Can we agree we need to get these meek fuckers out of leadership
1y 3mon ago by lemmy.sdf.org/u/wreel in progressivepolitics from www.nbcnews.com
Absolutely useless
Call your senators, they can still block this despite Schumers push. The vote is tomorrow. If all republican vote for it, they need 7 dems. 8 with Rand Paul who has said he'll vote no. (Republicans are not using reconciliation so it needs the the filibuster)
Many senate dems are publicly coming out against voting for cloture (meaning they won't vote to let it get through the filibuster). As of what I last read, around 11 10 dems are thought to potentially vote to let it pass filibuster. Most of those are still not sure. We only need a handful more of those to become noes and it will get blocked. Some yeses have flipped to noes because of public pressure. We cannot let up now
Link to find direct numbers your senators
https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm
Or call the capitol switch board (202) 224-3121
House dems are publicly telling the senate not to do this (and it's not just AOC on this - it's quite a few of them). Earlier read that 7 Dem state AGs are saying the same. Federal worker unions are telling senate dems not do this. Keep the pressure up
One thing to keep in mind though...
I was outraged a minute ago, but now I'm not sure.
When the government is shut down, so are the courts, and we need them.
How one branch is capable to shut down apparently a co-equal branch of the government?
Not immediately
Unlike executive branch agencies, the federal courts can continue operations for about two weeks following a government shutdown. When a shutdown loomed in September 2019, the U.S. federal courts confirmed they could use reserve or carryover funds accumulated from various revenue sources not dependent on Congress, such as case filing fees. When courts are on notice that a government shutdown may be looming, they can take steps to conserve funds by deferring non-critical expenses — for example, by curbing travel, new hires, and certain contracts.
Plus voting in favor of this CR would be codifying much of what these cases are about. Many of the illegal spending cuts would become legal until September making the cases moot.
It would also fuck over DC local government in a way the executive branch cannot easily do. Congress can control DC budgets but very little of the DC budget comes from federal money (<1%) where Trump could mess with. The CR has a clause to cut $1 billion from their budget despite that not saving the federal government any money
That's a good point. Looks like both ways are bad, but voting yes, still looks worse.
Indeed, there's a reason the Federal Worker Unions are saying to vote against the CR despite the likely shutdown that would entail
Plus it would teach senate Republicans that they can do basically whatever they want as long as they threaten a shutdown. You have to stand up strong to bullies it's the only thing they understand
Which are the 11?
Turns out it was actually 10 as I accidentally counted Cortez Masto as two people whoops
Schumer, Hassan, Peters, Durbin, Schatz, King, Shaheen, Fetterman, Cortez Masto and Gillibrand
https://bsky.app/profile/joshtpm.bsky.social/post/3lkbxyja44s2c
In terms of what's more confirmed by statement and such here's one tracker that seems to somewhat regularly update
The DNC is a zionist first organization. Members winning is secondary to zionist rule over America.
Yeah, they're not meek or cowards.
They bravely stand up to their own base.
What is this from?
Even if they are a tankie, they’re still putting forth a valid criticism.
Tankies don't belong in US Politics. Supporters of Russia and China don't have a say in what is best for the USA.
no one is this meek. this is collusion. they're complicit, and it's not by accident. they've always been this way.
Democratic politicians suck up Super PAC money the same as Republicans. It's just that Republicans just do other forms of corruption out in the open because they know their voters are too stupid to notice.
Trump scamming people with memecoin currency, MAGA doesn't care.
This is the correct take. Dems are owned by corporations, conservatives are owned by oligarchs (and corporations, but I don't think corporations are too happy with what's going on with Trump and Musk)
And Musk and Trump are just mad that everyone thinks they are weird spoiled assholes, so they are seeking revenge on..everyone.
Bingo
It’s really hard to remove bought politicians when it’s the rule and not the exception
That's why I am 99% certain America gets a civil war. When half the population are so mentally ill that they support Trump, and the other half so brainwashed they blame progressives for Trump — the only group that has consistently warned that conservatism and neoliberalism will result in fascism — you can't simply "deprogram" them.
One major reason Europe rebounded after WW2 is because the vast majority of fascist "true believers" died in the war, and fascist leadership was executed. Europe essentially had a political and sociological "reset". Without that, America's cancer will continue to grow and fester. If civil war does not happen, or the fascists win it, the world gets US fascist imperialism and WW3 in the 2030's; give or take a few years.
Only if you play by the rules.
I've often been a defender of Democrats being realistic, but Schumer is on some bullshit here.
It’s unclear what, if anything, Schumer got in return for his decision to allow the House bill to proceed
Says it all right there. The Republican bill was just a list of laughably insane things they knew Democrats would oppose so they could blame the shutdown on them. It actually cuts funding of DC's local budget forcing them to fire teachers and even cops. Again, nothing to do with the federal government. It just grabs power from a local government and says that they can't use their own local tax revenues to educate kids and fight crime. It's complete rabid insanity that has no point other than to bully a blue city. And Schumer's like "Sure, ok. whatever."
The budget also cuts medicare and medicaid by some pretty substantial amounts, among many other government programs.
This is the CR. This allows for more time to work on that budget... which only needs 51 votes because of reconciliation.
Ah, ok. Kind of weird that they would even bother with a CR when they could just move the debt ceiling with the budget proposal? Still, a weight is lifted knowing that it isn't coming to pass right away.
People say nobody becomes a billionaire without exploiting workers. Nobody becomes that powerful in Congress without breaking rules. Trump is a gangster. His people have dirt on him and probably most everyone. The Republican know when to call in the favors to get what they want. Chuck has no choice but to follow along. Maybe they will let him live he thinks. Maybe he hopes he can get away with what is maybe worse than we know or think he’s done.
It will be interesting to see how and when the future views the end of the US and democracy. It’s probably already happened. We just don’t see it that way.
The US has no form of vote of no confidence. So therefore no way to have consequences for bad governing outside of the voting period, which has its own problems. Importantly here is the need for quick backlash rather than wait two or more years to choose someone else (if there is anyone else allowed to be a pick).
A lot of the flaws in the government are inherent from the beginning because there were certain expectations assumed, and that a document of rules can't be perfect the first, second, or even only a third time. It needs consistent revisions to keep up with the needs of the group it is designed for. This is where the biggest failure has happened, and can be attributed to lack of attention, not wanting to change what seems to work, sacred holding of what was never meant to be set in stone, or just that it often benefited not being changed at the time by those with the power to change it.
Add to all that a very short attention spanned public, fine tuned to be ignorant and forgetful as well as easily manipulated by the simplest of sound bites.
The rot is in the walls. Not that the American Experiment was a bad thing, it's just that it wasn't maintained and updated, so you get eventual decay.
Kevin McCarthy would still be the house leader if that were 100% true. Congressional leadership can changed with enough intrer-party pressure. Schumer is highly unlikely to face any expulsion vote from congress, but he could more realistically be stripped of leadership position. This is a breaking point that might actually build that pressure and we can play a roll in that by calling your senators.
Not delaying Trump's nominees with all tools (only some of them) isn't nearly serious as him pushing to give up the one piece of genuine dem leverage until September for basically no gain. Directed pressure - not on social media - but in places senators can see will let us do it. That means calling them, emailing them, hell even faxing, showing up in person to their office and town halls, etc.
Also do this for the bill vote itself too before tomorrow morning. See my comment about we can still block this vote
Only if you’re ready for a decades long campaign to flip towns, cities, districts, and state level legislatures like it took the republicans from 1972 to just a month ago.
That’s what we’re up against.
The US needs to break the two-party system so minor parties and independents actually have a chance at representation.
Of course there's no incentive for the establishment to do that. Is there any way for new candidates to run with the major parties, but on a platform to introduce preferential voting when they have the numbers? I don't know much about factions within US parties, but they certainly exist in my country, and can transform parties quickly if they think they have election-winning appeal.
It would have to happen bottom-up, as you say, so people can get comfortable with such a big change. Also, people are much more likely to elect independents at a local level.
Gotta move to direct voting.
I’d throw my vote behind the naarp
We're not going to give Donald Trump what he wants, so we're going to pass this spending bill that gives him everything he wants! That'll how 'im!
Donald Trump wants the courts to stop overturning his random EOs. A shutdown would close the courts.
So we should just give him everything he asked for on a silver platter with no resistance whatsoever and not offer any meaningful alternatives?
It's like invading Iraq when a bunch of Saudis that hate Iraq attack you. You have to ask yourself "is this exactly what they want me to do?" And then "If I want my revenge, whom should I attack and how?"
Attacking federal workers on behalf of Trump is not the way to "Stand up to Trump"
You know that's a really good point, maybe I was too quick to react.
I love how these conversations happen many times every session, but then campaign time comes and everyone calls me a Russian asset for reminding people of what the "Blue No Matter Who" mentality gets you.
The time to have that conversation is before and during the primaries. After that, it's not a worthwhile conversation.
The message isn't the issue, your timing is.
How long do I have to wait for this to work? It's been 25 years of voting blue no matter who and Republicans are just getting more and more power. When do we get to say that's a failed strategy? When there's no elections anymore or when there's only one party on the ballot?
Oh, wait, that happens a ton already because Democrats are fucking useless. Three seats on my 2024 ballot had Republicans running unopposed.
It HAS worked. Do you know how bad it would've been had we had Republican after Republican?? It would've been project 2000.
Damage has been mitigated. Progress has been made. If you don't appreciate that, then I'm happy for you because it means you are well of enough to not notice.
So it works when a fascist is elected eventually rather than immediately.
Gotcha.
And exercise doesn't prevent death, only extends life. Better not bother.
Way ahead of you.
But if all we can hope for is death, I don't see a point in participating. Society is awful, people are terrible, and I can't see the stars. And there's literally nothing I can do to fix this, just bang my head against a wall.
I don't see the point in trying to make things better anymore.
I hear ya. I had the same feeling of futility for a long while.
I got rid of it by getting out of the house and meeting little who think like me in real life. Going to protests and school board meetings has helped me not think it's useless.
And showing up to those things let's you push back on those who are pushing the wrong way. If you can't gain ground, slow them down. Make it expensive for them to hurt us.
I’ve tried that. They don’t think like me. I can mask really well because I’m in sales but those people are almost as alien as MAGAs. And not just politically, but socially and culturally.
Youy know why Schumer said he wouldnt fight and voted with the republicans?
"Harm reduction".
Sound familiar?
He's a failure.
Harm reduction isn't 100% of possible harm reduction.
I'm not saying they're good. I'm saying they're useful and sometimes not horrible.
LOL
What primaries? The Democrats invented superdelegates to subvert democracy in the primary process, and then argued in court in Florida that it was their right to do so when they were sued for it.
Good point. Better to do nothing then. Give up.
Or get more involved in the only party with a chance and change them from the inside?
No, that sounds like work. Forget it.
It is a good point, and I'm not advocating for doing nothing, just acknowledging that change via the Democrats is impossible. Unless you've been asleep for 40 years, you're well aware that real, meaningful change is impossible in this party duopoly, and nothing underscores that more than running a publicly brain-dead man and the entire "progressive" party apparatus lining up behind him in order to suit his fragile, stupid ego.
What I advocate for is doing good with one's own two hands, because that's always possible. Be willing to pick up dog shit even if it's not yours. When someone in your building asks for a favor, be generous with your time. When ICE comes knocking, and they will, find that maybe you have difficulty remembering things. (And if you really want to underscore how shitty the Democrats are, remember that Tom Homan was also Obama's guy.)
I agree. But my point is that the Democrats are the only tool we have at the moment within the government.
We have plenty of tools outside of the government, and you're 100% right that we should use those as well.
But let's not throw out the one tool we have inside the government. Let's improve it so it's useful.
That's the thing, we don't.
The Democrats in Washington do not give a fuck about you, me, our families, or anyone else. They exist to do performative things and make nice speeches, then go vote in a manner that can be charitably called conservative but more often enables fascism. For example, remember when they did their nice little stunt kneeling in Congress with their African wear? Those same Democrats linked up behind Biden when he wanted to militarize the police even more.
The only power you or I have is local unless you're willing to commit an extraordinary act of vigilantism or you're a billionaire. That's it.
So join local Democrat groups
Democrats blame progressives for their losses.
Progressives don't exactly show up to vote
Great. Really courting that progressive vote with comments like this.
Do we have Democrats as a tool inside the government? Are you sure they aren't another of the oligarchs' tools?
It's both. And they're the most likely group that we could turn to our purposes.
Let’s improve it so it’s useful.
The devils in the details of that vague proposal. So, sure I guess.
A broken tool is no tool at all
/c/im14andthisisdeep
I can tell you've never had to sweep or shovel with something when half the haft is gone. Or tear the lid off a garbage can because the mechanism to lift the lid stopped working.
That's what I've always had to work with when it comes to representatives in this country. It's cuz you and your neo liberal Democratic friends think the rest of us don't deserve working equipment. Only your Rich donors do.
Do you actually think the person you're replying to has a bunch of neoliberal Dem friends? Do you really believe they have rich donors?
I see this here on lemmy a lot and I'm sorry to tell you no one with the power to do anything is here so you're wasting your energy lecturing. But you got to feel smug and superior so I guess that's something.
It doesn't matter whether they do personally, what matters is that they're carrying the flag for those that do. He believes what they believe. He does what they tell them. What difference is it to me if he's just a dupe or not?. That ideology should just be allowed to spread without challenge? Who does that serve except the neoliberal elite?
Seems like you're just assuming a lot of stuff about someone and that's not at all how I interpreted their statement. Have a nice one.
depends on what you mean by, " get more involved in the only party"
If you mean gut the dems and start over with 100% new leadership and without being at the behest of the rich, I'm in. Otherwise its a pointless pantomime and I'm not interested in playing along in corpo-fascist games any longer.
I love the idea. What's the first step we can take to accomplish that?
tough one. Its not something that comes up often. I'd say for starters we re-register to a new party to get some momentum going. DSA maybe.
Unfortunately then we're back to the FPTP problem. We don't have ranked choice voting, so there can only be two parties.
If we create a new one, we'll need to convince the moderates to join, and the 35% of people who call themselves Democrat like it's a sports team. That's quite a task.
The tea party tried this approach and failed. Then they gave up and infiltrated the Republicans instead. Now they are in charge, rebranded maga.
This is the proper attitude for primaries, not general elections.
You're either with the oligarchs or you're with the terrorists
Liberals are, for all their talk, in a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love with the DNC. BlueMAGA is some combination of a death cult and an abusive relationship.
It is very culty.
BlueMAGA sounds like weak bothsidesism, come up with some real criticism
I did.
Liberals are, for all their talk, in a Stockholm Syndrome kind of love with the DNC.
So your criticism of liberals is... they vote for the party the most closely aligns with their views? And this is somehow analogous to death cults and MAGA extremism?
It doesn't align with their views; that's the whole problem. Liberals carry water for the DNC even though they hate the nonsense it does as much as everyone else. At least I don't think I've seen anyone around here say that Biden supporting genocide* or not going after price gouging were good things. It's always excuses, "lesser" evils and false dichotomies to make sure the Democrats are always just good enough to not throw aside. That's why I likened it to the Stockholm Syndrome.
*well Zionists think so but screw them
That's still not analogous to MAGA extremism, Democrats have much more favorable social policies, which is what most Americans care about. Voting for the party that does more about the values you care about is not a death cult unless you think basic LGBT rights are a death cult.
Now that I think about it I was using liberal to mean DNC supporter and I'm pretty sure that's a misnomer (though there likely is significant overlap) so I'll say DNC supporter from now on. Also what I personally call blue MAGA is only a subset of DNC "supporters" (since most of them are closer to willing hostages, at least around here). My personal blue MAGA line is actually thinking the DNC is a competent or honest political party despite being shown evidence to the contrary or has some kind of right to people's votes. "America didn't vote for them so they have no duty to act/America clearly wants fascism" rhetoric and thinking accepting genocide was competent electoral strategy (again despite being shown evidence to the contrary) also fall under this. They also like to claim Bernie's losses in 2016 and 2020 were "the will of the voters" rather than the result of DNC tampering. Edit: Seeing a headline about genocide in Palestine and writing something to the effect of "Gaza voters bad" is also a pretty clear tell.
That's still not analogous to MAGA extremism,
The blue MAGA comparison isn't about extremism; it's about other hallmark MAGA traits like tribalism, enforcement of ideological homogeneity, vilification and mocking of critics and uncritical support for "us" over "them". For what I consider emblematic blue MAGA behavior, remember how in the lead up to the election everyone critical of Biden and later Harris or the DNC was called a Russian troll or MAGA in disguise? Yeah, it's that. So yeah, they're called blue MAGA because they're perfectly willing to imitate MAGA when it suits them. Fortunately the number of blue MAGAs (as opposed to willing hostages) shrunk since then, but you'll still see a few of them around.
unless you think basic LGBT rights are a death cult.
Within the context of the Western, and especially American, slide into fascism, people who want to stop that must do what works and ditch what doesn't work. Well, we call argue all day about what works, but voting for the DNC and in DNC primaries doesn't. Bernie 2020 and their abandonment of Jamal Bowman are all proof needed for that. And what do you call a group of people who insist on and defend walking a path down which only their misery lies? Because I call that a death cult. Whether one realizes that (the willing hostages) or chooses not to (blue MAGA) is irrelevant.
Your definition of BlueMAGA is still intellectually dishonest then.
Intellectually dishonest? Why?
Because it would be more honest, within your definition, to call them DNC partisans. What you wish to ascribe to them is not distinctive of MAGA, so using MAGA to degrade them is not only inaccurate but dishonest because it specifically makes a comparison that is unfit, and ultimately only serves to degrade the meaning of MAGA by making it applicable to any run of the mill party hack.
Blue MAGA is naturally an opposite of red MAGA. Are democrats such nice people that their radicals are insignificant in comparison, or is it just a bad comparison?
Because it would be more honest, within your definition, to call them DNC partisans.
I feel that doesn't quite capture the nuance of calling everyone they disagree with a Russian troll so they can ignore them (which is more evocative of MAGAs calling everyone to the left of Donald Trump a woke libtard agent).
What you wish to ascribe to them is not distinctive of MAGA
I'll admit I'm not exactly an expert on MAGA, but to me the distinctive features of MAGA is their hatred of dissent, intellectual dishonesty and lack of empathy for outsiders. Those are what I see as their main characteristics outside all the far-right nationalism stuff; they characterize the vessel in which you put the far-right nationalism to get MAGA.
so using MAGA to degrade them is not only inaccurate but dishonest because it specifically makes a comparison that is unfit, and ultimately only serves to degrade the meaning of MAGA by making it applicable to any run of the mill party hack.
Now I'm just now learning the term party hack, so would a person X described only as a Democrat party hack habitually call critics Russian agents and react to news of Israel committing more genocide against Palestinians with "we did it Patrick, we saved Palestine" or "leopards ate my face"?
Blue MAGA is naturally an opposite of red MAGA. Are democrats such nice people that their radicals are insignificant in comparison, or is it just a bad comparison?
The comparison emerged from exchanges in which DNC hacks/proto blue MAGAs were responding to legitimate criticism or predictions with accusations of the critic being a Russian troll/MAGA in disguise, so the nuance has always been more along the lines of "uh... you're acting awfully MAGA right now yourself", with the idea being that being not MAGA the DNC hack should be better than that. It's about the vessel of MAGA, not the contents.
the nuance of calling everyone they disagree with a Russian troll
Honey, thats just people on the internet, you can find dumb people of every persuasion.
It’s about the vessel of MAGA, not the contents.
Right, that's being dishonest and you suggesting a false equivalence.
come up with some real criticism
The whole thread and all the rest of lemmy is full of real criticism. So maybe take your own advice before you attack that person.
I'm not attacking them, and I wasn't talking to the rest of Lemmy so they are irrelevant
Here's the actual story, Schumer relented one day after GOP and DNC megadonors threaten to pull funding away from 10 Democrats.
So the super rich really do control everyone and everything.
Who knew?
Historians and artists have been trying to tell us this for years.
We didn't listen, but we liked their work.
You have meek fuckers in leadership because that's who the corporate/wealthy donors want there. If you want to get rid of them you're going to have to get rid of the money and influence that put them there.
They backed down on govt funding? They backed down, didn't they?
Not they. So far it's only Schumer and Fetterman, and Fetterman was a lost cause anyway.
Next time I'm donating to the strokes act blue.
He’s not meek he’s corrupt
Trump will destroy America and blame democrats if we don't fully back Trump destroying America, including removing congressional power to block the destruction of America while it is done.
On blame, easy path is push for clean CR that will keep government open, or reopen, when house votes on it when they feel like coming back to work. GOP will be blamed for the shutdown.
DOGE is already tearing wiring out of the walls. Crazy to get weeks of "Half Department X has been fired and the budget has been slashed" articles only to hear Schumer take the blame in advance for further defunding.
If you’re old enough to draw Social Security, you shouldn’t hold office. Period.
Dems agree to set Social Security age to 105
I know what you mean and mostly agree with upper age limits on office holders but children can receive social security survivors benefits. It is not just (although mainly) old age pensioners.
It's long past time for Schumer and most of the timid OLD dems, to step aside. We've had enough of failing. We need to elect people that are capable of fighting back.
We have to vote the dinosaurs out of office, if we ever get to vote again.
I called my senators in new mexico to vote no. And with senator lujan the clerk said he will be voting no. So hopefully more will follow.
Heinrich is also voting no
Thank you for calling
They're not meek, they profit from the status quo.
These people have no business in governing modern day people, these dinosaurs need to be let go.
they benefit and profit by not being the blame of the GOP whom they are also grifting form.
He's very dependent on donations from the banking industry, it's all there on OpenSecrets. Both NY senators voted to end cloture because that's where wall street is. Gillibrand seems to be avoiding criticism for some reason but it's the same exact story for her. Wall street was already suffering from the Trump tariff decline and couldn't take any more from a shutdown.
Well he's a zionist. And the zionists bought both parties but preferred trump in power. So yeah.
You mean like recently? No. It's been a lot more than a feeling since 2016, for me at least. A known fact I guess you could call it?
If someone who has been in office doing their job for decades and still hasn't changed much .... why does anyone expect them to do anything different now?
No one does. That's why they need to go.
Also for some of the Dems not up for reelection, they have nothing to lose
Lol Trump called Schumer a "Palestinian" (now a threat) and this fucker just rolls over.
and muslim groups objected to the dehuanization of the word 'palestinian' becoming a slur, while zionist groups objected to trump calling a jewish guy a palestinian. You cant make this stuff up.
Meanwhile AIPAC continues to control our government and Americans try hard not to pay any attention to that issue, even though our entire government operating as a mercenaryfor hire to the highest corporate or nation state bidder is probably the defining issue of our time.
Schumer clearly never learned that appeasing Nazis is not the way to go! Or perhaps he's a nazi is disguise.
At some point the people will have to use their check on power. The second Amendment.
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A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
So like... what the fuck even happens in a government shutdown?
How does power shift when that happens?
Reading about the funding bill, it also seems to include dismantling of some checks and balances.
They're probably fucked either way, I just don't know enough to tell which is worse.
Seeing as both Bernie, AOC and federal workers' unions agree to vote no on that one, they're probably on to something.
Idk, I don't live in a failed state
I think they are gearing that shutdown will shut down the courts too (a branch that supposed to be co-equal)
People who can afford not to get their paychecks anymore can still show up for work, the President, the Treasury, and Military will be operating at full capacity, but federal workers will no longer receive payment and will likely be forced to quit and congress might remain in recess for a long time.
Cuck Schumer
Chuck the cuck
Dodgy governments as per usual.
Absolutely. I've been calling my Senators since Thursday telling them that if they don't publicly call for Schumer to step down, then they are culpable for his decisions. Supporting fascist enablers is supporting fascism.
I guess the people will be compelled to hold an impromptu no-confidence referendum with bricks and molotovs for ballots.
'No' is not enough.
No capitulation.
Reading a bit it seems the funding bill in its current form basically cuts their remaining healthcare and removes most congressional oversight on how money is actually spent, among other things.
If so then yea it's probably not better than a shutdown.
Republicans created a dilemma though, the bill legalizes and gives trump more power, not then of government is shut down, so are the courts.
Looks like we are fucked either way.
Warner and Kaine have both said they intend to vote no. Unfortunately there's no chance my congressional district is going to do anything other than give Trump carte blanche.
you can try, it's unlikely to happen.
Unfortunately we seem to have zero good public speakers in out government, the one thing that actually seems to matter politically, just doesn't exist anymore, apparently.
Money still important
a good speaker is what changes minds, money only changes the opinions of the weak.
Getting rid of citizens united would certainly be nice though.
Time to take out the trash
They're not meek. They're pusillanimous. Or pusies for short. Intentionally misspelled.
I miss Anthony Weiner
Schumer has been in Congress since 1981 and politics since 1975, so maybe stop fooling yourselves that he’s going anywhere
From 2008 through Bidens term, when the GOP wanted to use the threat of a Govt shutdown against Democrats as leverage negotiating as a minority party. Now, the Democrats want to use the same methods as a way to have some power. The problem with this line of thinking is that the current administration does not want most of the Government open. They want to shut it down and give DOGE time to make sure none of the employees come back. This is the total opposite of the leverage the GOP had over Democrats who only wanted to keep the Government open. It was never going to work and they would have just been helping DOGE complete their goals. After all their goal is to dismantle as much of the Federal Govt as possible.
So what should the Democrats do? Open another government?
Trump cant do nearly as much damage to a government thats utterly closed down, so they should have shut it all down for 3 years and 10 months if they could. If the dems had a single stone shared between the lot of them they'd shut it all down. Or maybe the dems are corrupt, but its the same outcome either way.
Jesus Christ I'm sick of government shutdown drama. Do your jobs and figure out the budget on time, you fucking assholes.
They have. Republicans are in charge rn, and they decided to gut 2 trillion in programs like Medicare, Medicaid, CHIP, and a shitload of other stuff so that they can feel slightly better about the 4.5 Trillion deficit they're going to add by extending their tax cuts for the rich.
That's why a lot of people are upset enough to want the government to shut down rather than face that reality.
Can we agree that we need less leadership? If these meeks want anyone dead we are all screwed because they have a trillion dollar army at their command