10 days after 3rd party reddit app shutdown, Lemmy's top 10 instances combine for a thriving userbase of 234,000
2y 11mon ago by lemmy.world/u/MicroWave in fediverse
Current breakdown at the time of this post sorted by the number of monthly active users:
- lemmy.world: 101,013 total users / 27,472 active users
- lemmy.ml: 41,972 total users / 4,905 active users
- beehaw.org: 12,270 total users / 4,178 active users
- sh.itjust.works: 17,509 total users / 3,381 active users
- feddit.de: 8,675 total users / 2,935 active users
- lemm.ee: 10,348 total users / 2,751 active users
- lemmynsfw.com: 22,967 total users / 2,310 active users
- lemmy.fmhy.ml: 8,777 total users / 1,704 active users
- lemmy.ca: 5,072 total users / 1,656 active users
- programming.dev: 5,058 total users / 1,242 active users
That's pretty cool.
I'm truly not being a negative nancy but the last time I checked reddit had 400M user accounts. We should be comparing active user numbers, but either way, this is a drop in the bucket and reddit rightly does not consider Lemmy a threat to its supremacy at this point.
We're doing great though! Good trajectory.
I don't need Lemmy to compete with or kill Reddit. All I wanted was any one platform to get enough of an influx of users to be self-sustaining even after the outrage started to die down, which appears to have been successful.
Yeah as long as we have an active enough community here it doesn’t matter what goes on at reddit.
It kinda does in that when things worsen, more people come to Lemmy, but I agree that Lemmy's success doesn't depend on reddit's demise.
It should behave as a viable and threatening adversary for reddit. As long as reddit carries on doing as it does and lemmy's communities carry on building, we're winning by blocking Reddit's monopoly on mainstream forum-type social media.
I guess what I'm saying is: Lemmy won't kill reddit, reddit will kill reddit.
Yea, but that is how most large organizations fail. Just by sheer inertia they continue to exist. Digg failed because of Digg, not because of Reddit.
Exactly. I don’t want or need to build another McDonalds or Starbucks; I just want to go to the Mom and Pop down the road without worrying if they’ll tank.
Great analogy
This is exactly it
I agree. Just give me some decent posts and discussion. For niche things I can go to a big platform with all the users. For my daily browsing, I appreciate a small but active community.
That actually tracks, since lemmy is supposedly populated mostly by "older nerdy males". I mean they have a point, the quality of discussion is definitely better -- for now. That could end with an Endless September event.
I agree, reddit got too big to be fun. That said lemmy still needs to get bigger in order for communities to actually thrive.
I disagree. What made Reddit for me is that there were so many people on it, than any niche hobby had it’s own space.
Sure the main big subreddits were shit shows, but the hobby subreddits were great! Something that still isn’t a thing for Lemmy. Specialization.
I still find myself checking Reddit out for subreddits on specific niche games for example.
Like there is literally a subreddit for almost anything. Robot vacuums. Sins of a Solar Empire. Crusader kings. Fish tanks. MotoGP.
Things that probably will take a while to get running on Lemmy.
Right now Lemmy is too “general” for me to really have a feed of things I actually care about.
The 40k community is pretty solid here and growing
You're right, Reddit has a lot of established communities. But if you were going to start a new community? I think it's all downhill from here.
The niche hobby subreddits and the small games ones are still king on Reddit, in my observation.
Exactly. Well said. We have all the time in the world to grow. What we needed was a good start, and we got it. Just keep creating content, volunteer to mod somewhere, and don’t look back.
What it really needed was a good app.
It’s still glitchy though… like on memmy, if you swipe too far to downvote, and go back, the color for upvote is still the downvote color
I tried a few different apps but I settled on just using the mobile website on my phone. The interface is solid even there, which I think is a great feat.
I've only just been able to log into this account using private mode, I only just realised that emptying the cache would've worked or something - but the weird thing is my account wasn't working on mobile apps either so I didn't think to empty cache on desktop...
Sync for Lemmy can't come soon enough.
Personally I don’t care if I’m talking to millions of people vs hundreds of thousands as long as there are enough people to make it feel alive and like a community.
Exactly. I don't give a fuck about Reddit any more. I'd rather be in a niche community with (some) quality content than on some huge site with mainly reposts. We're not in competition with Reddit. Were trying to be a better alternative.
It’s a hard habit to break, because we’ve been trained to think this way for years, but try to remember: we don’t need to attract millions of users to be valuable. This isn’t a commercial enterprise. We don’t sell advertising. We don’t measure success by the number of eyeballs we can promise paying customers.
What matters now is the quality of conversation. In fact, that’s the ONLY measure of any consequence. It’s strange, because in the past, someone’s often tried to use services like this as a way to make money, or as a way to make something else they were selling more attractive. We expected it. It was always in the back of our heads. It even got to the point that if a company did something that wasn’t an effort to increase profitability, we criticized them. Generosity, real generosity, was alien to us.
It’s hard to wrap your head around the idea that people volunteer their time and money to build and maintain the fediverse, simply because they want us to be able to communicate. That’s it. There’s no hidden agenda. There’s no quest for profit at our expense.
I’m perfectly fine with the fediverse growing slowly. I don’t want it to be strained beyond what the mods can handle. Bigger isn’t necessarily better.
Coming from the non-profit world, it is never that easy. Even when there is no one officially making any money, there are people who will see it as a way to make some bank. There is also a drawback in that not making money can and will affect the amount of time people can put in unless there is a fair way to get them compensation. Volunteering also brings a huge amount of interpersonal and inter-organizational drama. That is why grassroots organizations and movements have a habit of fracturing into smaller groups.
At the same time, there is power in goodwill and being non-profit. You just really need to be careful in vetting your instance and keep an eye on issues in a way people not used to this type of world are not familiar with.
But I wouldn't be here if I didn't have a belief that it could be successful enough as a community. I also wouldn't have been working in the NGO world for the past decade if I didn't believe in that. But let's not have too rosy glasses on. Growing slowly will also give this community a chance to work out the kinks and not die in a blaze of fire.
Agreed on the need to adjust mindset. Initially I behaved similarly to how I did on that other site until I realized that Lemmy is different and that’s ok. It’s a lot smaller and federation has its advantages and drawbacks and we’ll see it in action soon enough. Many seek the comfort of the familiar and are not always finding it. Start by appreciating the hard work that has allowed many of us to transition here quite easily. Take a deep breath, look around and realize that we are now playing a different game.
Yeah. It is kind of weird at first. You and I have PRSD - Post Reddit Stress Disorder.
In the case of social network like this, bigger generally is better for the users. The thing that made Reddit great was that whatever your niece interest, there was a community of thousands of other interested people. There was so much information and advice on whatever obscure topic.
There's a reason why there's only around 10 really popular social networks and it's certainly not that those platforms are any good. The network effect is important.
I personally don't derive any value from high quality conversations about topics I don't care about. That's why I need these millions of users, so that there are people I can talk with. About topics I care about. I'm willing to go on a limb here an say that your interests and mine don't fully align.
That’s a reasonable point.
for me i'm over comparing to Reddit, I'm just looking for somewhere in a similar format but without a bunch of the issues that I can enjoy
The other thing is, how many of those 400M accounts are bots?
A fuckton. Also I created over 10 accounts over the years as I left reddit and came back. So I know that number is bloated af.
Or dropshippers. Or karmawhores
Or my personal favorite: karmawhoring bots reposting content stolen from other peoples’ OnlyFans accounts.
Right lmao. And to what end? Are people making money off of it? Or is this truly karma whoring at its most basic level?
How many did they have when they were the age Lemmy is now?
I kinda don't agree that that would provide any valuable insight unless you factor in the ease of access to the internet and speeds and availability of smartphones and computers across the world back when reddit was in its infancy
It would provide more insight than comparing their current figures. When Uber started, if you compared the number of people that got taxis in those first months to Ubers numbers you'd have bet on Uber to be out of business in months.
I went back onto Reddit today and like 20 posts in popular had 5k+ comments. I really miss the variety but, we'll get there.
On a good day maybe 500 of those are quality comments and the rest are bots, emojis, trolling, or general meme/shit post comments.
I get what you mean though.
Some thoughts on that, Reddit has half a billion monthly active users. Lemmy has about 50k monthly active users. That's .01% or one ten thousandth. We won't be displacing Reddit anytime soon, but then we don't want to. That's the main problem with Reddit, it's too damn big and too damn corporate. The main thing is Lemmy sees enough growth to stay relevant and viable. It doesn't have to compete with anyone.
I did rm -r * / the first time I ever jailbroke an iPhone by spazzing and hitting enter before I’d finished typing the full command. (I’m terrible at mobile typing.) I’ll never forget the full body sweat that put me in immediately.
Did that once many years ago on a Linux system, wanted to delete a directory tree, but I was logged in as root and didn't realize I was at the root prompt. Wiped out the whole drive. Not a big deal since it was just a test install so I was being careless anyway.
Back then Linux didn't protect root from making stupid mistakes. I think now you need another switch to actually delete the root directory. I've since gone to using FreeBSD mainly and I haven't tried it there, but I think at root as root you can still wipe the drive with that command. FreeBSD is less idiot proof than Linux. I think iOS is based on BSD Unix, isn't it?
Woof. I’m glad I’m not the only one that’s done these things!
I want to say that you’re right, but I’m not NEARLY as familiar with *BSD or it’s history as I am with Linux. My understanding, though, is that iOS/macOS are based upon Darwin, and that Darwin derives a fairly significant portion of its code base from BSD. So, in part I believe the answer is yes.
As a total side note: do you have a recommendation for a good BSD derivative distribution to try? I’ve tried probably 15 Linux distros, but never made it to BSD-world!
do you have a recommendation for a good BSD derivative distribution to try?
The thing about BSD is it's fully POSIX compliant which can be good and bad. The good is it's highly consistent in terms of architecture and how things operate. The bad is standards constraints can limit flexibility. Linux is somewhat POSIX compliant, but has a tendency to go off the rails at times. In any case if you're comfortable with Linux you'll be comfortable with BSD right out of the gate.
Linux can suffer a lot from fragmentation due it's market bazaar style development. FreeBSD is run by a single entity responsible for design top to bottom. There's been some big changes to Linux in modern times I don't really care for (such as systemd). With BSD you always know what to expect. You won't get blindsided by some off the wall change in architecture or design which happens a lot with Linux.
There's a number of BSD distributions that are open source and free. The main open source BSD distros are FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and DragonFly BSD. FreeBSD is most popular and is designed to be good all around. It's probably going to have the best device support, but other BSDs can have other strengths. For example DragonFly BSD is stronger for desktop use.
Honestly the best application for BSD is in a sever or development environment. Linux is more advanced when it comes to support for desktop use. Though I think BSD provides a much cleaner and consistent operating system as it conforms to specific standards. You can get it to work well for desktop use with a little extra work and preselection of compatible hardware.
I mean, it's more of a threat than it was. In all likelihood, this won't be the last time reddit does something to really anger it's userbase. There is a much higher chance of people leaving in future incidents if there is an alternative platform with enough users to actually have the content people want.
We’ll get another flood of people once they finally axe old.reddit
and nsfw content
I had 3 Reddit accounts and I can’t be the only one with multiples.
I think the stat is actually 430M monthly active users. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/reddit-statistics/
It's nuts.
Quite--that's why active is a better metric. And as others have stated, metrics maybe don't even matter; or they misrepresent.
My point was only for those who want to know the fate it Lemmy as it compares to Reddit: Reddit doesn't care right now. They're not going to feel the pain of the bleed for quite a while yet
No, what we should be comparing is Reddit year 1 numbers with these. They’ve had 20 years to grow organically. I bet Lemmy’s start would look a lot more promising than Reddit’s. And Reddit also had much larger competitors when it came out, if you recall.
Do we know how many of those accounts are bots? I'm curious because I definitely ended up interacting with many many bots recently on that site.
Nobody's ever gonna have an accurate answer.
Hello... beep boop
Have to agree with others, we don't want the majority from reddit here. They helped to turn reddit into crap.
I would rather see this be like the Linux community. Just a few percent of users, but all very motivated and interested in Linux.
On a user-driven platform, not all users are created equal. Lurkers bring little to no value to the platform beyond clicks. There might be a huge engagement difference on a per user basis.
Moreover... I just want my niche communities to be active. We will never have Reddit's archive of content, but we can get to a point where the Lemmy's corpus of knowledge grows to at the same rate as Reddit's. I don't know how many users it'll take to achieve that; 500k? 1m? 2m? 10m? No one knows that number, but to me that is the number to beat.
I make new reddit accounts everyday.
I'm working on a bot that makes them for me and manipulates votes.
Fuck reddit.
Sorry dude, you'll have to subtract one unfortunately. I created a NSFW account to have two different home feeds.
Apologies for the inconvenience.
Ummm. I have a friend that has a 2nd NSFW account too.
You and I must have the same friend ;)
"Of course I know him, he's me"
I though I was me? This is getting confusing.
Make that 233 999 and one duplicate account by Jay@sh.itjust.works
Plus100.000 from threads which is part of the fediverse (maybe)
Threads isn't federated yet, and this is just counting lemmy numbers anyway.
I know, I was just taking a piss of threads. I had to uninstall it cause it was clogging my phone, not joking. It's true shit code
"I need to be punished"
Only two?
That's how it's meant to be.
A master, and a baiter.
Is lemmynsfw down? I can't log in with my alt account
Nope, works for me
Do you have 2FA enabled on it?
I think it's okay, since people on all platforms create multiple accounts and throwaways.
More than just, I have accounts on 3 of those 10.
Why? There's porn and general stuff. And this dichotomy is beautiful. Like yin and yang.
I created my lemmy.world account first, but I like the site name for sh.itjust.works so I have one there too.
In my case:
feddit.de didn't update and as soon as I switched to another account I couldn't login again
So I created one on shitjustworks. (which ended up with the same problem, but I wouldn't want to have a third sfw-account so I just waited until it resolved)
And I wouldn't be surprised if there was another old account of mine on feddit.de from a time where lemmy was just this weird thing some people in r/berlin linked to
I'll probably make a professional identity alongside my personal identity. So two total. Yeah.
Have a separate account on burggit.moe and lemmynsfw for this exact reason. Plus a lot of alt accounts on instances that are defederated (different usernames for each).
Not to be the fly in the ointment, but you can't really just add those up and expect that number to be accurate if we're trying to look at unique users within the fediverse. If I had to hazard a guess, a not-so-insignificant chunk of those probably overlap (i.e. users who have made multiple accounts across several instances). I have made an account across lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, kbin and fedia just as backups in case one instance fails. I might be an extreme case having 4, but pretty sure it's becoming increasingly common for people to have at least 2 accounts (1 on a different instance).
Hey, I resemble that remark.....
If anything, I'm betting the population of lemmynsfw is more representative of the number of unique accounts across all instances since there's really no point in creating more than one porn account.
Pfft, I'm horny on main 24/7 baby
Yeah I have two accounts. But that's when lemme.world was kind of crashing because of that update, and I thought I was doing something wrong. So I went to a different instance.
I made a bunch of accounts on a bunch of instances when I first started because I didn't understand how they were connected. Even now, I'd suggest having one or two on the instances you like and decide which ones work best
I don’t know if this is counted but it’s also perfectly reasonable to have accounts on defederated instances. So if this is counted that might inflate the numbers a bit.
To be fair, I am sure many people also have multiple accounts on the same instance. I am not sure what is the proportion between people opening accounts for backup like you and people just wanting alt accounts.
yeah same, i made an account on 3 instances, since i see some instances being trigger happy with defederating, its just not clear yet which instances will be the most free.
I think I can confidently say now that this is a legit Reddit alternative
How many if you include kbin?
Impressive
But remember too some people have multiple accounts and are active across at least 2.
I have 4 on lemmy and 1 on kbin and I have posted on all 5 in the past week.
Tech enthusiasts tend to make up the early adopters of a new social media platform, and programmers tend to have some level of passion for technology.
Threads is new but not novel. It's essentially just Meta Twitter and is using Facebook and Instagram to give it automatic momentum.
I’m a little surprised the one I picked made it lol
Hell yeah! Not sure if I’m active or not though
Ha, glad to see our instance made the board!
Call me when it's 1,234,567.
But I don't wanna make that many alts...
Yeah, me either.
I wonder how many of these are unique? I'm sure that many, like myself, have created accounts on more than 1 instance.
Everybody needs at least two. One for regular interaction, and another for porn. I mean for science.
"culture"
Culture and science.
I feel called out.
Research!
To be counted as active, you have to have commented or at least liked a post/comment, IIRC. So if you're hopping around from one login to another within 24 hours and actively engaging on them then yes, you'd be counted more than once in these stats. If you're just lurking, no.
I'm guessing most of the Beehaws at least have duplicates since they cut themselves off.
Why did they do that?
As a protective measure when lemmy.world got exploited.
Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but that's looking to have been a prudent option if they wanted to avoid bad actors at all costs.
Yep, due to the uncertainty on the durability of instances, I have created my main user on a small instance to help the distribution but also backups on bigger ones.
I'm just curious what the nsfw patch does
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There is some stuff like auto expanding content and not blurring NSFW content. Simple stuff. Hoping those features will make it back up into Lemmy soon.
I'm guessing it's the patch they did to show NSFW content whether or not the NSFW checkbox is checked.
I think that Lemmy does need more of the right exposure.
If you search for any Lemmy content on Google or Duck-Duck-Go, you don’t get any good results. This is probably because most people use Apps or secure browsers that don’t allow tracking.
Maybe Duck-Duck-Go need to have a bang search modifier for Lemmy. https://duckduckgo.com/bangs
Doing course correction in fixing social media is a long game. It'll take a while, and there'll be turbulence, but this is a great start
great. slowly transitioning into Lemmy from now on becuz fuck reddit
Rather have 240k users here than 240m on reddit.
Sometimes it's the quality of the shit posts and not the post shits.
People who use lemmy are more likely to be power users. The people who use their reddit account once a month generally don't know or care about the issues that caused a lot of us to migrate.
I think the users on here tend to be active on the site in general rather than just a few specific subreddits. And also the small amount of users all interacting on the same communities gives the entire site the feeling that smaller subreddits used to have. Which was always infinitely better than big subreddits will millions of users, infested with bots.
Diarrhea doesn't always win.
Yep, reddit got too big for its own good.
Aww poor lemmy.dbzer0.com not top ten. 😭So close at #11 though!
The riches of dbzer0 shall remain hidden for now.
I'm liking the UI on their desktop site.. I'm tempted to jump.
I love to new theme too 😊
and I mean, why not?
fuck reddit, and any corporation that takes advantages of its users like reddit.
We are the ones who give you value, not vica versa. Their IPO depends on how many users they have. Not on the capabilities of your app. And they treated it vica versa.
From then I just made my parade for pro-privacy and for pro-anticorp that takes advantage of its users, deleted my META account thus my Instagram, Messenger etc. My Discord. I dont care anymore. Even if I dont have now I will find someday other options. Better or not, they are options. And Lemmy seems a very good one, even better I would say, just not as user friendly - yet. (Not that reddit's app was good but we all knew that we had to use apollo/boost anyway)
How is lemmy.ca not in Canada?
We're just behind cloudflare, the server itself and all us admins are Canadian.
It is surprising. A month ago they were Canadian servers, smorks@lemmy.ca moved it to lunanode (Canadian). Perhaps CDN was moved or the whole machine was moved to a cheaper hosting platform since it got very big from then and is under new admin management as of a week ago-ish.
Edit: found the answer from Shadow@lemmy.ca, TL:DR is CloudFlare
Correct! The server running this and all data is stored in Canada.
Here's a blurb from a doc I'm working on:
Lemmy.ca is hosted in Canada at OVH in Beauharnois, QC with all data on a dedicated server. Backups are PGP encrypted and pushed to the OVH backup service, however these will be moved off-site in the near future.
We use Cloudflare as a security and performance layer in front of the server. They accept the traffic for Lemmy.ca through a worldwide network of ingestion points, scrub it of abusive traffic, cache the images, and pass it through an encrypted tunnel to our server. This means they can see in plain text the data sent between us including your credentials, posts, comments and images. You can read more about their policies at https://www.cloudflare.com/trust-hub/.
Found the answer.. Edited my comment to include it.
Nice to see my curiosity helped others :D
Hold on, is it not? Checking....
EDIT: Weird that it is private... But I guess that's fine since they're using a CDN... https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/lemmy.ca
Happy to see that my instance shows up! https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/lemmy.fancywhale.ca
The great Canadian-Dutch war. 4 people were injured and Kevin's mom made pizza pops for everyone after.
I have high hopes for Lemmy, but I don't think that having a lot of users is going to be a super positive thing in the long term. It'd be great if it could feel like younger Reddit for longer than younger Reddit did, you know? Stay at least a little under the radar.
In looking for a replacement for Reddit, I came across this. I'm hopefully optimistic. The last straw for me in a long list of issues that I have with Reddit came yesterday. Lemmy has a long way to go, but I'm moving away from Reddit and will become active here.
Lemm.ee is omnipresent
I’m old enough to remember a simpler time before lemm.ee was in the top 10 largest instances (it was 2 days ago when I signed up)
The sudden death of VLemmy and temporary closing of lemmy.world pushed a bunch of people here I think.
Did the admin say anything or just pulled the plug and vanished?
It's a lemmystery.
Really though, from what I've seen in other discussions surrounding it, it's a genuine mystery as at the time I'm writing this (and as far as I'm aware), there's been no further information on what happened with it, why it's offline, etc. Lots of speculation, but no direct info to go off of.
Indeed, no one has heard anything yet. It's very strange, I hope the VLemmy admin is ok.
I'm one of em
I’m another!
Time sure flies when you're having fun!
A bit more than that😅
According to my cake day, it was just over 1 month ago now
That's wild
I'm a lemm.ee veteran! Yup, been here a whole 10 days now.
Same!
I just created an account there to avoid some of the lag from all the traffic. I know nothing about this instance, lol.
A quarter million users and that's not even with all the different instances.
Very cool. Just remember folks, don't forget to diversify and decentralize! These other instances have some interesting posts and conversations, and by spreading out we make sure no single instance or community can break the fediverse.
Lemmy.world is gone forever for me. 😂 If I sign in, it tells me my log in is wrong. Then I sign on the web, it tells me to enter the 2FA code, I have never set up 2FA. Signed up with another email, kept saying captcha was wrong, then just failed and kept saying user already exists. Tried to log in with the new email that it told me it already existed, then it tells me wrong log in. I just gave up
Edit: this has been very bizarre. Resetting the password sometimes works on the mobile browser only, but not on the desktop. Then now it just never works anymore. I already reset the password once and used it to log in, but on apps it gives an "invalid token" error, on the browser it asks me to enter my 2FA code, but I've never set that. When I try to reset the password again, nothing happens Ruud@lemmy.world would you be able to take a look at this for me, please? I don't know if that's the right way to mention someone. /u/Ruud
You need to clear your cookies for Lemmy.world
CTRL-SHIFT-R if you're not wanting to clear all your cookies (it clears the browser cache and reloads).
It took a little bit, and a few tries, but it worked for me.
It works fine on the browser now after resetting the password, but not on any of the apps period. Tried everything.
On apps, you generally need to log out and back in again, which seemed to work for me.
Don't trust the app saying that you're already logged out, try removing the account (if you can), and logging back in again.
When you do a clear cache and data on the app, it wipes the app clean and puts it in a "just installed from the apps store" state. Still didn't work. Not sure what to do. I've already signed up for another instance.
I already did that. Didn't work
If you reset your password then you can log in
Only after they lend you some money which you will pay back with interest because you are in fact a prince
Nope. That didn't work on any app. It only worked on the web browser. I did clear the cache and data on those apps, still didn't work. That include Jerboa
Yes it works only on web browser then you can log in and dissable 2FA
Not anymore :(
Wait, it worked. Wow, took two days. Lol
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
90% 2nd accounts on lemmynsfw.
Are all of the communities nsfw in the instance?
No, almost all of them
Should we make a /c/science community and discuss the latest developments?? 😂
It will be full of nsfw pictures of people wearing lab coats in no time. So, an absolute win.
Lemmy.nz here
I think it is cool that it is coming up on nearly 2 million across all ~1200 instances.
Cool, I got in before a quarter million!  (my first comment)  *typo
Hello fellow programming.dev lemmings!
lemmy.ca has a Dutch flag?
Hosted on a dutch server.
Is it though?
No it's not, I read down the thread further and found lemmy.ca devs saying it's hosted in Quebec on OVH. Something about CloudFlare redirect.
We should spread out across it, if the lemmy.world hack and the fact that its admins are even flirting with the idea of fedding with threads are any indication
Wait, subtract one: I'm on both .world and .ee
Yay! My first post! Still figuring things out such as logging in, communities, etc. A bit different from the old world, but the browser is very Apollo-like - God bless everyone for this! MOAR!!!!! More people, more posts, more POWER muahahahahahaha! Go Lemmy! Go Fediverse! ...sorry, I'm not adding anything other than cheers here.
Was vlemmy.net one of those before it, ah, went off to see Titanic?
I think it was 15 or 16 in the days before it fell.
Heck yeah! Let's go!
Why is kbin never included in these breakdowns? Is it not "formally" considered lemmy or something of that sort?
Kbin is a link aggregator independent from Lemmy. It's like talking about Mastodon and Pleroma.
But it makes sense to include it here since kbin and lemmy are both link-aggregators and both part of the fediverse. From lemmy.world you see beehaw.org in the same way as kbin.social. No important differences. Same can not be said about Mastodon.
The issue is that the page where the screenshot was taken from doesn't allow to list both Lemmy instances and Kbin instances at the same time. You need to take two screenshots to show both services, or to use another listing source that shows all services you want to be shown, and I don't know whether it exists or not.
fedidb.org threadiverse tracker does lemmy+kbin stats
Sometimes it is, say here:
https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
But you might as well say why isn't Mastodon included? Kbin is a fundamentally different platform and architecture, even if the two are largely compatible (as is Mastodon, to a slightly lesser extent with Lemmy).
It is perfectly reasonable to look at the growth of Lemmy, think of it like quoting use of one flavour of Linux - Linux uptake overall is also interesting, but not the same.
The Linux distro concept is a great analogy.
Kbin is different software that accesses the same infrastructure. Kbin prime can interact with Lemmy, but Lemmy people can't interact with kbin (yet).
Lemmy people can’t interact with kbin (yet).
? You can search for Kbin magazines & subscribe to them via Lemmy, as well as post to them/reply to posts that are federated and the like. There have been some issues/delays in federation between the two, but not too different from those between Lemmy instances, unless something has recently changed with Kbin again in this regard.
You can search for Kbin magazines & subscribe to them via Lemmy, as well as post to them/reply to posts that are federated and the like.
Oh, that's completely different from what I had read when I first got here. Thanks for the correction.
All good! There were some initial issues with Kbin/Lemmy federation, at first I think it was that it wasn't enabled just yet and later it was related to their configuration of Cloudflare or some CDN, I think, to help in handling the traffic, but it was eventually resolved.
It's not, no. Though I do wish we got some of the same cool charts like this from time to time. Kbin is great.
Of the top five, sh.itjust.works seems to be the best. Definitely the instance that I would recommend to new users.
Now I want to know how many of this population did not use a 3rd-Party reddit app.
Increased population in lemmy.world is attributable to Redditisfun directly linking to this instance with its dying notification. Other instances may have vastly different compositions as a result.
Sync did the same I believe.
There is a whole lot of desktop and laptop users who couldn't care less about APIs, but some of them have begun to notice that Reddit just isn't the same anymore.
Right here. I used the standard Reddit app.
I remember trying RIF way back in the day. I think before the official app was even rolled out. I can’t even tell you why or how I quit RIF as it’s been so long ago.
I personally didn’t have much of a problem with the official app, even though it could be wonky at times. I was more of a lurker and not a mod nor any kind of power user or anything. I left Reddit more on the principle of not wanting to support a greedy company anymore.
I did use the standard reddit app
What did happen to reddit though? Everything seems to continue as it always has. I was using Joey for Reddit to browse it, ant that still works as far as I know
Nice achievement! Needless to say, the user base needs to grow further to compete with other social media
And to think you thought you needed a John Oliver AMA. John Oliver don't have anything on me.
"Barbie", only in theaters July 21st.
Hey that's me!
why are so many lemmy.ml users not active compared to .world or beehaw?
lemmy.ml is very old, because it's run by the devs of lemmy.
Beehaw has a number of news and politics communities. As one might imagine, there's livelier debates and discussion and lots of new things to discuss almost every day.
I'm going to use the past tense here. Reddit was more than anything a news feed, at least originally. I suspect that their early days created a lot of momentum around politics, national and world news, since they are naturally bountiful sources of content.
Does anyone know where I can find that bot that takes all my subs for me, an allows me to import them into a new account? I really dig reddthat, however there have been a few scares already, and I'd love to have a core backup so if I do move around it's easily set up.
I used https://sub.rehab/to import my reddit subs. Didn't do all of them but it's good enough so far
Seconding this. I saw it in a comment but was like nah I'll never need that 😂 3 hours later I made a second account and was like fuck where that thing go 😂
Thank you so much
Who would have thought, taking away a huge reason why people use your platform and being a douche bag about it would drive people to use other platforms.
This is amazing
I wonder if we can take the data in that site and see whether or not the fediverse has a "long tail." Or if the mass migration has consolidated folks into a more traditional bell curve across servers.
The long tail is a concept that applies in a number of ways but I'm most familiar with it from the very very early days of SEO. The idea that the thing you're interested in (in this case active users) are spread over so many tiny instances that they seem like a small part of the whole when in fact they make up the majority.
Add one more.
I'm one of those! Literally just joined for my first comment. :)
Thank you for those posts!
All i know is I spend half my time on lemmy/kbin now blocking stuff because it's just stupid meme after meme after meme.
That wasn't the case a few weeks ago.
You could also subscribe to the stuff you want and switch your main feed from all to subs. Whitelist instead of blacklist
blacklisting is better though if you like to see things outside of your bubble
Block, baby, block. I've been blocking tons of communities/magazines I don't want, and that really helps shape my feed into something I'm not annoyed at.
That's a good thing, don't fear it
Very nice
Where does lemmy.one sit? That's where I made my account because a) it didn't seem to matter and 2) I was told that lemmy world and lemmy.ml were under stress due to the reddit shenanigans.
I’m hoping the great guys at .ml will approve my registration there. Setting up a backup account and would prefer it be there with all my stuff subscribed and ready, just in case.
not a lot of midwesterns i guess (im on midwest.social)
I bet we fall just outside the top 10. Seems pretty busy here to me, plus our LOTR memes make top upvoted pretty frequently. Honestly I'm wondering if the user distribution might be pretty dang good below the top 5 servers or so; 234k could be a serious underestimation of the actual active userbase if the next 20 servers all have 1k+
yeah the site wouldnt load for me at the time but it does now
Testing
Great to see from Lemmy.
Hehehehe
Nice
Came here right after Joey stopped working. Gave official app one good spin before deleting: virtually unusable.
and how many are those thats are bot ?
let's shoot for 300k!!!
I'm curious what the Services column means.
Glad, that Greedy man is zucking user base. Hehehe.
Huh. It feels a lot livelier than that.
How's Piefed doing?
Beehaw admins shot themselves in the foot, it was supposed to be the no.1 by now but they decided to persecute the left instead.
Not really. They never wanted a large instance and didn't want to become a Reddit replacement. I see them more like a federated Tildes, honestly.
When I switched they were one of the biggest communities, I'm really surprised to see just HOW FAR they fell.
beehaw defederating from lemmygrad was the entire reason why I created an account on lemmy.world
It doesn't appear like they value growth for growth's sake. And that's cool because it lets them focus on other, arguably more important, stuff. Many of our preconceived notions about social networking don't translate well to the federation model.
arguably more important stuff
Censoring the left.
I'm as leftist as they come but I think it's their prerogative to defederate from any instance they want. If you and/or your content are not welcome there you should respect that. It would be kind of authoritarian otherwise, wouldn't it?
Censorship is not what's happening, because you're always free to express yourself in countless other spaces if you want. That does not mean that they're are forced to read what you say.
I actually quite like having Beehaw being proactive about their users' safety/ mental well-being.
I wound up making a second account on Lemmy.world so I can see what's going on in the larger Lemmy community, but I also appreciate being able to browse and post in a safer environment. I just wish the Lemmy back-end had more nuanced federation/ defederation options and better mod tools so I didn't have to make a second account to browse the extended Lemmy community.
I LOVE your username
A red scare apologist, impressive.
A genocide denier, impressive.
Edit because my first draft was just being sarcastic. I am pointing out how useless your comment was for discourse. The person you replied to never stated anything about communism, they were just pro-defederation for beehaw. They didn’t even specify “pro defederation from lemmygrad”, just that they like the heavy moderation. You then called them a red scare apologist for nonsensical reasons. So since you are pro-federation with lemmygrad, I jumped to the conclusion that you are a genocide denier, even though you never said anything of the sort. It’s useless conversation, it in no way moves the conversation forward, and all it does it make you feel superior.
No, no, this is completely different.
He said the following "Beehaw being proactive about their users’ safety/ mental well-being." in the context where I said beehaw persecutes the left. Does persecuting the left equal protecting anyone's mental health? It does, if you support the Red Scare.
Also, which genocide? The genocide of indigenous population in the United States? Black Genocide? Jew genocide by the nazis whom the right defend so much?
EDIT: by how quickly this was downvoted I can tell the person didn't even read the post.
If you feel persecuted by people who don’t want to be associated with genocide denial, then you are a genocide denier. Blocked.
Which genocide? The genocide of indigenous population in the United States? Black Genocide? Jew genocide by the nazis whom the right defend so much?
Maybe they care more about their users than being number one.
I’m ootl on that, is there a summary thread anywhere?
That other reply/summary is a pretty biased hot take. Click on that user and see where he's coming from and you might see why. I'm not on Beehaw, but I'll take a shot at doing better.
Beehaw has the goal of being a "safe space" on the Internet: no harassment, no trolls, very supportive of marginalized groups, etc. So they're heavily moderated, but they have (or, at least had) a small mod team.
When the Reddit exodus started, with the sudden flood of people to Lemmy overall, two of the bigger instances, .world and shit just works, had open/instant registrations without any verification. Apparently people were signing up on those two instances and harassing/trolling communities on Beehaw, and their small mod team was overwhelmed trying to keep everything within their stricter policies. They said the mod tools available to them currently don't allow much granularity, so about the only thing they could do is defederate from the two instances, and that's what they did.
They said they consider it temporary until the tools or situation improve to the point where they can better handle it.
I personally think their goal is noble, but I've never seen anyone succeed at making a completely safe space on the Internet, and I'm not sure a federated instance is the place to make one, but good on them for trying.
I'm afraid I don't have an account on beehaw and I don't have any bookmarks either but essentially they pose themselves as "neutral" but they are the far-right definition of neutral. The first issue was their terrible excuse to defederate from lemmygrad, they weren't sincere at all, they just kept making it look like they were doing some sort of "good thing", from that point they kept removing any strongly left-wing comments and banning users who disagreed with the American narrative of world events.
As an alternate viewpoint: admittedly, I haven't been super involved there, so maybe I missed some stuff, but I haven't seen anything like what that person was talking about. Lemmygrad are a bunch of tankies, the dumb shit they say makes the left look bad. From what I understand, people on the right seem to hate Beehaw because of their strong moderation policy.
I'm pretty sure the person you replied to is just a triggered tankie. "disagreed with the American narrative of world events," means, "they removed my Russian propaganda posts." I would take what they say with a grain of salt.
Yeah I like beehaw, I made an account on Lemm.ee after they decided to defed from world and nuked the content I see