We had a good run, thank you everyone
2y 11mon ago by lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/hsr in lemmyshitpost from lemmy.dbzer0.com
I am fine with the place settling for a bit. It would suck if this place was as big as other sites are overnight. I want to watch this place grow over time
Natural, healthy, positive growth! Not growth for growths sake
Yes! Enough of the "I'm doing my part meme" that isn't even real content.
It is!
Would you like to know more?
I'm doing my part
And I'm doing my part.
It’s not but it drives the discussion. I feel that at this point, some participation is better than no participation at all
I disagree completely, but thanks for your take.
You’re welcome
This man needs more upvotes!
Exactly. No one likes an steroids user. Natural growth is always the way!
Yeah, my main problem so far has been finding communities actually worth following/joining/contributing to.
If suddenly tons of average people join, they won't really find communities, they'll deem that their analysis of Lemmy, and leave with tiny chances of a second chance. It'll just boom and bust in it's current state. Most people aren't interested in starting or growing a small community.
Meanwhile, if we stay at this size for a while, communities may form/grow, and as people trickle in, they'll grow bit by bit.
Lemmyverse.net
This looks great thank you, going to have a deep dive.
Excellent!
Yea and a lot of that may be bot accounts that are getting banned/being shut off.
Yes. I do not want another Reddit.
never go full reddit
I, for one, am not going anywhere. ✊🏻
I’m interested in seeing how well these great open source apps for Lemmy scale as the user base and post/comment data grows.
The apps are already amazing and will not suffer issues of scale themselves because they run on users’ devices. The scaling issues will be in Lemmy server code and ActivityPub in general.
ActivityPub doesn’t seem very scalable IMHO. It works well if all instances are about the same size and communities are well-distributed. Right now a few servers like lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works, and lemmy.ml are much larger than others. They host most of the popular communities as well. This creates an imbalance which ActivityPub doesn’t handle well.
I think Lemmy instances should be topic based. But that’d be confusing for people coming from centralized social media who are only trying to find a reliable starting place. So I really hope we reach a point of maturity and mainstream-ness of Fediverse that people feel comfortable with smaller theme-based instances.
My main gripe with ActivityPub is that the infrastructure basically replicates 1-to-1 across subscribed instances. It means that as lemmy grows, servers will require more and more storage to keep up. For now, it's fine since we're under a few TB of content on the platform.
If lemmy were to be as popular as reddit, we'd reach the dozens if not hundreds of TB of storage required. Not everyone has the money to build such a homelab or rent data center servers of that caliber.
ActivityPub in it's current state is nothing but replicated centralization, not a full decentralized protocol. We'd probably need a different database system that handles cross region clustering and sharing to scale it up.
If you don’t mirror everything locally, you can lose data when other instances go down. Decentralization just has high data costs, take a look at git or bitcoin. I just hope ActivityPup learned something from Diaspora, where small instances couldn’t handle the amount traffic comming from big instances.
My point was that there is no need to replicate everything everywhere. If the data is replicated a cross 5 instances per region for instance, it's enough for replication needs. If you self host lemmy and subscribes to large communities on your instance, you can quickly overload your server. We need activity pub to be more lightweight if we want smaller instances to thrive.
As long as we have the population to stabilize the big communities and slowly fill out the niche ones as reddit drives ever downward. I think we will be ok.
I hope that the lemmy devs take this time to look at how they're distributing users. We need a better browser for people to find what instances to join. The next Reddit exodus is going to be massive and .ml and .world aren't ready for it.
The brain-drain has already happened on reddit and it's only a matter of time before the good content and 3rd party development explodes here on Lemmy.
Commenting so I have commented in July.
Nice July comment. Here’s my July comment.
First post please ignore
Test post, please ignore.
Roger that
July comments incoming
July
july
July
July
July.
July!
July
::ahem:: ...July
July
July
July
Just in case, July!
July!
July
Juwulay!
Jewel Lie
July
You can call me your July reply guy
I am also july
Ohai
Another July comment
I see what you did there
me too
Christmas in July, happy Christmas.
Same
Same here
Roger, dude.
Hi
same, may as well make my first comment here
Me too, thanks.
July?
No, I think he's telling the truth
Buy the dip!!!
I’m a woman and child
Skill issue
I am also a woman and a child.
Goo goo ga ga this stroller isn't going to push itself
I'm just a woman in love
I'm Brian and so's my wife
My favorite kind
Sorry I was busy this weekend.
You are not allowed to be busy, you need to shit post nonstop.
So Long And Thanks For All The Fish 🐟
Yall got fish? All I got was beans.
BBBBEEEEAAAANNNNSSSSSWENEEDMOREBEEAANNSS
Beans? I only got old memes
🐬 SO SAD THAT IT HAS COME TO THIS 🐬
🐬 WE TRIED TO WARN YOU ALL BUT OH DEAR 🐬
That is probably my fault, I'm cursed and the moment I ever join any organization or community, something invariably always happens.
Meanwhile, Threads is stronger than ever. Try Threads today!
Here I was thinking we didn’t need awards and the like, but minds change
I think awards would be fun. They wouldn't have to cost anything either
Might be fun if everyone got like 1 gold every couple weeks to give out. That way they’d still sorta be meaningful
Or for example, you get a special award for 100 comments to give away.
I love this idea, this would drive up engagement from power users!
It would also drive up meaningless and irrelevant comments.
This
Meta
Concur. I would tie “awards awardable” to participation. 1 award per 10 posts or 100 comments. Given the federated nature of Lemmy it would probably have to be tabulated per instance, but that’s okay since that would tie awards awardable to the communities in which one most often participates.
my engineer brain immediately went to how crazy the desync would be lmao (upvotes, comments, and subscriber count already out of sync sometimes)
lol
Ah well...
Se you guys on..
on...
uhh, Lemmy?
Well, I deleted my account, so there is no going back to reddit. Also discussions here seem better for me for some reason.
Less people = less assholes
Proportionally, there's still as many.
less shit = need fiber
need fiber = something no vegan has ever said
*fewer
R.I.P Lemmy, probably my fault 😢
Chill man. Even my activity is dropping now, but that's just me thinking that Lemmy will be self-sufficient while I read my books. It's true that Lemmy is not as addicting as reddit, but that's for the best. I've actually gotten into new hobbies whose communities I might eventually join here.
Don't worry, I'm here to stay ^_^
Oh great, you're here.
You know this Turtle?
Everyone knows the turtle, and now you do too.
Can I know the turtle too?
Bruhhh I thought you were someone else. Welcome aboard
Ah I see you work in my work places wage and bonus calculation department.
Bot purge or server issues?
There was a post the other day about other lemmy servers that had thousands of inactive users. The OP contacted the admins of those servers to let them know and several admins did purge a load of accounts.
I believe this is the correct and uncontroversial explanation.
Well I would like an incorrect and controversial explanation please and thank you
People begin to realise that Lemmy is the bottom of the barrel. Constant server outages, low quality content and a community that is growing ever more toxic.
There. You wanted incorrect and controversial.
It was the fuckin beans
I blieve you are correct. All my alts are gone
People were pushing for everyone to comment at least once a day so all the lurkers were counted as active users. It's a little bit of The Pot Roast Principle at this point.
Edit Ok, so don't just pick the first link off Google folks. That got weird fast. Have this Less insane version instead.
man what the hell is that article on? It starts off explaining the pot roast principle which ok that makes sense (it's that we often do things not because of logic but simply we were taught to do so by our parents), but then it says that a message to take away from the story is that "persistence is a virtue" which I mean I guess but you're kinda missing the point? But then in the very next sentence where it says "sometimes things we take as fact are just superstition" it goes "and we should consider prayer as a healthcare alternative" and compares listening to only medical science as like cutting the ends off a pot roast. Not like "superstitions hang around for a reason though and there's perhaps some minor psychological value in these harmless cultural things" or "people who strongly believe in something tend to report more positively in negative times" or even god forbid "have you considered that prayer is like cutting pot roast ends?", straight up "have you tried asking God for help? When was the last time you did that huh? Why are you treating God like a teabag that's pretty ungrateful you dick"
I'm guessing you probably didn't mean for that to be the message (this article is weirdly the first to pop up when you google the term) but uh, maybe you should vet your articles? Unless you're really trying to say we should try praying for lemmy to succeed
To be honest I picked the first result on Google, half-heartedly scanned it to make sure it actually told the story about the roast and went "good enough"
I just went back to reread it and I'm kind of horrified now. Going to have to edit in a less insane link.
I read about an experiment once, where monkeys were placed in a room with a ladder leading to a reward. Whenever a monkey attempted to climb the ladder, they were sprayed with water. Over time, new monkeys replaced the original ones, and even though the water spraying ceased, the monkeys continued to prevent each other from climbing the ladder based on learned behavior. This went on and on even though none of the monkeys in the room had ever been sprayed.
I think about that a lot whenever people say they aren't allowed do something, especially because of religion.
Last time I saw it, someone said it was fake. Here's a source I found for that: some guy made it up for his self-help book
I'll be darned, thanks for the correction. Now that you mention it that definitely sounds like the kind of story a self help guru would tell.
Not gonna lie I lost it when the article asks, "Are your prayers like tea bags? Do you only use them when you’re in hot water??"
Most people just call that “cargo cult” where they don’t know why they do something, they just do the ritual without questioning it. Also it probably won’t lead to people looking up stuff related to putting a roast on a spit 😉
Right? I want quality, not quantity.
Thanks for the link, cool concept.
- daily comment contributing to the roastbeef end cutting
I was busy for a few days where are the trend discussions being held?
This is a pretty standard curve for a recently discovered thing. Everyone is curious what it is, tries it out then a percentage decides it isn’t for them and goes elsewhere.
I had to be pretty stubborn to get into Lemmy, never received the verification email (likely due to sudden server load) and no way to retrigger it, so had to wait until the new version came out. Apparently that removed the login block. Not to mention the filter on my account defaulting to showing no posts (needed to set language filter to include undetermined and my language), so it was kind of a rough entry.
But this number isn’t total accounts, it’s active accounts. So that means people who have logged in at least once during the last month. The accounts still exist from when people came to check it out, but if they decided it wasn’t for them or ran into issues like I did and didn’t return then they’d fall off the active user list.
New products face this curve all the time. Steady growth, discovery spike then retained user drop back to steady, hopefully accelerated, growth with a higher baseline than before.
I am also under the impression that active only counts users who commented or posted. So there is also a very significant possibility that people are just settling in and starting to lurk. It's really the 90-9-1 principle (in a stable community, 90% lurk, 9% are occasionally active, 1% are consistently active). It would really be weirder if we didn't see some lurkers after such a massive influx of people
Maybe it should also count users that vote?
Nooo my investments!!!
how will i financially recover
I honestly was worried about our growth maybe 3 weeks ago... It seemed there was a boom and then sort of an exhale after that initial rush in early June. However I'm subbed to about 130 communities. My feed is nice and busy where I couldn't even chance to see all the content. I can look through my sub list (LemmyTools addon plug) and catch up on some comms I missed in my feed. It's going great now as we are seeing steadily more upvoted posts (in the ks) now. Memes are off the charts. Tech and News seems to be hot. Im not super stitious well, maybe a little situous but I think things are going well and seeing a good base here form.
There will need to be some sort of stale/abandoned community cleanup or filter eventually though.
Buh....But I like it here. No toxicity and genuine discussions. Also fuck u/spez.
Fuck spez.
Fuck spez.
Fuck spez. 🤤🤤🤤
Go back to reddit
No I like it here.
Because you people turned it into reddit 2
Your account is 2 weeks old.
Don't look at me I am the furthest thing from your stereotypical redditor, hell even my reddit account is just a year old and the only reason I have it is so that I can join r/Indian gaming.
Do you practice being this stupid or does it come naturally?
As a cheapskate selfhoster who can only afford a few gigabytes of storage, It may come to a point where 30GB would not be enough to host the entire post history of the lemmy fediverse once user activity rises, and only those with deep pockets would be able to host archives of lemmy posts, just like usenet servers.
Meh, storage is cheap, you can get TBs of storage for less than $100. If things really pick up and you're a smaller Lemmy instance, I bet there'll be some good ways to filter exactly what you store on the server.
Well, I am hosting this instance on a VPS, also given that I currently reside in a third world country, my pay is shit that I cannot afford more storage. If there comes a time that I would have to delete some posts and comments to free space, given that I still have not explored the Postgres database container, I hope the devs included some foreign keys on the comments table that would make deleting stuff way easier.
What's the point of self hosting?
Control over your own instance, and the ability to choose which instance you federate with.
I have not used it in almost a week and was thinking about giving up and down loaded jerboa.
If this is like Mastodon, then I think the server will flush items cached from other instances when they reach 6 months old
See you guys on the next trendy platform!
threads??/? 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Of course threads! They already have everyone's information so the setup is lighting quick.
Hopefully it helps Mastadon. We'll see. Facebook isn't suddenly benevolent that's for sure.
Welcoooooome to the machine
For me it still feels a lot more silent than in the old reddit world. Nonetheless I enjoy the content here more than I did in the end of using reddit 🤷♂️
I liked Lemmy a little bit more before the July 1st influx. Not because of the people, but because there is now more ‘popular’ content that has resulted in less niche content. I’ve subscribed to so many communities that I don’t even see comments from many of the smaller ones because the larger ones dominate the feed.
the memes communities are alive, that's all that matters
I personally miss understood the fedivers and had multiple accounts on different instances. Currently I am only using one. I guess that is part of the dip.
What's with this meme format having repeated words at the end of the first line and beginning of the second. It happens so frequently it surely can't just be inattention.
I think it's a way of denoting satire. The opinion given, like the grammar used, is intentionally bad. I think it originates with r/okbuddyretard where many of the posts are created in ways that mimic how 12 year olds on the internet speak.
Maybe it's a reference to the phenomenon when a word repeated that way isn't noticed, or an earlier meme that uses it?
It's weird cause I notice it every time... or do I 🤔
Weird. I didn't even notice that until I saw your comment.
Its the old meme format format.
Quality content over quantity
LOL this reminds me of the numerous news articles that kept saying how Mastodon wouldn't scale and how it would never take off. The most ridiculous one: "Mastodon is crumbling". (We're over 13 million users right now.)
I think the moment a decent app becomes available, or Spez does something else fucking stupid, active users are gonna skyrocket again.
Connect is pretty good, and right now is ad free.
Voyager is almost identical to Apollo. A joy to use.
I miss wefwef, it was a better name.
When you’re adding your shortcut to the Home Screen, you can rename it back to wefwef.
I never used Apollo. But I've really enjoyed voyager and it's been fun seeing the frequent updates. The dev seems pretty awesome
💯 Lemmy is self-sustaining now, and the programmers/server admins are getting experience with scaling. IMO Lemmy is now open for business to steal users every time Reddit does something shitty. I'd say spez should be worried, but he probably doesn't actually care past the pump&dump IPO and if Reddit becomes a ghost town after that he'll have already rode off into the sunset.
Posting from LiftOff, I approve
Our role now is to continue making this a viable alternative. We must walk so they can run (away from Reddit)
what would spez have to do? he just made a bunch of the users lose money by removing/expiring coins.
Aw man, and I just got here!
Ooh no!
Anyways....
honestly, even i went off of lemmy for a bit, not because i dont like lemmy, but because every time i reloaded the page, it would sign me out, and i couldn't save any settings, it seems to be happening across most lemmy instances right now
Might have something to do with everyone getting logged out of their accounts after the hack. I have been browsing but not logged in until just now
I was just thrown error pages when trying to load lemmy throughout the day earlier today and this is my second attempt to reply to your comment here as it would not let me post comments on Jerboa and I'm now trying it in a web browser.
Edit: Success!
So long and thanks for all the fish!
Beans are killing lemmy stop beansss
Well some people start communities but are not up to task. There should be a well developed rules/about community page. I have seen just create a community post links and do very little to build engagement.
People are gonna look and leave if a community has like 10 members a new thread with a few replies every two to three days and links.
When I get a little time I will be creating a community. Either way level of engagement will take time to build but lackadasial community creaters add to the build time.
Aww maaaaan. It was good while it lasted. OK, how about resurrecting MySpace? Call it something like Mice Pace
if lemmy is dying, so does threads
It was fun while it lasted
I was playing Outer Worlds
I haven't been on Lemmy in a few days because I can't even login on their website. Broke down and downloaded an app through play store so I could login to comment. I was waiting for Boost for Lemmy, but I guess fate had other plans.
That's OK. Those are just people from the influx. Eventually it will stabilize and start growing again. Gradual growth is the best way to build upon a solid foundation.
I remember the good old 4chan days when every 3rd post was about how "this is the cancer that is killing /b/" ...
Which in hindsight was not wrong. It's a husk of what it was. I fought with many a /b/tard in the great Tumblr wars. It was remnant of a more wild age, before the summer posters, before the psyops.
well bye
It feels like it is.
Most communities have no posts for days. I’m constantly logged out of my instance. Voting on something fails 80% of the time…
The log in and voting issues aren’t because it’s dying, they were because of scaling issues and DDOS attacks because Lemmy is now a visible / popular target.
This stuff is pretty normal for a new upstart service that is becoming popular. This feels like Reddit’s early days.
Whatever the reason it’s happening, it’s happening. And has been happening for weeks.
Even if a bad experience has a reason, a bad experience is a bad experience.
Growing pains from being popular. It will get sorted out. Same thing happened to Twitter and Reddit in its early days.
A lot of the early adopters here are millennial and gen X folks who adopted other stuff early in the past, and they have a nostalgia for the growing pains of a new platform.
That said, you may want to check back in a few weeks when a defense for the DDOS shit has been figured out.
If people decentralize and stop hopping on the biggest few instances, that'll help a lot.
People can then just hang out on smaller instances and federate to other communities, and the load will be spread out a lot more.
My hot take is that we need people to hammer certain instances. It’s uncovering performance issues that we didn’t see previously. Stress testing is good.
Also IMHO, in the future, Lemmy World’s current size will be considered very small. 100k total users and 4000 active users per day will seem quaint.
I have had very few issues. It's probably because I'm on a less popular instance. I don't understand why everyone piled into one instance instead of distributing the load a bit.
Most communities have no posts for days.
This is on the community owners. Almost all subreddits start as spaces where one person (the creator) posts daily until the community grows.
It's also a thing on reddit. The vast majority of subreddits created get abandoned. Only a tiny percentage go the distance to become active communities.
Simply subscribe to the active communities, or take part in making communities that you want to be active into active ones. You haven't made a single post and you're complaining about a lack of posts. The problem here is that you just want a slop feed rather than to be an active member of a community.
So far on lemmy all I've really encountered is a bunch of threads going on and on about how great lemmy is, a bunch of assholes who contradict those threads about how great lemmy is, and a shitton of bugs like the one you mentioned and more. I'll give it a shot I guess but my experience has been pretty underwhelming so far.
IMHO, most of the performance bugs have been ironed out during the part week. Problem is that Lemmy’s new popularity is inviting DDOS attacks.
that website does this all the time, check it again tomorrow and it'll be a vertical line again.
But in which direction?! 😬
Vertical. Dude, he just said that!
Are these real stats? Or just a directional commentary that Lemmy is growing? If they are real, where can we see these?
Lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world does not immediately imply credibility.
Real. But no cause for concern. Lemmy experienced a massive, 20-plus-fold increase in userbase almost overnight. The small dip is most likely just the new users settling in and starting to lurk. The recent bot purges probably helped a bit in causing the dip. In any case, it would probably be weirder if we didn't see a dip after such a massive flood of new users
Edit: also, the website to check is the-federation.info
Also: hockey-stick growth rates are unsustainable. Attempts to force it lead to toxic and extractive environments.
B-b-b-but infinite growth is always possible and sustainable! We just have to do everything we can to maximize profits!
WE GOTTA GET THOSE NUMBERS WAY UP QUICK DO SOME COCAINE AND POST ONE HOUR A DAY MORE EACH WEEK UNTIL YOU NEVER STOP. ABP, ALWAYS BE POSTING
Https://the-federation.info/platform/73 it is linked to from the lemmy main page.
Here’s my July comment. It’s been a struggle getting used to lemmy but it’s still pretty early and I think I’m soo mad at Reddit that I being a lurker have decided to be more active and post more. It might take close to an year or so for more posts to show up and fill the communities so be patient and cut them some slack.
Happy July, I think I posted this month but just making sure
Buy slow sell shigh.
as instances get overcrowded site slows which drives traffic to other instances. I could care less about collecting old posts. travel light, have fun
wsb has taught me now is the time to sell my lemmy account, or was it I should buy more Lemmy accounts?
Buy high, sell low or something
Commenting for the stats 📈
Alright pack it up guys. Let's go back to Reddit. /s
It's been a good run. :(
It was good while it lasted... 😢
That's it, I'm outta here
I’d rather be part of a smaller niche community than anything else to be fair
Thank u/spez
Honestly I don't know why it isn't more popular, to me the whole setup is just so perfect I love it!
It's not dying but also not blooming.
Remember doge?
I try not to because then I get sad that it's never going to be what it was.
I'm new here and I still have my doubts. Relatively tech savvy, but it was a bit of a chore getting signed up for instances.
That, and almost none of the communities I was at before exist here. I'm not an r/all or news type of person.
Short it now!!
Eh, might just be all the bots getting removed.
Well, it was fun while it lasted
And here I am, I have just started to use Lemmy more
BUY tHe DiP y'all! This must be done. Never a better time to purchase more shares. Lol
F
lol
nope, I just joined today because lemmy website sucked until I found vger app
Guess I'll have to find a hobby.
I vote mass exodus
To everyone trying to figure out a cause or rationale, I'm fairly certain this is sarcasm. This is normal.
Was fun while it lasted.
it likely could pretty quickly if all these really bad bugs persist. It seems a huge swath of things were fixed but for like a week it was unusable.
Literally ded gem. F.
growth has been amazing to watch on lemmy
Aw, guess this is the end. So long guys.
Is lemmy.ml down now? 🤔
Still.. barely any content outside meme communities.
It's been fun
Imma post me nada
"Vaginal blood fart" 💀
Guess it’s back to Reddit then.
Hehehe... ButBut
I‘ll follow fellow Lemmings and will leave a comment from July 2023
When in doubt, zoom out!
But but
but
but
The battles are short but the war is long
nah bro that's a good thing... is it?
July comment incoming!
It was nice posting here, too bad I waisted all my posts here
Fkin hell
"but but"
😱
I think everyone went back to reddit after a few days. It was nice while it lasted though
Doubt
I didn't.
I know I have not. I have had some trouble commenting here, often getting an error and I haven’t had time to keep trying, but that doesn’t mean I give up. It isn’t a big deal to experience glitches. I never expected this to be perfect. It’s a work in progress.
Reddit proved we don’t matter to its admins at all. Not even a little. Who wants that?
Are you having issues on Jerboa or on the website itself? I tried out another android app called Connect today and it is much more stable. I constantly get network error and problems signing in with Jerboa
I am on Memmy for Ios. Today has been smooth. I just installed the latest update. I am unsure if my issue was the app or the website.
I wonder if the issue might be your instance. Being one of the larger ones, it might be more prone to becoming overloaded and having issues with the server, compared to if you joined a smaller (but still well-run) instance.
Possible. I’ll try a smaller one to see. Thanks!
Won't go back can't go back
Yeah I’m not going back lol
I haven't been back. Doubt I ever will. No point to it.
If I’m looking up how to do something with my homelab and there’s a Reddit result I’ll go in, grab a screen of the info I need and then leave. But I deleted my account and don’t browse it at all, won’t be returning
Nah. The place just feels shitty anymore, angry even. And there are too many bots now (including all the suddenly pro-Reddit shills who strangely cannot be downvoted into negative numbers).
If anyone wants that, cool. That means more for you because I'm gone.
Reddit is not as good as before
I didn't. However, my brother, who is mister super liberal, stick it to Reddit, shame on The Man, went back after a couple of days. He's an unsmart person.
super liberal, stick it to Reddit, shame on The Man
"stick it to/shame The Man" are certainly not values I would associate with Liberals.