Banning those who disagree gives you this
1y 2mon ago by lemmy.world/u/Mickey7 in reddit
True, but it also reminds us what happens when someone on Lemmy gets downvoted, reported and banned for having their own valud standpoint, which is not accepted by the majority of us.
We should keep in mind that we are prone to making the same mistake.
We are, but at the same time having parallel communities helps with that
world@lemmy.world mods are regularly featured in yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com , which leads more and more people to alternatives like world@quokk.au
We are, but at the same time having parallel communities helps with that
Does it though? Seems to me that we just end up with two echo chamber communities where there's no cross pollination of ideas and no challenges to our viewpoints. It's good that people still have a place to interact but self segregation along ideological lines isn't healthy for anyone over the long term.
As an example it's why I'm still subscribed to communities over on .ml. They challenge my base reality and expose me to viewpoints that I wouldn't consider on my own.
As an example it’s why I’m still subscribed to communities over on .ml. They challenge my base reality and expose me to viewpoints that I wouldn’t consider on my own.
So it's working?
I wouldn't call .ml and hexbear or similar as broadening your horizon, it's a very insular community that does not allow dissent. And often resemble their conservative counterparts.
So it’s working?
How so? I'm having to go out of my way to find and engage with people who have alternate viewpoints & lifestyles because they tend to get pushed out of / banned from "regular" communities. That's the exact problem being discussed here.
In the broader context of the meme itself people start thinking they are in the majority because they are participating in online communities that have been carefully curated over time to silence anyone who disagrees.
In what way do you have to 'go out of your way' to interact with ml or hex?
Are... they not federated with your instance?
If yes, they're not federated, then you did that to yourself, by joining an instance that doesn't show their posts and communities to you.
If no, they are federated... then just sort set your feed from local to global, and you'll see their posts in their communities pop up.
... The entire point of the federation model is to allow each user to determine ... basically how much of a bubble they want to be in.
You may determine a whole instance is full of nutcases in a bubble, and avoid them... or you may not think that, and retain the ability to interact with them.
Generally speaking... you can pretty much join whatever instance you want, and in so doing, you are accepting the instances that are federated with your own instance, and rejecting the instances your instance admins have defederated from.
You can always join (or even create) a different instance that federates in a way more aligned with your values.
People say that but if you're not a tech bro good fucking luck figuring out how the hell to create an instance.
Piefed has a feature where there are collection of communities, so you dont have to chose if you dont want to. Its very nice: https://piefed.social/topic/tech
Pifed is amazing besides the lack of apps.
Lmao it's like the ancient https://www.reddit.com/r/KarmaCourt/except real, i love it
Enjoy, lot of things happening there
I wonder what percentage of your comments are about pushing people off of LW.
LW mods generally don't have more than one major community. It's not a rule, but we have made a bit of an effort to avoid reddit-style supermods.
- lemmyworld@lemmy.world
- homeimprovement@lemmy.world : https://lemmy.zip/post/35932658
- books@lemmy.world : https://lemmy.zip/post/36097431?scrollToComments=true
- support@lemmy.world :
But yeah, sure, keep pushing an agenda while world@lemmy.world is featured in YPTB every week:
don’t have more than one major community.
Same mod on
- world@lemmy.world: 17.8K users / month
- politics@lemmy.world: 16.5K users / month
So what? At least they're not tankies.
You realize that is a textbook 'whataboutism', right?
I think that is their main feature. To cut off the fringes of leftism and socialist ideas so it has a nice round and smooth bottom
Framing the Overton Window.
A feature for some, an anti-feature for others.
In many ways Lemmy is so much worse the echo chamber than Reddit ever was.
Have you been in reddit lately, not even close
That happened to some people in a community I used to run then I moved it to news_summary@hilariouschaos.com where the rules are different. We are decentralised so if people get censored in one place they can move to another. The fediverse is a true embodiment of freedom and the marketplace of ideas.
Lemmy and any social media platform that bans or censors because the post or comment contradicts the majority is wrong. By majority I mean those using that specific social media platform. In many cases that majority opinion is actually NOT the majority opinion of society as a whole.
If you are looking for closed communities like conservatives and ml then yea they don't allow much disagreement against them. They are there because reddit banned them at some point for the same thing
In many cases on social media the "majority" opinion is crafted by external entities.
Except for Luigi. They couldn't control that one.
Happened to a ton of trans people on .blahaj
The 196 community didn't like the rule that forced them to repsect a troll that was using the gender "dragonfucker" to mock and invalidate real gender identities and sexualities.
Instead of banning a single troll they banned dozens of users off the most popular community on blahaj and triggered the community to make a 196 community on .world
I am still convinced 'Drag' legitimately has dissociative identity disorder and isn't a troll in the sense of ... 'i am in full control of my faculties and choose to act as caricature to sew sow chaos'...
But yeah, that whole... thing... was fucking bonkers.
triggered the community to make a 196 community on .world
Triggered the mods to try to move the community to .world without even asking the community members first
I'm banned from about 180 subs because a mod here decided he didn't like my version of reality.
Everytime I post and I'm told I'm banned from whatever community I never posted in before I block that sub.
Why would I want any part of a sub that blindly and aggressively censors opinions they don't agree with? That would be stupid, so I leave them to their bubble
In my limited experience with Lemmy I would say the problem here is worse, but different due to the whole instance and decentralized thing.
I definitely don't think Lemmy has much ground to stand on in terms of looking down on reddit for the echo chamber they created.
I have been on Lemmy for over a year, and honestly, Lemmy should be looking up to Reddit on the echo chamber topic, not down on them lol. Like, if you thought Reddit was bad with Witch Hunts / Block Sprees / Whatever other tactics to create an echo chamber, Lemmy makes Reddit look like it has the mose diversity of opinions and posts on the entire internet.
I first came here from Reddit. About 2 or 3 months prior to the API Shutdown, I deleted my Reddit account on my own. Wasn't banned, never had been banned, just didn't want an account anymore. Then I saw in a Discord server someone talking about the API Shutdown, so I went to read some posts on Reddit about it. This is where I saw someone mention Lemmy. They talked about it like this place that was open to any ideas, any ideology (obviously not disgusting criminal activity like CSAM, yes I was here on Lemmy for the CSAM raiding early on unfortunately), was not politically affiliated with any political group or government. Sounded great to me, since I don't care about politics and don't want to see it. I have to see it enough in real life and I just don't want to deal with that crap any more than I have to. Just Lemmy users talking about their niche hobbies or groups. Basically, I was sold the idea of Reddit without politics.
For the first maybe, 3 or 4 months, Lemmy was pretty good. Not politically infested, nearly everything was on topic, not a lot of bots or spam. Genuine conversations between people that didn't always agree but those conversations did not devolve into name calling or anything. Dunno what happened, but that Lemmy is gone.
And before anyone brings it up, yes, I am a Lemmy.world mod for c/cars. The LW Admins asked me to be a mod because I was one of the more active users in that sub, along with the other current mod. At first, I said no. I didn't want to be a moderator, and honestly I still don't. But after asking me more and me saying no more, eventually the admins convinced me to be a mod. Here's the thing: I have never had to take moderator action on anything. Don't know if I ever will because of how low traffic that community is. But my mod style is simple: I don't care if I agree with what is said or not. I only care if a rule is broken. Justice should not have an opinion, so when I need to take action I disconnect it from my own ideas and opinions. Kinda like what one is supposed to do as part of a Jury in the US Justice System.
Anyway, the point is, Lemmy and Reddit have pretty much become the same, because they are now both infected with the same basic problem. So I wouldn't say Reddit is worse than Lemmy or better. They both have pros and cons that make them more or less equal, just the pros and cons are in opposite ways. Perfectly balanced, if you will.
I would say that Reddit’s problems are enhanced by complicit admins. I feel that Lemmy instances can get just as bad as any subreddit power tripping mods can be. The good news though is that users have much more power to start a fresh instance and get it popular as the main name of the instance before the can stay the same. This is a big deal compared to Reddit imo, as the ability to hold the name of the community gives a lot more leverage over legitimacy. Take r/manga for instance, I believe most of the mods over there are now inactive. Another head mod has not come in to fill the void, and the subreddit has not posted things like applications for new mods. The userbase feels stuck to that subreddit due to how impactful the name is in attracting users to the community. Sure can offshoot can slowly grow in popularity, but it may be missed by the people that stop their search after typing in ‘manga’ to the search bar.
TL;DR Lemmy has it’s issues, but it is much harder for any one instance’s mods to be overly harsh on their rules as the risk of users jumping to a new instance with the same name is relatively low.
I agree. Of course lemmy and Reddit are the same. The tech might be different, but the format and the people are the same. Reading all this “us vs them” nonsense feels silly.
Maybe there is a misogynist instance for you somewhere: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=19216260
🤣 that's the most mild misogyny I've ever heard. If that's all it takes to get banned from an entire instance you guys are fucked in the future. I can't believe I've not seen this pettiness before. This whole project is a joke. Death threats are a ok, but mild misogyny gets you banned? You all are warped in the head it that's how you feel.
This person has indeed been instance banned from SJW: https://sh.itjust.works/u/MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip
Your own modlog isn't really painting the best picture: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=19133771
Remember when we once spoke about how a lot of Redditors are not people we want here and the culture here repulsing some isn't necessarily a bad thing?
Well.
The instance and communities bans seems to indicate they are indeed getting repulsed
🤣 sure dude, you should look at the comments I was defending against. Threats of murder, misandry, misinformation, harassment. That's all alright with you though. Man the left is so cooked if y'all gatekeep like that. I'm not being hyperbolic when I say Lemmy is much much worse with censorship and gatekeeping than reddit ever was/is.
Edit: censorship for perceived "liberalism," give me a break. What a crook of manure.
Edit2: it's even worse than I thought 🤣. Banned for "ignorant lib chauvinism" what a dumb reason. Censored for racism for saying I don't give Jews the benefit of the doubt after they pulled a genocide against Palestinians.
Despite the wall of text, you're not wrong. This was an appreciated comment. I do think it's incredibly important for folks to remain vigilant, and probably get armed, but at least vigilant as a community. Times aren't good for any lefty when the SecDef says he believes there are "irreconcilable differences between the Left and the Right in America leading to perpetual conflict that cannot be resolved through the political process". Sounds like violence to me, friends.
The left should gatekeep this, yall can always host your own instance and yell into a void
Yes more leftist echo chambers. That's sure to bring the masses to our cause. I guess we don't really share a cause. No wonder right-wing fascism is getting so popular.
we definitely dont share a cause lmao, you're a hateful little bitch, hang on to your gun when you sleep at night
Sounds like projection to me. If you think segregating the left is the correct course of action, I can't agree. Unity is what NEEDS to happen.
but [...] misogyny gets you banned?
Are you surprised that misogyny gets them banned?
Yeah that whole situation was stupid.
I still cannot believe they legitimately think multiple death threats (even if they were ridiculous) aren't as bad as my original "misogynistic" comment.
Most of the mods on Lemmy are a joke and a good majority of the users themselves are lost. It's whatever.
Our only hope is that more users with varying options join over time and they simply get overwhelmed by people having normal ass opinions.
Or they double down and start banning people even sooner.
Only time will tell if Lemmy grows or they will drive into a slow death.
Why are you here then? Banned from reddit?
Isn't that why most people are here at this point? I know the original Exodus started with the whole API thing but I think Lemmy is majority ex-reddit users who got banned in the last year or so. My ban came outta nowhere and they didn't even tell me what rule I broke. When I appealed asking what rule I had broken they instantly denied it without clarifying what rule I had supposedly broken. I had been banned from a handful of random subs over the years for various stupid things but I had never ticked off any admin or anything. I'm not the only person who had an account with hundreds of thousands of karma that was almost as old as the site just randomly get thanos snapped either.
I'll tell you I've never been censored for saying Jews are commiting a genocide against the Palestinians on Reddit. Say it here though and you'll be censored and labeled a racist. I've never been banned from huge swaths of servers for "ignorant lib chauvinism," on Reddit. Not once in the 14 years I used the platform.
I've had all 3 of my reddit accounts banned for that
I’ll tell you I’ve never been censored for saying Jews are commiting a genocide against the Palestinians on Reddit.
I've been censored for that many times. So have a whole lot of other people here. So you must be oen of the luckiest people alive. Go buy a lottery ticket.
If thats your truth, cool, but you cant deny that a lot of people here are reddit banning refugees, and they mostly say it was because of zionist mods pushing their agenda.
If that's your truth then fine, but just know Lemmy is at least as censorship heavy and echochambery as Reddit. About the only thing I can say here that I can't on Reddit is Luigi.
I've spotted tons of death threats, misandry, and calls to violence here. Those aren't good ingredients to build a reddit replacement.
ofc the mf complaining about death threats posts his tactical gear, okay tough guy
Gear for defense is necessary for protection against tankie/fascist needlessly bloody revolution.
Don't be jealous because you can't have cool things in neo-libs California.
Its okay to be scared <3
What's to be scared of? Certainly not feckless tankie keyboard warriors.
Agreed. When I first came here I thought Lemmy would be open to all points of view.
All points of view can exist on different instances. Doesn't mean that every instance has to federate with all other instances
Agreed. When I first came here I thought Lemmy would be open to all points of view.
Lemmy already experienced Wolfballs, the de-facto right-wing instance, which their admin closed once they realized they were hosting a Nazi bar who were actually serious about White Nationalist nonsense and not just joking to "troll the lib snowflake". We tried it, it wasn't fun. Free speech absolutism is a pointless idealist approach to society - building a community where anyone can express anything will drive away people who want useful discussions and don't want to be regularly dehumanized for their existence (not their opinions or acts, but their existence). Diversity of opinion and the freedom to express is productive and constructive, but only up to a point. If someone came on here and persistently and seriously advocated that everyone whose name begins with an "M" should be publicly executed..... what's the point in tolerating that point of view? It brings none of the benefits of free expression. It's a waste of time that doesn't deserve to be taken seriously. And if it weren't so silly and people actually did get lynched for having a name starting with "M", it would be threatening and make people uncomfortable being here. If this "M" example seems too ridiculous, replace it with something equally pointless like "not being straight" or "not being white", which people do get killed for.
If this site were sprinkled with literal neo-Nazis and child abuse advocates (this isn't a mythical "what if", one can go to plenty of "free speech extremist" forums to see these people in action), then would you stick around? I'd go to somewhere else where I wouldn't have to see that pointless trash. And this isn't because of some mindless intolerance of political views - I've had serious political conversations with actual Mussolini-reading Fascists - but because some points of view are inherently antisocial, willfully repulsive and exclusionary, and they inevitably destroy communities. There's no material reason to be open to their antisocial points of view, it doesn't benefit the community or bring useful insight. It's an abstract right which causes more harm than benefit, more oppression than liberty. It's a waste of time and space.
Unfortunately no lol. Lemmy has a handful of stances that are "allowed" and if you stray from those you're toast.
You can get banned from entire instances just because the mod of that instance saw you make a comment they didn't like on a completely different instance and sub.
It's fine though. Each instance can do whatever they want. I do think it inhibits growth and actual discussions from taking place though. If you ban everyone that thinks even slightly differently than you it just means you're left with a bunch of people that all pretty much agree I everything. Not exactly a riveting conversation.
Not just bans. People in the Fediverse are knee jerk blockers too. Disagree with me? Blocked. Wow, now everyone agrees with me, so my take must be correct.
I dont see anything wrong with that.
You dont? Fucking blocked
oh no, please not that...
Yeah ... I mean everyone is allowed to Taylor their experience however they want but I never block people because I never want to put myself into an echo chamber where I only ever see or hear opinions I already agree with.
People arent at the best on anonymous internet forums. While I believe in free speech, I dont believe I am required to sit around and lend them my ear if they have proven themselves to be terrible. That being said, I dont ban right away, I make sure first. I dont feel bad about that at all-- I think it cuts down on slapfights. No one likes slapfights.
good for you I want an echo chamber, listening to stupid mfs opinions for the last 10 years has done me no favors, the type of mf that I dont want to talk to is the one who refuses growth and doesnt change their mind off new information, instead they double down on their beliefs because of whatever stupid reason
See the difference between us is that because I never block anyone I might hear or see a perspective or idea I've never considered before and I might take stock of my current position and change. Whereas with your method you are cutting off that chance and then just locking in on your current stances assuming they are currently correct and will always be correct forever which I find to be an idiotic stance to have.
I can admit that all of my positions might not be perfect because I still haven't thought about every single thing or learned every single thing there is to learn. It is illogical to assume that I already know everything and no longer need to consider anything else.
I don't know about you but my political stances have changed over the years. Certain from a young kid to my teen years. And again from my teens to my young adult years. And yet again as I have gotten older. I am sure they will continue to shift and grow as I grow as a a person.
I research my opinions, I dont base them off conversations with strangers on the internet who all have their own agendas. Republicans are not changing their minds and arent open to new opinions unless the source is one of their own and even then theyll turn on them it its too far from what they know.
Not sure if you are correct. On lemmy we have several different echo chambers with many interconnections. Best seen in the .world .lm flame wars. This might be a rather unique situation tbh and quite interesting for a sociological study, I guess.
The whole image seems made to be satirical. We're all in our own bubbles so for anyone to judge another person for the same thing is a wild take.
I don't mind being in a bubble here cause it is safe and nice to be among like-minded people, but at least I am aware I am in a bubble.
The difference is the immense filters reddit use to ban people, now it's even a new account or a simple comment is a potential shadowban, aside from the right leaning of the site because of musk. I was visiting the shadowban sub, and majority of the people are just getting straight up banned, for creating an account or accidentally using a vpn
Most of the people I've seen on Lemmy do not react particularly well whenever the conversation of it being an echo chamber or a bubble comes up. I would say that most are either blind to it are in denial about it at the very least.
Maybe not everyone agrees with me that this is a bubble, but at least I feel like I am with like minded people and can be pretty sure that what I consider to be hateful shit will be downvoted, and I'm happy being in a space like that.
At the same time, I don't really blame people that don't realize they're in an echo chamber (whether here or on Reddit or anywhere), it's just social media working as intended.
Meanwhile lemmy appears to self select Linux users
Early adopters and technical users are more likely to be free/libre users.
I assume this is your opinion, but you present it as a scientifically proven fact.
I've been online since early 1990s and this is my repeated empirical experience that communities with a technical entry threshold self-select for technical users initially.
Most social network users are already hopelessly confused by the concept of federation and need to pick up an instance.
Are you suggesting this is some kind of modern usenet?
In a sense. There was a varying threshold technical bareer of entry to BBS, ARPANET/Internet, email, Usenet (uucp over dialup for early adopters), mailing lists, forums and communities like Hacker News, even early Reddit and Digg.
Is there any instance that has a poll for Linux questions for the registration yet? If there isn't I would be surprised.
I assume they're just making more noise.
That's because our fans are going full speed because of bad Linux drivers. We have to be loud to hear ourselves over them.
I mean, it’s really no different on here. Giant echo chambers.
We're a smaller chamber but a lot more echo.
We're a smaller chamber but a lot more echo.
echo.....echo
Agreed. Is there any Lemmy group where left, right, and center can discuss issues without some resorting to name calling?
I don't know of any place people can discuss issues without name calling.
Of course you don't, you shoe.
Moccasin behaviour, fr.
Agreed
The issues the right care about are Haitians eating cats and dogs. How do you not call them idiots?
There aren't Lemmy groups where left, right, OR center can do that
agreed
Right isn't welcome here at all. I'm center and this place is hostile as fuck.
Honestly I think that isn't an issue with any one platform so much as it is one of the biggest successes of the extreme right. By being obnoxiously loud, openly self contradictory and everywhere in the media the extreme right has succesfully portrayed themselves as being representative of the entire right wing. This leaves the moderate right isolated, less likely to co-operate with the centre or left on issues where they might agree, and more likely to embrace the extreme right.
TLDR: Firehose of falsehood works even better when it splashes on the guy next to you.
And by choice. Uh, a user has a different opinion than me by about 2 %? BLOCKED FOR LIVE MOTHRFUCKER
I wouldn't say Lemmy is much better though... It's just Reddit but not on Reddit.
Lemmy feels a lot more like old reddit.
New Reddit feels artificial. The written content posts LOOK like they're from AI. Much of the subreddits are now curated. You can't say Luigi.
Here, it's a bit of a wild west. And that's okay.
There isn't much written content posts. But the comments? I'm loving it. It comes off genuine. Human. Real. Even the shitty ones that make me want to downvote but damn do I somewhat see their perspective.
Thank you for yours!
Lemmy users are not better... but Lemmy is.
Apt
install
It has a similar problem, but a better version of it.
From my point of view, Lemmy creates its bubble just by being friendly to one subset of views and hostile to another; and so people with some subsets of views don't feel welcome - and they leave. This creates a kind of bubble effect; but I'm ok with that - because frankly there are some views that I really don't want to see here anyway. Having diversity of views is good, but establishing social norms about what is acceptable or unacceptable isn't necessarily a bad thing either.
On the other hand Reddit (in addition to the above effect) also has a big dose of top-down enforcement. Effectively it has a small hidden group of people who can control what everyone else is allowed to say. They can ban certain words and sentiments; and use techniques like shadowbanning or just algorithmic demoting to reduce the influence of stuff they don't like. So they get a bubble as well, but the bubble can be guided and influenced by the people who control the platform. For my point of view, that makes it worse.
Lemmy.ml bans you for shit and giggles, basically if you don't agree that murderous dictators are the future, you will very likely be banned. If you're new to Lemmy and happen to stumble upon .ml first (and are not a red fascist), you'll get the same treatment.
Lemmy.ml is still a big instance, so chances of this happening are pretty high.
I read that as "murdering dictators is the future" and was like... I'm not all caught up on .ml, but I didn't think they'd be down with murdering dictators. Then I realized I read it wrong.
Changed it to murderous to avoid confusion, it did read a little weird.
since we're allegedly allowed to talk about this here, what was your stance on the 2024 election (if you're american)? I'm gonna be honest, I still don't understand how people came to the conclusion that Trump would have been better for helping Gazans.
I'm 14 and this is deep.
Nah, we ban fascists cause fascists are asshole losers who only want to be taken seriously.
I imagine you yelling this into a chamber and literally listening for the echo.
Imagine he got banned from reddit for saying the same thing, trolling and spamming
I got called a fascist for saying genocide against Jews is just as bad as genocide against Palestinians. Apparently it's fascist now to be against fascist things
EDIT: For proof, see downvotes on this comment. I genuinely can't tell you which platform is more unhinged, this or reddit. Both are special places for special people
Wording matters. In the face of countless 'both sides' rhetoric, this can be interpreted as 'equal harm is presently being done to Israelis and Palestinians'.
Wording does matter, but so does personal responsibility to digest those words and understand what is attempted to be communicated, not just recognizing a pattern and turning your brain off the second you see think you see a pattern
3 downvotes proves nothing
That's literally all of the Internet, not just Reddit. Everyone putting themselves in echo chambers and tuning everything else out. Modern Internet is just people wanting to be told they're right and be showered with worthless affirmations.
I disagree.
Well, you're wrong. And this is the internet, and you're not allowed to be wrong, so...
According to the investor page from Reddit, they have 100 million unique users. Kicking a few hundred here and there doesn't have an impact on that number. At that point individual users are worthless to the firm.
Ironic how they refered to their rule #1 "Remember the human", when I got permabanned for litterly nothing.
50 milliion are bots, a large amount of them are probably RU
They ban those who agree, but it's misconstrued as the opposite too
To me the Bitcoin and crypto subs were a really weird place. Like 1 in 10 are long term investors and the rest are like "lol just wasted my grandparents savings I'm done. And just 20."
Singularity lol, any ai sub sucks if you were actually curious about technical info and its progress, they only would post sensationalized shit like full ai generation, nothing interesting like how davincis dropping ai magic mask, which should compete with ai plugins for adobe after effects, no idea if they drop a colormatching one but if they do resolves even more peak than it already is
Isn't that like wsb most of the time, they act like nothing biggie. Alot of them are rich or trolls
Powerful reddit energy in this post
Reddit is just edgy self aware facebook.
Also, "they" is currently 80% chatbots
Fuck reddit, fuck spez
Yeah instead we just defederate them
I'm all in for discarding opinions. As long as who post them can argue in a civil maner, show souces and accept objective data.
Totally agree. As soon as you see name calling you know the person is a clown. And "I think" or "I feel" is not undeniable facts. I will disagree with "objective data" which sounds like not accepting the source. Forget the source. Something is either true or it isn't.
It's not like Lemmy is different in any way, lol.
Yeah I came across lemmy Because I was told that this place believes in free speech even if it’s something you don’t agree with. That is not true though because I’ve had mods delete my comments lol.
Yeah, it's the same shit.
Dude this is just as bad as Reddit, The same Donald Trump being a Nazi rhetoric, I got my comment deleted that says “Hamas sucks” While somebody else’s comment says they are heroes. This website is trash and quite frankly I think Reddit might be a little better
I just got banned for commenting " [Removed by Reddit] " .
I got banned for saying “ I’ll probably get banned for saying this but if you’re a Nazi or a Nazi supporter you deserve to get punched in the face” in response of a lady that was going around Boston doing the heil Hitler salute
I just saw you replied to me in political memes, can't comment back tho.
Apparently saying "you might want to brush up on history" is uncivil.
Using the term Blue MAGA is trolling.
And then the mods used the Lemmy modlog as an excuse to ban me.
Jeez these libs.
Yes I got banned from commenting on another sub on here Because I said Hamas are terrorist. Mind you the person that replied to me said That they are heroes. Lemmy Is just as bad as Reddit and again I only came on this app because I was told that it had free speech
Banning is just an administrative action. The sentiment behind it is just as present on lemmy and everywhere else. Social forums tend to turn into echo chambers as ordinary users, who don't have ban power but wish they did, use downvotes to suppress whatever they don't agree with.
Lol, tell that to the hexbear and .ml servers. My God, they're worse than anything reddit ever did.
Reddit nurtured /r/jailbait, r/coontown /r/rape and /r/thedonald. Just sayin'
Fatpeoplehate was also a trip to watch play out
Oh yeah, that one was unbelievably toxic. Most fascinating was that many of its posters were self-hating overweight people.
creepshots, incels in general like that whole community, redpill, etc.
Incels were wild to watch playout (theyd get brought up in comments occasionally and id go peek), they had woman in the group originally but then they said femcels werent real, then some dudes tried hookers and even they rejected them becuase of like hygiene issues, like bro not taking a shower isnt involuntary
like bro not taking a shower isnt involuntary
Ouch 😅
I mean specifically before seeing a prostitute, be depressed at home in peace you can miss a day lol
No no, it's fine, I just found it funny how spot on you were
On reddit femcels are just men mascarading as women on the sub
What could be worse than rampant racism and child porn?
Tankies, yeah, it's definitely tankies!
Well I've never been harassed, doxxed, and threatened to be murdered by racists or pedophiles simply because I disagree with them. Only tankies and fascists would do that.
You haven't ever been doxxed period, and racists have harassed killed and doxxed even for minor shit, unless your definition of fascist is very liberal
Sure it was an attempted doxxing because they're incompetent. I'm well aware of the evils on the internet and do a decent job remaining anonymous.
Tankies have killed as many people as the Nazis, actually more. Much more deaths attributed to tankies than racists could ever dream to commit.
Why are you defending tankies?
I'm not, and I dont care who killed more people, why are you defending racists?
I'm not, all I was saying is that tankies are worse than racists.
Edit: they're equally as evil as Nazis IMO.
Tankies have killed as many people as the Nazis, actually more. Much more deaths attributed to tankies than racists could ever dream to commit.
I too love to make unsourced claims that minimize the evil of the Nazis.
Knowledge is power, friend.
Ah, so you're very sneakily using inconsistent metrics to downplay the Nazis, counting every death that resulted from the policy of communists, but only counting direct and deliberate killings by Nazi Germany.
In other words, you are doing deliberate Nazi apologism.
I knew before I even posted that link you'd try to explain it away, but I didn't expect you to accuse me of Nazi apologia 🤣.
Have fun in your life friendo.
So you were well aware that your "source" didn't hold up even before you posted it.
Though it's unsurprising that a Nazi apologist would be deliberately disingenuous
No, I knew you wouldn't take my source in good faith because you're a tankie.
That Nazi angle is wild 🤣. Please quote me praising Nazis.
By "wouldn't take my source in good faith" you of course mean "wouldn't unquestioningly accept it without reading it". You'll notice that my criticism of what you and your source are doing - deliberately using different metrics to give the data the appearance that it says what you want it to - is completely true and you can't dispute it, so instead you're just going to arbitrarily declare that it's "bad faith" and "tankie" to make completely true criticisms of your deliberate dishonesty
And again, you are doing this as a way to downplay the evil of the Nazis, aka Nazi apologia.
Look dawg, you can just say tankie ideology had more time to massacre those under its influence. I won't get mad. Nazis had a shorter run. Who cares about specific numbers when the slaughter of innocents is involved? They both grind up children, women, and men into lost opportunities...
See? You still can't around the fact that my criticism of what you and your source are doing - using inconsistent methods to make it appear like the data says what you want it to - so know you're just throwing out random deflections and bad faith non-sequitors.
Who cares about specific numbers
You, dog. You were the one who thought it was such a big deal to be able to say that Nazis killed fewer people than communists that you went to great length to find and manipulate statistics to falsely suggest it. You were the one who made that claim in the first place. It's much too late for you to try to pretend you don't care now.
I'll hear you out if you can detail those, "inconsistent methods," you keep squawking about.
Lol, I already did, indeed I made sure to repeat it several times, knowing that you would try to feign amnesia. But of course, you already know that - or you wouldn't have been trying to desperately pivot to "well who even cares about the numbers!" - and are still just being disingenuous on purpose, as people doing Nazi apologia usually do.
Tankies have killed as many people as the Nazis, actually more.
Good, fuck them Nazis. Also fuck them tankies. If you're in the fringes, you're likely a monster. That's not exactly a hot take, lol.
Yeah, racists would never harass or threaten people...
agreed
I visit .ml and while I do occasionally get cross threaded with them they are, overall, not terrible. Yes some of the people associated with their instance can be over the top but by and large they are just people with a different viewpoint.
I tried to do the same with hexbear but ultimately couldn't, which may be my problem more than theirs.
Checkout meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
It's not just people with different viewpoints, the admins are actively pushing an authoritarian agenda and censor any dissent against those views. And I have a bunch documented on that comm of the shenanigans they get up to. .ml is more subtle about things than the rest of the Tankie Triad (Hex and Grad) to avoid larger calls of defederation, but they absolutely share the same Authoritarian "ideology"
That's why they sound like conservatives
Not necessarily, they resemble the way conservatives comments way too much, I avoid it as much as possible. They use the same things right wingers use to prove a point
You should worry more about the content of what people say, not the form.
I'm fairly left on the political spectrum, probably further than most, but hexbear and a lot of .ml are left to the max, as in they're tankies. I can't stand right-wingers much, but tankies are worse by a large margin.
Shit, they attempted to harass and dox me when I offered an opinion that didn't agree with their very rigid worldview. I kept poking at their stubbornness then they banned me. I'm a stubborn SOAB myself.
Now I'm questioning if I should continue to use this platform. I've definitely started using it less since then, knowing that this platform is run by tankies.
I agree, I'm not a neo-lib, I'm a demsoc.
I genuinely don't get why y'all use this as an insult. Liberal has been bastardized from its original roots of pretty much modern day libertarianism, which is a deeply unserious party. Not even corrupt neolibs compare to that.
Here's where you might get me, I don't see us transitioning into a socialist system without excessive violence, unless we use capitalism to get us there. I don't want violence that's undue, I don't want the death of innocents, and I don't want authoritarianism from a single fallible person. Corruption is always the ruining factor of any ideology.
I fail to see how those views qualify me as a liberal, not even a neolib.
No dawg, you're thinking of socdems. Which are still better than tankies.
You must hate all countries then because they all use aspects of capitalism to further their gains. I agree though the goal is to ween off of capitalism into proletariat owned socialism. Unfortunately for tankies I won't be used as a tool for their wanton violence against those that disagree. My demsoc flavor emphasizes humanism over hatred.
Aspects of capitalism: private businesses, private homeownership, private agriculture, classism, investments into foreign countries, foreign investment into said country, etc
As long as you're not a tankie or authoritarian I don't really have a problem with many of the particulars. Just know lots of MLs are tankies.
the difference between the "good" MLs and the "bad" ones is completely unclear.
No it's not, Tankies are very clearly defined to be "Authoritarians"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical.
And it's demonstrated by
Perpetuating Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" https://lemmy.world/post/27012640and their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415and even defending concentration camps as "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
I've got Tankies supporting Trump because he's doing what they want: https://lemmy.world/post/28033872and basically stating with Trump it's an ends justify the means kinda thing: https://lemmy.world/post/27950020censoring comments that just say you shouldn't romanticize Stalin and the USSR: https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
And much much more on meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
Nah, tankie is pretty synonymous with authoritarian communism, which is no bueno in my book.
You're apparently fine with non-communist authoritarianism then, given that capitalism requires the authoritarian enclosure of the Earth's common and the forcible restriction of human movement into centrally controlled "nation states".
Capitalism can not be defeated without exercising some level of authority. It's a class war.
You plan to serve in the new empire's army? Becoming a stormtrooper?
Do you plan on defeating capitalism by asking nicely?
The revolution won't be polite, civil, or peaceful. Our enemies won't just let us win.
Read more history, watch fewer movies about wizards in space.
I've had the same experience. Hexbear won't accept any nuance when it comes to Palestine or homeless people.
The censorship and Napoleonic complex moderators on lemmy.world are nearly as bad as reddit
Removing posts of non news articles being posted to the news comms isn't censorship.
Removing non-US politics posts posted to a US politics comm is not censorship.
Removing political memes posted to a non-political meme comm is not censorship.
Removing posts of something other than micro blogs to the microblogs community is not censorship.
Removing posts that break the clearly posted rules of the community is not censorship.
JFC... 🤦♂️
Removing posts of news articles you don't agree with and calling them "non news articles" is censorship. Removing political posts and calling them "non-US political posts" is censorship. Removing memes based on political ideation is censorship. Removing a quote from FDR for pedantic reasons is censorship. Overly oppressive community rules and moderation is censorship.
Sad to see you advocating for censorship on here. 🤷
None of that is going on in the picture posted. Just because you're butthurt about your posts being removed for not following the simplest of rules doesn't mean you are being censored.
Wrong again. You wouldn't be able to judge any of that because you haven't seen what I posted and you're simply talking out of your ass and siding with the moderators and towing the pro-censorship line.
You realize the mod log is public, and I as well as anyone else can definitely see what you posted, right?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14595043/China-unveils-vicious-new-AI-roasting-fat-lazy-Americans-tariffs-chaos-continues.htmlExplain to me how this isn't a news article then. Trash article? Sure. It literally has /news/article in the hyperlink though.
lol. Talks about news then post a daily mail link, my guy that isn’t news that’s propaganda no wonder they said no, un-twist your panties
dailymail
....
IIRC that community has strict ideas about what sources are allowed, and the moderation is consistent about enforcing that even if the written rules are vague. Not sure why people are saying dailymail isn't a news source just because it's low quality. A bad news outlet is still a news outlet. So the mod should have given a better reason for removing it, but I agree with it being removed.
If you want to see real censorship on Lemmy, look no further than to your own instance admins where rightfully calling out RT as Russian propaganda gets removed or even just expressing that the EU has a genuine security concern to having Russian and Chinese militaries on their doorstep
And much much more on meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
About your example: You know you could "rightfully" call out all the US mainstream news papers US imperialist and fascist propaganda and owned by the oligarchs? And then endlessly repeat that.
So "just asking" why anybody would read any article that is obviously from another geopolitical rival is "just presuming" that US news papers are neutral and trustworthy in comparison. And that is fascist speech which is fascist recruitment. Parsing RT doesn't make you pro-Russia.
Also the tankie triad
Also blahaj
Also feddit
Also .ee
:-/
The nature of social media. Moderation takes time and energy (which amount to money). As a community grows larger, the moderators either need to increase their moderation costs or get draconian with their enforcement to reduce the expense.
Reddit is just the Late Stage of this phenomenon. If Lemmy continues to accrue users and follow the Reddit trajectory, where else can it end? I fully anticipate it'll either go full /r/The_Donald with fascist bot-accounts spamming up every channel (a la "Nicole" spam mentioned in the pinned post). Or we'll see mods do full instance purges of anyone suspected of any violation of any rule (perhaps even automating the process or turning it entirely over to an in-house AI) because there's no Lemmy budget to do what Facebook or Reddit tried initially (turning moderation over to sweatshops in the Philippines or wherever labor was cheapest).
Smaller communities speed ran this transformation. Voat imploded inside a year or two. Chapo/Hexbear ate itself over the course of a couple years. TruthSocial is all just botspam now. Some of the smaller instances in Lemmy have imploded to the same effect. This instance has a rather large and active modding community. But it comes for us all in the end.
Best comic.
Always underestimate how many morons are outside the bubble.
The reddit sub teachers had a post recently where a mod was bragging about banning anyone who questioned the post. They were being bombarded with approving comments. Why bother with the post then? It is basically masturbation at that point. "Ooooh, I feel better now! I didn't get even slightly challenged. Next post..."
It sure is too bad the communities on the Fediverse aren't acting in a meaningfully different way...