Elon Musk Urges Mr Beast to Post Videos on Twitter for Equal Earnings
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Public begging? How embarrassing
Desperate times call for desperate measures
Yes, it's so cringe. Honestly, he is like a child. Especially that this is all done publicly.
He is getting exactly what he wants everyone is talking about him, why do I want to be reminded everyday about how he is?
Don't worry Zuck will follow suit. And if you make content and it does bring in revenue to you, why not leach extra money out of the 3 biggest tax dodgers!
Its not so embarrassing if you need it. But when you're one of the wealthiest people on the planet and literally begging, that's seriously embarrassing.
plz :(
-Elon Musk
I didn’t realize anyone earned anything on Twitter ever. Is this just video views? Is this new?
Also, fuck Musk, etc.
I think it's new, he decided to add it to attract Tucker Carlson. I don't know who would watch a whole 20 minute video on their phone though.
Almost everyone
On the twitter player? lord have mercy.
No, I meant on YouTube. Most people watch long videos on their mobile devices just fine.
I would. Not on Twitter though because their video player sucks
Who doesn't?
I just don't see the reason to do it.
If I have time to watch a 20min video it's because I'm at home doing nothing and home is where my TV and computers are. If the only thing I have is my phone that means I'm out doing something, so I don't have time to watch a 20min video.
My child will watch a 20-minute video on any device capable of displaying it.
Many people watch Netflix on their phones, somehow
I'm one of them and my main reason is because Netflix mobile is free
So is piracy 👉⚫️👄👁👉
Oh wait really? What?
I sometimes watch long YouTube videos on my phone while in my living room, where my huge screen also is. Don’t ask me why, but I like it.
Either that or you're commuting in a country with good signal coverage, for instance. I live in a hilly region in Europe, so streaming while commuting is difficult because of tunnels, but it can be done.
Good thing your personal experiences are the only possible way to live. For a second there we were dangerously close to self awareness!
Good thing I said """I""" don't see the reason to do it, as in this is my use case for me personally . For a second there I was dangerously far from saying "No one should ever"
I dont own a cellphone so me I guess.
My wife will binge watch TV shows on her phone. Ones with epic views like The Expanse. I don't get it but she's fine with it.
Will i watch videos on my phone rather than my computer? no
will i watch videos on my phone rather than staring into the distance and feeling the state of the world slowly and agonizingly send me into a spiral of depression and anxiety?
Yeah.
Then you proceed to watch memes on discord and ClimateTown
Mmm... ClimateTown
I have a friend who watches entire movies on his phone. It appalls me, but a lot of people do it.
This comes to mind https://youtu.be/wKiIroiCvZ0
Meh, I've got a 4k phone with Dolby atmos. I'm fine watching a movie on it. As a technophile and audiophile, it's hitting everything it needs to hit for me. I do prefer to watch in my VR headset overall, but VR headsets are still only up to the equivalent of 1080p at a comfortable field of view. Still pretty good, but the main upside for VR is perfect 3D, I'm one of the weirdos that likes 3D.
But, I do get that at the time of this recording, he had a 4-6 inch diagonal phone with a single tinny speaker and 576p screen in mind, and that would indeed not be a great way to watch a movie. Though if people like it, no real reason to be snobby to them about it, they just don't care about the same thing he does/we do.
I would if i was on a train. I don't know if I would do it with Twitter's video player though...
I don’t know who would watch a whole 20 minute video on their phone though.
In some countries, a phone as a daily computer for everything is much more popular than actual computers.
On Twitter? God no. But elsewhere people would be more likely to watch long form content on their phones than you’d think
On Twitter? God no. But elsewhere people would be more likely to watch long form content on their phones than you’d think
How is he going to be able to handle more videos when he has to ration text views because it's melting his servers.
He's always been desperate for attention, but now the public sentiment has finally turned against him everything he does just looks sad.
Oh and his memes were always stale AF.
Elon just wants everyone to think he's funny and smart.
Unfortunately he's so determined to be constantly visibly online it's completely shattered that illusion.
He's just not funny.
A lot of comedy comes from situational absurdity of unexpected actions, and there is nothing that kills the joke faster than to realize that they are not pretending. It was funny at first when a boomer (Ok, elder Gen X) billionaire started posting bad middle school humor on Twitter, it immediately stopped being funny when it turns out his real maturity level never got past middle school.
Which is also why Trump is such a black hole for comedy, you just can't make fun of him, because any absurd and ridiculous thing you can think of him doing, you would expect him to actually do it.
Which is also why Trump is such a black hole for comedy, you just can’t make fun of him, because any absurd and ridiculous thing you can think of him doing, you would expect him to actually do it.
If a sketch comedy group ever does another Trump sketch, I think the best one would be to make him seem like Sherlock Holmes behind closed doors. I mean a posh English accent, a big and sophisticated vocabulary, and an obviously sharp mind. Then have him leave the room to do a press conference and put on the idiot persona, then come back and back to his "true" self.
I think that's the only thing that would be absurd and ridiculous: he's actually very smart and sophisticated, not just a buffoon.
Oh and his memes were always stale AF.
Brutal. Just twist the knife why don't you?
Two people in this world that you should never get an IOU from: Trump and Musk.
They just don't pay their bills. It's not worth the effort.
With what money, Elon? You can't afford to pay Google or office rent but you're going to pay Mr. Beast?
He’s perfectly capable of paying both. He doesn’t want to, and because he’s rich, he doesn’t have to. There is a reason billionaires end up with so much money, and fairly compensating other parties isn’t it.
In fact, unfairly compensating other parties literally is it.
They don't have to rip other people off, they just choose to. I had a girlfriend whose family was quite wealthy... she loved shopping at the dollar store, and her mother acted overwhelmed with glee when she found a dozen past-date eggs for .65 at the grocery store. Is that how they became wealthy? Fuck no, they inherited a hotel.
Mr Beast will always have money if he does it though, even if he loses all his other money he'll still have an unpaid debt from Pissbaby Musk.
pisskidney
A company notorious for revenue problems and missing bill payments is definitely who I would want to enter a business relationship with. Where do I sign up?
And run by a guy notorious for not paying his bills
It's just like lawyers being recruited to work for Trump
Exactly. Unless they can negotiate a better wage that will hold up against a lawsuit, it is equivalent to a modern scam.
Every time Elon begs for money, I donate to my Mastodon or Lemmy admins.
You should be really wealthy, my friend.
Not for long, it seems. With all that donating.
Absolute Chad Move
Except he doesn't seem to be begging for money here. He's looking to give more away
He’s begging for traffic, which equates to money for his ad sales. It is pretty pathetic.
He's looking for attention basically.
"give more away"
What
I mean he would be paying Mr beast
Ad revenue would pay Mr.Beast. And he's not even sure it's competitive with YouTube.
You understand that what content creators get paid by the platform is never anywhere near what the platform gets paid by the advertisers...right?
Using completely made up numbers, if Mr Beast is paid $1 by Youtube for every thousand views, YouTube may be getting paid $6 or $7 by advertisers.
Otherwise the monetization would never work.
Musk doesn't have the funds or the revenue from Twitter to be able to compete with that.
LoL. Do you think he loses money when someone posts on his website?
Richest man in the world begging for pennies.
Yeah and his best offer is I promise I'll pay you what you're already being paid...
Not even. He's offering similar compensation per view. There's no way Twitter is getting the number of views YouTube is. Especially with all the games he's playing lately, like putting the whole site behind a registration wall
Lol yeah you're 100% right, I didn't even think of that
Users probably cant even watch the video bc of tweet read restrictions.
How can MrBeast post a 10-minute video on Twitter? Should he make a thread for a video? 😆 😆
He can post a 10 second video containing a QR code to his YouTube full length video
Blue subs can upload videos up to 2hrs in length
And have it buffer at 144p for half that duration
I don't get why Twitter didn't try to make a Youtube-like video platform before? I wonder if it's because venture capital has caused brain rot in the executive teams at these tech companies? It seems obvious to launch something like that, and they 100% have (had) the talent and infrastructure to build and support it. Even if it isn't massively successful on day one, it could be successful in the future with a strong marketing effort.
If I didn't know that these companies were run by incompetent idiots, my first suspicion would be some kind of collusion. Trying to do it now that Twitter is a sinking ship is laughable.
They didn’t have anywhere close to the infrastructure to compete with YouTube
Based off earnings from before Twitter was purchased, they were making less money than Snapchat - and Snapchat is having to close down gfycat due to the cost of serving gifs - much less having the main focus be long form videos
If he just brought over a few really big creators, he wouldn't need all of YouTube's infrastructure.
OTOH, even just a tiny fraction of YouTube's infrastructure is massive compared to what Twitter does with video. It's like someone suggest that a newspaper start using his home printer instead of their printing presses.
That doesn't really matter, unless you expect the video feature to be unprofitable. With ~300m or whatever active users, it would not be hard to raise money if they need it to launch a major product like that.
There’s 0 chance it would be profitable. They probably could have built it with a lot of external funding, but it would probably never have become profitable
Google is still trying to figure out how to make YouTube profitable
I completely disagree. If anything, Google having difficulties with profitability is an opportunity for a competitor to beat them (although I don't think youtube is unprofitable).
Can something like this under Twitter management (current or previous) succeed? Probably not. But could a team of smart people with access to 300 million users build a video streaming platform that's profitable? Hell yes, and the only major concern would be anti-competitive bs from Google, but the FTC has been paying more attention to that kind of stuff recently.
But could a team of smart people with access to 300 million users build a video streaming platform that’s profitable?
How big of a team are we talking about?
A small team, no.
First there's compliance with copyright laws to consider, All the false accusations that go along with it. You gonna need some lawyers and support people to handle these issues.
Moderation is significantly more challenging too. It's significantly harder to detect things like copy right violations, child porn, etc, when it's in video forma than in text form.
Then you need staff to manage the clients. And by clients I mean the advertisers. So there's going to have weird demands like "no swearing in the first 15 seconds of the video" or whatever. And so you have to manage the rollout of weird features like that. Which ideally would include tools so the content creators can remain in compliance with the weird demands of the advertisers.
Then there's the bandwidth considerations. It takes way more resources to serve up video to 300 million users than it is to serve up text.
Sure many times Youtube sucks at these things right but these are things that need to be done and doing them right is going to require a larger staff than YouTube has.
If they start with a subscription only model, yeah, they could make one that’s profitable.
Will 300 million people agree to paying a monthly subscription…. Questionable
Doesn't Elon hate trans people or whatever?
He's a right-wing billionaire, hating everybody but himself comes with the territory.
He has a trans daughter who disowned him. I don't know why, but you can probably guess.
"He" being Elon, I believe, not Mr Beast.
I could be wrong about Mr Beast, however. But Elon def has a trans kid and this is the source of his bigotry.
He likely hates them because his daughter is trans and completely wrote him off. She changed her name wanting to have no association to her father.
Soon after this he started increasing his anti trans shit.
Also, his ex Grimes is/was dating a trans person, Chelsea Manning.
Not sure if he hates anything but it does look like he looks at most people as lesser beings.
For those wanting to save a click:
“Chris isn’t my ‘nightmare,’” he (Mr Beast) went on. He wrote that Tyson is “my f**ken friend and things are fine. All this transphobia is starting to piss me off.”
Man it'd be great if he told Elon something like "sure, once transphobia is banned on here and you personally apologize for your transphobic language and promote trans rights".
I don't think he'd get a response lmao
I didn't realise Mr. Beast was trans
Chris from Mr. Beast is non-binary.
Link from below:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/15/entertainment/mr-beast-transphobia-chris-tyson-trnd/index.html
Funny how the one bigotry designed and advertised for women ends up being coopted by shouty men.
Pretty sure Mr Beast is a company, not a person. I mean, we know who he is, but like, he isn't the guy managing millions of dollars.
Pretty sure they are a well oiled machine, still making ridiculous amount of money.
Asking them to come to your platform publicly like that would be like BC college asking the Red Sox to play a few games on their turf for funzies.
They wouldn't show up without a down payment equal to what they pull down on an average night at home.
Are you bill Simmons? This is a great analogy to Boston sports and the only person I know who can do that is Bill Simmons. But I guess that's because I live in Florida lol
I mean, the Sox do play a double header with BC and Northeastern every spring training, so you could see the theoretical game in Florida if you wanted
Fuck Musk. He should do us all a favour and go suck on the tail end of one of “his” rockets.
All the jokes aside, it's still amazing the CEO over a year in doesn't even know how profitable being an user that drives engagement on the site is compared to a (I guess) competitor like youtube. He's just like we're as profitable as youtube for you, or if not we can be, like the guy knows nothing and is just throwing claims out there with no basis in reality or plan to follow through on them.
over a year in
The deal closed at the end of October. He's also appointed a new CEO, so while he owns, the title isn't with him. He's still in charge, though. Still an asshole, too.
This looks so desperate
Interesting that he would try to use the potential number of views as a selling point while also publicly decimating the reach of Twitter posts lol
Views are just a number in a database.
He just wants popular and already famous people on his platform. He doesn't understand that a well designed platform will surface that content for the people that want it. Instead he wants to jump straight to things that are already popular and then force everyone to see those things. It's completely backwards.
Not sure elon could afford the cloud bills if mrbeast actually did that
Has he started paying them yet?
Last I heard, the new CEO talked him into not getting cut off by Google: Reuters
Shouldn't Mr. Musk pay his server bills first?
No one would watch videos in GARBAGEp resolution when 1080p is right behind a corner on YT
I deliberately lower streaming quality on everything I watch. If the thing is really worth it I might watch it in 720p. Everything else goes in 480p.
The push for 4k is a level of consumerism I'm not comfortable with, having the world going to shit as fast as it's going.
Why do you lower resolution below 1080p? Does your screen not support it or connection bandwidth?
I use only 1080p because my phone screen and pc monitor support it and my eyes still percive difference between 720p and 1080p
I do it too. I do it because our internet sucks and bandwidth is precious. 4k makes everything stutter. Especially if you have more than one thing in the house streaming at once.
That is a technical reason I can agree with.
Dumbing down 4k 'just because' is stupid still.
I do it too because, although I have great bandwidth, 4k on YouTube (specifically) usually stutters for me and I’d rather just watch something unimpeded at a lower resolution. Not that fussed about resolution on a YouTube vid.
I watch everything in 480p just because my internet is crap.
I perceived my 32mbps wifi as minimal requieement in 2012 -_-
Great. Try 32mbps in 2023, with 3-5+ people streaming off it, and/or gaming on it, at once.
Fuck 32mbps, try 16mbps
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Low quality gang rise up!
Mostly 360p myself, varying depending on how much internet is available and whether or not I gotta read text in the video
Even I don't get where you're coming from and I won't replace the 720p TV in my bedroom because I don't want to deal with some smart TV crap and the resolution is fine because it's a small TV.
But intentionally not watch it at low resolution because fuck society? Makes no sense to me.
Owning capitalists by giving them the same amount of money for worse service on purpose.
"consumerism"? My dude, it's pre produced video files. With hardware acceleration it takes barely any real processing power to play back 4k video.
You are not changing anything or making any difference in whether the world is "going to shit". The Internet bandwidth you're getting is being artificially choked by your ISP...always.
It feels like you think it's some kind of moral victory and wanted to take some kind of arbitrary stand against "consumerism" and landed here.
Unless you actually have bandwidth limitations or don't have a screen capable of displaying the content, lowering to DVD quality is achieving nothing at all.
I don't really care for 4K. The diminishing returns isn't worth it, and it's really turning into a bandwidth problem for the major players that offer it for free.
But, I can't get behind 480p. That shit is garbage resolution, especially on a TV or computer.
4K, 8K, 1,293K is overrated gimmicks to me. I want to see actual improvements, not just how big the resolution can get and how much detail. The last thing that wow'ed me like that were movie theater screens. I'm not really that impressed with it. Also 60FPS shows and things are so off-putting!
I'll be honest I'm with you on the world going to shit and all that but I can't use 1080p after 4k it feels like blurry vision. I don't know how you don't see it as a significant improvement.
8k+ I don't see any difference to 4k though, not at 20-30inch screen sizes anyway.
It just depends on the content. I have a 4K 65" TV that is at the upper end of mid-range in quality and 4K is definitely a noticeable improvement over 1080p in most instances, but a lot of the time it's only noticeable if you're specifically looking for it and doesn't actually improve the viewing experience all that much. I do think it's worth the upgrade though, just for the instances where it really does have a positive effect. Like, watching the Hong Kong fight scene in Pacific Rim on a good quality 4K display is just an entirely different experience than it is on a good 1080p display.
Similar mindset has been ruining video games lately. "You can see every pimple and bead of sweat on their face!" Cool, how does it run on a budget PC? "...just look at that hair! If you squint it doesn't look like steel wool at all!"
Got a 4k screen on my laptop, yeah honestly not worth it at all. Barely a difference from 1080p, and yet requires significantly more resources to use. Unless you have a massive display, really not worth it at all.
Ditto. I even have an add-in that forces it to 480 unless I explicitly select something else. I like to use my bandwidth for more important things than counting pimples on an "influencer's" forehead.
And I like to use my time for more important things than counting pimples on an “influencer’s” forehead
Seriously...what a weird take. High resolution video is simply just nicer to watch, these guys are going a very strange direction with it.
High resolution video is nicer to watch when:
- The content is worthy of it. (So, you know, not some talking head sitting at a desk like your average Youtuber.)
- You have so much free bandwidth that spending an order of magnitude more to get a marginal visible increase in quality is worth it to you.
480p hits a decent balance for me in most cases. It makes the people in the video recognizable (like, say, the presenter in a news/comedy/pop science/whatever vlog), and most text in such a video will be readable. Sometimes when there's a lot of diagrams or when the pictures need clarity I'll boost it to 720p, but using up over double the bandwidth is just not worth it most times. I have more important things to do with that bandwidth.
For a movie with a lot of rich detail, etc, 1080p is even nicer. It might even be worth the five times the bandwidth to get to it. But here's where diminishing returns starts to kick in. 1080p is five times the bandwidth, but only a bit over twice the linear resolution. It had better be a really important doubling of resolution.
4K streaming? That's laughable. Yes it's over 4 times as high in linear resolution, but it's over TWENTY times as high in bandwidth. I could literally watch 20 simultaneous 480p streams (or 4 simultaneous 1080p streams at a paltry 2× improvement in linear resolution) for a single 4K stream.
And that's just bandwidth. Processing costs are on a similar order of magnitude. I have a computer at home that outpowers all the supercomputers that were on the planet put together when I was a child. Playing a single 4K movie sucks up most of its processing power. Again, I have better things to spend my CPU time (and/or electricity bill) on than watching some presenter's pimples on screen in fine detail.
The content is worthy of it. (So, you know, not some talking head sitting at a desk like your average Youtuber.)
That's the most important thing. The last two things I watched in 4K on my TV were the Avatar sequel and Community. One of those is absolutely a different experience in 4K than it is in 1080p, and the other may as well be in 720p for all the difference it makes.
I'm talking about Community, obviously. Joel McHale is dreamy and deserves 8K at minimum.
If you have more important things to do, why not just NOT watch them in the first place?
Even billionaires are begging MrBeast for shit now, lmao.
Wish Twitter would just stop existing already. Why do people acknowledge the shitty owner of the site at all? Just keep this scum out the news. Easy.
Top bad Twitter's video player is very bad, and Twitter's but rate is very noticably worse than YouTube.
Also I don't watch Mr beast so I don't give a shit in the first place.
Lmao elon is so thirsty, it’s hilarious
His new CEO is desperate as well.
“We’ll pay you!” - Guy famous for not paying Twitter bills
Nobody's going to watch long form videos on Twitter as long as YouTube exists
Big 14 year old begging game dev to port gta to switch energy
Please I'll buy 2 copies so my sister and I can play together
IKR????
It's embarrassing for him to advertise his companies video platform?
It is when you're publicly begging on said platform. The correct thing to do would have been to reach out over DM or even better, reach out to the production team that runs Mr Beast's channel and begin conversations.
You know, like any other serious company might do.
The only reason he did this publicly is for the attention.
He replaced his pr team with a poop emoji. He can't do it properly even if he wanted to.
The only reason he did this publicly is for the attention.
Yes. That's the whole point of twitter haha
That's the point of Twitter for users..."haha".
The people running Twitter should act like professionals. If I was Mr Beast, I sure as hell would not even reply to such a tweet.
The people running Twitter should act like professionals.
Once we have presidential candidates that can act professional, I'll hold some twitter guy to that standard.
Oh I see.
I guess I'll wait with baited breath for when you're ready to hold people to that standard. I suppose until then you won't understand why this is just embarrassing for Musk.
I suppose until then you won’t understand why this is just embarrassing for Musk.
I think Musk is fine if some lemmy migrants from reddit think that he's embarrassing for tweeting at big streamers about twitters video platform.
Twitter video is notoriously shit. Uploading results in unintended trimming of the end and sharing such a video has "mixed success" being shared to other platforms. Also, does he guarantee the same pay out as youtube? his views are significantly worth less than a view on youtube for him. Think he basically counts what youtube counts as an "impression" as a view. That's huge when most youtubers of Jimmy's size get a CTR of like 10% ... so thats people who click in to view after an impression. So if the followers were the same size and such Jimmy would 10x the ad revenue moving to twitter.
That wreaks of bullshit. Now if you're being charitable you'd say oh well he probably meant this or that... but thats the problem. Now we have to interpret something that was said with assertive authority. So this is "embarrassing" cause its Elon basically begging for more content on his platform that he can barely serve to his users (limited posts) to try justify a Blue purchase to potentially slow the bleeding. And thats transparently so, but he phrased it like it'd be in Jimmy's interest which most people are just seeing through.
Just so you are aware, it’s “reeks” of bullshit, not “wreaks”.
Ah, good catch. Thank you.
Damn, I thought I was on r/funny for a second then I remembered reddit didn't exist
fuck elon
Please clap
I get why people are doubtful about Musk. I just wanna see YouTube's monopoly broken and streamers/entertainers get their due. I do not like how YouTube treats content creators. Maybe a competitive alternative is a good thing.
Twitter ran by musk is unlikely to be our savior
Any competition is good competition. If he offers competitive earnings to youtube, youtube is pressured to improve their product or pay for views.
I see someone was hypnotised by penguinz0
Srsly though end these hollow phrases.
Competition is not always good. Competition between wage labour drives down wages, competition between countries for capital drives down taxes for the rich. Half of all competition is a thing called "a race to the bottom"
WRT social media networks competition is first and foremost pretty dumb, there is no use for thousands of social networks with 10 users each. A single social medium that is participatory and has regulating mechanisms is way more beneficial (you're using one that tries to live up to that btw)
Whatever little good comes out of the competition between two asshole oligarchs is more than made up be them keeping dominance over peoples means of communication and their attention and selling every datapoint to
Honestly we have to reflect on the propaganda we're told in school and don't just repeat empty phrases.
Just a couple minutes ago I saw the phrase "where there is demand there will be supply" applied to pirates that crack games who are obviously not paid.
There is lots of demand without supply. Peoples starvation is not met by demand, but the demand for facelifts and botox will always be supplied. Bc supply is only created where capital is willing to pay for it
Competition is not always good.
So you think video streaming services should be in a monopoly?
You think that will be the best for the consumer and content creators?
I disagree.
Isn't Youtube doing that already? I see way more ads nowadays than I used to, when I'm not using ublock origin (yay non-Android smart tv). Also blocking users with adblockers, etc.
Competition is not always good.
So you think video streaming services should be in a monopoly?
You think that will be the best for the consumer and content creators?
I disagree.
Hey just fyi, you responded to the wrong comment :)
haha new to lemmy, thanks!
Given that Twitter's already relatively tiny user base is dwindling, the platform is now account-walled, and Musk is a notorious liar, I doubt any prominent creators are going to even consider cross-posting to Twitter.
A competitive alternative would be great, but Twitter isn't going to be it.
Yeah, definitely isn't going to be Twitter.
Musk is too stupid for that.
Twitter's already relatively tiny user base
Twitter's MAU count is around 450 million active users. You're not going to find many bigger user bases.
Where did you get that number from? Best I’ve seen is ~350M and dropping. For reference, Pinterest is ~465M.
Twitter had an outsized impact but it’s not at FB or Insta or Youtube numbers, and it’s already struggling to keep working under the load of mostly text and static images.
Here’s one that puts it at 550mil MAU:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-networks-ranked-by-number-of-users/
Is it as big as YouTube or Facebook or Instagram? No. It’s still one of the biggest user bases on the internet though.
Also how has twitter been struggling to keep working?
Interesting. Looking into the sources that Statista uses, you find this graph that paints a very different picture.
Also how has twitter been struggling to keep working?
Did you not hear about all the limiting they had in place recently? 600 or 1000 posts viewable per day for non-paying users, 6000 for paying users. I know the official reason given was to (somehow) limit data scraping, but come on, we all know that's bullshit. And outside of that, there have been a bunch of issues with outages, basic things like search breaking, etc. It's a platform in decline.
That graph literally says "significant anomalies in source data", so they're even saying that it's not an accurate picture though.
Rate limiting isn't "struggling to keep working". It isn't like it was crashing due to people using it too much. Saying "we know their reason is bullshit" doesn't make it true. Nothing indicated that they were having trouble with uptime or performance.
Yes, it says there are anomalies—that doesn't mean it's wrong, just that it's unusual. Almost like there was a moron in charge of the company who was making erratic changes to its infrastructure and driving a mass exodus of users. And even if that number is wrong (it probably is) it's not like the previous number isn't heavily outdated. There have been massive changes to Twitter since then, it would be stupid to assume old data is still accurate.
It was crashing in part because Twitter was DDOSing itself. Twitter rate-limited itself on purpose because they were fucking their own system up, but they gave a BS reason because it would be embarrassing for Musk to have to admit he fired too many people and the skeleton crew that's left can't keep up with his stupid decisions.
Remember, this is a website that primarily serves short text-only posts and was largely stable when it was bought. It's not rocket science, and yet Musk's still managing to make it look hard.
I didn't say it means it's wrong, just that it's not going to be an accurate picture. It might be right, it might be wrong, we have no idea - which is why they put that qualifier there.
There's nothing indicating twitter isn't still largely stable.
Also that's not a DDOS since there was no denial of service. Those calls are likely all just getting stopped at a cloudflare (or alternative) level anyway.
There was no denial of service because they rate limited accounts. That’s the entire point. Had they not done that, it’s likely they would have overwhelmed their servers and crashed the service, resulting in denial of service.
But no one knows when that repeated call was added to twitter - it could have been there for years. Like I said, it also likely just gets caught by cloudflare etc when it's doing that, meaning it's not going to overwhelm anything.
You're saying that they did a release, realised it was going to DDOS itself, so then rate limited accounts in another release rather than simply roll back the broken release or fix the call? That doesn't make any sense.
They didn’t realise it was going to DDOS itself, it was in the process of hammering their servers and they rate limited accounts because they didn’t know what was happening. It was still making excessive calls when they were rate limiting.
It makes no sense because the things they’re doing aren’t the actions of a competent team with a knowledgeable tech lead.
I think I’ve made my point pretty clear by now. If you’d still like to believe they’re not useless, go for gold, but the facts doesn’t support that.
That’s 100% guessing based on nothing more than your wild speculation. You have no facts to support it.
I mean, neither do you. This is all speculation since it’s a private company run by a known liar.
I’m not the one making claims, you are. You’ve got nothing to support those claims.
As a developer myself I’m 99.9% sure what you’re claiming didn’t happen because it makes no sense from a dev standpoint.
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Twitter is not account-walled. Have you been keeping up with the news?
I just tried it. Twitter won't let me view pages without an account. What do you mean exactly?
It hasn't been making headlines this time (they're only talking about Threads and the jet tracker guy), but it's back to needing a login.
Oh, in that case I'm the one who hasn't been keeping up. Damn.
especially since the closest competitor rn is twitch which is an absolute shithole
As someone less familiar with twitch, what's making it a shithole?
Twitch takes 50% revenue. Youtube takes 30%. Twitch has an overly strict TOS to stay relatively kid-friendly. Twitch recently tried to limit content creators from showcasing sponsors in their own videos, but I think they backed away from that plan. Basically, it's at the fully enshittified stage at this point.
Apparently, there's a new twitch competitor, Kick, backed by an online gambling company, which I even worse. They have their content creators do gambling streams where the odds are modified to make it look like their games pay out more. And they explicitly promote bigots and fascists on their platform.
Twitch is overly hostile with its own subscriber base and doesn't pay nearly as much as YouTube. {Recent business decisions](https://digiday.com/marketing/how-twitch-lost-its-grip-on-and-way-with-the-streaming-community/) are really causing it to bleed streamers to other platforms, mostly YouTube.
elon musk purchased it and laid off a ton of staff over time, leading twitter to be very poorly moderated and also have many technical glitches after that
edit: oops I'm an idiot. I thought that said twitter.
Twitch is owned by Amazon, Twitter is owned by Musk.
Thanks. I misread that comment. I appreciate the clarification.
It would take a lot to beat YouTube though, and honestly I'm not sure it can be done given the extreme cost and general lack of revenue.
What fucking wild times we live in. This whole Elon vs Zuck thing about copyright. And how I see more people want Zuck to win. And now, we've got Musk trying to go after YouTube.
It's a mess.
I in no way want Musk to win. I just think the whole series of events is wild
Yup, Elon is such an ass that I'm cheering for Mark Zuckerberg of all people. What crazy times we live in
When people are rooting for the Zuck instead of for you, that's when you know that you've fucked up beyond any doubt.
I feel like bezos should jump into this to increase the drama level.
Actually. What has he even done recently? Other than, ya know, bring part of THAT group. Isn't he just doing rockets or something? I haven't heard about him for a while.
The last two things I remember were him getting legally divorced and then popping champagne as William Shatner was trying to talk.
I never thought I'd see people rushing to and championing and saying how much they love a new Zuckerberg owned platform like they have with threads lol. Everyone's always saying they want facebook to die, and how they won't use anything with a facebook account, and so on...........and then bam, 100 million users in a few days lol
They got users by signing people up automatically.
Tired of hearing about Threads, Zuckerberg, and Elon, can we talk about something else on Lemmy or what.
It's just one of those things. It'd big news, so people will talk about it. It'll die down.
Do the patreon and microtransactions models actually work for creators these days, are they good alternatives to yt?
Even if Mr beast posted his videos on Twitter I doubt it would make a difference. Why would people come to Twitter just to watch his vids?
They wouldn't go there for the videos. The videos would be watched by the people already on twitter and scrolling through trending, then presumably some would follow and watch them in their regular feed. I rarely use twitter but I like the idea of hearing how the payment he's promising pans out given all of twitter's unpaid bills lately.
Yeah did you notice "should be"
Not "we match" or even "we beat" lol
"Should be" is the phrase of the lazy
The lazy and the intentionally evasive.
“Should be” is the phrase of the lazy
If I've learned anything from writing documents for the government, it's that any sentence that contains "should be" is better off changed to "shall be", or removed entirely.
How reassuring, "should".
Full self driving next year™
You better buy now before we stop selling cars because of all the revenue they'll be making as an automated taxi. But if you buy now you can make money too. It's not capricious spending, it's an investment.
Also he's very concerned about AI while trying to replace every taxi driver with it.
His only concern is that he needs time to catch up - hence the 6 month request.
he's already begging
putting earnings equal to youtube... lol
i mean sure, it sounds great
but... their site is utter shit, if you use it as a video-consumption media...
Elone will surely pay content creators. He just doesn't like to pay anyone else.
Chief Advertising Officer
One could ask them: „How come you're not posting on our platform? Can we improve anything?”
Or you can go the Elon Musk way.
Is it PR/purely for publicity? Is it a spontaneous thought posted as a Tweet? Is it an offer with public visibility for increased impact? Is it underhanded trying to get more publishers to join the platform? Is it desperate try to get them or anyone as a publisher? It's certainly ambiguous and unprofessional. But that's nothing new.
Does Twitter even host video?
Apparently Tucker Carlson's new show is (or was. I'm not sure whether he took it down due to Faux News suing him for breaking his non-compete clause after they fired him) there, so I guess it must? 🤷
Still is. And his audience (which includes people just scrolling past because of Twitter's bullshit metrics) drops with every new video.
Tucker Carlson steadily becoming more and more obscure on a platform incompetently tailored for shitheads exactly like him and his audience is fucking delicious! 😂
What? Mostly kids watch him but theres no reason to believe its fake.
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What do you mean by mr.beast is fake?
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can i haz some eyeballs uwu
- the wealthiest man on the planet
Very pathetic Elon. It will not make any sense to the man who build an empire on YouTube to post videos on Twitter or any other social media. It's not about the money, it's about braniding. Mr Beast is a Youtube icon. And it would not be a suprise I'd they have some contracts with YouTube.
If Elon wants to compete he needs to focus on new talents who use Twitter as their main and only plataform, similar to what Twitch does. Probably he should give Vines a second chance. I think it was Twitter error to close it. Now shorts and streaming are on demand.
Trying to steal other platforms talents is just nonsense.
Eww...the smell of desperation.
Who are these people?
144p MrBeast
Well, it looks like a W for Zuck, I just hope it's not doom for the Fediverse, somehow. I don't really care if the Twitter exodus goes elsewhere, they've already been stepping on the flowers pretty hard at Mastodon, I just don't want to be somehow annexed by Facebook.
Can Lemmy do anything besides post about Elon, Threads, Zuckerberg, and Reddit? Is it just a bunch of bots spamming the place?
I came here to avoid all that shit, not talk about it.
Can i offer you some healty...
Then kindly suggest you stop reading technology@lemmy.world. Like, duh.
I want my regular dose of Elon gossip!
Well, he Tweeted "Zuck is a cuck" last night. I wish I was joking.
Gossip, not everything. 🤌
You know, I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I really shouldn't be.
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In all honesty we need to make a seperate community for this subject.
to be fair you can subscribe/unsubscribe from communities. I often do this. If /c/news is too political, i unsub from /c/news, i can then go and find some other news community that posts interesting things that aren't as political
similarly, /c/technology@lemmy.world is not the only technology community out there, as is obvious, so we can go and find other things :) your feed is yours! own it! don't wait for others to fix it cuz you'll very often be dissatisfied.
It seems like the best way is view "all" not just local, and block shit you don't want to see as you come across.
I've gotten rid of most of the meme subs, formula 1, subs for languages I dont speak, or just any topic I don't care about.
If I see something I'm interested in, I subscribe. Eventually I'll have enough to just view subscribed, but this way I get to see what s out there
Be the change you want to see
Stop thinking about Lemmy as an open source Reddit. Dislike the content of this community? Subscribe to another community or instance. You're not forced to be here.
Then post about shit you want to talk about. Or just scroll past the ones you don't want to talk about. No one is forcing you to enter threads (ah fuck meta for making that statement ambiguous) and comment.
This is technology, and tech nowadays is overloaded by these people. You can check/create other communities for other topics.
*begs
MuskRat so desperate
What was Mr Beast's reply?
I'm hoping there wasn't one. It doesn't deserve a reply.
With a shitty video player like Twitter's, let there be views first before talking about "earnings per view".
Just hitting all the buttons.
Was this tweet removed? I can't find it.
I think the reply by musk is paying-subscriber-only; when I saw someone post about it, it said something like "only the people who have subscribed to this person can view this tweet"
I've left twitter since Musk took over, so I'm not familiar with things anymore. Paid subscribers, is that like following someone but then you need to pay to do so?
Something like that, it lets you "support" your favorite creators and gives you access to subscriber-only posts
Is that how much he's earning per video?
Those are the video view counts I believe
View counts in first X hours perhaps? Train Vs Giant Pit has 31M views, and Yacht has 152M
Substitute “Urges” to “Begs”
I don't usually watch that genre but I'd totally watch that video.
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Social media is technology, huh
Elon's living in your head for free and its hilarious.