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1y 4mon ago by lemmy.world/u/moss in 196
I'm just happy to be here
wait, why not blahaj? I dont get it, it was well moderated there :(
There should have been more communication or a poll or something, lemmy world is not known for its clean moderation :(
it was well moderated there because of my excellent mod team, all of whom have migrated as well. we are going to continue to moderate on this instance exactly the same as we did on blahaj.zone.
So back to the question, why not blahaj?
There's obviously a powermod who thinks she owns the instance, her actions are causing this division
This does not answer the question.
Choosing lemmy.world
In 2025
We have decided to move to a new exciting platform named Reddit
please unlock 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
i want to keep posting on the real lemmy 196. yall do your thing here if u like, but leave me out of that
Ditto, I don't support the move.
I want my trans-friendly community on my trans-friendly server, not .world
We'll continue there without the current mod team.
.blahaj is a troll friendly community
Debatable. The dragonfucker story is very nuanced to me.
From my perspective, dragonfucker clearly came here to be a shit stir and cause chaos. However, it is important to still respect people's requested gender pronouns. If you think someone's gender pronouns request is too far-fetched, just don't interact with / block that person.
I think banning this individual was the correct move, but misgendering anyone is not okay. Notice I'm avoiding pronouns altogether here to dodge the issue completely.
I'm not entirely up to date on what went down between the instance and the moderators of this community, but it's clear communication broke down and this one person was able to create a chasm between the two.
What I do not like is the lack of communication on the moderators' end, and it's very clear that most 196 users do not agree with this move as it has not been properly explained, and moving to a large instance goes against the idea of decentralization.
Have you actually seen any of drag's posts that people don't like, or are you operating based on rumour?
Come on drag, you're gonna pull a take like that and then wonder why you're on their shit list? I know you're off the wall, but come on dude.
Nazis deserve to be shot at.
Trans people shouldn't commit suicide.
Welp, they did it. Just not really sure what happens now. I should hope some new members who are a bit more in touch with the community get appointed to the team.
Of all the instances you chose .world? Yeah this party is probably dead
I wouldn't be so sure. give it a few days to settle, then let me know how you're feeling
Its been a few days, how are YOU feeling?
Lemmy.world lmao
Was there any consultation with the community on this decision?
Nope
Why should there have been one?
Moss and the Modteam are the ones for whom instance swap changes the most, and as far as I know, they have been discussing this for a long time.
All "we" as users have to do is press the subscribe button.
If you look in the other thread you'll see there's a bunch of community members (myself included) concerned that this decision signals a decline in the standards to which it is moderated. The moderator team has given assurances that this won't happen, but that raises the question of why this change is even necessary.
Additionally there's the concern that this decision will further centralise control over lemmy in a small number of instances.
Then there's the fact that 196 is kinda redundant on .world given that multiple shitposting comms already exist there.
Furthermore, instead of locking down the existing community when they moved over here, the mod team could have appointed new members who don't have a problem with the manner in which the blahaj lemmy instance is moderated. There's clearly users who want to stay there, and some who won't move over here.
I belive that only a small percentile of people really care about this.
If enough people are so angry then they will make their own community over at blahaj.zone and proof me wrong but if not, then I guess there probably wasn't enough demand.
Being able to just leave and set up and run a Community the way you like it is the backbone and the biggest strength of the Fediverse!
Then there’s the fact that 196 is kinda redundant on .world given that multiple shitposting comms already exist there.
The move to .world was not to cater to some demand, it was as far as I know, mostly because of disagreement with the instance Admin/ Owner.
If enough people are so angry then they will make their own community over at blahaj.zone and proof me wrong but if not, then I guess there probably wasn’t enough demand.
They already have their community, it's 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
This is part of the deal you make when joining a community with active mods, admins, and rules. Not everything is up for debate. I know firsthand that this can be quite frustrating sometimes, but we can't act like everything else has always been subject to election up to this point. It simply was not.
And again:
Being able to just leave and set up and run a community the way you like it is the backbone and the biggest strength of the Fediverse!
Start a community and run it the way you like! Expand the Fediverse! Make a place truly your own! You can do that with an ease that was unheard of before. The only thing you can't do is force people to act the way you want them to.
Start a community and run it the way you like! Expand the Fediverse! Make a place truly your own!
Perfect, and then the mods will lock it down and move to an instance I dislike.
There's a reason yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com exists. One strength of the Fediverse is indeed that the community belong to the users.
You realize you would be the mod if you start a community, right?
Perfect, and then the mods will lock it down and move to an instance I dislike.
When you create a community, you are the mod of the community you created, and you can choose to move or stay. So I don't know which mods you are talking about.
One strength of the Fediverse is indeed that the community belongs to the users.
Yes, by being able to leave and create your own community. You can even run your own instance, giving you total control over everything on it.
Sorry, let me rephrase it: "Perfect, and then I will lock it down and move it to an instance a majority of the community members dislike."
If you want to do this, do it, but then you have no right to criticize.
You can also set your community rules to something like "Big decisions affecting the whole community must be backed by a public vote." This is what I mean by making the place entirely your own.
I belive [sic] that only a small percentile of people really care about this.
Maybe you're right about that. But given how badly the post and most of the mods' comments are getting ratio'd in that thread, I'm inclined to disagree.
Could be!
The only thing we can do is wait and see what happens. Maybe this 196 goes down and everyone moves to another. Maybe not. It's always a question of, "Did it bother you enough to stop using it?" For me, the answer is "no." Maybe for some, the answer is "yes." I can't tell.
Both asked their communities before moving. As respect and politeness towards their members.
Hey don't say everything was perfect the way it went down. A heads up would have been nice for sure! But moss and the modteam did not broke any rules (that I'm aware of) by doing it this way, neither on blahaj.zone nor an lemmy.world.
You can see this other example on android@lemmy.world
Okay? Thank you for showing me.
But what are you trying to tell me with this? That other People do something diffrent than others?
android@lemmy.world ended up reopening after it was arbitrary closed to promote another community, without prior consultation, creating dissatisfaction among the users similar to what we are seeing here.
Hopefully this is what will happen here too.
Okay? Thank you for this insight into Lemmy history.
If you don't ask the community first, then what you're doing is not "moving the community", it's just abandoning the community and starting a new one
"we" as users
They didn't know they're on the team at the time of comment
Nah they're not new to the team
Feddit.de has been down for ages.
Have you considered not trying to forcibly migrate a community from one instance to another (without community consensus), and instead building a community with its own merits?
People really don't like it when a single mod decides to make decisions for the whole community without the support of the community.
That's why i support taking 196 away from Ada's control
Did Ada's actions not have the support of the community or did they not have the support of the mod team? (different things)
Well considering she banned all dissenters it's pretty hard to guage dissent.
If the initial rule change announcement is taken as a sample then more than half of those comments were removed, so based on that it doesn't seem like Ada has the support of the real community, ahe just kicked out half the community.
All dissenters? Or do you just have a distorted view of things because you personally were banned?
If you expressed you did not agree with the decision your account was banned.
So why did we move here?
So why did *they move us here? I didn't see any attempt at community input.
some longstanding issues with how blahaj.zone is run. I'll elaborate more once the transfer settles down.
Doesn't world have the single most complained about mod team on Lemmy outside of ml and hexbear?
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world, right?
yes, but our community is backed by the head admin. if we start having problems, I have a direct line to the top.
So you moved the community to another instance without any kind of community consultation (that I can see) and can’t even tell us why? The lack of transparency is a bit concerning.
the lack of transparency is primarily due to not wanting to burn bridges with anyone. sometimes disagreements should stay private.
You’re trading off burning bridges against demonstrating that people can trust your judgement, which I think is essential if you expect people to migrate and prevent blowing up the community.
Aw, that’s a shame. I feel like it reduces instance diversity. With that said, I’m sure you have your reasons. I’m certainly not informed on the subject.
while I do agree that it reduces instance diversity, due to the size of our community, many small instances were apprehensive about taking our community on. it is unfortunate that Lemmy.world is so centralized, but when it comes to a community of our size it is to our benefit
No rule in title? Believe it or not, straight to ban!
fixed
Yikes
any and all terfs from threads or otherwise will be banned. if threads is added as a federated instance, we will simply add them to our list of probation instances in the rules alongside lemmygrad and hexbear. in addition, the way we run our community does not count as enforcing a narrative. because that rule does not apply to us, we do not have to deal with it.
My first reaction was "ew" and after reading into the reasons I still don't agree but I respect it. I'm a bit thrown off by there not having been any discussion of this before if it has been "ongoing for months", though I'm mostly a lurker and maybe I have just missed it.
It honestly looks and feels so wrong but fuck it we ball I guess.
I didn't hold a poll, because unlike other changes we've made to this community this does not affect our policy nor ethos. while the community is now being hosted on a different instance, we are running it exactly the same as we did on blahaj.zone.
See now kids, that's how the real ones like me do ban evasion.
Don't go back to the place. Just wait till the place comes to you.
Yee i got perma'd from old 196 bc I dared to repost an article about election fraud that got deleted. Admitted it turned out to prob not be real, said I wouldn't do it again, but nope, I said something against Trump so instant permaban straight from Ada. Good riddance :3
Busy modlog: https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=1051855
Yee, I used this account a lot for venting frustrations in shitty toxic ways. I'm getting better and I'm trying not to be as shitty on here as I have been
Fyi, you were banned on 2024-10-07 due to these comments:
📞 yo i think its netanyahu callin, you gonna pick up or? Link
yes Link
This obviously has nothing to do with 2024 US presidential elections Link
Don't worry, I'll let the ban evasion slide 😉
I'm aware which of my comments contributed to me being banned, and I know everyone can see them, and I'm not afraid to say that I did nothing that would justify the permban.
Okay, I get it, these may be considered kind of xenophobic-ish-esque-uhh-not-really, but come on dudes. That's just banter.
Yeah, it's fine don't worry about it
Same. I don't even know why I was banned xD
🤔 can't imagine why
spoiler
Thanks, the ban is back now
As a long time community member, I hope .world doesn't defederate from .ml. This instance has always been "reddity". This community has always been one of my favorites. I'd hate to lose it.
Can someone tell me why we are moving and why I should care?
I'm too busy spamming shitposts to pay much attention.
Mods are power tripping.
Members of the current community moved to onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Yeah one mod decided she was the vocie of the entire community and decided trolls were more important than real users.
Good thing this place was able to escape her clutches lol
hmmm
I just happened to see this sub in local and joined. Glad to be here regardless!
Why did you migrate?
Hello
Hello
Hello
🎉🎊
I see you're getting a lot of criticism so I felt the need to say I support the decision.
The idea behind Lemmy is that users can be a part of any instance they want and not be a part of any instance they don't. The same communities can exist on multiple instances and users can subscribe to all of them, some of them, or none of them. Mods are users too so I see no shame in instance hopping. As a user of Lemmy.ca, literally nothing changes for me besides the words after the "@"
To emphasize how little things changed for me, I was actually already subscribed to this community before the announcement was made. I will continue to stay subscribed to the other community on lemmy.blahaj.zone as well. Nothing has changed for me and my subscribed feed.
I will continue to stay subscribed to the other community on lemmy.blahaj.zone as well.
The place the mods said would be taking to "mod only" and thus effectively closed and useless for everyone?
Instance admins have total control over the communities on their instance. The admin can appoint themselves or anyone else as a moderator and unlock the community, so there's a chance there will be more posts. If not, that's fine too! I'm subscribed to a fair amount of communities that are no longer active. It doesn't change anything as I scroll through my subscription feed!
If they dont want to be mods under a specific instance, thats fine. Whats not fine announcing the community will be archived and locked, move to (insert instance here) for this community going forward, with functionally zero warning or even a damned poll about it
You can create your own community on lemmy.blahaj.zone! There's nothing preventing you from doing that. Lemmy is designed specifically for this scenario. If you do create one, I'd subscribe to it! It doesn't matter to me where the content is coming from as long as it's content I like. I'll subscribe to a dozen versions of 196. Nothing changes for me.
Except the 196 community is being squatted on with a permanent redirect to here. I can respect not wanting to mod on a specific instance, but forcing everyone to move (over stepping down as mod and setting up shop somewhere else), especially out of the blue without consulting with the community, feels pretty shitty. The mods personally might not enjoy the instance's moderation policy, but I think large parts of the community do! At least leave the space for the people who don't want to migrate
Then they can literally make their own Community in minutes. This is the strength of the Fediverse!
Moss and the Mod-Team are the ones to call this shot and they did.
It's their shot to call to move themselves. Telling everyone else to move feels shitty. I imagine a lot of people will prefer to stay on blahaj, so we'll likely have to create a c/197 or something. It would've been so much easier to just hand over the reigns to someone else, put up a post with "hey, the core mod team is moving, you can find us over here", and let community members decide which one, or both, communities they feel better about participating in. From the reactions on the blahaj post, not many community members agree with this move.
It is also their shot to move the Commnity.
If there are so many people angry about this, a new community will soon emerge. The only thing "lost" if people over at blahaj.zone create 197 would be the number of subscribers. And when so many people are so upset about the change, you could assume they would willingly flock to this new community. Like People did with risa@startrek.website and tenforward@lemmy.world.
But if this doesn’t happen, it would mean that people are not angry enough to make such a move or just don't care enough about a change like that. For example, I don't really care at all. I was already subscribed here and didn't even notice anything at first. But if they had moved to lemmy.ml (for example), I would have cared enough not to follow and maybe even start my own 196.
You spot the difference between that comparison and the current case tho, right? Both Startrek communities are still unlocked and flourishing. By all means, make a new 196 on .world if you prefer it. But don't lock the old one for people who can't, or don't want to, move. That's just petty.
Both Startrek communities are still unlocked and flourishing.
risa@startrek.website has 33 Users per day.
tenforward@lemmy.world has 1.57K Users per day.
Both have posts recently. And anyone can go on either community and post or comment something right now. Is size the most important metric? Reddit has millions of active users
Is size the most important metric?
It seems so. Because that would be the only real difference to a completely new community or did I miss something?
Very quick question: does a community belong to its mods or its members?
This is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect the opinions of Moss or any other person on the mod team, or even anyone else in general:
I believe the community on Lemmy, "the page" if you like, belongs to the admin/founder of the community.
The community, "the people," belong to themselves. We are no livestock, after all.
So while I say the admin of "the page" can do with their page as they like (assuming there are no other rules in place forbidding them from doing so, either at the community or instance level), I believe that it's everyone's own choice to come, go, leave, or stay.
I, for one, would not have followed 196 to lemmy.ml, for example (I know this would never happen, but lemmy.ml is the only non-defederated instance I don't like). And if people don't want to follow 196 to .world, it's their choice. But it's the admin's choice to move "the page" there.
Preventing people from using the previous community seems overreacting.
They could just have moved to LW and kept the Blahaj version open.
Perhaps. We will all know more once Moss gets back to my message :)
And I would postpone until then :D
Okay then. Moss+team didn't create 196 on LBZ. Someone else did, then abandoned it. Ada gave them mod so the community could be reactivated. Now that they don't want to moderate 196 on LBZ anymore, would it not be justified for someone else to take over, instead of locking it down? So far, I haven't seen a single argument in favor of the lock down. Lei the people who want to leave, leave, end everyone else stay. Or both. That's the beauty of the fediverse.
Startrek.website is known for power tripping, which is why the new community was created: https://lemmy.world/post/10461985
Yes, and because they were unhappy with how the moderation was handled, they left and made their own community. Which is always a possibility. This is exactly my point! :D
But this is a different situation.
In Star Trek, members were unhappy with the moderation and created their own community.
For 196, the members are happy with the community, the mods want to change instances for "reasons". They could leave the old community open and let the admin organize the follow up, but instead they lock it down, preventing any of the happy members to take over.
In Star Trek, members were unhappy with the moderation and created their own community.
And as far as I know, the mod team was unhappy how blahaj.zone was moderrated and moved their community.
Creating a new community isn't necessary. Admin could transfer control of the existing one to a new mod team if the current one can't be arsed running it.
Since I just realised that I became a Mod here (when did this even happend? Is there no notification or something?)
I can ask. But it's still their choice. Maybe they want to move as much members as possible, maybe they want to keep it as some sort of archive. Maybe this was part of the Deal with Ada? I don't know. The only thing I can offer you is to ask. Would that be okay?
Yeah, I suspect you're right and that the intent is to bring as much of the existing userbase across as possible, but it'd be nice to know what's going on. It's entirely possible they did reach out to people privately and nobody wanted to moderate 196@LBZ, but I doubt it.
Whatever the case may be, I would appreciate it if you could get an answer as to why that was the course of action chosen.
No Problem! :D Now that I figured out that I'm also Part of the Team I feel a bit more confidend to ask :P
I just send a Message and will Post here as soon as I know more :D
Thank you. Really. A lot of folks do seem pretty miffed at the general lack of communication on this topic.
Hey! There was an Update. Not to my Message but to the Situation in general.
https://lemmy.world/post/24479762
If there is anything else let me know. I just want this drama to be over q_q
Yeah, ik. Thanks.
Keep us posted, genuinely curious what their answer if's going to be 😄
As soon as I get an answer, I'll let you know :D As I said, I feel a heads-up with "why, what, and how" before the move would have spared us all some trouble, but now it is what it is, and I will try to provide some answers.
it is what it is
I'm really not sure the majority of members of the community agree with that statement, but let's see!
Hey! I don't got a "personal" Answer, but there was an Update Post.
(I just saw you there but felt the need to "honor" our agreement)
You can create your own community on lemmy.blahaj.zone!
That's seriously underestimating the time it takes to create a new community if the old community isn't on board. football@lemmy.world recently moved to Football@lemm.ee , but the mods made sure to ping everyone to inform them of the change.
Not allowing members to take over the former community seems power tripping.
I don't get why people are so angry. I was subscribed to 196 for the Vibes and The memes not because it is on a specific instance. .__.
A lot of people were happy with Blahaj being very protective of queer people.
If it was working well, why break it?
Blahaj is still there, though; it's just the community that's moving.
I only know what was written in the post—something about the "jurisdiction" of community mods/admins and instance admins and how hard to punish people.
Other than that? I don't know either.
I, for one, welcome this move.
I've just read the other Post at blahaj.zone and now I want to give you (and your team) some encouragement!
Lots of People are upset but I'm not one of them. I like 196 for the Vibes and the memes not the Instance. Some People act like the Instance was THE THING why people subscribed. And (at least for me) it was not. It was literally the only Community (I'm aware of) I subscribed to on blahaj.zone.
And I also agree with you that some Moderation decisions were a bit.... Questionable.
Keep up the good work and don't let the other Folks drag you down, there is always grumbling when things change! 🌈
they were already a mod on lemmy.blahaj.zone
Did you tell them that??? Judging by the conversation we had, that fact appears to have come as somewhat of a surprise.
The plot thickens
There were so much aware they didn't remember https://lemmy.world/comment/14557944
That's gold ha ha
apparently they were unaware that they'd been appointed, but I couldn't pass up this opportunity.
Seems like the mods are looking for any support they can find in this thread
I just hope I didn't do a bad Job and discredited the other mods with my Replies .__.
I just kept writing from my own point of view :o
I hope not lol. Funny though I think the situation is, I did believe you when you said you didn't know.
btw it looks like your (now disused?) feddit.de account is on the mod team in the LBZ comm. were you maybe a 196 mod in the past and kinda forgot about it when you switched accounts? idk
The whole Feddit.de instance died under some mysterious circumstances.
The owner of the Instance left for a Work trip to South east Asia and never came back. At least he never came back online. Then the instance started to have some technical trouble which we couldn't fix without the owner. After continued degeneration we moved all communitys to feddit.org. I can't even log into my feddit.de account anymore because it's so broken.
Even the domain feddit.de is broken.
And since .world is not really popular over at blahaja.zone I felt like there would be some trouble if I tried to become Mod with my Main Account.
And since .world is not really popular over at blahaja.zone I felt like there would be some trouble if I tried to become Mod with my Main Account.
are you cis?
Afaik he was added later but yes, it does look really weird
Wait y'all just appoint mods like that?
No, they were already part of the team on blahaj. We aren't just appointing everyone who agrees with us in this thread, in that case our team would have grown by like a whole 3 members
Oof. If for nothing else, I can admire your honesty for this one comment alone 💀
Oh okay well then we go back to the "you and your team" praise looking weird when they're uh, part of it lmao
That's fair
thanks! I agree with a lot of what you said