"I don't care that it's in the shape of a whale!" is now my new favorite phrase and I now plan on 3D printing that to hang on my wall

One of my good friends got really deep into the woodworking hobby. His house looks like a cowboy resides there.

Reading the fucking manuals, no less!

if you put sweet baby rays on a $50 cut of steak

Monster!

Grabs Heinz 57

Yeah! You're supposed to use mustard.

Hey I’m the good cook husband with a car problem too.

My wife never wanted to help cook though, she loves that I take it on by myself most times.

And I get the kitchen mostly to myself (though I’m sharing it with my son more now, which is slower, but pretty fun).

You might be right, but I don't envy your wife.

I'm the primary cook in my family, and my wife loves it. But she also is a fantastic sous chef. She helps me out with everything.

It's awesome having an extra set of hands in the kitchen and is also great bonding time.

Andrew Tate and all that shit.

The best explanation I've heard for it, which also dips into the why, is:

Once upon a time, there was the patriarchy. For men, this meant they had the purpose of being the breadwinner, for the price of massive mental health issues, since they were never allowed to show weakness.
Nonetheless, a whole culture and identity evolved surrounding this struggle, with beards and alcohol and it being totally not an expression of missing personal closeness cool to have sex with lots of women.

Then came along feminism with the ultimate goal of fixing this. It didn't intend to take anything away from men, but it kind of requires allowing women to also be breadwinners, which slims down the purpose of men.
Suddenly, it's potentially not enough to bring home money, you need to help out in the household and not be a complete mental health wreck. You need to be able to show weakness.

And while this is great for many men, it's also where a lot of men get kind of left behind. They've lost their manly identity or their breadwinner purpose.

And that's where the whole mansophere stuff comes in.
People telling you everything is exactly like 50 years ago, and you should be wearing a beard and drinking alcohol and having sex with lots of women.
In a weird sense, this is good for men. But the whole community is also massively misogynistic, and blaming feminism rather than appreciating it as a potential proper solution, and of course, you've got right-wing "thoughtleaders", i.e. white dudes with microphones, to round it all of.
We desperately need better solutions for these men.

Haha even porn as a hobby (wtf) wins that

If you like rabbit holes: https://youtu.be/BgO25FTwfRI

Fuck you, those can be hobbies! *drains shot*

But you can combine those two hobbies, it unlocks some form of super power!

One of my hobbies is “drinking”. I love craft cocktails and craft beer. I collect craft liquors and share them with my friends. I even make my own cider and beer sometimes. Maybe home brewing doesn’t fall into the “drinking” hobby as much.

My friend, if you rephrase "arguing online" as "debating", you will see your love-life improve dramatically.

"ArguingOnline" you mean, don't you?

He shouldn't be embarrassed even if he wasn't autistic. You don't need autism as a "free pass" to enjoy any hobby in your life no matter what it is.

Is he seeing anyone?

The secret is couch co-op

Apparently so is porn and traveling, so I guess it's a pretty inclusive list.

Why are you constantly doing it if it's not fun for you?

Ah! I see you never did competitive porn!

The random callout of the Dutch is pretty funny. Dodged a bullet there.

I met a guy whose hobby was painting vulvas. It was a very active hobby and his apartment was covered with his work. He seemed very proud - his gf not so much lol

Evolutionarily speaking this is attractive because people that are good archers are good hunters, can provide for a family, and also drive off marauding Mongols.

Huh? I think archery is a pretty cool hobby. Then again I might be "slightly" biased..

It's the long shafts...

You tend to kinda get very strong doing that so...

Almost all of the hobbies that I have and that are listed are in the "least attractive" column. Explains a lot, I guess.

Wait.... So the fact that I walk 5 miles a day means that I go on a hike every day?

I actually have a bias against the forest hikes. Had a gf that loved going on nature walks. I probably wouldn't have hated them so much if smartphones had existed back then, but nope just flip phones.

That means that of all the stuff on top, I don't do gardening, or travelling..... Mostly.

Yes. One of my coworkers has done exactly that.

Hobbyist blacksmith here.

I read a book on blacksmithing, built a small forge in the backyard, and put my tools in the garage. It's fun, fascinating, and surprisingly approachable.

To start blacksmithing you need a space to pile up some charcoal, hairdryer and a tube, a hammer and tongs + something that can be used as an anvil(i have used a piece of old railway on a log

Yeah you can easily set up a home forge.

Knifemakers typically.

I have friends that 3d print and woodwork, plus one who was setting up a forge to smith when life threw some bad stuff at him (fire, car accidents, etc). It doesn't seem strange to me. Lots of people like hobbies and smiting/knifemaking seems relatively popular, if a bit expensive.

On the other hand that woodworking friend had a whole lathe so a small forge doesn't strike me as odd. A bit of googling suggests you can get some backyard forges between $70-300, and can just DIY and make your own. By contrast my camera (OM-D Em1 Mk III) cost me somewhere between $1.5-2k, with just one of my lenses also costing $1.5k.

My GPU also cost that.

you should watch forged in fire. the best competition show ever

My brother-in-law does smith knives for fun at home

"Metal Fabrication"

Yes, because you need to be rich to do that.

Oh. I didn’t know we were doing math that way. I have 8 of these on good and 2 bad. Averages to 561% attractive! One of my bads is arguing online, prove me wrong.

I've played MTG with my wife. Try switching to a green deck, the ladies love it.

yeah aint no way that hollering hag is that high.

You absolute tool noone wants to argue online, why should anyone engage in an inrelevant time wasting discussion???

So about elon

I think it's more of what kind of people women are imagining as a blacksmith. They're probably imagining a rugged man in their 30s/40s with practical muscle definition and enough financial stability to have the time/land for their own personal forge.

Likewise Travelling is just a proxy for "a ton of disposable income, and willing to take their partner to nice places".

What's with the anti blacksmithing sentiment? Most people just find someone's genuine passion to be an attractive quality, wherever their interests lie.

I wonder if hobbies here may mean what people talk about primarily, because some aren't hobbies unless it's all you do or something. Like arguing online.

I've always made the distinction that traveling is just going to average tourist stuff, beaches, camping, hiking, stuff like that, while traveling as a hobby is more like actually immersing yourself in the culture

And comics that are absolutely amazing, like Sandman and Persepolis

Way ahead of you. I already play the triangle at an expert level, and am native-speaker fluent in both English, and Busted English.

Italian and guitar. Working so far

4% margin of error, is my guess.

Maybe they didn't know what it meant

They actually have internalized misogyny.

incel fetish

or "i can fix him"

or both

Had to Ctrl-F to find a comment about manosphere

So wtf is manosphere

Could be similar energy to women who proudly want to be trad wives. And those who think that because they had it shitty, others should also have to go through that.

On another note, I wonder what the divide looks like for women who start with that mindset naively and then end up a) getting lucky and not getting burnt by that mindset (and stay naive about it), b) consider it a rite of passage or the way things should be (and continue supporting it despite no longer being naive about it), or c) change their mindset after enough wake-up calls. There's probably also some that start out as b) but then changes to a c) when they see the same shit happening to their daughters or nieces or other loved ones and decide that's too much. At least I'd hope so.

It's actually below the lizardman constant.

In 2013 a Public Policy Polling poll found

four percent of Americans believe lizardmen are running the Earth", which Alexander attributed to people giving a polling company an answer they did not really believe to be true, out of carelessness, politeness, anger, or amusement

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Star_Codex

I'm not sure how the survey was phrased to participants, but to me a "hobby" is a regular thing someone does, as their way to pass the time/have fun. I've smoked before and have no problem with it, but I do think I would find it less attractive for it to be someone's hobby, as opposed to an occasional social thing they do.

Similarly I have no problem with people watching porn, but if it's gone far enough for it to be considered their hobby, then that is less attractive to me, which also matches the chart.

I might be misunderstanding the word hobby, but so might many of the survey participants.

I guess it's like drinking, I don't think the casual drinking is an issue but if you start calling it your hobby it becomes more problematic.

It's mostly the "hobby" bit, which implies that this is one of your favorite, regular free-time activities. If you are someone who smokes weed a few times a year in social situations, that is a different situation.

A lot of people would find it difficult to be around someone who spends their time smoking unless they are really into it too. The smell especially can be really grating/annoying, and the person smoking often doesn't realize because they have become smell-blind over time (similar to tobacco smokers).

You might want to consider stepping outside your social circle just for the sake of broadening your horizons.

In my sphere, very few people use it. And it is mostly frowned upon. Primarily, if it's smoked. It's regarded as crude, and gross. I'd say edibles are more accepted, but you don't talk really talk about it.

"Top 15 Least" or "Bottom 15 Most". You can't have both.

according to women. Says so right in the graph title!

/s

*whom

As for the porn; there is a big difference in consuming porn, and having porn as a hobby. Similar to the difference of driving a car and having cars as your hobby.

Men seem to have a pretty good idea of what women don't like them to do. Good for them, as they do not give up the things they like just to get women's attention. Unless they'd prefer to have that attention. Huh, "life's a removed and then you die".

I took that as gaming is 0% that no women alive think gaming/gamers are attractive.

(Me making sad gamer noises).

At least I like astronomy, gardening, hiking, cooking! But my personality, appearance, and complete and utter refusal to ever live with a dog negate all that lol

I feel like hobbies and activities are being used interchangeably here. Both take time away from your girl, but some are ones you can enjoy together.

It seems one out of every ten women find guys who like porn attractive.

Watching? Or making?

yeah perhaps this survey was taken at the Ren fair.

What exactly is a porn hobby?

It's maybe one step up from Beanie Babies in terms of respectability

I had a friend with one small room dedicated entirely to them.

Cosplay being higher than anime is an interesting one.

Astronomy seems like the odd one out on the top buch. It’s the only pure science. Everything else has some element of art, culture or athleticism.

Hey babe. 😘 I can’t stop thinking about the other night. The scent of your hair, the brush of your hand against mine as we installed the new tracking computer. I hope we haven’t reached periapsis, because I want to get closer to you. Why don’t you come over to my place tonight? I’ve got some new toys 🔭📷 we can try out. We can get our freak on all night long; the Perseids don’t peak until 3 AM.

The majority of women on this earth will permanently lose her ability to like or respect a man if she ever perceives him as being too feminine. The definition of "being too feminine" varies from woman to woman but often includes crying, expressing any emotion other than anger, wearing makeup, driving a sedan, any number of fashion things, having or liking cats, liking or caring for children, so and and so forth.

I remember back in high school or college, around the time the first three Pirates of the Caribbean movies were coming out and Johnny Depp was America's heart throb, I knew exactly two girls who specifically said they liked the eye shadow he was wearing. Relatedly, I've worn my hair long a few times in my life, and those specific two girls liked playing with my hair. Most of the rest of the women I've ever been with didn't really want much to do with it.

Why is makeup so low? To me that’s super attractive if a guy likes wearing makeup because it shows that he is secure in his masculinity and probably isn’t a misogynistic asshole, but maybe I’m just into feminine men?

i really hate makeup, it's nothing other than an artistic expression of what you think you look good as.

which if you want to do it, i'm not stopping you i have better things to care about. But it's also not that deep, there is no connection between men wearing makeup and being secure in their masculinity, there is a connection between men who won't wear makeup because it's bad for their masculinity and their insecurity in masculinity.

I feel like this is like saying "men who shave their faces are secure in their masculinity"

Depends, is it about cooking?

Might I suggest reading (specifically hard-copy books)? Doesn't require much energy, and if you do it in bed with a dim light chances are you will get your sleep too (+ higher potential for vivid dreams, but that may just be me, YMMV).

It's also, like, super attractive, apparently.

I hear it has something to do with 'free time', whatever that is.

Create figurines and play video games are considered unattractive wtf that's awesome!

It's the company that makes these stupid doll things:

Often folks will just debate for debate sake, not actually trying to understand the other person - that is rather boring.

Debate as a hobby is likely referring to formal structured debate, like you'd experience in a debating club.

I'll play too.

1. I've gotten to where I prefer audio books so I can enjoy a book while doing household chores or the more mindless tasks in the shop but yes this happens.
2. I took enough French in high school to where I think I could successfully buy a loaf of bread in Quebec.
3. I play 8 musical instruments, though I'm probably best at 6 string guitar.
4. From pretzels to from scratch french onion soup I can put a decent meal on the table...
5. ...that I built from scratch in my backyard wood shop. I've actually built a number of very nice tables and I'm not too bad at cabinetry. At some point I'm going to try my hand at turning.
6. Sorry no I'm just outright not a painter.
7. I'm not a bad technical writer but you'll never get a novel out of me.
8. I grow tomatoes, peppers, okra, cucumbers, melons and beans, plus herbs like the peppermint I'm trying very hard to keep contained.
9. Because of how my early childhood shook out I like to swim but I'm not particularly fast at it. I find floating in water to be a very comfortable thing to do.
10. I've taken some nice pictures in my lifetime but I'm still not sure what an F stop is.
11. I like watching space documentaries but I don't own a telescope.
12. Hiking isn't particularly my thing; I would prefer to mountain bike than hike.
13. I haven't so much as held a bow since high school.
14. I would call myself a "metalworker" rather than a "blacksmith." With my background in aviation maintenance I'm more familiar with a shear and a brake than an anvil. I have done some machining and I do know how to quench harden and temper drill rod though.
15. I've been all over the United States but I'm not that interested in traveling.
16. I do not currently own a single comic book. I am a fan of two or three web comics that I get a few minutes of entertainment out of each day, XKCD being among them. Oh wait, does Thing Explainer by Randall Monroe count as a comic book?
17. I've been interested in helping someone build a costume but I'm not that interested in wearing one. There's nowhere to talk about this in this list but I also like building electronics so a costume with lights or motorized components would be a project I'd like to work on.
18. I got some debate training in public speaking class in high school, I'm perfectly comfortable discussing the merits of one plan over another but I wouldn't call it a hobby.
19. I do not "go out drinking." I'll sip a glass of bourbon or scotch though. I also like brown beers, please put your IPAs back in the urinal from whence they came.
20. Assuming this stands for Magic The Gathering, I've never really been into pretty much anything like that. If you invited me to play a round of any tabletop game of my choice it would be Battletech.
21. There have been individual works of Anime I've enjoyed but you'd never mistake me for a weeb.
22. I have no interest in makeup on my face or anyone else's. I was into wet shaving for awhile but I've gotten to where I just wear stubble.
23. Cryptocurrency? No. Cryptography? It has been a little while since I last attended a key signing party.
24. It's been awhile since I've had a good cigar, but I'm not really tempted to restart that particular habit.
25. I have never set foot inside a night club and never intend to.
26. Another thing I've never done, for much of my life I've had drug tests to pass.
27. You mean those dumb little bobble heads some people fill their houses with? I've never actually seen one in person and hope I never do.
28. No YOU fuck off and die!
29. In a world where porn strives to be as depraved as possible it's actually difficult to satisfy a simple lingerie fetish. Search xvideos for "panties" and it autocorrects you to "no panties." FML.
30. I bet a lot but I never gamble.
31. You mean Joe Rogan's fandom? Fuck that noise.

Yea, this struck me as odd, but at the same time... I probably would be attracted to a girl blacksmith for her hobby.

100, 25, 75, 50, 6 and 8.
Your target is... 592.

...what? We arent playing countdown?

Somewhere between 33 and 87 percent I presume

The implication is their level of attraction to their partner

I speak from experience when I say you will get much, much more attention from guys admiring your work and wanting to trade workout tips than from women wanting to hop into bed with you.

A sense of humor and the ability to make interesting conversation will make up for a beer gut or scrawny arms.