It won't have a positive effect I'll tell you that. Just look at Brazil.. I'm pretty sure they got the idea to storm the congress from Trump..
The truth is that many democracies is getting weaker and there is a reason for that. Democracy is very weak and that's why it takes so much to keep it at place. One autocratic leader is enough to break it. We saw it in Germany before the war and it migh as well happen in the US if we're not careful. Another win for Trump might be the end for democracy in the US.
Do you know the sad part of this? There is so few republicans that openly criticize Trump. Of the few that has they have all been quited and removed from their positions. We are seeing the rise of facism in the US and people shout "USA, USA USA".. they are so fucking blind. I hope for the US peoples sake that they do not elect Trump, and I hope in the next 10 years we will see the formation of a new party that can become the new republican party for those that do not wish facism because that's where the US is going with Trump.
I just cannot belive how history is repeating itself.
I just cannot belive how history is repeating itself.
This is what is doing my tits in. It's so fucking frustrating and maddening watching America go through this shit. It's unbelievable.
I just try to remember that there are good people in America, and I hope they prevail.
I really hope they do too.
I’m surrounded every day by willfully ignorant people who haven’t taken the time to even think about all of this shit. They wait for some asshole to tell them what to think.
I’ll never forget the fear on their faces on January 6th. Sure, some of them were excited, big wide shit eating grins across their faces. Most of them were terrified.
All of them said the same thing pretty quickly after it happened no matter how they felt. “It was ain-tee-fuh. They trying to make us look bad.”
I just say, “well, look these people up and call them antifa. Tell me what they say. Most of them put their views on full display on the internet. It’s easy to look if you want to.”
I get a lot of it though. All the talk about “fake news” makes people feel like everything they see is a lie. I doubt myself pretty often because I’m always afraid some propaganda got me.
What Trump did was obvious. He did it in plain sight. People don’t even trust their own eyes any more.
Scary shit.
Seeing scores of people calling for public executions is what really gets to me. If they get real power a lot of people are going to die.
I just cannot belive how history is repeating itself.
I wouldn't put it exactly that way, because history isn't a person, an actor.
People are actors.
Those who have not learnt from history, they have to repeat it.
The hope was that enough people had learned to sound the alarm. We'll, the alarm was sounded and nobody listened.
It's not enough to learn history. Apparently, you have to live it.
Apparently, you have to live it
No truer words.
Most who have lived it are dead.
Democracy is very weak and that's why it takes so much to keep it at place. One autocratic leader is enough to break it. We saw it in Germany before the war
It wasn't "one autocratic leader" who broke democracy in Weimar Germany. Most of the judges, civil servants, parties and people were not happy with the transition from the German empire. Democracy breaks when nobody cares about it anymore. For Germany, this was most evident in the Prussian coup, when the state illegaly replaced the Prussian government, and nothing happened in response. This was taken to court and Prussia did have some success with it, but generally the deed was done. Imagine that during the next US elections it gets decided that California voted for the Republicans, and that goes through without much fuss. That is what causes democracies to fall, apathetic people and institutions, especially the latter. It's the institutions that stand guard, like in 2019 when the Supreme Court declared Boris Johnson's suspension of the parliament unlawful.
That's not to say that democracy isn't weakening globally, it's just that this idea that Germany became a dictatorship because this one charismatic leader came and broke democracy is wrong. The Nazis, while not irrelevant in any sense, were not the main driving force behind Weimar Germany before 1933. The very reason Hitler became a chancellor was because the unelected conservative government thought that they could easily control him. The erosion of democracies happens in the institutions and people's will, the autocratic leader just strikes the final blow.
You are completely right that's not as easy as that, but it boils down to Hitler getting elected. It's a very simplification of what you wrote but I want to thank you for your input as I'm not at all that knowledgeable around history.
I just cannot belive how history is repeating itself.
You mean the history of the democrats manufacturing race issues to divide people to gain more power and claim anyone against them is against democracy
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/15/editorial-a-little-history-of-politically-correct/
This is the actual threat to democracy but we can't talk about that because they are the "good guys"
I’m not worried about Donald trump I’m worried about the next generation of politicians that will follow his blueprints.
Augustus only became emperor after Caesar who only became dictator after Sulla.
Every time the government’s institutions are bent it gets a little easier for the next person
Yeah.. Someone that is actually smart? Jesue.
It's not just Trump. When things are bad people tend to turn to autocrats. As climate change get worse: food prices go up, more migrants flee failing countries, QoL goes down, etc, all this will lead to more autocrats who say they will fix everything.
Totally agree. Demonizing one single person is failing to analyze the issue and spot the real problem. Citizens are overwhelmed and unsatisfied, they look for alternatives and do not believe they have the power to change anything through rebellion. Some politicians are just unscrupulous enough to leverage this to their profit.
Wouldn't an interesting alternative angle to this be to observe the Chinese government, or even more aptly, the North Korean government? What happens as those circumstances strain even the authoritarian governments? What do people already under autocrats turn to?
I suppose the answers are likely numerous and dark regarding what happens to those that try to turn towards anything else, but it's an interesting perspective to consider in light of things...
Once Elon Musk returns him to Twitter, we will have the "bar and grill of all the world's journalist" for the past 15 years become a black hole of old news story history. The symbolic tactics that are under play are massive. Reality has been rejected on a massive scale via electric media.... Dans un sens, c'est le système entier qui, par sa fragilité interne, prête main-forte à l'action initiale. Plus le système se concentre mondialement, ne constituant à la limite qu'un seul réseau
Trump followers can't even see how the former mayor of NYC has lost his mind. They meet at 4 seasons gardening.
Musk already allowed him back on Twitter. He declined to return, I guess because he has his own loser website and is, obviously, very obstinate.
Fox allowing him hours a day of direct speech....
I think he’s already ruined democracy and it’s just a slide into despotism at this point.
No, but it'll certainly do a number on America and its relationships with the world.
I am tired of politics on my feed even in non-political communities
For real, why do these lemmings have to drag politics into places like this? I don't want this community to become a toxic cesspool, ask this question on a political community.
no, it won't.
I'd say so, you got Trump we got his mini me Boris Johnston.
Who is that then?
That sounds like a name of a random nobody and someone who isn't an MP because they got in a massive strop when they were told they are not allowed to break the law.
No, no. It's not like he'd have access to launching the nukes or anything. Checks Notes Oh Shiiiiiit
most seemingly sane countries have a significant and growing portion of the voters voting for some variation of the right wing populist contrarian theme, with varying amounts of straight up fascism mixed in. Another Trump win would empower those voters even more
My magic 8 ball says all signs point to yes.
I don't think so. I think Democracy globally is a lot safer currently since Putin bit off more than he could chew with Ukraine. They probably should have just stuck to psy-ops and cyber warfare since they were doing quite well with them with regard to throwing monkey wrenches (and big orange monkeys) into world politics.
I don't care about what a Trump re-election will do to the world. The civil war that happens after the fact will make it impossible for us to hear global news for years, anyway.
Democracy is too strong to be ruined this easily.
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No. American politics are essentially meaningless to most countries outside of the US. It will probably have the reaction to western countries to have an even stronger anti-American sentiment though.
I agree but at the same time it has an impact.. So I wouldn't say that it doesn't at least get noticed. And here in my country we heard about Trump 24/7... So I have to disagree with you on this one.
US has the tools to meddle and support radical movements. Even if other countries don't want to care.
As someone living in Europe, strongly disagree. US politics heavily impact our politics.
I disagree. There are large groups of (lower class) people who consume mostly American media, e.g. through Facebook and it does have an effect. American politics are copied in Europe.
maybe a benevolent dictator is our best timeline?
No.
The ones saying "ruin democracy" are just parroting what the democrats leaders are saying. They don't want a fair vote in case he gets in how is that democratic at all?
No. It won't ruin democracy here, either.
Would definitely be better than what we have now. BY FAR !!! Right now we look we, our economy is horrible for the middle class and below and were taking care of people from other countries before ourselves. you cant only help others when youre not whole yourself for very long.
How so?
I wasn't the biggest fan of electing Biden, but 4 years of trump was too much. While I haven't been a fan of some of his policies, he has by far exceeded my expectations.
I don't love having an elderly person as president again, but he's done, in my eyes, a solid enough job comparably.
What, pray tell, has he done that would make you prefer Trump?
Imagine spending LESS on the military and MORE on the people in your country then! You spend less than 1 percent of your budget for humanitarian reasons.