Steam does what Nintendoes and Nintendon't
1y 2mon ago by lemmy.ml/u/Confidant6198 in memes from lemmy.ml
Steam has this crazy concept where as a game gets older, you don't have to pay as much for it as when it was new! Pretty wild, I know.
Sometimes you don't even have to pay for games. 😇
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Innuendo aside, Steam has some awesome F2P titles
And discounts, including $0 ones.
Hell yeah it does!
It's not Valve that makes the decision, check how many times Factorio was on sale.
I respect their integrity.
Yep. In the case of Factorio, for now at least, it's evergreen. It's priced cheaper than it probably could be honestly and it'll only get better. Likely anyone not interested with the current price tag isn't interested at all. Not going on sale means you never feel the need to wait for a sale. You just buy it when you want to.
Even though I bought the expansion and haven't even played a single second of it yet (factorio burn out is real). It's still the cheapest game I've ever legally acquired in terms of £/s
I find it absolutely hillarious that you measure it per second lmao
You never played a free game even for a second?
I never agree with the $/time metric being used, but it is the easiest. I prefer (enjoyment/time)/$. If a game drags itself out just to keep me playing, I don't value that.
With that said, Factorio is great for this too. Even with the current price (which is not the price I paid), it's an amazing value. Once you consider the mods that are available, it's easily worth the price.
Same thing with RimWorld. They only go down like 10% because they want players who want the game for what it is, not just a cheap bargain. I respect it. A lot of love put into that game.
I wonder when the next Rimworld expansion is coming, presumably not too far off by now? Curious to see what new warcrimes it adds.
GOG is cheaper. Steam does have more franchise deals though.
GOG is also DRM-free and lets you download the game installer as a backup, even if they've been pushing hard for their GOG Galaxy clients as of lately.
Sadly GOG isn't even close to as good as Steam for Linux support.
Indeed, it's not their main goal either. Unfortunately tools like Lutris, while doing awesome work, are utterly overwhelmed by both the influx of people as well as the amount of games. And while most GOG games work with the auto-generated installers, many do not and require custom installers that are often unmaintained and quickly become outdated.
Gog stopped their own linux launcher and instead unofficially partnered up with heroic (heroic got their own affiliate link). Until now it works pretty well.
Gog stopped their own linux launcher and instead unofficially partnered
Stop spreading this nonsense.
Heroic added affiliated links to their software that anyone can apply for (without notifying the users at first).
I have been using the Heroic launcher a ton on my Steam Deck, it is great!
I am not sure if you replied to the wrong thread, good for you that it works for your needs, but
My point is that GOG did not drop Linux support and instead partnered with another company. Not about the quality of the software.
- Gog waning Linux support is completely unrelated to Heroic
- Gog did not seek partnership
- Heroic devs just applied to a program that anyone can apply to.
That said, it is shady to inject links and not notify it on the release note or change log. I think there was a message on their mastodon at some point, and the implementation crashed for some people with more restrictive firewall on their network, there were some discussions on the issues page of their code repository.
True. But for the most part I game on a Windows box. Most games don't have Linux support and I don't want to bother trying to run things through Wine. I have 2 seperate comps for Linux and Windows. I pretty much use my Windows computer for for gaming and blender because it has the better graphics card and processor.
Escept for red dead redemption. RDR2 is actually cheaper for some reason
My experience is that games on Steam are still far more expensive than their pendants for PS4 or similar on ebay (new).
I think it depends on the developer sometimes, for example when Microsoft announced they were going to delist Forza Horizon 4 (June of last year) they put it on sale multiple times at 80% until it was delisted on December 16
steam voice chat
PC exclusive games
Get every GameCube game for free instantly by pirating them
GameCube, Wii... Even switch if you can find an emulator fork that still works
Switch emulators are still just as easy to find as they always were. Most people include them with the game.
Don't forget Wii U! Oh, right, they ported everything worthwhile to the Switch.
something sonething those people who want wwhd/tphd
What Would Hellspawn Do?
Tony Pawk’s Pro Dater?
Tony Pawk’s Pro Dater?
Sounds like a parody porn game
For people who didn't get it: he's talking about Zelda Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD.
If this is what I think it is (The second touch screen)
There is a youtuber working on that in android.
Two notable exceptions!
Yoshi's Wooly World
So cutee
True, it got a 3DS port, but not Switch!
Sidebar in my community has links for the surviving Switch emu forks, but I haven't tried installing them on Linux/Deck yet.
Assume it's going to be far more manual than a Flatpak or whatever for the time being :S
It literally is just install a flatpak, then configure the control scheme in the emu, maybe tweak some settings, add it to your steam library, map the steam controls to the emu controls in game mode.
EmuDeck/RetroDeck automate most of this or you can just find the individual emus in the Discover software center.
... They might actually perform better if you compiled the entire thing from source on your Deck, which is possible to do, but is significantly more of a hassle, gotta set up a root pw, turn off read only mode, hope you can actually find all the sources for the dependencies, know how to tune/tweak the compile parameters to optimally use the Deck's hardware...
Ive gotten Ryujinx working via flatpak... but uh... lets just say I'd have to delve into OCing/PowerToolsing my Deck to get it to actually run many Switch/WiiU games at a playable framerate.
It works, its stable software wise... but the Deck isn't quite powerful enough.
... Also, it could be that most modern emus are designed to map consoles onto traditional PC architecture, and ironically the Deck uses an APU which is closer to many consoles, so it doesn't actually perform as well as it could with better support.
How does 3DS run? I have a hacked Switch so can just run Switch games on that, but 3DS is beyond the Switch's capabilities.
So, I have literally never used a 3ds emulator before, ever.
EmuDeck set up Azahar in a few minutes, a few minutes more for me to find an OoT rom, a few minutes more to dl it...
...a few minutes more to figure out that the EmuDeck parser thing either isn't working at finding 3ds files ... or I am a moron and you just install the .cia (what a file extension name) into the Emu, in Desktop mode.
Add the Azahar emulator itself into steam library via EmuDeck which launches Steam Rom Manager...
Back out into game mode, launch Azahar, launch OoT, and yep, it works, also wow I forgot the 3ds has two screens, Azahar's default render screen sectioning for this is weird, but it works!
Turn on performance overlay, looks like I'm getting a solid 60 fps, rendering the main game screen at double the DS's native resolution.
Start a new save file, go through the intro sequence, run around in my treehouse room a bit...
All works, save for a few instances of the audio playing... a bit too fast, or too slow, for maybe a split second, in a few parts of the Navi flying really fast intro sequence.
... So... seems to work just fine, basically?
Probably I could tinker with Azahar's settings a bit to see if I can iron out the mild audio quirks, but I'd say thats pretty good for a total elapsed time of about 30 minutes, and me having literally zero experience with 3ds emus, much less on a Deck.
EmuDeck handled making up the control scheme layout in Game Mode, which worked fine in game, automatically, I just had to deal with some mild awkwardness of double clicking on OoT with the trackpad to launch it.
Thanks for trying it out! Sounds like it'll require tinkering to get games running smoothly. About what I'd expect!
It might be worth noting that I was running Azahar through Vulkan... which ... I think is currently listed as an 'experimental' level of support by Azahar's website.
It recommends OpenGL for better support and stability.
I ran around more in Kokiri Village, no more audio spikes. I think its just due to how certain cutscenes quick load scene transitions.
Also, I completely didn't expect this to just work, but it does:
The secondary screen, that's touch sensitive on a 3ds?
Well the Deck's screen is touch sensitive as well.
Worked just fine to navigate through the map and item menus and what not, just poking the Deck's screen itself.
I'm just referring to possibly outdated package repos which may not have kept up with the forks and all the drama, but I could be easily wrong with outdated info. I haven't touched my steam deck in a couple months :p
EmuDeck isn't letting you auto install Yuzu anymore...
But it does install Ryujinx for you.
But it doesn't provide BIOS or prod/title keys, gotta find those on your own.
There's also Citron, but EmuDeck just lets you know it exists and won't auto dl it.
Ryujinx has a flatpak (though its a fork) in the base Discover store on a Deck running SteamOS, so its just on mainline flathub.
Yuzu and Citron appear to no longer be on flathub.
Thank you for your service o7
I'm sold
Well not instantly because you have to wait for your torrent client to download it
ultimate
A hacked Switch is a pretty good Nintendo piracy device, too.
If you can find one without the updated firmware
I got mine at launch. It'll be the gift that keeps on giving since Switch games are going to continue to be released at least until 2026.
We already know that the steamdeck plays switch games better than the switch. It would be hilarious if it also plays switch2 games better than the switch2.
Maybe not all games, but the two Zelda games run better on emulator than they do on Switch.
I've been trying to play totk on my steam deck cuz im not shelling out 70 bucks for a game and it runs at like 20 fps. How are you getting it running playably
I'll look into it when I get a chance, I don't remember the details, but it went pretty smoothly for me.
Metroid dread runs pretty great on Deck, too! But last I checked Mario odyssey is something like 10fps, same with the mario galaxy switch port 😢
I made my statement based on popular opinion. I don't have personal experience with it.
It definitely won't play Switch 2 games better. The hardware is roughly in the same ballpark performance wise, but the steam deck needs to emulate Switch 2 games.
Please, you can argue all you want against Nintendo, but just straight up lying really doesn't help.
Steam link to a desktop running an emulator though?
Is there even much competition between them though, I would have thought people considering one wouldn't even think of the other.
If the switch 2s hardware isn't better than the Deck, then of course it will.
Do we know what the switch2's hardware is yet?
If the leaks are correct its:
Full specs:
CPU: Arm Cortex-A78C
8 cores
Unknown L1/L2/L3 cache sizes
GPU: Nvidia T239 Ampere
1 Graphics Processing Cluster (GPC)
12 Streaming Multiprocessors (SM)
1534 CUDA cores
6 Texture Processing Clusters (TPC)
48 Gen 3 Tensor cores
2 RTX ray-tracing cores
RAM: 12 GB LPDDR5
Handheld Mode:
CPU: 998.4 MHz
GPU: 561 MHz (~1.72 TFLOPS)
Memory Frequency: 4266 MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 68.256 GB/s
Docked Mode:
CPU: 1100.8 MHz
GPU: 1007.25 MHz (~3.09 TFLOPS)
Memory Frequency: 6400 MHz
Memory Bandwidth: 102.4 GB/s
I personally don't know how that compares to other hardware though.
(Edit: Thanks for the replies!)
Here's the OLED Deck specs for comparison:
APU
6 nm AMD APU
APU power: 4-15W
(which contains:)
CPU:
Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz
(up to 448 GFlops FP32)
GPU:
8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.6GHz
(1.6 TFlops FP32)
...
RAM:
16 GB LPDDR5 on-board RAM
(6400 MT/s quad 32-bit channels)
Storage:
Steam Deck 512GB NVMe SSD
Steam Deck 1TB NVMe SSD
Both include high-speed microSD card slot
EDIT: More details
https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Steam-Deck-OLED-APU-Processor-Benchmarks-and-Specs.799065.0.html
So basically, the Deck and Switch 2 are roughly inverted in compartitive hardware power... the Deck has a more powerful CPU, the Switch 2 has a more powerful GPU.
EDIT 2:
also the Deck has 33% more RAM.
Consoles can also do more with less since the games are (unless they're shitty ports) designed for that specific hardware.
Yep, this is always a factor, even with PC games.
For example: the Switch 2 uses an ARM CPU.
That is different in significant ways than an x86/64 CPU.
How the system allocates memory is also... a confounding factor.
Sometimes you have just one kind of RAM shared between the CPU and GPU. Sometimes there are different kinds of RAM for the CPU and GPU.
It looks like the Switch 2 is sharing LPPDR5 RAM between the CPU and GPU, as the Deck does... on the Deck, you can use CryoUtils to manually adjust how much is allocated to which.
The Switch 2 will... maybe have a standardized allocation for all games, or allow certain games to adjust the allocation.
And then if course there is port quality, and proton...
It gets pretty complicated to estimate just purely from specs alone.
Hence why the PC centric crowd is so much into empirical testing via benchmarks.
That low ram is going to hurt the new switch pretty quickly, I think. I wouldn't get a newish pc/laptop if it didn't have at least 16g ram these days. They're going to struggle again with ports.
core count x clock speed hasn't been a good metric for about 15-20 years, but if we go by that anyway then it looks like the switch2 will be slightly worse than a steam deck.
Ah yes, the Deck vs. Switch debate. One offers performance and affordability, the other offers nostalgia at premium prices. Choose your fighter: the powerhouse or the Pokémon tax.
Considering the Steam Deck can run just about every console game ever made up to PS2 gen (and a good amount made after), I'd say they have the Switch 2 beat on nostalgia.
I play Steel Panthers on my steam deck, a DOS game from the 90s
Yeah but not the memberberries kind!
Nintendo's been hitting the memberberries for so long that 20 year old games have memberberry moments in them.
2005 GC games: Mario kart, smash, Mario party, animal crossing, Luigi's mansion, Metroid, zelda
2025 SW games: Mario kart, smash, Mario party, animal crossing, Luigi's mansion, Metroid, Zelda
Palworld for the win.
Haha right? Palworld really said 'what if Pokémon had guns and capitalism' and somehow made it work
Pokémon with black Jack and hookers.
And slavery.
And colonialism base building
You can emulate almost any Nintendo game from before 2016 on a steamdeck. Just got to wait a few more years for the switch emulators to get efficient enough to run well on the steam deck!
I still have my GBC with pokemon yellow and a flash cart with (almost, missing the new ones) every GB and GBC rom in existence on it that supports save states, and can emulate many switch games on the deck iirc if I were somehow nostalgic for those, and in fact can emulate basically any nintendo game from history I may be nostalgic for better than the switch, among other games nintendo didn't make.
Which one is the real nostalgia machine? (Hint: It's the Gameboy Color lol)
"Powerhouse"
I know I'm not the standard pokemon fan, but showdown still exists if you just like to battle. The in-game gameplay of pokemon has always been a little lackluster to me and I don't like VGC/doubles.
ROM hacks can be fun, and I have done some self imposed challenge runs. I can't see myself finishing any of the Prof oak challenges I did without emu speedup.
The pricing of this is really going to fuck them.
BotW should be like $10 by now. The fucking DLC for it still costs twice that.
Switch 2 is going to be a repeat of the Wii U disaster.
"No Timmy, I'm not paying 500 dollars for Mario Kart. Don't you already have that game?"
I wish it wasn't true, because the wii u had some great games and ideas, and the switch 2 definitely will as well.
But yeah, a HUGE portion of Nintendo's sales come from being the budget, kid friendly option. When a parent sees a ps5, xbox and switch 2 all lined up for roughly the same price, Nintendo isn't going to be the default choice it once was.
And it kinda sucks because all people do is hate on the switch for its lower performance. The only way to get better performance is to put more expensive parts in leading to a higher price. They can't win in some ways.
what are you talking about botw is free now
Where?
🏴☠️
Yeah but then you have to muck around with emulation.
I mean you could always pirate on device, though easier said than done on Switch (but the Wii U is rather easy to mod, would 100% recommend)
Modding an unpatched V1 Switch is pretty easy, the most difficult part is there’s like 2 main guides and if you try to get support from one group and they get clue that you’ve looked at/used the other guide they’ll say your config is trash and a ban risk lol
Switch 2 proceeds to outsell the deck by a factor of 50
Steam is clearly playing the long game with Steam Deck and Steam OS, they're basically trying to slowly normalize portable gaming pcs. If they achieve this Nintendo will not be just facing competition from Steam Deck but from multiple devices from the likes of Asus, Lenovo, Dell (Alienware).
Absolutely. Nintendo has huge fanbase with most of them not caring about Nintendo ripping them off and Nintendo has some of the most highly regarded and iconic gaming IPs in the world and Nintendo has insane marketing budget behind the Switch 2 and the switch doubles as a home console.
I love the Deck but it's not going to outsell the Switch and I think Valve isn't interested in pulling people away from the Switch. Valve made the Deck primarily for Steam users and that's who they're targeting.
Mario Kart on Steam? It's more likely than you think.
"Add a Non-Steam Game to My Library..."
On the Steam Deck? Possible. On Steam? I guess technically possible if you add a third party game. But actually on Steam? Nintendo can't even give a tech demo out for free, I can't imagine what would have to happen for Nintendo to put their games on Steam.
You can also play Minecraft on the Steam Deck and technically you can also play Apex Legends on the Deck (if you install Windows and play through that), but all of it depends on the user being a tinkerer. But the casual gamer is not a tinkerer which means those possibilities have next to no impact on the wider market.
I have a feeling there will be an increase in tinkerers as the cost of staying casual continues to increase to unreasonable levels.
Even PS Portal sales is not that far from Deck. You know, the handheld that people said won't sell
Haha. Not in the US, thank you Mr. Trump very much.
The funny part is steam has the most exclusives of em all.
It also has integrated microphone and you can also talk to your friends while playing 🤣
If you're not being sarcastic, check out "Desk Job" on Steam. It's a free small game which shows all SD functionality.
I've not tested it myself, but others have said it's best to wear headphones otherwise there will be some echo for the voice chat.
And steam chat doesn't require a subscription
Proof (as if it was needed) that just running a reasonable storefront generates more than enough profit.
Of course, and even if they do you could always switch to any other chat software because you're literally playing on PC.
Not allowing strangers to talk to my kid is absolutely a Switch selling point.
And gamecube games... and wii games and n64 games and ps2 games..
If you want to (legally) play Nintendo games, obviously buy a Switch 2. You don't have any other option. If Nintendo games aren't that important to you, and/or if you already have a large Steam library, a Steam Deck is a great option.
Personally, I love my Steam Deck, but I'm looking forward to a Steam Deck 2, or maybe a third party handheld, running SteamOS, that has a nice, big, 1080p screen, better controls, and better battery life. More power would be nice, but not if it comes with a louder fan and poor battery life. Honestly, I'd even be ok if the device was focused on local streaming, from my PC.
Dude, I know you didn't ask me but I 100% agree with your last part. I bought the deck. Loved it, still do. Then I bought an ally. I said, dang, game over deck, but now all I do with my ally is stream things from my gaming PC locally. Id love if the deck had vrr and 120hz/1080p screen but everything else was the same. I'd sell all of my other systems for that and exclusively just play PC games.
Yeah, as long as I can get low enough latency that I don't have to worry about input lag, I prefer having my PC do the heavy lifting. The games look much, much better, but the battery on the handheld lasts much longer. I am really hoping that someone will release a great streaming handheld. When that happens, I will finally replace my Steam Deck.
Why can't you use the Deck for streaming? Does it just need the software? I bet that's out there.
Sunshine/moonlight I've heard works great.
Streaming is built in. Steam client supports streaming out of the box. I guess the only disadvantage the deck would have in that regard is its screen resolution.
Why can't you use the Deck for streaming?
Oh, I do, and it works very well, overall. I'm just hoping that someone will release a device that does streaming even better. I would like a better screen (I have a regular LCD Deck, not the OLED), that's 1080p with a 16:9 aspect ratio. I have a 16:9 monitor for the PC, and I would just prefer that the aspect ratio on the handheld screen matched my PC monitor, so I don't have to fuss with that. I would also prefer a lighter device, with better controller layout. I think the sticks could be improved, I might need to replace one of mine after a few years because of drift. Also, I don't like the Deck's D-pad, and I don't like where it's positioned. These are relatively minor things, but I think they would make the experience even better.
There are plenty of complaints you could levy but $90 minimum is obviously a fucking lie. And don't come at me with 1-2 examples. We all know that's bullshit.
Physical in EU is 90€ for some reason but I thought US physical was still $80
It is - at least, depending on the tariff situation in the future.
If we are being real you could look up the preorder prices of the games and see that 80 dollars is the maximum.
I can't speak for the US but in the EU, some retailers are ignoring the RRP nintendo set and selling games way cheaper.
Even in the UK, where this isn't the case, I am seeing £75 for mario kart. Only £5 more than most games cost these days.
Also £65 for donkey kong which is £5 less than standard.
I appreciate that nintendo games dont tend to drop in cost over time and perhaps like many others you would prefer to try to justify piracy (to be clear, and fair, i have pirated games,tv and movies of the years, but dont tend to do it much these days) then by all means, dont by these games, dont by the switch 2. But dont lie about what it is and what it costs just to be part of the rage.
I find it so strange that the people who pirate games are getting mad about the cost of games they are going to pirate anyway. I am not saying thats you, because i dont know you, but a lot of this rage comes from people who were never going to pay for it in the first place. Its baffling.
But anyway, the point is, if you are going to be mad at it, then at least be mad at what it actually is, yeah?
I think an explanation of the rage piracy people have is that they want to not pirate but prices keep going up so they are even more mad that they "have to"
And no that's not me. I pirated games long ago when I was broke but frankly it's easier now to just buy games. I don't buy too many and I wait for sales when I do. I get not wanting to pay these high prices though. Even broke people ought to be able to play a year old video game for God's sake. There are some games I waited several years for. Because a $60 game really is worth $40 4 years later, right?
That's totally fair. I, like many, have watched in horror as games get more and more expensive. I dont buy that many anymore either. I dont have as much time to play as i used to.
If i am being fair, though, the scope of games has changed significantly since the early days of gaming in terms of hours of content and quality of graphics and what they can do. Storylines, cinematics, everything has been slowly becoming bigger since the days of playing streets of rage on a sega genesis and completing it in a few hours. With 3 characters to pick from and a limited set of moves with enemies that get more health, they hit harder but are just a reskin of a previous enemy.
I dont think 70 or 80 dollars is a good price. It's too expensive. But i also dont think games should be 30 or 40 dollars brand new.
But in saying that. There were games back then that cost more than 80 dollars. And n64 games used to cost in the 60 dollar region when they were new. Same with ps1 games. I think over 20 to 30 years for the price of games to have risen by between 10 and 30 dollars is not that crazy, even if they are too expensive now. 60 dollars was a lot more in the 90s than it is today.
The original ps1 would cost almost 800 dollars in todays money.
Overall i think nintendo are greedy and they go to far with raising the prices. I just think everyone pointing at nintendo need to remember that its the industry as a whole that has raised prices to where they are, not just nintendo.
I'm with you. I feel like games could sanely cost $50-$80 brand new, depending scope, like you said. But I also think keeping those high prices for years is bullshit. It is greed. Honestly though in some cases they could probably make more money (particularly on steam) if they had cheaper prices over time. I waited a very long time to buy RDR2 because I just couldn't stomach the new price. Took yeaaars to get to . I think $40 on sale. That's some bullshit. If they dropped like $5 every 6 months they might make even more money and people like me wouldn't have to wait so long.
Nintendo never dropping the price is the worst. If some of those games weren't so good they'd obviously go out of business doing that. They found their niche and exploit it with greed galore. And then despite piracy being hard on their consoles out of the gate... They still ruin lives over it. Fuck that. Pick one Nintendo, never lower prices or prosecute hobbyists. Can't have both unless you want people to hate you
80 dollars isn't even the minimum. Donkey Kong is cheaper than that. It's on nintendos' official website.
Yes, 80 dollars is a lot and, in my opinion, too much for games.
It doesn't matter. I just think it's important to get the facts before forming an opinion.
You are only adding to the rage with misinformation.
I accept if you say you aren't mad. But you are clearly not happy with the prices if you are commenting here with the message you sent. So i am saying just get the numbers right before posting.
Dude, im not fighting you on this. Why are you being standoffish?
I agreed with you that it's too pricey.
All i said against you is that 80 dollars, so far, applies to one game, mario kart, other games are cheaper.
The prices are on nintendos website. Look them up.
So yeah... facts. The ones on nintendos website.
Did you even look up the prices at retailers? Because it's even cheaper there.
The misinformation is the 80 dollars minimum which you corrected from 90 dollars and still got wrong. Thats misinformation as there are already games available for pre order that cost less than that.
The rage? I mean you are arguing with me instead lf discussing, all of my replies to you so far have been in the spirit of debate. I dont like nintendo. They are a greedy company and they exploit nostalgia and have been milking their very popular forst party games for too long, and it keeps working, which is infuriating. But it doesnt change the fact that you are either lying or misinformed about the current pricing situation.
So yeah. I stand by what i said and i think you should reign it in a bit and lets just have a conversation.
No it isn't $80 minimum
It is for certain games only - the games that everyone will be getting a Switch 2 to play.
Balatro on mobile is $10 why would you need anything else
i also bought it on my steamdeck so i can play it on slighter bigger small screen
10 year old mario kart 8 is like 70 bucks or somethingwith dlc. They have lost their mind and people still pay for it.
Why would people want to buy fun games and support their development? Are they crazy?
Something interesting is that Steam users, (myself included) will ignore a game not on sale, I couldn't tell you why. The only thing I can think of is that we are so used to things being "on sale" we forget that there was a reason it was priced at that amount in the first place.
$60 $70 looks better than $60
Factorio is an interesting example, its never on sale. It's just the price. In fact it keeps going up in price.
I couldn't tell you why.
Because steam always has a plethora of amazing games on sale. You could never buy a full price game and still never run out of awesome things to play. And even if there is a particular game you want, it'll almost certainly be on sale within a few months. I'd have to double check, but I don't think I've paid more than 40 bucks for any single game in years.
The Steam Deck can run Biebian and Hannah Montana Linux fairly easily. That's not really a selling point just another thing Nintendo isn't bringing to the table.
I impulse bought a deluxe Need for Speed game a few weeks ago for $6.50. I've already played it 65 hours. I don't want to jump into the math of it but I reckon I would need to enjoy Mario Kart for much greater than 650 hours before I would get the same hours per dollar value NfS: Heat has brought me thanks to a Steam sale. And Mario Kart could never catch up in miles per hour.
Just a heads up you'll get to learn how to navigate Linux if you change your mind on the starter car. The only way I could start a new save file was by manually deleting the old one in the file system. It was a little frustrating but served as a good reminder that it is a handheld computer not just an outlet for gaming.
The steam deck is awesome. I love my little handheld computer.
You could even buy something like an ROG Ally for a similar price and still get a bit more performance
How well does Dolphin run on the SteamDeck?
Runs great, been playing though the Metroid Pimes series with PrimeHacks. Solid 60fps
Ugh you've just given me a new Deck project!
Really really well. Haven't encountered a single game that didn't run flawlessly.
I thought you meant the file browser Dolphin for a second lol, which is the filebrowser the Steam Deck comes with by default.
They should switch to thunar for this reason and this reason only.
I can't talk to my friends while I play my deck? News to me
Pretty sure you can.
I mean it's a Linux computer. So you could prob just call your friends on discord.
Exactly
No, you're not allowed. You need to pay special Talking To Friends license
Was $90 the minimum? I thought it was the maximum.
$90 for physical, $80 for digital. You get to save $10 so Nintendo can later take it off their marketplace, and remove your access to the game.
Pretty sure this was confirmed to be untrue, at least for US pricing.
yea, in the us it’s 80$ for both physical and digital games (at least the new mario kart i believe donkey kong is 70$)
which is still way too much, like, why make up numbers when the reality is already bad cmon
It's not even way too much. Plenty of big games cost that much in the 90s. Accounting for inflation and the fact that games are way more expensive to produce nowadays, $70 is extremely reasonable.
Correct. UK and EU pricing has more expensive physical, I believe.
1 billion dollars
Maximum is only limited by greed of corporations.
It's neither. They have announced two game prices so far. One was $80 the other was $70. I'm of the opinion that they are going to start implementing a kind of tiered pricing, but that's just a shot in the dark.
LMAO Nintendo buyers are not even part of this conversation. Their community is basically tied with the loyalty they have provided for years and now it's time to cash it in
I don't know what Nintendo was thinking by doing the Nintendo tax bullshit harder than ever during a time when Americans are facing such heavy financial burdens
These tariffs suck for sure, but America is not the center of the world : the pricing of these games is insane and looks like a poor marketing decision globally
I'm aware, but it's worth noting since America is usually a big consumer country, and right now, we can't onsume.
The Switch has the Switch tax. The Switch 2 will have the Switch 2 TARIFF.
Most likely they came up with the plan while people thought Trump was not going to do the crazy stuff he kept talking about...
To still go through with it and have Doug Bowser give this "Do you guys not have phones?" level bullshit defense?
It seems these idiots do not have the emotional intelligence we try to enforce in toddlers to recognize when a mistake was done, make apologies and rectify... instead they quadruple down and keep pushing as if their idea is now even more genius than before.
This is how we end up with Trump literally destroying the US economy while people wonder "is it outrageous stupidity or intergalactic 17 dimensional chess?"
We have never (to my knowledge) lived in a real life, non analogy, of the Emperor has no clothes
Switch 2 also added a new button just to advertise their subscription, turns out that C button stands for "CASH PLEASE UwU"
They changed that other button so when pressed it takes a picture of your billing info
So, hypothetically, if a friend of mine wanted to play some switch games on his/her steam deck, where would be the best place to... aquire said games? Again, purely hypothetical.
A friend of a friend of mine mostly uses this site, but you can always check out the piracy megathread. https://nsw2u.com/
Wouldn't AYN Loki or Odin be better for pirated games?
I guess you know better links haha, that is just the one I know
Ziperto's a good place to check in addition to the other site linked.
Hypothetically of course
I love my Steam Deck but it doesn't have Mario Kart or even anything like it
It does if you run Dolphin.
What if I want to play Mariokart World online with my friends?
Then you and your friends are accepting of the problem.
That's still just Nintendo with extra steps.
Yeah but if the steps are piracy, then fine.
Sure. But this is an argument for piracy far more than quality.
If you've got the money to burn and consider emulation a hassle, you're still buying a new Switch (tariffs pending)
I have nothing against piracy. I'm just lazy.
Bro doesn't know about dolphin
lol there are so many racing as well as cart games, and the fact you can run literally any Nintendo game on PC
None of them really compare, and I'm not really interested in setting up emulation.
you'll pay the price, one way or the other
C'est la vie.
SuperTuxKart exists for a native Linux kart racer, and it's FOSS on top of that. Oh, and since STK is FOSS, I can imagine there are some tracks as intricate as anything in modern MarioKart if not moreso, that the community around it made for it.
SuperTuxKart is a neat indie game, but I really would not compare it to Mario Kart or try to recommend it as a substitute.
Isnt there an open source linux cart racer?
The nickolodeon cart racer is fun and I have heard one of the sonic cart racing game is real good.
You can also install a Switch emulator and just keep it even if Nintendo cease&decists again.
Not a Nintendo fanboy. But their own IP games are truly fun. That alone is enough incentive to buy the switch
To emulate* on my desktop 😌
This.
Yeah, this is the only reason I have a Switch. I'm a sucker for their first party games, and I will probably buy a Switch 2 for Mario Odyssey 2 alone.
The switch direct unironically made me want to get a steam deck. I guess no rush, though.
I was waiting for the reveal to decide, and they did an excellent job getting me to choose a Steam Deck. I'll be sure to put as many Nintendo games on there as possible just because I know they hate it.
I wonder if a Deck 2 is going to ever come out.
Sadly the trend of $80 for a digital copy of games will be copied by every major AAA studio in the following years if Nintendo succeed. The switch 1 games are not pricer than others at launch, they just never for whatever fucking reason become cheaper.
And then AAA studios will see their games stay on digital shelves indefinitely and pirating skyrocket and they'll learn that they're not nintendo and trying to be will bankrupt them.
Only on extremely rare occasions have I spent more than £40 on a game for my Steam Deck
For your Steam Deck. And your Linux laptop. And your Windows desktop. And your next handheld, which might be an MSI Claw or Lenovo Legion. And so on...
I already made a joke similar to this in another thread in another community, but... SteamOS does! What Windon't.
Talking about being able to play gamecube games on switch 2 as though Dolphin doesn't exist... or rather they wish it didn't.
"You can put pirated stuff on me and I don't give a fuck. I'll even help you run them through Steam."
GTA6: Hold my beer.
I'm really interested in the reaction now that Nintendo has popped the seal, because I think GTA6 even if it launches a buggy mess, ive seen people say they would pay $100 for it.
Can anyone explain why there is so much hate against Nintendo?
See post image for answer, also ridiculous litigation for emulation.
Also ridiculous patent trolling.
Nintendo has been very anti-consumer for fuck I don't even know how many years at this point. They get into lawsuits more than they get into game development. Shutting down fan projects any chance they get. Any dick move a company can make Nintendo has made it
Nintendo has been very anti-consumer for fuck I don’t even know how many years at this point.
About 40. Maybe more.
The whole basis of both the love and hate for Nintendo is that they are a 90s company with modern tech
Let's be honest : the love is from one single thing - Nintendo's game design.
Shigeru Miyamoto, and all the other major design leads at Nintendo like Masahiro Sakurai have been at this singular company for most of if not their ENTIRE careers and have done nothing but make video games for 40+ years now.
The game industry at large is riddled these days with 20-somethings and interns who've never shipped a game, or who are in survival mode and trying to just keep their heads above water employment-wise.
Many older game devs get burned out and change industry, or quit after a decade or so, and even the ones that stay never stick with the same company because so many cut staff after any game ships... except Nintendo and maybe a couple of other companies out there.
And it SHOWS. Nintendo's game designers - like a 60 year old master carpenter or woodworker or a dwarven master blacksmith - have honed the artisanal craft of game design to a level of mastery otherwise unseen.
Yes Nintendo sucks at pretty much everything else not related directly to game design, but there's a reason everyone tried to make their open worlds more like Breath of the Wild, or why Astro Bot seems to share so many platforming similarities with masterful 3D Nintendo platformers like Mario Odyssey, and why so many companies tried to copy Wii Sports at the height of its popularity.
Even games like Smash Bros have no comparable equal. Yes Sony did their own melee game featuring their IP, but to even try to compare the 2 games is a joke.
Outside of their masterful gameplay design... Nintendo IP is on the same level as Disney. Everyone else isn't even Warner Bros. Animation Studios. They're Hanna-Barbera.
It sucks that Nintendo is being greedy, but that Donkey Kong game DOES look fun and charming as hell and that Mario Kart game is something everyone will still go bonkers for.
It's the internet hate machine. Everyone has hobbies, and some people's hobby is to hate things. All kinds of things. Celebrities, sitcoms, children's movies, but especially video games.
It doesn't matter what you put into the internet hate machine; the only thing that comes out the other end is hatred. It's not fact-based or even experience-based. It's just pure negativity, perpetuated through shitty memes and circle jerk forum comments.
The claim in this meme isn't even true. It was debunked days ago. Doesn't matter. It'll keep getting repeated by people on the internet who copied it from other people on the internet. The definition of a circle jerk.
The internet hate machine has killed lots of good media. It's a shame to see Nintendo get caught up in it. I hope it doesn't stick.
I got a Switch for ACNH and BoTW, but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay Nintendo's exorbitant prices for a new system and games. I'll experience it vicariously through others.
Speed run all games pirated any %
oh but you have to pay extra to have access to the GameCube games. in addition to being able to play online.
man if i didn't love splatoon so much id stop bothering with Nintendo
Not to mention that the build quality of the Deck is miles ahead of the shitty Switch.
Who the fuck is paying $90 for a Nintendo game? I didn't pay half that for the whole Star Wars set.
Who the fuck is paying $90 for a Nintendo game?
No one, the most expensive games on Switch 2 so far are $80. The meme is spreading false information just to make people angry and farm upvotes.
Digital is 79.99. Physical game card is 89.99.
n65 games are going for $50/cartrige these days. They're actually a commodity.
You don't live in Australia do you
All our games cost $100AUD even on steam
My sole motivation for ever buying a Nintendo product would be for Pokémon.
I'm not saying you should stop, but I am saying people like you are the reason pokemon is so bad these days.
Seriously, a real fan needs to have standards, otherwise you're just a simp. Scarlet and Violet should have been the final straw - though sword and shield should have been better too...
I am still not going to buy one. Just that it's the only reason I can think to get one
Me too except that they've already indicated pretty much to everyone that they're not going to in any way innovate on the idea.
Everyone knows what Steam does better, but there are a few things I wish they'd improve :
- more granular touch display
- higher resolution screen + larger higher res touch pad surfaces
- TMR sticks
- a REAL dock with simpler connection of some kind that doesn't require a weird USB-C connected cable dangling off the top (but still would support 3rd party docks with that USB-C port)
- better vibration motors
- pressure sensitive face buttons (this hasn't been done standard since the PS2 era, but would open up the possibility of PROPER PS2 emulation for games like MGS2 and MGS3, which STILL hasn't been done right thanks to the disappearance of pressure sensitive face buttons)
- hot-swappable batteries that can be charged in the Deck or externally if needed
- haptic triggers
- NFC
- built-in microphone array to allow voice chat + isolation
- built-in simple web cam / IR sensor array for face tracking / video chat / streamer setup
- advanced optional stylus with pressure sensitivity / pointer function similar to a wii-mote that can be stored / recharged on top magnetically / wirelessly
Have we really not grown out of this "console war" bullshit mentality?
Switch is versatile, can be played in more than one way
Hold my beer while I connect multiple displays to the steam deck, a keyboard & mouse, xbox & playstation controllers and wii motes.
Clearly you don't know much about the steam deck if you think the switch is more versatile
For a casual user? Definitely he Switch wins here.
If you have experience in Linux it opens up a lot more possibilities on the Steam Deck, but likewise, you can technically do that on a Switch too.
What are you talking about? You can click "go to desktop mode" on your steam deck and it will bring you to a desktop.... like a normal computer...
You can't do that on a Switch, or if you can you have to be an expert DIYer.
Don't insult "casual" users by suggesting an optional desktop view where you can use your Steam Deck like a normal computer is "toooo much for the casual user". Not it isn't. The desktop view lets you use any web browser you want, lots of people need to use web browsers, that is only one example of why a "casual" user might use desktop mode on the Steam Deck.
No you way off the mark here, and so is Nintendo.
I can install Linux on a Switch. Hell, you can emulate Switch games on a Switch.
Go to desktop mode is not a "casual" feature at all. They barely know how to set the wifi connection, let alone manage a Linux environment...
I can install Linux on a Switch
I don't need to install Linux on my Steam Deck, the software and device was designed from the ground up as a Linux computer.
I can also install Android on the Switch if you want. I don't care. I have both and complete freedom om both. The Switch is simply the more comfortable option hardware wise, the SD is nice for the niche stuff.
You are making an absurd and obtuse argument, my Steam Deck functions out of the box as a normal computer.
Steam Deck runs SteamOS 3.0, a Linux-based operating system (OS) built on Arch Linux and the KDE Plasma desktop. It's open source with some closed source components. Here's a quick overview:
You are suggesting DIY installing android (eeww) as opposed to hmm... I forgot let me check how I get to the desktop on a vanilla out of the box Steam Deck running Linux.
Hold down your Steam Deck's power button, and select "Switch to Desktop." Wait a few seconds, and that's it
Your argument is embarassingly bad, stop spreading lazy narratives when you don't know what you are talking about.
No use discussing if you keep moving the goalpost.
starts off saying how the switch is more versatile for the casual user and switches to saying it can also be modded when you get pushback on that claim.
Yeah they're the ones moving the goalposts 🙄
The PSP was launched in 2004, could be connected to your TV and even could be used to play on the PS3, so yeah is as versatile as a touch screen PSP.
can't even use it as a web browser because they're too scared of exploits
they're so scared of web exploits that they chose to castrate the JS performance of their own eshop, limiting sales of new games
This take is in bad faith, because most people that are going to buy a switch 2 already have a switch and you can play older games on it and it's only 10$ to upgrade if there is a new edition for a game you have. And it's true that Nintendo doesn't really discount older games but you can buy them used for cheap.
only 10$ to upgrade
a game you have.
Jeez, what a good deal, so I didn't own shit to begin with and now I have to pay 10 bucks to get "an upgrade" that I won't own either.
We won't own shit and we will be happily serving our overlords, right?
To be honest, the majority of people buying a Switch 2 is gonna be parents with children, and nostalgia suckers.
You don't have to pay for it, it will work as is.
because most people that are going to buy a switch 2 already have a switch
What, why would they buy another one then?
With switch you can real own a game, with steam you only have a license.
not with switch 2 though, the cartridges are only keys for the digital download as far as I've heard
I thin this is mostly for games like Elden Ring and Cyberpunk 2077, which are too big to actually fit on a cartridge.
CDPR already released a statement that CP2077 will be released on a 64GB cart. Safe to assume the whole base game will be physical which is a plus.
This is misinformation, cartridges with Key will replace only gift cards
Right up until nintendo turns the switch 2 store off.
3ds store are of, and I buyed a game last month
Plus, steam dont will last forever
First-party games are still fully on the cart and the Game-Key Cards are a cheap option for third parties, for now.....
I personally don't trust Nintendo to not try this on their first-party titles at some point though.
At least the game key cards are still transferable and not tied to any one account or device
Nah, Japan and Nintendo particularly has a big culture around physical ownership. That's why they were so behind on an online store and why the current one is also bad - they don't put an emphasis on it.
Even the game key cards are novel - it's technically a way to sell digital copies of games via physical hardware, which no other company has ever done (I don't think there's any other big companies that offer you seem digital copies at all actually) - at least, while servers are around. You can even let friends borrow them.
Not with the Switch 2 bringing back dongle DRM and applying it to downloaded games ala the Game-Key Card.
You could use other game stores
GOG and itch is the only I know, but is a little dificult get them on steam deck
There are freaking expensive games on Steam just as there will be cheap indie games on the Switch 2, the meme is pretty stupid.
The point is I can play my entire steam library wherever (on any pc or steam deck) and will keep said library on any future PC or steam deck.
No need to buy the same game on multiple consoles overtime.
Steam vs Consoles and steam is winning.
Nope, that wasn't the original point at all, you're just moving the goalpost.
Also, just keep your consoles if you don't want to potentially lose access to the games you had on them. If I don't have a PC anymore I can't play my PC games. See, it's the same thing!
First party switch games vs first party valve games then?
How many first party games does Valve release every year?
The average is pretty close to zero at this point
I'd rather give money to the company with the more consumer-friendly device.
I don't care about the origin of a company as much as I do about whether or not they engaging anti-consumer practices.
Valve is based in New Zealand isn't it?
No, Bellevue, Washington.
Japanese corporations are known for being unethical too to completely fair.
(Pssst! My friend! >!"to be"!!<)
Correction: Black Companies in Japan are unethical
Black companies being the term for what you and I know as evil companies like amazon for example
This is like me saying
"European corporations are known for being unethical too to completely fair." (Was going to use america in this example but that countries gone down the shitter) because some employers are unethical.
I hate how people online have some sort of hate boner for Japan where they take some small issue and say the entirety of Japan is like that.
I couldn't really find the right wording. That was my bad.
That’s because 90% of steam games are trash.
This statement manages to be sorta true while also missing that there's more great games on steam than the entire, mature Switch 1 library.
Right. "10% of a million versus 50% of a thousand" type situation. Plus, Steam's pretty good at promoting the better games, even the obscure ones.
I dont think you're wrong but Luckily Steam has a decent algorithm for making sure the best games rise to the top of your store page based on your similar games played/wishlisted.
They have that I agree. The steam deck is at least $300 more than the switch 2 where I live so to me the comparison isn’t fair.
Edit: i just went online and $110 for a dock is insane, I don’t know why steam doesn’t get called out for that. The steam deck i want is already $800+ tax
That 10% that's good is still a larger library than you could ever reasonably expect to play, even if you don't have a job. But I also think there's a massive amount of games that could be good and just no one's played them.
This is a crazy generalization.
Kinda the point of my comment, nobody sees the irony. I just went on steam and there are games that are $120+. All these companies have varying games and prices.i just want people to remember that Steam is a corporation and Gabe is a billionaire. Don’t let them pull the same shit musk did, stop worshipping corporations and billionaires and posting memes to start some sort of brand corporate team war
Personally I don't ever advocate for billionaires but I've been using steam for a long time and they have very consumer friendly return policies. Would I like them to take less of a cut from the devs and clamp down on micro transaction bullshit? Absolutely. Are they actively trying to fuck my like most big corps? I don't really think so.