Short answer, no, it is not normal unless you have some kind of illness.
28 years of age is usually too young for your body to fall apart. It is enough time that your bad habits begin to show results, such as muscle loss, muscle imbalances, etc. This is usually caused by your life style. As you get older, its more important for you to do maintenance on your body and watch what you are consuming.
If your life is too stationary, then you will start to see yourself falling apart. The old saying of "If you don't use it, you lose it" starts to hold true with time. How "aged" your body feels really depends on how active you are with it, to an extent. There are people twice your age that are in fantastic shape, that is because they put in work to maintain their bodies.
It is time to introduce some good habits to your routine. Eat a bit better, move around more, more active activities, etc. You will start to feel better again before you know it. Good luck.
Seconding. Early 30s, went to the doc with a set of strange new pains. Turns out I've been too sedentary and much of it started to improve with just a couple hours of walking every day
I started to develop a gut for the first time around the same age (after being so skinny people would comment about it). I think you’re probably noticing regular aging, but you can probably slow the trend via a healthier lifestyle. Get active, improve your diet, maybe check with a different doc just to be sure.
This is what I was going to say.
Falling apart at 28 isn't normal, but what is normal at 28 is having your body suddenly stop giving you a hall pass. That's very relatable.
Get 8 hours of sleep a night, walk and bike when you can, eat your greens, etc. and you might notice a difference.
having your body suddenly stop giving you a hall pass.
Great way to put it. I'm close to OPs age, and while I won't say I'm "falling apart" to the extent they are, things definitely are starting to have consequences. Sleep deprivation was the most shocking; used to be able to get 4-6 hours of sleep for several consecutive days of activity, then sleep on over the weekend and be completely fine. Now, if I get less than 7, chances are pretty good that I'm not gonna have a great day tomorrow.
I was starting to go that way in my late twenties. Started training in the gym. Thirties now, looking and feeling better than at any other point in my life. I beat my high school time for the 1 mile run by 30s recently, I couldn’t believe it.
I’ve seen people much older than you or I totally turn their lives around. I think for most people, it’s not getting older that is the problem, but rather, being sedentary over the long run is just way more destructive than we realize. Even just daily long walks makes a night and day difference
Anything at all is vastly better than sitting around all day.
An hour is great.
Yup I didn’t get back to a healthy weight until after my kid was born at 40. Really till he started running around so closer to 42-43.
Then I got Covid just before the vaccine was available for our ages and have been underweight since. Just finally started gaining back decent muscle this winter but still having trouble keeping weight on (I’m 6’3 and 170-175lbs (~190cm ~78kg)).
Was around 200lbs (90kg) while my wife was pregnant.
Roughly the same age here. Sure, some minor issues start to accumulate. I broke some stuff that will probably haunt me forever. My teeth had some issues earlier. But everything else? I finally started doing enough sport, and the effects are visible in just weeks. No, you should not fall apart, and if you do, it is high time you fix it.
I did some stupid things, broke a few bones. It is mostly fine, but mostly fine is not 100% fine, and some days I notice. Things accumulate. But that is not an excuse. I had a boss once that looked like he'd be able to bench-press half the office and complained about too many women hitting on him. I had a teacher who was at least approaching 50 and whose ideal holiday was spending more time on a bike than off. It's never too late for that.
Keep doing exercise, don't. Ever. Stop.
I've stopped multiple times over the years and it gets progressively harder to get back in shape. Just stay in shape and even then, yes, your body will deteriorate over time, just a lot less
Do you stretch often? I remember feeling like this in my early 20's and my friends suggested I do yoga which helped immensely. My legs will also feel terrible if I don't stretch them or place them above my head every day. Supposedly putting them above your head (like lying on your bed with your legs on the wall) will prevent varicose veins by draining the blood from them and letting them heal. Maybe it'll help a bit with already varicose veins.
Also you're getting to that age where your diet will have a larger effect on how you feel, so try to eat more vegetables or whatever your body needs. I've found that meat does not sit well with me if I eat too much of it, so try to find out what you need.
This sounds more like you have depression than problems. Meat rice and veggies are healthy and you can make them taste fantastic. What's not healthy is frozen "healthy meals".
It really sounds like you're depressed and everything that looks like a mountain is actually a mole hill.
Meat, rice and veggies is literally the definition of a (non-vegetarian) stereotypical healthy meal
From a fellow German: where are you now? Worse but more expensive food, I am guessing US?
Wtf, how is food more expensive over there?? It's been a while since I was in eastern Europe, but shouldn't basic food be way cheaper?
Germany has really cheap food compared to the wages of most people here.
Do you sit around a lot? Do you play games instead of being active? Do you eat sugary foods and a lot of soft drinks? What sort of exercise are you doing?
I'm 48, I work in computers, but I'm in about the same shape now than I was at 28: I weigh the same if not a little less, I eat well, am active, and when I'm not working, I stay the fuck off of computers, games, and other shit that keeps my ass in a seat.
Exercise increases energy levels, improves mood, and makes you healthier.
Squats. Push-ups. Pull-ups. Dumbells. Yoga. Sit-ups. Crunches.
Sorry to hear your life sucks. Most of us feel that way. You can make small, incremental improvements if you're motivated to change.
Good luck.
Exercise for it's own sake sucks. Find something physically challenging and fun. Kayaking is a great example, and not the crazy fast rapids type. Hiking is great exercise as well. Dedicate a pack to it and keep modifying it untill you're carry what you want and need. LOL, mine's about 25lbs. with beer and a little shotgun. You get the idea, even if those things aren't your jam.
You might be surprised what you can find on maps! Zoom out and see what's out there. Found a park by the Navy base that few locals know exists. Been exploring this area for years and there are still places close by I've never been.
This is me. I'm a pragmatic guy, don't really have serious body image issues (don't get me wrong I have notes, but I've never felt the need to look "muscly"). For those reasons I've never been great at working out just for the sake of being active. The only things that seem to motivate me are exercising via fun sports like bouldering, longboarding, or biking, or doing some calisthenics at home specifically to improve my stamina when I'm out bouldering, longboarding, or biking. So find physical hobbies!
Get a friend to do exercises with. Do calisthenics at a friend's house. It's very hard to work out by yourself, but very easy with a buddy.
If your life sucks, that can be exhausting. I agree with orbituary - do yoga and calisthenics.
Yes. Having excuses can be a major part of the problem too.
I suggest to make 'having excuses' one of your former habits now.
Not to be a jerk, but you're making up a lot of reasons why you cannot do something. it's your choice, but the results will also be yours.
Your young enough that everything should be working fine
Change your diet to not be hostile to your health
- remove sugars
- remove alcohol
- keep your blood glucose as low as possible all the time
Get some sunlight exposure everyday, on your bare skin
Do some level of daily exercise, walking, stairs.. anything to get your body moving and the blood flowing
If you want more guidance you can see a functional medicine doctor and get checked out, or explore more extensive eating pattern improvements like a ketogenic diet.
I am assuming as low as possible means not eating huge amounts of sugar, not going into hypoglycemia regularly ;)
s/huge/any/
Unless your diabetic, you don't really have to worry about hypoglycemia, not eating sugar/carbs is the single biggest thing people can do for their health.
No this doesn't sound normal. Do you have any other symptoms, including things you might think are normal but that other people your age don't deal with, joint pain or fatigue for example?
I thought I was just someone with the knees of an 80 year old, but then I got diagnosed with fibromyalgia, which is almost certainly a misdiagnosis of Ehlers Danlos Syndrome. Severe varicose veins at a young age is a known symptom of vascular EDS, not something you want to take lightly, I'd suggest trying to rule it out if you do have other symptoms as it's life threatening.
I have no reason to diagnose you, so don't take my suggestion of EDS that way. It's just worth taking things seriously if your quality of life is being impacted because it might save you a lot of pain in the future. Hence be on the lookout for other problems and consider that they may be related. You should also be careful of doctors dismissing your symptoms as it's extremely common for illnesses like this to be dismissed as "all in your head" especially if you're a woman.
Regardless of other symptoms, I'd still suggest you take it seriously and be sure your doctor is doing the same and not just declaring you healthy for no obvious reason.
Here's a list of other symptoms I have
- Non restful sleep (I wake up feeling exhausted)
- I sleep with a body pillow because my body is too uncomfortable to support itself
- Insomnia
- Brain fog
- Extreme fatigue
- Tendons that like to dislocate (clicky/crunchy joints)
- Constantly getting injuries from light exercise
- Joint pain from everyday activities (it's physically painful to use my phone while I write this)
- Regular muscle twitches
- Widespread aches and pain
- IBS
- Acid reflux/heartburn
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The 30's are supposed to be the decade where the "check engine" light finally comes on.
Stretch your arms and legs, go take a walk outside for 30-60 minutes nearly every day, and get some steps in. Make that the new thing you do now. Eventually work in some more exercises. You can at least avoid being a heart disease statistic by doing that.
It's less that "everything goes to shit at 28" and more that "as you age your body becomes worse and worse at recovering from shit it used to shake off like it was nothing"
Allergic reactions, pains from being sedentary or from doing exercise wrong or from overwork, drinking and hangovers, obesity, genetic conditions you were always prone to -- Stuff that as a younger person wasn't so much of a problem even if it was there, start being more and more of a problem. And more and more of a danger.
Breaking a leg as an 18 year old and breaking a leg as a 30 year old are radically different experiences.
The better you take care of your body, the less bad it is. But well. You're aging.
The trick is taking care of your body more like how you take care of your car than how you take care of the ant hills in the cracks of your sidewalk.
Wait for the service light to turn on then ignore it for months until you hear a grinding sound?
That's the way I've been doing it since the second kid. But YMMV.
Doesn't work on me, my car is all banged up and I don't give two shits about it as long as it remains road-legal.
Stress can have a severe impact on your health
varicose veins
wasn’t as active
lost muscle mass, like significantly.
Find a workout or sport routine you enjoy and commit to it. Be mindful of you diet. You’ve got another 10 years at least before things start to get sore.
Exercise dude
No, that doesn't sound normal. If you are dead idle physically, maybe. If so, try increasing your physical activity gradually then exercise.
But if the exhaustion persists, insist on getting screened for diseases, maybe you have something treatable?
I will say my 30s were the WORST and it got better in my 40s and have maintained healthy. Was just thinking the other day about how I feel really good, and weigh 10lb more than I want to but not sure I should try to lose it, maybe healthy just doesn't look exactly like I want it to!
Are you sedentary a lot? If so, that's the issue. Start by just getting on the floor and stretching. Get a feel for your body, what makes you uncomfortable, learn about what you can and can't do. Then start working on addressing stuff by stretching and simple things like planking. Then move into outdoor walks and go from there. But don't get straight into exercise mode without preparing your body and mind first. Then everything else will fall into place.
it's the age that rock stars feel is the beginning of the downfall....
I don't know what to say about your personal experience
but I have witnessed positive changes in people who dedicate themselves to improving their own physical form.
yes
you can make your body what you want it to be... but you must be disciplined and focused.
if you're asking me? bicycle workouts are the best leg forming exercises. once you get over the initial hump, it's so liberating and enjoyable.
women who bike have very attractive bodies
I had to learn that nutrition and sports (cardio) are essential to health
Get them to check your thyroid levels, that’s what it was when I was feeling similar at 24. It took years for me to feel normal and have energy again but it’s treatable.
I was losing hair in the shower, I had dry skin on my arms and bad dandruff and I was exhausted all the time even after a large dose of aderall in the mornings. My TSH was 20 when it’s supposed to be below 6.
In my late 20s my doc told me to start resistance exercises to fight off the atrophy, sounds like its coming a little early for you, but not abnormal. I can't recomend enough some basic weight routines that more or less get your whole body. Pilates is great if you dont want to use weights or training machines at the gym.
This is the resource I've been using for free weight exercises https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workout-routines
The varicose veins and skin sagging reminds me a lot of the condition I have, Ehler's Danlos Syndrome (EDS). I was diagnosed at your age and am 30 now. I need things like to use a cane or a walking frame, and other supports at times. Not saying this is for sure what you have but it might be worth bringing up to your doctor because I spent several years wondering the fluff was going on until I found a good doctor that helped me figure it out.
Other signs can be:
- Bruising easily
- Getting dizzy when you stand up
- Having stretchy joints, especially elbows, fingers, lower back (touching toes) and knees
- Stretch marks that seem to get bigger, even without weight gain
- Scars that get worse over time, or keloid scars
As someone older. I’ve come to find that it’s part of the cycle. Some days I’m great and feel as good as I did in my teens and other days I get winded walking up a flight of stairs.
The biggest thing now is maintenance. Regular stretching, cardio, and strength training, coupled with better lifestyle choices, less booze, junk food, and smoking. It’s sadly the only thing I’ve found that actually works. I don’t do that stuff enough but when I am disciplined enough to do all that, I usually feel pretty good day to day.
As for the varicose veins, I have some that are super noticeable. Compression socks have been my saving grace there. I wear them pretty much everyday, not so much on the weekends, and every time I travel. You can also get them removed through minor surgical means.
There are a lot of different socks out there, most of them are more like hose than socks. I use Bombas socks because they actually feel like regular socks except they go up to my knees. I use the 15-20mmhg compression in their large size and they work well for me.
Bombas also has a good return policy, I was trying to narrow in on the size and compression level and after the first pair was too big, i asked them if I could swap and they just sent me the smaller size for free. I’m a bigger guy if that helps you find the right size.
They aren’t cheap but they also aren’t crazy expensive. I just asked for socks for Christmas and a birthday or two and ended up with more than enough to get me through a week.
Im 45 and im fine, i do hard physical labour without much stress. No (big) health issues. The trick is to not be overweight, and have a decent lifestyle. And it's not like im some kind of health guru, i smoked until i was 36, i never played any sport, sat around gaming... It honestly doesn't take that much to be healthier. So really all the people complaining that things go downhill after you're thirty are full of shit. There is no reason why you can't grow muscle, endurance, and generally condition yourself way into your 50s. If your body is breaking down after 30 you either have physical problems or you aren't actually living healthy in earnest.
Genetics play a role as well. Not to brag, but my siblings and I still look young for our age even though we are in our thirty's. One of my friends also still looks good.
What you say overall though is correct that lifestyle plays a massive role. In my friend group, only me and my said friend still look great for our age, and perhaps because our jobs are more physically demanding. The rest of my friends have office jobs or working from home, so they do not get more physical exercise and gained weight severely. But having office jobs is not really even much of an excuse not to exercise. I work on shifts but I exercise when I get days off. To be honest, I find that too many people can be hedonistic and gets turned off by slight feeling of discomfort, which is why they don't exercise.
Doctors said I'm fine btw. I'm just so exhausted and it's depressing seeing this shit.
They don't like saying "well I don't know".
Have you ever tried an exclusion diet?
I was honestly desperate and fucking dying, doctors dismissed me, but then I figured out I had Non-celiac gluten insensitivity.
Feels like I got my life back.
It might not be that for you, but diet is a huge thing, and by "exclusion diet" I mean eating basically only rice, potatoes, fish or chicken for a week or two. Those are basically devoid of allergens, gluten, dairy, nuts, everything.
Because some allergies can do you harm without being obvious like "closes your throat youre gonna die" obvious.
Idk prolly not that but who knows and would it hurt to try?
When you're younger, all it takes to be healthy is just to not do a lot of unhealthy stuff. Around 30, health becomes something to upkeep. You need to eat healthier and exercise regularly. Good enough is no longer enough.
It's not that hard to eat better and work out. After a couple weeks it becomes routine.
It's not hard but personally, as a habit based person, it was VERY hard to start. But like you said, once the routine starts, you'll hate yourself for not doing it lol
Yeah, it really helps a lot to have a "gym buddy" to work out with, or else it's just too easy to never get started.
I’d say everything slowly goes down hill starting at 25 but drastically worse by 28 means you need to see a doctor. You’re either not okay or living a bad life style.
You said the doctors cleared you, but.... I'd get a second opinion
Had my first major injury at 27, that's how it starts...
Slipped in standing water and mashed the meniscus in my left knee, it swole up to the size of a pumpkin. Never been right since.
Top half of my leg went like this: ↩️
Bottom half of my leg went like this: ↪️
No that's not till you're older. Did you have covid? That can cause lingering issues like that. That can improve over time but maybe not completely.
Looking at your past posts you might have mental health issue like depression. You could see a psychiatrist about that maybe. Re COVID, maybe look at r/longcovid on Reddit and see if your symptoms compare. I hope things clear up for you.
Body starts aging at around 20 if I recall correctly.
Doctors said I’m fine btw.
One thing you might want to do is see another doctor and get another opinion of your physical condition? I almost lost my eyesight because of an incomp, I mean, with a doctor that was not that well informed. Had I not decided to check with another doctor...
Well, then I'm sorry but my suggestion is useless. I don't know what to tell you. We're old getting older (at 50+ I feel like a legit wreck, but I'm still in better shape than in my 30s: I mean my body is wrinkled everywhere, I'm bald like an eggshell and I have many health issues but I was a legit junkie back then and I was barely able to do any of the things I can do nowadays)
10 years older than you and just got a thrombosis in my arm from doing pull ups. Take care of yourself, take it easy or your body just desinegrates.
Only if you’re a carpenter
That’s not really normal, but it’s common. Make sure you get enough exercise and eat right and you’ll look and feel better.
Most people age more between 25 and 35 than they do between 35 and 55.
Get yo ass a therapist, it shouldn't be acceptable to talk about yourself like this.
Yes I think it is. I've always had back pain from mild scoliosis but it got much worse when I hit 30. I got diagnosed with Ankylosing Spondylitus at 31 which explained why I was getting more extreme bouts of pain in my legs all of a sudden. That disease comes with strange symptoms, in addition to the main ones of rheumatoid arthritus I've also had trouble with my motivation/energy levels and uveitis (eye inflammation) problems.
It kind of makes sense on some level that after your mid/late 20s your body has stopped growing and started its slow process of dying. I'm lucky I've still got all my hair I guess although that randomly fell out for a year in 2021!
Doctors said you’re fine?
Exactly what is “fine”?
There could be a lot you’re not telling us, not that I’m expecting you to post personal info here. If you’re overweight and/or sedentary and a blood test shows things are normal this does not mean things are “fine”. You shouldn’t be falling apart at 28. You should be hitting a stride. I can only offer the most basic suggestions. Permanently change your foods to healthier options. Get exercise. If walking sucks, find a gym with a pool and swim so pounding the pavement doesn’t exacerbate varicose veins or some other low-impact exercise. Don’t quit. Failing to try to change only means things will continue downhill. Maybe some psych help? Depression? Good luck.
Because depression and exhaustion aren't debilitating?
Sounds like stress.
There isn't a cure besides killing Capitalism