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Piracy

2y 6d ago by sh.itjust.works/u/RmDebArc_5 in memes@lemmy.ml from sh.itjust.works

I have had uni professors sign books to make sure people actually bought new books and not used ones (he wrote them); unfortunately for him i had access to toluene to get pen ink off; did the same to all of my peers; Fuck those kind of professors

Do what happened if you bring a book to class already signed?

He threatened you to either buy a new book or he would make your uni career hell, one of my mates did it, at the last exam he sent him back 5 times, the last time he went to take the exam the coordiator said "what else have you got to ask to him; he told you everything in your course; [insert name] give me the paper" he signed the paper and sent him off; the prof. Still gave him only 60/100.

I still want to slap that piece of shit.

After that i taught other people in the uni to do that; he tried to mitigate by writing over the printed title of the book; hoping that any tampering would be evident; toluene didn't touch the toner, so it didn't work

Edit: grammar mistake (thanks mac)

Sounds like a pos.

Also that sounds very illegal, no complaints have been filed or anything?

Here in italy no one gives a quater of a fuck about that kind of shit. Good thing is that the same can be said when after the last exams he always needs to call a tow truck since he won't have tires, not even cameras were able to stop them, and i'm quite sure other professors turn a blind eye to them since they also hate him.

I knew you were italian as soon as I read that lol. Basically my uni life too

hi 👋

just fyi:
"teach" is one of those words in English that has a different suffix for it's past-tense: it is "taught".
Eg. "They taught me to sew."
"teached" is improper.

Note: not to be confused with "taut" which is pronounced the same.

:)

I had originally wrote taught but i confused it with "pulling something tight" so i went with what would get the point across even if it was wrong.

Edit: fixed it now

No judgment, I think its interesting the little high-stakes decisions we make like this though.

"Oh no which spelling is it? Is there time to search it up? Oh no my train of thought is fading! Send send send!"

Thank you for pointing out a mistake in a very polite way while being informative. You deserve an applesauce for making a better internet 👏.

Do Italian professors know their students' names? Over here, two countries to the North, no professor knows anything about their students.

If you mean Germany: Depends. At my smaller university quite a few professors knew my name and others had something I would consider a friendship.

That should be illegal. If not illegal, then worthy of a random thug stabbing.

Buy/collect used books off students after they finish the course... Remove the ink, resell undercutting him by a ton and make a huge profit!

Nah I'm fine with spreading how to remove the sign, there are already enough people capitalizing on education here

Time to sell toluene! taps temple

What an absolute buffoon.

The specific case here was the professor had a financial stake in new books being sold.

I do agree updated editions with new information could be important, but again when theres a financial incentive to sell new books, the obvious lean will be towards making new versions even if there is no new information.

Since the books can be required, they should be required to show proof they have substantially added to their edition or else relegate it to a minor revision (maybe adding sub-editions like 1.0, 1.1, 1.2; where you only need the first number to be current). Right now its a whole lot of, "Trust us you need this book and the only pre-owned versions are out of date".

As a side thought, this is the kind of thing that makes me wonder if they use the book costs to weed out those that will not allow themselves to be abused to that degree. This would leave only those who would conform to their leader/manager/teacher and are less likely to try to change the system.

Version 3 is ToTaLlY different from v2, i switched all the chapters around

Cue someone creating a script to convert the new chapters to the old ones!

God bless this professor. Piracy is a victimless crime!

Aaar, matey.

The name of my Plex server has been "The Pirate's Booty" for about a decade 😂

Like punching someone in the dark!

J/K, I have a pavlovian response to the phrase "victimless crime"

This reminds me of when Weird Al told Canadian (or maybe Australian?) fans who wanted to watch his movie, "there's Very Probably No way to do this. I know you probably have a TORRENT of questions, but I don't have time to answer them right now."

Once in a while maybe you will feel the urge To break international copyright law By downloading MP3's from file sharing sites Like Morpheus or Grokster or LimeWire or KaZaA

Asus had some different ideas about libgen.rs 😯

Yo control your router lol (freshtomato or openwrt or something might be good options)

Seconding the recommendation for OpenWRT - I’ve been using it for years on my routers.

I loved AsusWRT-Merlin back when I used an Asus router.

It's running Merlin, works pretty well. Then again, all it does is NAT and DHCP (and apparently the parent control thing)

Why would you let Asus nanny you? They can't even make hardware that doesn't spontaneously break.

To be honest, that filter is so useless I didn't even remember it was on. 😁 Can't remember if it blocked anything else ... ever

That's not an excuse to run applications like that At best, they're useless, typically, they track your browsing behavior, at worst, they inject harmful content into e. g. websites you visit.

Who's excusing anything here?

This is a pihole/Adguard home type service with centralized blocklists. No more, no less.

As far as I am aware "they" cannot inject anything into any website. That would require some pretty nifty mitm attack.

I have not personally reviewed all of the code, but the people making AsusWRT-merlin that this router runs have a pretty good idea about it. I will let RMerlin speak on this issue, knowing more about this than myself.

https://www.snbforums.com/threads/384-6-now-sharing-data-to-trend-micro.48202/page-9#post-540572

It is definitely something to be aware of and consider for yourself. But just maybe people have some knee jerk reactions sometimes that are not helpful.

To be fair it might actually be possible to find smut there.

You're probably correct. It's the Internet. The Internet is for porn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs

It is one of the rules I think, the 34th?

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://www.piped.video/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

Unfortunately many courses now give assignments through sites that are only accessible by purchasing a textbook with a unique access code

So in every other country if they tried something like that, students would kick up shit, government would step in and sort it

So it's either, too pussy to stand up for yourselves, or you're living in a dictatorship

Which is it? 😂

i don't know who's downvoting you. As an american who had to go through that shit, you're not at all wrong.

Selfishness and greed. Anyone that stands up stands alone, and the others are quick to lick a boot as they grovel for scraps. For some inconceivable reason too many consider this preferable to standing together and working to make things better.

North American here. Funny how it's very much less "which is it?" And more "Yeah. Basically."

We've been culturally domesticated to not cause trouble for our bosses / schools / etc. If the State steps in after you cause trouble for enterprise, it's usually to kick you back into your place.

We might not live in a State dictatorship, but that only matters so far, because that State enables many tiny, petty dictatorships that more directly affect your life and run amok unopposed.

Somehow people accept petty tyranny in everything from corporations to universities to shifts at the burger joint. They'll get all riled up that some politician they never met is bawking about foreign policy, but their tail is tucked firmly when their company tells them they can't get sick days and arriving a minute late is a fireable offense.

Many have bought the lies of rugged individualism and competition. "An insult to one is...well, that really sucks for you but I told you to just stay quiet. I'm just working hard doing what I'm told."

Like someone said before me: Even the most rebellious in us think twice about making our move, because many people simply think "That's how it is." And don't believe it can get any better.

There's not a lot of examples of collective action winning in recent history, so a lot of people don't even know how to begin to push back in the first place, besides writing an angry tweet or two.

Both.

Meh. Only "too pussy" to stand up for ourselves because it's against a dictatorship that will not hesitate to beat the absolute shit out of us, arrest us, torture us, and/or shoot us. Some of us do stand up for ourselves, and only some of what happens to us makes it to your eyeballs. College students are getting maimed right now for demanding that their tuition money doesn't go to investments that support Israel committing a genocide against Palestinians, but most people think it's just whiney kids getting arrested for antisemitically camping in the quad.

Things would be different if the protests were armed, which is why they should be.

If only there was a way you could, say, enter the educational establishments with some sort of firearm or something 😁

A professor at my university tried that, but the students quite quickly made a huge fuss, got the principals office involved, and the universities lawyers informed said professor that what she was doing was illegal, and that she should stop before she got any more trouble. She stopped.

Your university has a principal's office?

Possibly a poor translation from my side: I'm referring to the "head office" of the university, i.e. the group of people under the direct leadership of the principal, who have the highest administrative authority at the university.

I paid $1000 for books my first semester of college back in 2007. I felt so burnt and violated I never bought another textbook. I made it through the rest of undergrad, a masters, and a PhD in biochemistry by checking out books from the library, borrowing textbooks from friends, and going sailing. When I taught I made it a point to teach my students about all the ways they can avoid becoming a victim like myself.

What could you have possibly learned from sailing though?

There's a lot to be learned at sea, lad.

The only sea I sail is the digital sea

I can't tell if you actually are confused or not, so I'll just answer as if you are: the original poster WAS alluding to pirate-actions.

Somalian pirate actions?

Well I'm sure Somalian pirates are capable of pirating in many ways, maybe even simultaneously! Why limit yourself you know?

I was actually confused, I just woke up D:

No worries, happens to me too!

As an aside, at least for me, that first thought that pops into my head when I am trying to understand or interpret something, can be so silly and strange and outside the box, I will legitimately laugh at myself sometimes because of it.

And if it makes you feel better, my first thought reading it was actual sailing too, but only for a moment as I added more context to it. Not sure why I would think of real sailing considering where we are posting but something in the way it was written lends to it.

Good XD! I also laughed at myself when I found out D:

It was SO smooth I literally just thought "Ah must be nice having a boat to go clear one's head on the waves once in a while since you're not hustling to pay for all them textbooks."

Whooshed me like a salty breeze, it did. XD

Lol! Dang rich kids and their rich kid problems!

I bought some textbooks for university.

Ended up not using most of them.

Most computers science students are used to computers, internet and StackOverflow.

Not paper.

Here is a PDF of the book you need for this course, you may not share it and the file will self destruct the day after finals. Thanks for the $150

The younger teachers were doing something similar to this. Teachers have to follow certain sets of rules to not get fired.

It was mostly the oldest, gray-haired teachers that were requiring textbooks. Stuck in their old ways.

At least you OWN the text book and can reference it years later. That PDF scam was a real piss off

That might work in other domains other than computer sciences.

But from my experience, nobody cared about books and papers in computer science. Everyone is more comfortable with technology.

You can easily Google or find things on the internet.

The professor that taught my algorithms & data structures course said if we were going to keep one book it should be the one for that course. I followed that advice and it's the one textbook I still have. It's been 8 years since graduation and I haven't opened it once. I tend to just read Wikipedia if I need to understand a particular algorithm or data structure.

Exactly lol. If I were you, I'd try to sell it.

If it's still relevant, you could also give it to younger students.

Textbooks that are good references are great. Textbooks that are just another class and withhold the answers are garbage.

There's nothing wrong with paper books.

I never said there's something wrong with paper books.

I'm even reading one right now. Lord of Rings paper version.

But for computer science students textbooks, it's heavy, inconvenient and spacey.

The internet or even PDFs are better.

Why?

It's easier to do research, CTRL+F and copy/paste some programming code.

If you're copy pasting code you're not learning a whole lot.

You're clearly not a programmer lol

Copy pasting code is THE WORST way to learn how to program.

The best investment I made in textbooks was the class that wanted a Schaum's Outline book, $15 brand new and still a book I use for occasional linear algebra reference.

I found this in my first and second year so I stopped buying them.

Half the time it was just "recommended reading" and the book wasn't even used in class.

Yep, not gonna shell out $120 per book for "recommend reading"

Don't you have university library? I did most of the recommend readings through my studies and found them all there (excepted for one). Ended up being a two reference books which prove themselves to be worth it.

The California Community College I went to allowed you to filter classes in the schedule by whether they offered ZTC - Zero Textbook Cost or OER - Open Educational Resource.

I love how he doesn't even bother trying to consistently maintain the facade. It's a *Chef's Kiss

In one of my uni courses, I found a free copy of the required textbook and posted a link to it on the forum in the LMS saying "Hey prof, is this the correct textbook?" By the time the prof responded and politely took my message down a week later, everyone had helped themselves to a copy.

Sites like that saved me thousands getting my psych degree. God bless professors like this. Also the ones who were like, "the new edition of the book you need for this semester is $500, but you can get the previous edition for $5 at this site. Here's copies of the pages that were changed." or "I photocopied every page you need for this semester from the book for all of you."

  1. Use Anna's Archives
  2. Wikipedia Library
  3. Wosonhj

A professor of mine sent me a similar email when I said I was having trouble accessing some journals through the University library portal:

"One should definitely not use Sci-hub, if you catch my drift."

Too bad it doesn't have the latest papers. annas-archive is supposed to be growing that database, though.

It became hard to update SciHub lately as people behind it are from Russia and nearby xUSSR countries.

Our profit margin demands you buy over-priced books from our shop

College material monopolies should be illegal, just like all other monopolies. Want to give students an education in the real world? Let the free market determine textbook prices.

I once had a class where, day one, the professor said something like, "If you don't want to buy the book, that's fine with me. I can't tell you where to find a copy, but maybe one of your classmates can." Someone raised their hand and started rattling off a few useful websites.

Fuck Pearson

I didn’t buy any books for university because all of the teachers have syllabuses and PowerPoint slides on which the exam will be based. And I only have to pay 835€ per year for classes.

cries in american

I've wondered for a long time - why don't more Americans come study in the EU? We get people from all over the world, but so few Americans and with some of the prices I read about y'all paying at home, you could be happily renting a small apartment, pay your tuition entirely out of pocket, as you'd need to, feed yourself well, fly back home once a year and still not approach the semestral costs in the US. Are our diplomas not recognised across the ocean or is there another reason.

that's a good question, and I wish that it had occurred to me. I think that it sounds too expensive to most americans. We think of cost of tuition in cost per credit hour, not per semester, so when you say "tuition is only 500", we might think that it's 500 per hour, or about 1500 per class. which is about what one would expect to pay at a university in the states.

Also the language aspect is hard. Americans aren't brought up to be bilingual, so doing a bachelor program in another language might be exceedingly difficult.

However, you might not want the American university students to come over to Europe. They are exactly as bad as they are portrayed in movies.

I think that it sounds too expensive to most americans. We think of cost of tuition in cost per credit hour, not per semester, so when you say "tuition is only 500", we might think that it's 500 per hour, or about 1500 per class. which is about what one would expect to pay at a university in the states.

Oh my... God no! Ahahahah

Most of us don't even find out how many EC-whatever credits we need to graduate before we enroll. Pretty sure It's different, depending on the specialty you're going for and largely irrelevant. I don't have my student's book on me rn, but I'm also pretty sure that I've only got two or three teachers so far (second year, but I've tried two other bachelor programs before that) who've bothered writing in my hours. When people talk tuition, it's almost always per semester. You need to keep in mind though, that most of us study on government subsidy if we study in a domestic university (or abroad with Erasmus). The subsidy is different everywhere. E.g I pay 225 Euro per semester, meanwhile somebody from another country would need to pay something like 1600. I'm in agronomy. My uni also teaches veterinary medicine and those guys pay a little more than us. About 270/1700€ subs/oop. Still, it's apparently a great deal to the absolute shit ton of Greeks who come to become veterinarians here. See - in Greece, subsidised education is entirely free, but it's ultra competitive and apparently paying out of pocket in Bulgaria is significantly cheaper than doing so in Greece for a comparable education and a diploma that's recognised back home.

Also the language aspect is hard. Americans aren't brought up to be bilingual, so doing a bachelor program in another language might be exceedingly difficult.

If your pick of uni doesn't have the option to teach your major of choice entirely in English (and plenty do have it), you will be put in language classes as part of your curriculum, starting from the A and B.

However, you might not want the American university students to come over to Europe. They are exactly as bad as they are portrayed in movies.

Lol, I wouldn't know, but if they're really like the frat boys and girls in the movies, bringing them over to the Balkans makes them liable to die if alcohol poisoning on day 3.

I had a professor who kept all the materials from the books that he wrote on his website. He was cool with students printing the html pages and bringing it to class.

Me fighting my instinct to say * Hello. Based department? *

My Analysis professor once did basically the same thing in class. She said that we should never go to these websites, since they were illegal. Based lady.

I had a stats professor who told us to not buy the book. He would print out hand outs and gave them to us every class. He was super nice. One time a girl brought her bunny to class because she had to give it medicine on a schedule and he made her do show and tell lol.

That professor is legendary

Perfect professor fr

A creative way to tell a student how to download a free book while telling them “not to”. The professor probably just wants to teach and is as tired of the university bullshit as the students.

Textbook example of Streisand Effect.

American media is trying real hard to convince the rest of the world that the US is a civilized Western democracy. But now and then posts like this remind us all that the US is just a 3rd world shit hole with a two party dictatorship and nukes.

I often usually post the chapters we use for my classes in case students haven't bought the book yet. I also have a hard $60 limit for books that I use.

These sites also usually have the solution manuals

I really think Khan Academy should publish a textbook that everyone can use. Cheap or free, doesn't change every year, allowed to print out yourself.

Isn't one of the Gates kids doing some educational reform?

I don't think the problem is the availability, it's probably the adoption. But I'm not in higher ed.

I see some profs trying to choose good books, but they don't seem to be able. But I'm also not in higher ed.

Exactly. We already have stuff like OpenStax. Great content, but comparatively little adoption by faculties.

Respect.