worked with Hitler. Dictators just take what they can until they are dictators no more. Putin will take whatever he possibly can for as long as there is still a breath left in his body. He will rebuild his military, no matter how long it takes, he will model Russia's economy after North Korea's and you already know he absolutely will be back for more of the same.
Why does he have so much support from NATO countries considering these points?
Look who’s just figuring out that nato is just rebranded imperialism
I'm not arguing, I'm just honestly asking questions. Why is NATO imperialistic? From my perspective, they are trying to help an independent country defend itself from people who are trying to take it from them by force.
NATO actively pushed the Ukrainians into this war, because what is happening here is a proxy war. NATO, US and EU officials openly admit this, and even brag about it.
This war didn't start in 2022. It started in 2012 with the Maidan coup.
Furthermore, if you think NATO is not an imperialist organization, then I don't think you've been following what has been going on in the world since its inception.
I'm still a bit confused. It was Ukraine that was attacked by Russia and needed to defend itself. How did NATO push them into war?
Thanks for answering to that guy. It was pretty obvious they were not here "just asking questions", and also obvious they were downvoting any answer they got, but it's good to engage the trolls and show other people reading the conversation the reality.
I am not trolling. My questions are legitimate. I don't claim (in this context) to be pro NATO, or pro Russian. I claim to be uninformed, and I think that's okay. What I seek is unbiased information.
Thank you for leaving me an informative comment instead of just downvoting my questions. Do you have any reliable resources that I can read to get more educated on this topic?
@SoLongSealion @OrnluWolfjarl they didn't, and these people are talking crap.
Between the Ukraine war and the Wagner coup, we've learned that if NATO ever wanted to come down on Russia like a tonne of bricks, the best Putin could do is blow up his roads and fuck off into a hole somewhere.
I sure hope Russia's paying them, 'cause the alternative is even more depressing.
No investigation, no right to speak
Oh, and I'm not pro-Russia - fuck Putin - but the Donbass etc voted to secede to Russia and the Ukraine bombed the shit out of them...so yeah. The US and, by extension, NATO, are supporting the war to keep it going because it's a proxy war because Communism scary.
Because NATO is not "pro-democracy". Portugal under the Salazar regime was one of the founders of NATO.
I'm not even anti-NATO or anti-Selensky, but man this is naive. NATO is a political tool like any other organisations funded by nations.
If their communists are anything like the swedish ones they are just "tankies". They'll love russia and china with the reasoning that they are "not usa" and therefore automatically good. This has been a huge issue for the european "far"-left for ages.
Most of what you listed is just attributably to being at war. Elections are impossible to hold during war and the crimea-thing is just posturing at this point which mean very little.
Since I am a Swedish communist and know plenty of them, I feel it might fall on me to say that you are just being ignorant and judgmental. There has been a fair share of naivety in the ranks of the left wing parties in Sweden, but that was much more notable during the 1970's than it is today. I don't know any communist or socialist in Sweden that argues in such simplistic terms like "not USA is automatically good", that's just an insane claim to make. And while we're at it, most of the western world seem to agree that "not-Russia is automatically good" with all the head-in-the-sand shit the west is pulling over Ukraine. I believe you are touting prejudice against communists, like so many before you have done. It doesn't do anyone any good.
I agree that it had changed to the better in the last 15 years or so. It's still an issue elsewhere though.
Elections are impossible to hold during war.
Historically, no.
and the crimea-thing is just posturing at this point which mean very little.
You should go in the middle of Kiev and shout this. Pretty soon, some armed thugs will pull up, strip you, beat you up, throw green paint on you then tie you on a street lamp and piss on you. It's not posturing.
These supposed consequences are nothing more than stochastic threatening from you.
Oh yes. Because of course I made it up. There's not hundreds of videos of exactly this scenario happening.
The last time anybody was mobbed was in the early part of the war when they were looting. You can't show any proof of your claims.
Euros will always call travelling people thieves, because euros are extremely racist.
Of course! This did not happen on June 14 2023: https://t.me/ukraine_watch/4209
Or this in April: https://t.me/ukraine_watch/621?single
Next you are going to tell me Ukraine is not run by Nazis?
Links don't work, it's just opening my sms app for some reason.
They are Telegram links. You might need to use their app.
Ah, I was confused since I guess the t was twitter.
It's easy to believe that everyone's a Nazi when you get your news from actual Nazis.
Are you a random word generator or something?
ArE yOu A rAnDoM wOrD gEnErAtOr?
I don't care about him so... I'm more concerned about the families of my friends who live there.
Well, what do you think about Zelenśkyj?
removed by moderator
Lol
She still needs to kill some very nasty lib brainworms, I remember seeing some lib takes a few weeks ago from her
I am unaware. May you please explain their bad takes?
Well the link is gone, she was outright supporting nato which is the enforcer of capitaism/american hegemony
I can confirm it was all over lemmygrad a week ago.
was it really only a week ago? felt like forever ago to me lol
Confronting truth. Let's downvote...
Don't really care about downvotes, to be expected since it blew up on lemmy.world for some reason tbh
Oh look, uncited shit
I tried to link the ap news article, I clicked to check and make sure it was still up and it gave me an error, that's why there's a deleted comment from me. I didnt and don't feel like tracking it back down
Realize the root of our biggest problems is inherent to the capitalist system we created and live in [speedrun - any%]
I'm glad she came to this conclusion, but her actions after that statement don't seem to go too hand in hand.
What actions?
Anti-Russian/pro-Ukraine stuff
Ahh, so she's mentally competent then?
? Russia is capitalist, engaging in imperialism, and committing genocide.
How are those cluster munitions going?
I'm also honestly confused as to why anyone would be pro-Russian
So basically NATO has been expanding its way eastward since its foundation (despite promises not to) and has now butted up against Russia. Russia wants Ukraine to not join, but the US disagrees so here we are.
Btw this war doesn't have much to do with Putin or Zelensky, really. Replace the head of state for either country and you'd still end up with the same conflict. And people have been writing about this for decades now, Brzezinski in particular basically plotted out the US policies that led us here.
Finally a response that is not passive aggressive and has information. Do you know of any reliable or substantial sources I can read to get more educated on this topic?
How do you justify invading a sovereign nation?
TL;DR because they got couped and are having a civil war right next to your border, are ignoring political attempts to resolve their issues, and want to join a military alliance that is an extreme threat to your national security
Ukraine has been in civil war since 2014 and hasn't respected either of the ceasefires that it signed onto (Minsk protocols). The fight was broadly started over whether Ukraine should align itself with Europe & America or Russia. Since then, the country has been couped by the US and has been persecuting and killing Ukrainians who support Russia and/or protest the new government.
There's also how Ukraine wants to join NATO, which would certainly mean that the US would station nukes right next to Moscow. Remember the Cuban missile crisis? This is basically the same thing but with even closer territories.
I'm not certain that Russia entering the war was the best move, but I'm also confident that US interference would never stop peacefully. I'm also certain that if it were a western country in a similar position, our media would be framing it as an intervention instead of an invasion. Keep in mind that Russia and Ukraine are separate countries in the first place because of US meddling and they've only been apart for ~30 years (many Russians have friends and family who died in the civil war prior to 2023).
So a neighboring country looking to join NATO, is suddenly a big enough threat to be reason for invasion?
How much do you know about NATO? And Russian history? 🤨
Yes.
No, the genocide in the donbass is
Edit: Yes
I'm not really surprised that A LOT of people got fooled by the most intensive propaganda campaign in human history.
You're on a tankie instance. They hate everyone.
No we hate western imperialists. More than 4/5th of the world is non-western people.
And, as westerners don't see nonwesterners as human, us hating the west must seem to them as if we hated all "humans"
I also don't hate non-imperialist westerners. But in the mind of the imperialist, non-imperialist westerners don't exist.
But in the mind of the imperialist, non-imperialist westerners don’t exist.
Oh imperialists do know non-imperialists exist, they are calling them "traitors", "Putin agents", "Russian trolls", etc.
I do not hate many, however I do tend to hold great disdain for people with their heads so far up their own narcissistic asses that they utterly fail to recognize the humanity in others.
Especially glowing types like yourself, instigator.
As a Polish person I have only unrelenting hatred for Nazis. As a communist I have only unrelenting love for the proletariat and hate for the bourgeoisie.
Oh okay, I see now haha. I was actually super confused because usually my questions aren't met with so much disregard.
Schellenberger is such a clueless opportunist that he can't possibly understand. It's incredibly ironic when you look at the various things he's argued for in the past as well.
watch out. the comment section is complete filth
You weren't lying about the comment section, sheesh.
Generally the people that do comment under articles aren't very good people, don't forget those that just, you know, don't.
It's usually people that don't understand what's going on or take things out of context or just plain want to hate that comment on articles. Oh, and trolls.
This article is over 8 months old.
I'd like to kindly remind people that Social Media and News Literacy do not go hand in hand.
Please don't get your news from Social Media. Find journalistic institutions that you can assess as credible, and get your news that way.
The other way lies doomscrolling and conspiracy theories.
Exactly, she said one thing, did the opposite. Btw i think i seen the that tweet from OP few months ago, so we already know.
We do not deserve Greta
Kind of weird given that last week she was just supporting Ukraine. I'm confused right now. Like, Wagner coup level confused.
Wdym, there are plenty of ultras that hate Russia and also capitalism in general
Ok, I guess that makes a bit more sense. I remember everyone called her a lib though. I even wrote it into my fanfic, better change it to something else...
Also can you guys explain this to me? https://lemmy.ml/post/1181911(it's a lemmy link but it's from lemmygrad)
I’m sure I’m in for a fun ride with this question, but what’s wrong with supporting Ukraine?
Like as opposed to what, Russia?
nazis. also USA.
Oh yes the nazis, classic. Ok just wondering if you people actually had something to say.
You're talking about it as if it's not true.
You’re right, I am.
The new Ukraine government was put into power by NATO, which has been expanding towards Russia. The whole war is a proxy! There would've been white peace long ago if NATO hadn't continuously forced Ukraine to war. And how do you deny all those nazi symbols Ukrainian soldiers have been seen wearing?
White peace when? After the first time Russia invaded and took Crimea? Whose to say tomorrow they wouldn’t want more? If Ukraine felt the need to join NATO, it’s because of the imperialistic threat from Russia.
And there are nazis all over these days in case you didn’t notice. I’m sure those cities Russia destroyed were all just full of real Nazis!
Because you say so? Because nato has a history of invading their neighbors?
Oh wait no that’s Russia
Takes one to know one I guess. I won’t defend nayo actions in iraq but Russia engages in terrorist and criminal actions on a global scale. I don’t blame any country seeking defensive support against such a neighbor.
More of this nazi bullshit. First it was “some soldiers with insignia”, now it’s being run by them?
You’re the real nazi.
See how I can just say anything without evidence to back it up? It’s so easy!
“The military” is not, and azov was a private group that they have integrated into their military due to the existential crisis of being invaded by Russia.
Many countries have a problem now with far right extremists. Why don’t you tell me about Rusich group? Russia has their own Nazi problems, maybe we should invade them?
No defense for Russian Nazis? I guess you agree Russia should be invaded and cleansed too.
I already told you about rusich group. And yes they’re funded by Russia.
But if your argument is that Russia should destroy Ukraine wouldn't it be extremely relevant to examine the Russian military and their ties to Nazi groups? If, like you say, Ukraine hiring a Nazi paramilitary group makes the entire Ukrainian government Nazis then we should make sure they aren't taken over by a government who did the exact same thing.
It’s ok I know you had no defense for it. Keep trying troll.
Go join the Russian army, I hear they treat you super nice
Nothing wrong with supporting Ukraine when it comes to the war itself, but supporting Zelinski beyond that is a bad look since he's displayed significant authoritarian tendencies with actions democratic countries would normally condemn, such as instituting mandatory military service for all men without any exceptions, banning opposition parties under false pretenses and possibly prolonging the war in favor of a costly (not least in terms of human lives) and probably impossible to achieve aim of decisive victory rather than negotiated peace.
Add to that the fact that the NATO presently in a symbiotic propaganda relationship with Zelinski isn't the automatically correct peacekeeping force that it has mostly been portrayed as in Western media, but rather an enforcer of military and economic imperialism that bear some (but of course not the majority, nobody forced Putin to invade) of the blame for starting the war as their broken promises to not expand east was part of the reason why the christofascist dictator wrongly decided that an invasion was justified if not downright necessary.
There's your explanation why having an amicable meeting with Zelinski doesn't gel with being left wing and anticapitalist. It'll probably be hated by most for not painting either side as pure as the driven snow and automatically correct about everything, but that's just how it is 🤷
“But muh precious way of life. Fuck this dumb eco bitch”. Said an all life wage slave while finishing his only 5min brake from working retail.
Yeah it's the same goal
All I can say is fight power wherever it is. Capitalism, what have you, anything run by shitty, self serving people. Evolve or bust. I'm thinking we're more of a bust, but you never know (;
What can I say. Seems like a clever girl with internally consistent views if she got there from ecology. Who knows, maybe she'll even stop supporting Ukraine at some point!
If she isn't a media project.
overthrow capitalism
supports empire's military adventures
internally consistent
hmmm
All I'm saying is that every consistent [insertideologyname] eventually gets to the root of the problem and this is not bad for a 20y.o. who was not only raised in lib consensus, but also got dragged through it's media machine from childhood.
And, again, that is if she's genuine at all. There is more pressing shit for me to pay attention to in Russia, than European Greens, so I'm not very up to date on her escapades.
as far as I can tell she's firmly ensconced in the shitlib territory.. she speaks out of both sides of her mouth so easily as they're wont to do
She should start with reddit
Reddit is already doing an excellent job overthrowing itself.
Yes, why are we still paying any attention to this autist?
With all due respect, what the hell is wrong with you?
It sucks that Greta gets so much attention. The right uses her as a kind of straw man of climate change. She's so dislikable.
What makes her dislikable?
She's everything conservatives are not - young, intelligent, educated and principled.
Imagine your average facebook-posting climate-denier. Do you think Greta is the right messenger to reach them ?
Far-right herself? Nah, not really, but still sad she is a standard neo-lib with reactionary tendencies.
This is exactly what I mean. Merely mention her name and everyone starts frothing at the mouth. Her message is completely lost.
Nah, the only ones frothing at the mouth are Greta and her autist followers.
You must really love the uber-dictator Putler.
I didn't say I was against it being taught. I just want balance with other things. You can't just teach the Howard Zinn version of history and get away with it.
I'm not saying that I dislike her.
In fact after the small dick energy thing she will always have a special place in my heart.
I'm saying, if you were to choose an ambassador for the climate change movement who will reach and influence climate change laggards... Greta is a very poor choice.
In fact I'd go as far as to say she only gets so much media attention precisely because she generates so much hatred from conservatives.
I don't think any climate activist could get a message like that into their thick skulls. Props to her for trying though.