Trump Claims Nazis Treated Jewish Prisoners With “Love”
1y 2mon ago by lemm.ee/u/schizoidman in nottheonion from newrepublic.com
Someone ping me when the ADL condemns Trump for this.
Why would they care about dead Jews from 80 years ago when trump is giving them the green light on killing Palestinians now?
When he's done with the Palestinians, his love for the Jewish people and Israel will evaporate.
Authoritarian support of Zionism has never been about giving the Jewish people a place to live, but instead about having an excuse to exile the Jews in their midst. Zionism is anti-Semitic.
Yep, the reason for the holocaust was that the initial Nazi plan of exiling all the Jews to Madagascar was deemed impractical.
I mean, everything but extinction is impractical if you view your enemies as subhuman parasites.
Always has been. Ethnicity and religion are made-up divides. Any system that seeks to keep humans divided within themselves, amongst themselves is the beast system led by one of many antichrists. Religion has been perverted by religious and political alike, for political reasons. If religion isn't uniting someone within themselves, amongst themselves, healing schisms rather than creating them, that religion worships false gods, usually money/power. Those are tools to be used to accomplish that goal and we have ceded our real power of integrity and made them lord and master.
No, not in the US. Here it's absolutely about fear of Muslims and Iran. It's about keeping them oppressed and controlled in an effort to prevent terrorist attacks. A lot of it is also just plain racism and skin color.
There are a lot of brown-faced populations in the Middle East for Israeli to genocide
Probably not as long as Israel remains firmly fascist. Trump and most of the GOP are sociopaths/psychopaths. I doubt most of them actually believe the white supremacism and racism they peddle. It's a means of class warfare to divide and conquer — to attain and maintain power. Though, as we all know, the out groups are fluid and can change at the whim of madmen.
At this point I'm not even convinced Hitler or the Nazi senior leadership were as — at least, initially — anti-Jewish as they were sociopaths/psychopaths utilizing the pre-existing anti-Jewish sentiment to attain power. Though, there is the question whether acting racist and violently crushing all opposition reaches a point where they themselves either believe it, or wouldn't dare voice the truth simply out of fear of being subject to the same violence they've used on others.
You'd have better odds of living to see Moshiach on earth.
Don’t wait up
so thats what nazis called the gas eh. can we get trump some of that love?
Only time I will ever say this but, I hope Trump gets the love he deserves. I only wish endless love for Trump.
So much love. The most love. Bigly love even. He’s going to have so much love, he won’t know where to put it all. He’ll have so much love, it’ll be hard to breathe. Suffocated by all that tariff free American love.
Heh. We want mercy for ourselves and "justice" for our neighbors. That's what's wrong with the world.
ha, theres no mercy in the u.s. the richest country in the world cant afford to solve for homelessness, hunger, education or racism
in the untied states justice means 'revenge'.
It starts with individual attitude shifts, you know? If I was reared this way, and continued for another 3 decades and can make the shift, pretty much anyone can. The idea is not to shift back. While society and media seek to make it extremely difficult, it's still very, very possible. Mandela had the right idea in not seeking revenge.
I wish I could agree with you. But mercy and lack of revenge the first time around is what brought us here today. Post civil war Reconstruction was far, far too kind to the people who thought they were entitled to owning the lives of other human beings.
Pollution doesn't stay where we send it, literal or figurative. Weakness seeks to control others. Strength is calming our own inner beasts. Good luck friend.
??? We want mercy for our sorry lives full of procrastination and justice for the mas murderers.
love gas.
Ain't no hate like conservative "love."
I've been trying to think of a phrase to use on a sign for the 50501 protest on 4/19 and I think this might be the one
Do it. All my little quotes are free.
if they're redefining terms that way
Like this, he means?
You can see how open they are to this by how they dress. Very free. Lying down to show how comfortable they are in the situation.
They were basically asking for it... Like you can't walk around dressed that way and acting that way and not expect someone to react the way you clearly wanted them to.
My dad used to beat the shit out of my mom and convince her it was her fault. Once she was gone he turned to me. By then I was almost grown and I beat the absolute fuck out of him. When he laid there asking why I did that I simply explained, "given the way you were acting I thought that's what you wanted? Why would you make me do this if you didn't want it?"
Fucking hate people like that dude.
It's really annoying when people aren't clear about what they want
One big hug
Bet commenting this would get you a ban on reddit these days.
They covered the victims' faces so the cowards maybe won't have to live with what they've done.
Y'know, "love" and "generosity."
Trump is a violent rapist so it "makes sense"
So, confirmed Nazi - again. How long will it be before someone stops him?
Yeeeeaaaah......about that.....
I'm afraid I've got some bad news.
Dude, we have to have hope. Everyone, keep up the embargoes of every billionaire company that supports him. Money is the only thing that will work.
Seeing as we are on .world and the last comment I made featuring the Bear Jew with a Louisville slugger as an example of how to properly treat a fascist got deleted by a mod...
Maybe I can get away with saying 'Be the change you want to see in the world'.
Given he's destroying his own country while the rest of us laugh at him, I expect the civil war will kick off eventually.
That's his plan though, much easier to reshape a democracy into an Empire during huge societal upheaval like that.
Just gotta keep giving himself more Emergency Powers until he can get it done.
I fucking hate Trump, but the headline doesn't match the content:
“I said to them, was there any sign of love?” Trump said, recounting his conversation with released hostages.
“Did the, Hamas, show any signs of like, help? Or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? … Like, you know, what happened in Germany?” Trump said, absurdly comparing the hostages’ situation to the Holocaust, which murdered six million Jews.
“People would try and help people that were in unbelievable distress,” the president went on, suggesting that the Nazis were known for their generosity.
“No, they didn’t do that, they’d slap us,” Trump said the hostages told him about Hamas, while sitting next to the man who is currently leading Israel’s genocide in Gaza. “Their hatred is unbelievable.”
Sounds more like a "was the pope catholic?" situation. After all, there'd be a lot more press on it if it wasn't sarcastic questioning.
No, you're misreading this.
Trump is comparing Hamas guards holding hostages to Nazi guards holding prisoners, and he is suggesting that Nazis prison guards acted with love and kindness when a prisoner was in a very dire state.
The he switches to 'no, the Hamas guards slapped their hostages'... implying they were worse than Nazi death/slave camp guards.
Again, why in the world are you giving him the benefit of the doubt? He is sending people to concentration camps (2 of them) that are probably being killed and/or tortured. One of them was by mistake and they're not bringing him back. Stop it.
“Did the, Hamas, show any signs of like, help? Or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? … Like, you know, what happened in Germany?”
It's even worse. Christians fight hard to make hell on earth a reality so they can live for ever in peace in make believe land when they are no longer living?! Make it make sense.
Make it make sense.
It's a death cult. It's symbol is a half-naked tortured dying man being executed via nailed to a cross, took one look for me as a child to figure that out.
A make believe land that works pretty similarly to socialism, the whole thing they rail so hard against on earth
Obviously you’re working your heaven job and spending your heaven bucks.
That’s what supply side Jesus would want right?
I saw a post like this the other day and it blew my fucking mind. Never thought about it before.
Yup this is the shittiest episode of lost yet.
My fil is the most Jewish looking man i know, he votes R. He's a financial planner and he's a one issue voter, taxes. He's not going to Europe this year because he dosnt want to have to worry about coming back. He knows he fucked up now.
He knows, but does he care? Does it actually matter to him? I have been watching and meeting all too many people who have no idea just how dangerous the world can be when there's no rule of law and institutions protecting us. They want through life focusing on little personal gains and never truly understand how bad the world gets once Conservatives start showing their fascist foundations and the mask comes off.
May he be treated with the same love.
Have you seen the line of succession? We need a whole lot of people dead before this gets better.
That’s the reason I always suggest Elon rather than Trump. When Elon is shot in the face, he has no system that will fill his Nazi shoes. The world would just be better, period. Like a fuckin’ surgery to the world, remove the tumor.
better start now !
Be the change you'd like to see in the world
for anyone trying to follow the conversation, I suggested murdering nazis in the above post, and apparently this was too controversial for moderators (I mean I suppose so, no reason was given)
I keep thinking it can’t get worse, then it somehow does
I think it can get much worse.
I need to treat it like a farce from now on for the sake of my mental health.
That's... Something.
Even from Trump, I wasn't expecting that.
And still students disliking genocide are the antisemites according to AIPAC and co.
Honestly, at this point I'm convinced that it's AIPAC that is still spreading the meme that disillusioned Palestinians and their supporters cost Kamala the election. The really pro Palestine leftists are the type to either never participate in electoral politics anyway, or were strategic enough to vote for Kamala. Trump won because white middle America voted for him, not due to a handful of student protesters. I think AIPAC is still pushing the "Palestine protesters lost Kamala the race" as a means of making the Palestinian cause more unpopular. And frankly, it's working. Any story on Gaza will have people gleefully celebrating it
Do you really think some white middle class middle Americans that only vaguely care about Palestine weren't moved a notch against voting for Harris? There was percentage of them that was demotivated by a straw that broke the camels back.
Or more significantly that young new voters weren't moved in this direction by pro-palestinian tiktok?
Sure, I wouldn't put all the blame on that, but some of the blame goes there.
Also I fucking hate Leftists who "never vote" anyway so fuck them regardless.
And why would you assume there aren't some pro-Zionist Democrats that voted for Kamala BECAUSE of her stance on Gaza? Every decision a campaign makes both gains and loses them votes.
I think the issue, in terms of its effects on the election, is largely a trivial matter that's been blown way out of proportion, largely by AIPAC itself. I just don't think there's a very large population that cares about Palestinian issues that wouldn't also vote vote for the optimal outcome for Gaza. Are there some? Sure. But I'm incredibly suspicious of anyone pushing the narrative that this had a substantial effect on the election. We're talking about people educated enough on world affairs to care passionately about the plight of a small population on the other side of the planet, but also ignorant enough to go and vote for Donald Trump? How many people do you think actually meet both of those qualifications? It's a tiny rounding error.
It seems like a disinformation campaign by AIPAC intended to sour the public on the rights of Gazans. The people who care about Gaza are primarily on the left side of the political spectrum. What better way to alienate the American left to the plight of the Gazans than to convince people on the left that the Gaza issue cost Kamala the election? The whole thing absolutely wreaks of an Israeli propaganda campaign.
If it's not an AIPAC campaign, it's largely just a self-serving story on the part of white voters. Trump won because white people voted overwhelmingly in favor of him. Even the concentration of Muslims in Michigan is completely irrelevant, as Trump would have won without winning Michigan. If it's not an Israeli intelligence operation, blaming Kamala's loss on Palestinians is ultimately just subtly veiled racism.
The numbers bear this out. Muslim voters voted for Kamala 46% to 43%. White voters voted for Trump 56% to 40%. Muslims voted for Harris at far higher rates than white people did.
Blaming Arabs and Muslims for Harris's loss is just a way of scapegoating a racial and religious minority group. Trump won because white people overwhelmingly voted for him. Everything else is a rounding error. It's just plain old racism, nothing more.
And why would you assume there aren’t some pro-Zionist Democrats that voted for Kamala BECAUSE of her stance on Gaza? Every decision a campaign makes both gains and loses them votes.
Because the propaganda surrounding Zionism and the level of support for Zionism overwhelmingly is on the republican's side. Zionist democrats are primarily in the leadership not voting base. Zionist democrats among the voting base who would legitimately not vote for Harris if she had said she intended to reign in Israel (which she implied non-noncommittally to anyway) is undoubtedly smaller than pro-palestinian activists. Netanyahu is not even a popular leader among Israelis.
Even if the stance of reigning in Netanyahu was unpopular among Zionist democrats, there wouldn't be nearly the same level of rage and zeal over such a move.
Now, I would say this was a tactical mistake on the part of democratic leaders in terms of winning, but more than likely their allegiance to Zionism is strong enough that they were clearly willing to increase the risk of losing in order to keep the political discourse more favorable to Israel if possible and did not want to give in rhetorically. And they paid for it. We all are going to pay for it.
Make no mistake, I fucking hate them for it. But I can be repulsed and disgusted by more than one group of people.
I think the issue, in terms of its effects on the election, is largely a trivial matter that’s been blown way out of proportion, largely by AIPAC itself. I just don’t think there’s a very large population that cares about Palestinian issues that wouldn’t also vote vote for the optimal outcome for Gaza. Are there some? Sure. But I’m incredibly suspicious of anyone pushing the narrative that this had a substantial effect on the election. We’re talking about people educated enough on world affairs to care passionately about the plight of a small population on the other side of the planet, but also ignorant enough to go and vote for Donald Trump? How many people do you think actually meet both of those qualifications? It’s a tiny rounding error.
It seems like a disinformation campaign by AIPAC intended to sour the public on the rights of Gazans. The people who care about Gaza are primarily on the left side of the political spectrum. What better way to alienate the American left to the plight of the Gazans than to convince people on the left that the Gaza issue cost Kamala the election? The whole thing absolutely wreaks of an Israeli propaganda campaign.
If it’s not an AIPAC campaign, it’s largely just a self-serving story on the part of white voters. Trump won because white people voted overwhelmingly in favor of him. Even the concentration of Muslims in Michigan is completely irrelevant, as Trump would have won without winning Michigan. If it’s not an Israeli intelligence operation, blaming Kamala’s loss on Palestinians is ultimately just subtly veiled racism.
The numbers bear this out. Muslim voters voted for Kamala 46% to 43%. White voters voted for Trump 56% to 40%. Muslims voted for Harris at far higher rates than white people did.
Blaming Arabs and Muslims for Harris’s loss is just a way of scapegoating a racial and religious minority group. Trump won because white people overwhelmingly voted for him. Everything else is a rounding error. It’s just plain old racism, nothing more.
You are making the grave mistake of overestimating people with in-group thinking. Most people who are voting around hot button issues like this are not deeply educated and even so being educated on world affairs doesn't prevent irrational and emotional decision making.
That said, I wasn't blaming Arabs and Muslims in my post maybe you should reread it.
I'm talking about the net effect of discouraging or demotivating non-arab & non-muslim democratic voters with "A vote for Harris is a vote for genocide" I've seen this type of propaganda first hand in real life.
Guilt is a strong (de)motivator. Just as much as outrage (maybe more so). Palestinian activists utilized both to largely harm Harris's campaign.
Its not racism because I'm not directing my blame at a racial group. I'm directing my ire at dipshit white people who watch too much Tik Tok and decided not to vote because they did not want to "be complicit in genocide". Just as much as dipshit Arab and Muslims who thought that it earnestly did not matter for Palestine who won. Or the portion that thought Trump might legitimately be better for Palestine. Even if most Arabs & Muslims who voted did in fact mostly vote Harris basically every minority group including them shifted towards Trump in 2024 compared to previous elections.
And make no mistake, I'm well aware that most white people voted Trump. My antipathy towards them is much much stronger, but I don't want to yell at them and call them stupid. I've said on this very platform that if Canada (or Mexico) and the US legitimately had some kind of war and I had to pick I'd fight on the Mexico/Canada side and probably seek out MAGA homes and do some very not good things to those people. Maybe things international organizations would view... poorly. Most MAGA are white.
I just also feel zero motivation to assist people who helped the fascists win. Even if the blame on them is only partial. I wouldn't commit violence against them but I'm not lifting a fucking finger for them either. They made their fucking bed.
Same with the non-voter people who suddenly realized its bad for them personally that Trump won. Whether they're moderate Republicans, Centrists, "apolitical", or anti-electorialist labor.
There are very few good people left by my count after this election.
I think AIPAC is still pushing the “Palestine protesters lost Kamala the race”
If AIPAC is pushing this narrative, it could backfire spectacularly. An alternate way to phrase this is "Kamala's support for Israel cost her the election."
Not literally - several sentences are being condensed together, but it's abundantly clear that Bonespurs still has his head completely up his ass. I can't believe that waste of oxygen is representing the United States to the rest of the world. AGAIN.
AGAIN
This is the part that gets me. I don't get it.
All I can come up with is Con men gonna Con. Americans have been progressively dumbing themselves down for about the last century. Voting doesn't reflect being informed or thoughtful anymore, it reflects effective marketing. Against all rational expectations the MAGA campaign knew the market and pushed the right buttons better than the Democrats did.
Trump voters after first term : "I can fix him"
Make America Great Again Again
The dipshit swing voters don't pay attention to anything but their wallet, and all they knew was that prices were lower in 2019 than in 2024. That's as far as their ability to think about the president goes. 90% of swing voters don't give a shit about anything else.
It was infuriating listening to NPR interview undecided voters and their response would be "wHaT's KaMaLa GoNnA dO fOr Us?" Stupid greedy motherfuckers will get what's coming to them.
He is an accurate representative for your clown country.
IDC that this one is also bad for americans. If anything I enjoy it.
And what did you have before?
The embarrassing and demented Genocide Joe.
Really, I hope this orange moron continues to destroy that cancer country.
The best thing that could happen for the world.
Ah yes, putting a Nazi in charge of the most powerful military in the world while starting a global trade war is somehow good for the world.
Ok guy.
They are bombing people, supporting genociders no matter who's in charge of your military.
The trade war which the US will lose is only expediating the decline of the US imperialist regime, so that IS good for the world.
As an extra it's great entertainment watching whatever stupid thing Trump does.
And they are far from the most powerful military, they are a bunch of weak cowards who lost everything from Vietnam/Korea up to running like pussies from Afghanistan.
Hahaha ok dipshit
I mean, this is a guy who considers rape the highest compliment he can pay a woman.
The same love that the Palestinians have been receiving
It's only recently I've come to the frightening realization that...we're all tensely waiting for World War 3 to start. It HAS started, the fronts just aren't within the traditional empires; and a good 70% of the war is on ideology and propaganda.
I think WW3 already happened - it was fought with oil in the '70s and the West lost (badly) to OPEC. The current one is WW4 and fought with information - and we're losing (badly) again.
sorry not to be a douche but I think you're both wrong. The cold war never ended it's been ongoing
And Russia won it without spending any money on their military. They just had to hire a room full of internet trolls.
Ehh nobody has won yet Russia is still doing their three day special military operation like 1000 days later. I wouldn't call that a win.
I think just like WWI and WWII the major powers will all lose and new players get a shot at finding a seat at the table
Over 6 million people hugged to death 😔
Killing 6 million softy with his hugs...
Strumming our pain with his gas...
Wiping our lives with his words...
Killing us softy with his hugs...
Alexa play Killing me softly.
Over 11 million people, huggy wuggy nooo!
Not an attack on you it just bothers me to see this constantly misrepresented everywhere, 6 million is if you only count Jewish people, 11 million counts all victims of the camps including my great aunt and uncle.
Wouldn't this be considered a form of Holocaust denial, which would make Trump supporters Holocaust-denier supporters?
I mean, a very large percentage of them are holocaust deniers already.
I am gonna ask the German state attorney I know what his take is on that next time I speak to him. But from my view, yeah that could already be a crime
So having asked the German state attorney I know, he has confirmed my hunch. If Trump were to say this in Germany, that would constitute "Volksverhetzung" literally incitement of the people according to § 130 StGB (German penal code) which is punishible from a fine to 3 years in prison. And to add, it's pretty clear cut.
Since he's a foreign dignitary (fuck it feels wrong to call him that), he has diplomatic immunity though
Holy follow-up Batman! I’m with you on how bummed I am that we will never see him punished, but I appreciate you actually getting an answer on the law.
Cheers brother!
Holocaust denial is a tricky beast too. The biggest proponents of it don’t believe what they are saying - it works as their “Big Lie.” Once someone swallows the idea that millions didn’t die, for some reason it’s easy to get them to believe that millions must die. (And that specific phrase is a meme for the hardcore - “millions must die.”)
But in “mainstream” politics they’re duplicitous fuckers that are just blowing on the dog whistles, trying to keep the plausible deniability.
You are just considering this (likely) possibility now?
Not to mention that among their rationale for attacking Palestinian support has been stopping antisemitism
Unsurprising to hear that they were projecting about something else
What the everloving fuck
everloving
Woah there slow down, before your love reaches 6+ million undesirables.
Please let me treat Trump with the same love for 5 minutes.
Efficient I see.
Same as the love Israelis are showing Palestinians in Gaza.
Full quote though it's not really any better:
“I said to them, was there any sign of love?” Trump said, recounting his conversation with released hostages.
“Did the, Hamas, show any signs of like, help? Or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? … Like, you know, what happened in Germany?” Trump said, absurdly comparing the hostages’ situation to the Holocaust, which murdered six million Jews.
“People would try and help people that were in unbelievable distress,” the president went on, suggesting that the Nazis were known for their generosity.
“No, they didn’t do that, they’d slap us,” Trump said the hostages told him about Hamas, while sitting next to the man who is currently leading Israel’s genocide in Gaza. “Their hatred is unbelievable.”
I always knew about the gaschambers, but never really thought about how it was done, until I saw this video recently
It made me realize just how fucked up these people where.
Visit a concentration camp someday if you get the opportunity
I visited auschwitz when I was 15 on a achool trip, the entire place felt very dark. But I was too young (and stupid) to really understand the horrors that happened at that place.
The first time I got chills from an animated YouTube video. Crazy to think that people who are OK with this still exist and walk among us.
This is infuriating, but what surprises me more is that Netanyahu seems to be fine with it? Seriously? He romanticizes the holocaust?
I know some Israeli are protesting on the streets, but this type insult should be met with country wide demonstration, right?
I'm no expert on this topic, but you should keep in mind that Netanyahu's government is extremely right wing. These types of wannabe dictators only care about themselves.
Also, it benefits him if Jewish people can't feel safe outside Israel. "Us vs. them" is a powerful tool to keep his people in check.
Why are you surprised?
These horrible zionists are also 100% fascists, always had good relations with fascists, used and sacrifised jews before and during WW2 to obtain their own fascist state.
The far right in Israel doesn't care about the Holocaust. They literally view people who died in it as weaklings who didn't deserve to live, and survivors as cowards who should have gone down fighting.
The Nazis sent Jews to Palestine themselves.
Bibi and his ilk don’t see a problem with the Holocaust. It happened to lesser people - people too poor to get out. (If you dig deep, sometimes you can find some racial tensions too - Ashkenazi vs Sephardic, claims about who Gods chosen people are that are cousins to the claims made by the White Identity movement. Or if you’ve ever met a “Cohen” that is very aware of what that name is supposed to mean….)
what surprises me more is that Netanyahu seems to be fine with it?
see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herzl's_Mauschel_and_Zionist_antisemitismand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionist_antisemitism
Let's treat Trump with love.
Old man rambles on. The day the universe decides to take this orange fuck with be a great day.
I will take up drinking again for celebratory purposes for one day
It would be nice to hear fireworks going off in the neighborhood.
That's the problem. The universe doesn't want him....
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZXpnD2drnFk&t=26m
Found it. And what a bizarre point to add that anecdote.
His argument is that Palestinians are outright evil. The logic is that not all Germans were Nazis, some helped Jewish prisoners. Nothing like that happened from Palestinians when the hostages were imprisoned by Hamas.
Statistically this is a weak argument, but his point was not what the headline suggests.
This. I think it doesn't help to make up shit about him. This only helps with his tale of the woke mob that don't want freedom of speech.
There were people showing love to jews in Nazi Germany. He didn't mean the nazis were showing love by killing the jews and if you read what he said you know that.
The Orange Turd does not know what love is.
remember this next time he says he loves something he overtly harms. also think about this next time he says he loves someone we don't know how he treats outside of the public eye like his children or his wife
I don't know about his former wives, but his current one is a POS. Don't forget the "I don't care, do you?" coat when she was visiting caged children at the border. Her being an ex hooker is the most likable thing about her.
What happens when you give a kid everything they ever wanted, except love? They grow into well financed monsters.
There's a lot he doesn't know that even the most average Utah public school third grader knows.
What is love? Baby don't gas me, don't gas me, no more....
And he says this in front of the Israeli prime minister. What a mad lad.
With a gesture over to him even.
I don't want to defend Trump in anyway but this is a hystirical headline meant to generate clicks and attention.
“I said to them, was there any sign of love?” Trump said, recounting his conversation with released hostages.
“Did the, Hamas, show any signs of like, help? Or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? … Like, you know, what happened in Germany?” Trump said, absurdly comparing the hostages’ situation to the Holocaust, which murdered six million Jews.
“People would try and help people that were in unbelievable distress,” the president went on, suggesting that the Nazis were known for their generosity.
“No, they didn’t do that, they’d slap us,” Trump said the hostages told him about Hamas, while sitting next to the man who is currently leading Israel’s genocide in Gaza. “Their hatred is unbelievable.”
What I think he is trying to say in a very weird way is Nazi's treated Jews better than Hamas does now.
Yes the orange monkey is very stupid and crazy for saying shit like this, again I don't want to defend him in any way but the article does not say that Trump thinks Nazi's loved Jews.
You're participating in the old good tradition of sanewashing what Trump said. You don't need to interpret that jumble of sounds as charitably as possible, he doesn't deserve it, and he repeatedly showed that he actually means the worst most of the time. He said "nazis showed signs of love to holocaust victims" with his own stupid mouth. You don't need to excuse him by interpreting it as if he didn't say it.
I knew this thread would be FILLED with Trump apologist. He literally said "was there any love?... Like there was in Germany"
It's not taking it too far. It's what he said. We don't need to figure out if he meant a prison guard or Germans in general. We don't need to excuse what he meant by adding precision he didn't add. According to Trump there was love for Jews in Nazi Germany.
I'm so glad to see at least a few people resisting the sanewashing.
Well, If it wouldn't be Trump I might be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe he was actually referring to the few people that helped Jews escape or that hid them somewhere.
But in this context ("giving them an extra slice of bread") this doesn't seem to make much sense.
Jesus fucking Christ. It is a sad day when a person that actually read the article and provided context and quotes to rebuke an obvious clickbait title is accused of sanewashing Trump.
Sometimes Lemmy can be a worse disinformation-spreading echo chamber than Reddit ever was. Be better.
I read the article, I saw the interview. He literally said "was there any love?... Like there was in Germany"
What I skipped is only a description of what Trump thinks love is (extra piece of bread and a wink) and that hamas didn't do it. The two clauses are literally directly connected.
I know it's hard to believe that's what he said. Unfortunately you'll have to accept it to deal with the modern reality.
Thanks, there is a lot of sanewashing going on in the media and lemmy. Me trying to explain why he might say something as stupid and hurtful like this is perhaps also sanewashing him. But I did want to post those quotes mainly because I feel Lemmy and the Internet is general is better off if we base our hate and dislike (which I certainly agree with in Trumps) on things that actually happend.
Yes Trump said something very crazy, even for him more crazy than usual but falling for headlines like this is not gonna make it easier to talk with people who support Trump or someone like him and polarization played, I think, a huge part in why he could get elected. If we choose to make lemmy a place that polarizes people it will give people like Trump power.
on things that actually happend.
The thing you're saying didn't happen literally happen, what are you talking about?
He didn't literally say "Nazi's threated Jewish people with love", it is crazy he implied it but I want to point out the difference because if you ads in an argument with someone supports trump you only have a valid point if you use factual truths and if you'd tell a trump supporter that trump thinks Nazi's loved Jews they could easily say you're wrong because you're not using his own words but a dramatized version of them.
Yeah but he kind of did anyway, reading from what you just posted there. That was an insane ramble
What do you mean hysterical headline? He said exactly what the headline said. In the full context he looks stupider but what he said is the same.
Why are you trying to defend a guy saying the Nazis were gooder than Hamas? Why would you ever take that fight unless you are a liar or stupid?
I'm reminded of the initial framework that Auschwitz used for Jews. Many of them came voluntarily, because the Germans were making vague promises of "We're planning a Jewish settlement where you will be safe, and kept separate from the German Aryan future." So I could be reaching, but maybe he's interpreting something around that - the idea of using "nice gestures" (lies) to lure people in and humanize themselves.
Of course, it's a reach in any regard to interpret something coherent from Donald Trump, especially when regarding history.
Netanyahu: this is the guy we want in the White House!
and the Ukrainians who liberated us from the death camps were the real assholes. probably
Soviet forces?
So yes. But also it's a little more nuanced than that. Out of necessity the red army was divided into units of language groups because it wasn't wholly homogenized in 1944/45. The units in the northern portion of the eastern front were primarily Russian, and the units in the southern portion of the eastern front were primarily Ukrainian. The treatment of the Jews released from the death camps by Russian and Ukrainian units were different. Being released by a Russian group was a short path to other forms of political imprisonment because a major aspect of the Soviet project was the elimination of religion, where as the Ukrainian units fought tooth and nail to liberate us, largely because Jewish-Poles and Ukrainians are deeply interconnected people beyond the newly established Soviet state. It would be like if Buffalo, NY and Toronto, ON were both under threat of invasion by Michigan, and Michigan was planning to kill every man, woman, and child in Toronto with curly hair. Buffalo and Toronto might not always get along, but when push comes to shove, they share history and culture through food and music. Meanwhile, Manhattan might have some things in common and will work toward a common goal, but it's not as important an investment for them
Aha! Thank you for clarifying. I get why Russia would like to do away with religion by and large, even if I no longer agree with those reasons. The methodology was always troublesome to me but Jesus, not even re-education (yes, that was poorly done too, unsure how much was deliberate and how much was lack of resources) and straight to execution? I need to read more from a variety of sources.
Edit: apologies, I misremembered your original wording. I've read too much of political madness, recently.
He's promoting it because he controls it.
It has become my view that religion is one of the many cultural avenues toward parallel systems of power that our oppressors both fear and mimic. As we're here on the brink of a new dark age, or possibly have already entered it, I find myself realizing how many religious stories are people from the past just trying to pass down what happened in their time through means that power that be won't understand. I think about the list of names in the book of Genesis, and I realize these were relatives to someone that that someone simply didn't want erased from history, so they started speaking their names to future generations. I think about the garden of Eden and how Adam and Eve were forced to live a life of discomfort after they gained the knowledge of how everything works, and I think about how our oppressors strip funding for scientific research because we're easier to kill if we don't have abundant food and vaccines. I think about the book of Job and how god tortures a guy just to do it, and I think about how petty our presidents are. I think about the teachings of Jesus and how he encouraged his followers to ignore orthodoxy and focus on helping people, which got him killed much like how many of our allies are being disappeared right now, and how the Roman censors at the time kept certain tales from entering or surviving within the zeitgeist. I think, too, about how when Revelations was written, the author's people was subject to a genocide, and once more the Roman censors would have been curating what narratives were allowed to survive. I think about the patterns I see now and through history, how wars lead to pandemics, pandemics lead to authoritarianism, authoritarianism leads to famine, and then all of that leads back to war again. I realize that John the Reveler was probably just writing out what he was seeing at the time. Other accounts from the era probably existed but were destroyed, so the one we inherited is... Fuckin' bonkers because that's what it took to slip past the Romans.
Unfortunately, as with all parallel systems of power, our oppressors can and will seek to infiltrate and subvert them. Throughout history two of the most dangerous people have been the pastor and the politician. They trick us into thinking certain ways are just the way things have to be, that their interpretation of what we've inherited is Right and Correct, even if their interpretation is actually some nonsense and we're actually the ones who inherited the true meaning. I think the only way to combat this subversion of our truths is to reject, or at least question, orthodoxies at every turn. Refuse to fall in line to a single way of doing things, no matter what it is you're engaging with. I think about the years when r/Atheism was a starter subscription on Reddit, and how devout those atheists were. In particular they treated Richard Dawkins like a minor religious figure. I always found it so strange that their response to religious trauma was to repackage all the worst things about religion and attach it to anti-religion. They were just as intolerant of other views, outlooks, and people as religious people. I think that's what the Soviet project of atheism was reflective of. Lenin and Stalin either failed to understand, or worse understood completely, the REAL problem with organized religion and implemented Bolshevism as a form of religion.
Also, for the record, I've found atheistmemes@lemmy.world far less horrifically awful than reddit's r/Atheism ever was. So good job, us
And to think people still defend this muppet
I think we should all show him how much we "love" him then. See how he likes it.
Tell that to Anne Frank.
A book written by a woman? That sounds like DEI.
Not from the US but it’s this how all republicans view the Holocaust or is it just 47?
Who knows? It's pretty clear that anyone supporting this regime is disconnected from reality.
tldr he didn't say the exact words but he said it. this is "fine people on both sides" again, but for the prequel.
Lets ask him how slaves in the New World were treated. That would be entertainment for days.
Remember in 2015 people were ridiculed for comparing him with "he's literally hitler"
My ambien just kicked in but me thinks he was trying to imply that the hama a refugees were treated horrible. And with no kindness like nazis did. So your captors are even worse than the naxis !
I think that is maybe the goal in that pudding brain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
I imagine this is what you refer to
I don’t think that’s right. The Haavara agreement was pragmatic, not ideological. Those groups were not allies and the Nazis targeted all Jews (because it was a racist policy, not a political one).
So some Zionist leaders negotiated the exit of Jewish people from Nazi Germany is what I get from that discussion. Like EU leaders today are negotiating with Trump. Is that the point you’re trying to make? I wouldn’t call Europeans Trump collaborators.
Now his marriage history makes more sense
Did they give you a meal on the side? … Like, you know, what happened in Germany?
To be fair they did give prisoners a watery soup made with potato peels and a small piece of bread in between forced labor shifts. He is also making this the new school lunch standard.
School lunches is communism, they have to pay for their gruel
School lunch standard? Are you crazy?
Damn that fucked up. The Jewish MAGA freaks will continue to gulp down the Orange Kool-Aid mixed with Russian vodka.
My gentile parents voted for this cunt
"Are we the baddies?" moment
Even Trump isn't this stupid. We're watching a deliberate collapse of the US economy.
Sure, that is what a “joy division” is. Totally. /s
Did he get his history lessons from Kanye?
EDIT: Why are the weird Nazi sympathizers the ones supporting Israel?
Kindred spirits
Every day I have to turn the love a little so I don't freeze to death. Sometimes I collect wood for making love in the brick love place. And I have an instapot that makes my food cook so good by applying a ton of love. Its great to know that our president knows about love and how Jews were made into love and deterrent. You can take a shower and cleanse your body using deterrent. But have you washed your body in deterrent made by other people? I'll give you an example, all our car fool, which makes our cars hunk, was made by dynosours. I'm sure some was made by dynosweets, like sweet crude fool.
Picture of the interaction:
Wait, is that Elon getting into his Trump suit...?
But did Bibi also kiss the hem of Don's garment?
I believe there was a lot more slurping going on...
So I kinda felt like Kanye was trying to wreck his image and get out of the game/spotlight
I similarly think trump is saying this to continue to crash the economy. Elons little autism flare up (Sig Heil salute) was the start of this epic tumble. I feel like he's just kicking the can at this point.
George Bush doesn't care about black people.
Trump doesn't care about Jews.
Just like Jan 6 was a day of love.
So they raped them?
Now more than ever should be a good time for anyone who hasn't done it yet to watch Schindler's List. I think everyone should watch this movie. Boring historical facts and statistics do not convey it the way the movie does.
Next to Bibi while he said this. Bibi's balls must be raisins now 😂
Brings new meaning to "I love you to death."
And in return, after the war the Nazi leadership were given nice retirements at the end of a rope.
Look, the guy is a fucking joke, and I will not cry when I read of his passing, but can we stop jumping on the outrage machine every time he says something unbelievably stupid? It's playing right into the plan.
This is "not the onion". Is there not a more appropriate place to laugh about this lunatic?
I get it, hes kinda tanked the genre, but comeon this ones pretty good.
No, because none of this is normal and it needs to be reported. In any other point in history, these things would be drawing outrage as well, it just wouldn't be a constant barrage, because they'd have been booted from the office and never allowed to run again in the first place. They would never have an opportunity to have two outrageous events of this level, let alone the thousands that we've been dealing with since January 20 alone.
Not talking about ever insane, horrific thing be says just helps to sane-wash this madness.
What plan?
We need to stop paying that much attention to every exabrupte that goes out of his mouth...
exabrupte
Wow, a new word! Thank you, fellow lemming, for enriching my day.
(As a well-read old fart, it's honestly exciting to come across a completely unfamiliar word.)
We should've stop doing it before he got into the office. Now his ramblings are interpreted by his followers as laws, so you have to pay the most attention possible to it. For your own safety, and for the safety of others.
Love like Emyra Duff love?
Ohhh you're a real one
His comments are still idiotic but what he's saying is that in Germany some people where helping Jews, not that nazis treated them with "love" (at least in the fragment I've seen).
“Did the, Hamas, show any signs of like, help? Or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? … Like, you know, what happened in Germany?” Trump said, absurdly comparing the hostages’ situation to the Holocaust, which murdered six million Jews.
Looks like a direct Nazi prison guard comparison to me
I mean... who knows what rattles in his empty skull. For me he's just rambling. It could be about Nazi guards or about Germans in general. He's basically trying to say "Hamas is just hate while in Germany there was also some basic human kindness". It's obviously bullshit but translating it to "nazis treated Jews with love" is taking it too far.
The Lemmy hivemind cares not for nuance.
That's why I have downvotes disabled :)
Oh, yes, the nuance of noted deep thinker Donald Trump.
How about the nuance of not letting this place turn into a reddit-like echo chamber and hub of disinformation spurred by clickbait headlines?
"I want this place that is designed exactly like reddit to be nothing like reddit."
Let me know how that works out for you.
Well then why are you even here if Reddit already exists?
Because it's decentralized and part of the fediverse. Why are you here?
Looking for a better community/group of communities than Reddit.
The community that reddit has isn't just a coincidence. It comes out of the design of the platform itself. Giving everybody the ability to post and vote encourages groupthink and clickbait.
“People would try and help people that were in unbelievable distress,” the president went on, suggesting that the Nazis were known for their generosity.
Sounds like he's talking about Germans in general to me, while the article immediately says that he must mean Nazis.
There's a lot of dumb shit Trump says. I don't think this is one of those things (his comparison between the holocaust and the hostages is still weird, but that's typical "par for the course").
he's specifically asking about the treatment from Hamas and his examples don't make sense in the context of just Germans.. winking? giving an extra piece of bread?
His language is always tough to interpret but I've read the full quote several times now and I don't see how it makes sense unless he's comparing the hostage treatment from Hamas to the Nazis' treatment of the Jewish people.
I don't think he's saying that the Nazis loved the Jewish people but I also don't think that's what the headline says either.
Yep, exactly that. Really no need to make up stupid shit he says. There's enough of real stupid shit he actually says.
I think his odd choice of word is a result of both his limited vocabulary and his narcissism. He has no idea what feeling or expressing love for another person is.
If the 'Hamas' word was 'Palestinians', maybe. Now it is clear he is talking about the Nazi officers and soldiers.
Dude, nothing Trump says is ever clear.
Did I read that right ?
He asked "was there any sign of love?"
And the answer was basically "no"
He didn't say that the Nazis did but he claimed it?
He didn't seem to say it outright, but that's enough for the liberal masses to skew his words
It was a bit of a rhetorical question I think. The quote was a bit difficult to read and it took me a couple tries to get it
“I said to them, was there any sign of love?” Trump said, recounting his conversation with released hostages.
“Did the, Hamas, show any signs of like, help? Or liking you? Did they wink? Did they give you a piece of bread extra? Did they give you a meal on the side? … Like, you know, what happened in Germany?” Trump said
To detrumpify / reiterate, because reading what Trump says always feels like a stroke even if you're not experiencing one:
How "Germany" treated Jews, showing signs of love like:
- Gave them 'help'
- Liked them
- Winking
- Gave extra bread sometimes
- Gave extra meals sometimes
How Hamas treated hostages:
- Not as well as Nazis
Good lord. Apparently Auschwitz was a hot bed of *checks notes* undesired winking? /s
Yeah I thought I just have terrible reading comprehension skills because that quote took me a while to understand.
Yea, that's what I got from it too. I just couldn't believe what I was reading at first. I had to read it several times.
he supposedly asked that to the hostages, about hamas. he asked "was there any sign of love, like what happened in germany?". unless you know another german story involving jewish prisoners, he meant the nazis.
The Nazis actually did try to exterminate the Jews as humane as possible. They used gas showers so the victims didn't know what was coming and didn't have any any visual indications of harm on their body.
Whether it was out of some perverse sense of humanity, to make the executioners sleep better or simply to improve efficiency I'm not sure.
(To be clear, I don't condone genocide whether you try to do it humane or not)
It wasn't for the victims, it was for the perpetrators. Their soldiers would take too much emotional damage from mass scale murder and break down, so they created new ways to mass murder without putting them face to face
Zyklon B caused intense pain, which is what led them to gouge out deep scratches in the concrete walls of Auschwitz. Some of the victims were suffering for 20 minutes, since the Nazis were using as little gas as possible to save money and resources so they could kill as many as possible.
You made a stupid post like holy shit I did not expect to see someone making light of the horrors of the Holocaust. Hopefully this is unintentional but don't accuse any genociders of humane executions.
I did not expect to see someone making light of the horrors of the Holocaust
I'm surprised you didn't expect to see that, you're on the internet after all. But I did not make light of the Holocaust, you have misunderstood me.
They did try to make it humane, if alone to make it easier on the executioners. Causing pain and suffering did happen, but it wasn't part of the plan. It was like trying to exterminate rats. You just want them dead, suffering is not necessary. In my option that makes the Holocaust more horrific, not less.