I would say "take notes", but I know how underfunded your schools are
1y 6mon ago by lemmy.world/u/justhach in memes@lemmy.ml
The only reason it worked is because the Millitary backed off after Parliament overturned it, despite the Millitary blocking access to the building from Parliamentarians. The Millitary isn't bound by some electoral laws of the universe, they just as easily could have said the vote was illigetimate. This is a unique circumstance and cannot be used as universal.
The Millitary isn’t bound by some electoral laws of the universe, they just as easily could have said the vote was illigetimate.
Well I mean they are bound by laws, to the extent that laws have meaning. And responding to legal instruction would seem to validate the force and efficacy of the legal system, right?
Yes and no. Being bound by "legal" means is a pretense for civility, ie the social contract, but the millitary in no way must follow this. The Republic of Korea has had several millitary dictatorships, from Park Chung-hee to Chun Doo-Hwan, and to think any system is immune to such circumstances is false thinking.
It's not like Jan 6 2021 was a successful coup either tho?
We're not at the end of the timeline at which that's determined completely yet.
Frankly, the American Civil War isn't really even completely settled yet.
You have the resolve of a cop trying to solve a crime committed by another cop.
It’s never going to be resolved.
I think it was resolved, but then Johnson got elected, pardoned the entire Confederate South including Jefferson Davis, and rolled back reconstruction. And the south benefited from electoral success by counting the slave population toward their number of representatives despite disenfranchising them.
I don't have a real end point or pin to this thought but there's solvable electoral process things that could change the outcomes. The upsetting thing right now is disenchantment in the power of procedures to affect outcome which (1) in some sense is just an unfortunate truth but (2) in another sense is a self fulfilling prophecy as we lose touch of how processes can control outcomes.
Let the idiots have their racist homophobic dictatorship if that's what they want.
I'm sure it would never cause any lasting problems, sharing a substantial land border with an actively malicious enemy nation. /s
Besides, allowing them to leave because they wanted to continue actions antithetical to our values would be tacitly condoning them. "You can keep on trafficking humans, we just don't want any part of it" is a pretty cold-blooded response.
No, letting them go was never a valid option. We just needed to actually finish reconstruction. You can thank John Wilkes Booth for eliminating that.
Man, saying things like this just further the divide without providing meaningful contributions to any of the current conversations.
So, how DO you have a conversation with a group that thinks you or your friends aren't people?
I have to do it all the time. I was born and raised in the south by (relatively) liberal parents. I recognize that some of my neighbors my not be up to the standards of the rest of the country, but (I can't believe I have to say this out loud) we shouldn't ostracize a geographic region of people because of social issues.
Social reform isn't achieved by running up to someone and saying "You're an uninformed idiot from a flyover state and what you believe is incorrect." It's achieved by saying, "I know you don't really mean that" when someone says some weird shit and calling them out in a more neutral environment. Unfortunately you have to convince people to be better. It's too easy to just close yourself off and decline into your own beliefs.
It's achieved by saying, "I know you don't really mean that" when someone says some weird shit
And what if, as frequently happens, they do in fact mean it?
Well, I won't lie. It's difficult.
Ideally you'd know this person and interact with them somewhat regularly. If it's online or this person believes they can ignore you without consequence then it won't matter how you address them beyond that initial interaction.
Don't use that as an excuse to feed into their believes though. There's a chance someone they know is already trying to coax them back to reality. If anything in that interaction makes them feel justified, it'll take 20x the effort to undo the mental hoops they'll jump through to rationalize the rest of their feelings.
It sucks. It's not fair to those impacted, but this is the only way to stop this radicalization and hardheadedness that plagues people nowadays.
Finally a voice of reason in a mob of tribalists.
Dude, that doesn't help either
I wasn't here to help. I was here to mock - Not you; but others. I'm not going to hold every persons hand and baby them into enlightenment.
The first shot was fired today against the oligarchs. Well, they started it with all the killing of innocent sick people but the first bullet was fired today.
He got shot for denying poor people their shots.
Is South Korea? It was days ago. Hard to say what the future will hold. The Jan 6th comparison is apt, I think.
Usually when you fail a coup you are dead, not re-elected.
Well, there was that one time in Munich back in 1923....
Kinda crazy that Hitler was put in jail for his coup attempt, while Trump evaded any and all consequences from his. Not that it stopped Hitler from rising to power...
But, while not directly comparable, it's in a way ironic that Hitler seemingly faced harsher consequences than Trump, even though Hitler's time in prison wasn't exactly tough for him.
Hitler also did not win a popular election to get elected, nor did the Nazi party win a majority of seats in Parliament. The liberals in power could have formed a coalition government with the communists but refused
What were their goals again? And did their goals get fulfilled?
Letting the morons being ridiculous, accomplish nothing and then slowly throwing all of them to jail, not to create martyrs, was actually the best move.
Hearing Lemmy support a cop shooting someone is not what I was expecting today
oh yeah, it totally stopped trump gaining power.
Americans love fasicsm. That's why we voted for it. Despite the copious amount of warnings we received from the proto-fascist's ex-associates and top military personnel, not to mention unbelievably blatant examples from the proto-fascist himself.
Maybe we can have Nazi rallies at Madison Square Garden like we did in the 30s. We came pretty close a couple months ago.
huh, turns out a country built on a bed of indigenous genocide and chattel slavery isn't a great place after all 🤔 interesting 🤔
I've been saying this for years 🤣
Not all Americans
30%
The American way is to bail them out financially, then re-elect them.
americans: "yeah so life sucks over here"
europeans: "lmfao rip bozo holy hell am i glad i'm not you"
Yeah, Americans reading this on lemmy! Why didn't you stop... something... from happening?? You definitely are the demographic who supports maga and also definitely have the ability to change the results of an election.
The right wing propaganda machine is too powerful. A close friend of mine works a trade and he's constantly being engaged with right wing talking points. He voted for Trump. He lives with another close friend who has a master's in history who constantly refutes all the talking points but I doesn't matter when all his coworkers, his social media and online media are riling him up with this shit.
At my job I've spoken to Hispanics, that can barely speak English, that are die-hard Trump fanatics. Feels like I'm taking crazy pills.
We’re too fat.
"Rest of the world"
In my limited knowledge, that only recently applies to Brazil. For South Korea, it's too early to know for sure how stuff will develop.
I thought this was referring to the gifts the United Healthcare CEO got yesterday.
South Korean law is apparently very peculiar. Hard to directly transfer this lecture to other countries.
The people didn’t hold President Yoon accountable. Parliament did.
We have the same system in the US. Congress holds the US President accountable the same way Parliament held Yoon accountable, with a vote.
The problem is that we voted in a fuckton of Trump loyalists as a nation, and it’ll be up to them to hold him accountable. We’ll get what we asked for.
The problem is, we voted in a fuckton of Trump loyalists as a nation, and it’ll be up to them to hold him accountable.
Yeah… that’s the uneducated citizens part dude…
Yeah… that’s the uneducated citizens part dude…
Yes and no. Yes, it is true that more uneducated people voted for Trump, and lack of education means people do not understand the risks and negative implications of voting for Trump over Harros for themselves. No, that argument doesn't explain the whole picture. It is also true that educated people who understand the implications voted for him anyway because they saw it as benefiting them/their worldviews. Keep in mind half of college educated male voters and over a third of college educated female voters went for Trump.
Just an aside here to say I appreciate your unwillingness to over simplify this discussion.
Keep in mind half of college educated male voters and over a third of college educated female voters went for Trump.
USA educated* we just talked about how the education system is broken dude….
Sure we can quibble about the median quality of a college education in the US, you you have to draw the line somewhere. But the issue I'm pointing at is people get lazy conflating education with social progressiveness and egalitarianism and dismiss people with different worldviews as "uneducated". There are plenty of intelligent well-educated people who are morally bankrupt or deeply mistaken. After all, eugenics came from some of the most "educated" minds in the world.
If you buy into the propaganda, that means you aren’t educated nor intelligent, sorry dude. You can be rocket scientist and still be considered uneducated and unintelligent.
My friend, the messages that only uneducated people can be pro-fascist and educated people are immune to propaganda is propagandistic. It's reductive and misleading. Evil does not limit itself to the ignorant. Still,I think we have different meanings of "educated"
There’s no need to be condescending. Your meme implies that it was the people who stopped Yoon’s declaration of martial law. I was just clarifying.
Not my meme, and yes, did the people not vote in the people who stopped it…? That’s how its supposed to work dude lmfao.
My mistake, and yes, I’m fully aware of the democratic process. Are you aware that many of the people who voted for Trump are voting for a coup?
My point is that the US citizens that want to stop Trump are now powerless to do so, whether they voted and stumped for Harris, or have since changed their mind about Trump. Between SCOTUS’s ruling and Trump’s prior use of National Guard, there will be no safe way to protest.
Condescension in no way helps those who oppose Trump. Be constructive if you truly care.
They weren’t powerless dude, and it was the lack of education for the last century that lead to it.
You’re trying to blame something other than the problem dude, you don’t have a point here, you’re just bitching about what everyone already knows, but it apparently needs to be pointed out to Americans.
You’re preaching to the choir. Most of Lemmy is anti-Trump. Maybe they should post this somewhere where people haven’t spent the last eight months discussing ways to stop him.
We get it. We don’t want him either. There’s also no stopping a coup if that’s what he sets his sights on.
There’s also no stopping a coup if that’s what he sets his sights on.
Wait isn’t that why your citizens are armed? To stop this exact thing…?
Dude go bitch somewhere else lmfao. And again, not my meme you muppet.
Wait isn’t that why your citizens are armed? To stop this exact thing…?
No, we're armed to stop an invading army. We put that in the bill of rights while keeping one eye on France and the other on Britain. All of our laws and traditions regarding the government were written assuming that the people would only vote for someone who wanted to do a good job being president.
It turns out that when you design a country to favor rich men, then let those rich men amass unfathomable generational wealth and teach the populace that money and power=trustworthiness, you end up with a fetid cesspool. As you pointed out, the people certainly aren't powerless in this situation, just too uninformed, misinformed, and afraid to do anything about it. You're talking about a country where people say that corporations are evil but somehow empowering the people with unions is worse. We say that billionaires are manipulating the country and destroying politics, and then vote for a (alleged) billionaires. The leopards aren't just eating our faces, we're even making up excuses for the leopards between bloodcurdling screams and say that this is the only way to hurt other people, as if siccing leopards on your peers is actually a reasonable course of action.
We aren't stupid, we're aggressively stupid.
No, we're armed to stop an invading army. We put that in the bill of rights while keeping one eye on France and the other on Britain
Original intent yeah, but everyone’s armed for other various reasons, immigrants, blacks, women, trans, etc.
Your citizens are armed, and they could act as an army, unfortunately it’s disjointed and the are armed for the wrong reasons. They could absolutely stop the coup, unfortunately the ones with the guns would be doing the coup….. as the ones that need the guns don’t have or can’t get them. They’re available to all the wrong people.
It feels kinda like an old vaudevillian joke... If a Russian battalion were to arrive at your doorstep and demand that you house them and that your compliance would be looked at favorably when Russia takes over—not only would you be constitutionally protected if you chose to shoot them, you'd likely be lauded as a hero.
But when a Russian asset takes over and compromises our country, well, good luck finding the legal loophole to justify shooting a president.
And here, laws mean everything. It's why immigrants are illegal, shoplifting is bad, landlords are good, and more money=more free speech. Then again, a coup is supposed to be illegal, so once again, I direct you to my previous response: "we're aggressively dumb."
Again with the condescension. You must have made a lot of friends with that winning personality.
Have a good day.
You are the one making the asinine claim that the citizens don’t have the power dude…
It’s funny how you’re insulting me and call out my personality you muppet lmfao.
And for the last fucking time, it’s not my fucking meme dude lmfao, seriously.
Man, I dont know what happened to you but you need to work on your insecurities. Youre the one who started insulting out of nowhere and they handled it very respectfully, you should be thankful
Dude called me condescending for only pointing out they missed the entire joke, that’s an insult, which they started. And they were totally incorrect about it being my meme. So they couldn’t even get their facts straight before insulting me, so yeah why should I have any respect for an idiot like that?
He wanted to bitch and got called out and started their first response with an insult since they had no intentions of having an actually discussion. They just wanted to bitch and be heard.
But sure say someone has insecurities because they’re defending themselves against a troll, what does that make you…?
You were being a dick and the sooner you realize it the sooner you can work on that. Obviously youre the one who cant handle being called out.
PS: justifying your shitty behaviour by pretending the other is a troll is seriously sad.
Oh no, another asshole thinks I’m an asshole, what ever am I going to do.
It’s always funny when an asshole tries to call someone else out, do you even have any upvoted comments in your history? All you do is bitch about others and get downvoted.
You’re the troll here, and so is the other user getting pissy because they got caught bitching about the wrong thing.
And again, dude has thought it was my meme, I corrected them twice politely and they refused to acknowledge the point, how the fuck is that being “respectful” you fucking muppet.
I’m not justifying shitty behavior, I give people the same behavior back, dude said I was condescending and talked about “my meme”, if the moron can’t tell who posted the meme and needs to be told multiple times, do you seriously think that’s someone who’s capable of having a good faith discussion…?
Funny how me calling you out immediately makes me an asshole in your eyes^^ really show how down to earth you are.
Also how fckin delusional do u have to be to shit on my comment history while 90% of your comments have negative votes. Wtf xD
Funny how me calling you out immediately makes me an asshole in your eyes^^ really show how down to earth you are.
Putting words in my mouth? Where did I say that in my first response to you.
Also how fckin delusional do u have to be to shit on my comment history while 90% of your comments have negative votes. Wtf xD
They don’t? Why lie. I went a week through your comments and I think there were maybe 5 comments at the time that had positive, in this thread alone I have more than that, and only the 2 comments that are heavily downvoted.
This shit is public dude, anyone who goes through my history will see that you’re just making shit up yourself now too, like the person who continually thought I posted this meme….
But I’m just gonna block you and end this bullshit since you’re just a troll. Bye!
Again with the troll bs? Youre so embarrassing. Like you just said, its public, so why would you say Im lying? Theres noone reading your comment besides me, noone to prove anything to other than yourself. Also comment upvotes dont mean shit, I dont fucking care if youre controversial or whatever, youre the one who started this childish debate.
Please seriously think about how you treat people. If everyone that doesnt kiss your ass when you insult them is a troll to you, youre gonna live a very sad life.
That’s how we’re told it’s supposed to work, but that’s not how it really works. BBC: [Princeton and Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
The people didn’t hold President Yoon accountable. Parliament did.
How do you think representative government is supposed to work?
It’s the same in every bourgeois democracy: the representatives represent the capitalist class over the working class. BBC: [Princeton and Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
Which is why I said "supposed to," not "in actuality."
Ha...ha?
If you ignore the 4 years that it wasn't a bunch of Trump loyalists that came before the vote.
What's a battle?
Sometimes I hear Bs as Rs.
Ah you must have a cold.
It will be weird going to vote in 2026 whilst living in a fascist totalitarian dictatorship. Will there only be one choice to vote for?
By asking them nicely?
The European retards say things like this as though they themselves haven't swung far right lately. Pot meet kettle.
This is just typical America bad copium by the Europoors and internalized hate by American Euroboos.
Norman Mailer once said "the dark cloud of fascism is forever descending on America but it only ever lands in Europe."
I have a feeling Norman Mailer would've had a different opinion if he were, say, an African-American man. Or a trans woman. Or any of a number of other marginalized groups.
It’s not even about being underfunded. It’s about forcing all students into public school when they aren’t all on the same level when it comes to intelligence or capability to learn, much less their home support system.
The schools that spend the least per student have the best scores
It’s about forcing all students into public school when they aren’t all on the same level when it comes to intelligence or capability to learn
Huh? Don't most public schools offer various levels of the same subject for this reason? Like remedial, honors, AP, etc. In what way is this problem solved by private schools? Unless you're implying that home schooling solves this problem, which yeah sure if one of the parents works full time teaching their children and also has a high level of education themself as well as the relevant skills. Not something that can actually be scaled out across the country. And history has shown that homeschooling typically leads to inferior education.
The schools that spend the least per student have the best scores
Yeah that doesn't sound right at all. You got a source?
Here's some sources:
A 10% increase in school spending improved test scores by 0.05 to 0.09 standard deviations
Oh wait these sources agree with you and that guys probably full of crap.