Firefox Finally Did It (Tab Groups)
1y 1mon ago by discuss.tchncs.de/u/petsoi in linux@lemmy.ml from linuxiac.com
Thousands of users wanted it, so Firefox delivered it. Tab Groups are now live to help you declutter and stay organized while browsing.
finally firefox re-added tab groups, after removing them once already in the past >_>
https://venturebeat.com/mobile/mozilla-is-removing-tab-groups-and-complete-themes-from-firefox/
It looks like the ux is very different this time tho
yeah it sadly just seems to be a copy of the chrome one
The chrome tab groups were what I missed the most when I switched, so I'm happy with the change. It's a little jankier feeling as in chrome it's harder to drag a tab out of the group, while in Firefox if you move a tab to the end it's hard to get it to stay in the group.
It would also be nice if any of it was themeable, but themeability in Firefox is a whole other problem.
As a librewolf babe, I'm keeping an eye on this: https://codeberg.org/librewolf/issues/issues/2458
Tab grouping is so useful and something I've always had to resort to extensions for. Good for Firefox for this, can't wait for it to make its way to a browser that doesn't sell users data.
Hey, you can use tab grouping in Librewolf if you set browser.tabs.groups.enabled to true in about:config
Thank you for this!
By now you would've expected someone to have pointed out what code is actually collecting that data that's supposedly sold.
Yeah, it still seems like an overreaction(with good intentions) to a poorly communicated change, which, yes, might mean they'll do it in the future. But for now, they have the benefit of the doubt from me, and once it starts happening, I'll move to a fork.
That being said, I don't know anything about the code, so I have to count on the community to make it known that it's actually been implemented.
For now, as far as I understand, the only indication that they're even considering it, is that change in the ToS or whatever. Nothing else to suggest it's happening.
I’d agree that it’s overblown and I suspect this reaction comes from users not understanding the complex legal framework Mozilla operates in globally and regionally, and Mozilla doing what it does best, miscommunication.
IANAL but my interpretation of the situation is that in certain jurisdictions, California for example (where Mozilla is headquartered and where they have a legally binding contract in place with Google), they are and always have been “selling” your data from a LEGAL standpoint. It is a difference between how we users define selling (a literal exchange of data for money) versus how the law defines selling which can be much more broad and include things we wouldn’t define as selling.
As far as the law is concerned, again, in some but not all jurisdictions, a) all data has monetary value to tech companies, and b) with Mozilla & Google in particular there is a monetary exchange (ie. a contract worth millions of dollars) for Google Search being integrated into Firefox as the default.
Therefore, as far as the law is concerned, when you type into the Awesomebar or search box in Firefox, Firefox sends (sells) the data you entered (your data) to Google (because of course it does, that’s how the internet works) and this is a “sale of your data” under the legal definition. This is just one example from one jurisdiction Mozilla operates within, albeit a majorly influential and litigious jurisdiction.
My understanding is they had to make that their terms of use because if they didn’t they’d be liable to get sued into oblivion in jurisdictions where using a web browser to browse the internet constituted a legal sale.
Does this open the door to abuse and the literal sale of our data in the future, absolutely. But it’s on us to trust but verify, and do what we, the community, do best and hold Mozilla to account when they inevitably screw up.
Anyway, this was a much longer comment than I intended to write, but that’s my take as a someone who has not just used Mozilla products for decades but also contributed labour as well.
I'm glad they've added it to desktop, but based on my usage it's more important for me on mobile. Hopefully they bring it to Android soon.
A million times this. But now the backend is done, hopefully mobile isn't that far off.
Agreed. But I'm glad it's native to desktop Firefox now. Grouping tabs in desktop works for me to hide the hundreds of tabs I keep to tens of groups 🤪
As someone who is disgusted by people's browser tab hygiene on desktop, I will say that I do have this issue on mobile. But it's really more about how the browser is set up (on Android at least). Every single link I click opens a new tab, and I almost never scroll through existing tabs because, out of sight out of mind.
The problem for me is that I'll keep things open for reference. Like I might have a few tabs open with info about a game I'm playing, or researching a purchase I'm trying to make. So having those grouped on mobile is super helpful.
Why people like 50 tabs at once. I can't understand.
Neither can we.
Jeez. You got 16YB of RAM??
I used to feel the same way. But recently, I just don't have time to 'finish' each tab/section. When I was younger with more time, I could.
For example, the first section of my browser is several self hosted apps I'm currently implementing. So, I don't want to lose the relevant forum posts/documentation.
The second section is some articles I couldn't finish reading.
The third section is something I'm researching for my work.
Fourth are media tabs, some YouTube videos I haven't finished, a music tab, etc etc
So basically, if I had time to read the articles, one section closed. Or finished my implementation, etc.
The hard part this is this is every week. Always new projects, work or personal. Always new studies to read. Always new vids. You get the point.
It's akin to when everything is urgent, nothing is.
At one point, you gotta accept that you can't do everything and move on. You can always re-find the information if it comes down to it in the future. Or you can use bookmark folders to be able to eventually go back to what you think is important.
If I have more than 6-7 tabs open, I check what I need to absolutely save and add that to a bookmark folder, then I close my browser and start fresh.
Yup, that's how operate. I went to help a colleague with some stuff and dude had so many tabs and windows open it took him more time to find the tab he wanted me to see than it wouldn't taken me to search for it. Annoying
Heres a neat easter egg: If you open enough tabs on firefox mobile the number in the tab icon changes to an infinity icon
On Chrome it becomes a smiley face. I use Firefox and my wife still uses Chrome.
Agile and task reprioritization at work.
Too many projects to work on at home.
Games.
agile
Lol sure thing.
You gotta be nimble to navigate through 50+ tabs to find what you are looking for
Hence the groups having the ticket name related to the task I am working on. When the task closes I delete that group once I've ensured anything important for future context is documented and then I say goodbye with confidence.
I don't bookmark things for work tasks, I log them in tickets or commit it to readme/code comments/team docs somewhere.
Edit: I should also note that my workflow uses Simple Tab Groups and not much of this new core feature.
Simple tab groups hides all other tabs and you switch groups via a dropdown. I usually only have 10-12 tabs open at once.
At work I’ll have like 20+ tabs open and I eventually am like F it, close everything and start over. Usually feels good.
Close tab button is a lava
They don't know how bookmarks work.
Bookmarks are great if I remember what I want is there. Usually bookmarking is like putting a piece of paper in cabinet that I will never open.. A tab is leaving the paper on my desk for me that I will rediscover.
Use the bookmarks toolbar then.
This is what I do. You can even create folders with no name that take up very little space on the bookmarks toolbar, and fill them with links. You can have sub-folders within those folders... I truly just do not understand the tab hoarding mentality.
You can also just start typing and set up your search bar to automatically search bookmarks (and history too if you're afraid of losing something)
I do this too. Folders in the bookmarks toolbar. If I'm not done with a topic I just drag-and-drop these tabs into a folder. If you middle click one of these folders every bookmarks opens in a new tab for quick access.
This person gets it.
And don't forget that you can add tags to your bookmarks to make them easier to find again.
I did forget! Thanks
You can hide the bookmark bar to save vertical space and then it's just a more organized, forgotten bookmark list. Using a search engine to find the page again is more likely for me than a bookmaker 😅 (if no tab).
adhd. I'm considering making at alert for when my browser uses so much tabs that I'm almost out of RAM
The only way to keep my ADHD at bay when I'm on the computer is to be radical with my tabs. Don't need it in the next hour? That's definitely a bookmark, not a tab. I configured my browser to not save tabs between sessions so I always start clean. I'd long be dead otherwise, suffocated by my own browser tabs.
Same here... I need my browser session to be new each time. I'll get thrown off if I forget that I had my browser open when I rebooted my PC or something, so it "restores" my session... I'm like what the fuck is this mess? Give me my blank page!
Just install the Auto Tab Discard extension. After a certain amount of time it will replace your loaded tab with a (RAM-free) placeholder that reloads when you click it again. Me, my ADHD brain, and my 500 tabs can be at peace now.
When the tabs use too much RAM I just pkill waterfox and restart it, so the tabs are still there but not loaded, I assume it would to the same ?
Bookmarks? Or if you're logged into youtube, they literally have a "watch later" option to keep track of these.
Text document
"Save to watch later"
Bookmark
There are options
So youll just leave them where you would forget them forever instead?
What's the functional difference between a tab bar and bookmark bar for this specific purpose other than the former taking more resources?
Genuine question because I cannot comprehend
I can't tell if you're serious or not. A bookmark bar will never be able to easily contain everything you need. It requires manual review (expanding the bar, manually browsing every bookmark and re-opening tabs [and you're suggesting to bookmark 50+ pages every week.. impossible]). So not only are you implying it would be better to add 2 - 3 additional steps to the workflow, but also you are missing the very functional fact that a bookmark bar is a lot less accessible than a scrollable tab bar with an instantly opened window with what you were working on.
Tabs also remember where you are on the page. I read long studies, and implement complex projects. Bookmarks will re-open every tab at the start of the page, not word 600. There are just too many reasons as to why tabs are more functional than bookmarks and saving data to lists. A big part of it is the size of the persons workflow, someone with a smaller workflow may not be able to see how impactful those additional steps in the process are.
Yeah, that is just asking for data to be forgotten. The functional difference is:
You have your browser with let's say 30 tabs. You can't forget what you need to, because they are always open. So to catch up, you have to close out your tabs or lose everything.
Compared to adding something to a list, which requires you to manually go back and remember what you needed to do. But if you have 100 things to every week, and those constantly get added on, you will always lose data to return to if you're not actively tracking it, hence the tabs.
It's a very simple concept. A lot of people have a lot less time to do all the things they need to during the week. People on their computers all day, or with less of a workload, can't comprehend this without opening their mind to a different perspective.
I know, because I used to feel the same way about people who had 20+ tabs. But at that point in time, the thought of not having enough time to get to everything and adding 50+ things to do every week (meaning 200 - 400 new tabs every week) was foreign to me, and your suggestion makes it quite literally impossible without extra work involved, if you care to actually complete everything you wanted.
You clearly do not have ADHD. Those are where things go to be forgotten forever.
I do, actually
Bookmark bar is basically identical to tabs in screen location and functionality, so I use those like an adult
Sick, infantalizing others because they don't like to do things the way that works for you. Super cool, man.
Says the guy trying to fuse disability as a reason to insult someone. Grow up
I never intended to insult you, I was merely explaining how my ADHD manifests.
I made the incorrect assumption that you were coming from a more neurotypical perspective, and for that, I sincerely apologize, but nowhere did I insult you. If you took this as an insult, again, my apologies.
to hide thier porn tabs.
live to help you declutter
Me ready to clutter even more 😈
Right??! So instead of clutter of tabs it will be clutter of tab groups… of tabs, lol.
Now that's my kinda thing!
There is only solace in chaos
Hi sorry to bother, how come your name is red in voyager? Tyvm
Hey no bother at all, I think it's just because I'm an admin in my instance
Ahh makes sense, thank you!
I'll never understand you people that need like 50 tabs open at once.
I have a few use cases:
- Many youtube videos that are like 30+ minutes long saved for later
- Documentation on some stuff that I need to go back and forth
- Movies or games that I found, but don't want to write down and forget
- Going down rabbit holes on wikipedia and saving it for another day
- Everything else that catches my attention and deserves a honorable spot in the tab bar
Basically, I use my browser as a notebook. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Yeah those all seem like great uses of bookmarks and save functions.
Bookmarks are only for the stuff I will always need again. Tabs just for the stuff I haven't finished yet and don't want to forget about.
Buddy have I got some news for you. You can actually delete bookmarks when you're done with them.
Sure, I can also just close the tabs I have open. Same thing, but I like it organized this way.
Closing tab is also faster than deleting bookmark
What if I told you bookmarks and tabs have a lot of overlapping use cases, and people prefer one or another because they have different workflows, or just as a matter of personal preference?
RIGHT
So why’s it hard to explain why they’re not the same… 🤔
I will do my good deed of the month. You seem like a prime candidate for Tab Stash. Does the same but better than Tab Groups. Check it out. You might like it.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-stash/
Let me know, love it or hate it. Cheers.
Tab Stash is great, yes. That's the answer.
Do you know if there's a similar extension that allows you to export/import the tabs in some text format rather than saving to bookmarks? I'm currently using Tab Season Manager, but it takes way too many steps to accomplish this.
I did not know that, thanks. The reason I use Tab Stash is because I can use my Nextcloud instance to move the tabs/bookmarks automatically. As for privacy reasons I do not use FF sync.
Moving a file seems like more work and more moving parts as I use multiple machines and different OS'es on the same machines.
Is there some way this could work on android?
I wish. But no. :-(
Hey, this looks like a better OneTab that I always wanted!
It makes me happy to hear that you will find it useful.
Cheers!
So a shit ton of tabs that never get looked at again? I swear all of you secretly want your tabs to disappear so you have something to complain about.
Not the slightest! I can perfectly fine live without them, but I would be a little bit sad if they were gone. It happened once after my OneTab extension got somehow corrupted.
I can perfectly fine live without them,
I can stop any time I want, I swear!
Have you heard of bookmarks? There's a bookmark toolbar, that could look almost exactly the same if you want. Including folders with sub-folders, etc.
So you're saying that pressing 2 on screen buttons, then closing a page is a better solution than creating a group then dragging in and out whatever you need? Sure, I use the bookmarks bar too, but it's not for stuff I'll remove after a while, those are perminent, but tab groups are generally for stuff you will eventually close, but wantto sort in the meantime to make it more convenient.
If you don't have a use for it, fair enough, I don't either, but it is a genuinely useful feature for some that can't be replaced by more clicks.
I have a colleague who even saves all his tabs using a plugin, just in case he will need them at some point.
I dont know, I never have problems finding what I need so dont need to save anything.
Tab groups are great though, I need them so I can have groups with our aws accounts at work. That way i can just quickly get in to any account.
Sometimes I ended up with +50 tabs because I just don't close them. But when the computer restart and Firefox ask me to restore them or start a new session, I always go for a new session. And I never felt that I lost something.
I closed my tabs with the window automatically
Nah, just 200 or more
I used to never close tabs and they would accumulate as I kept doing more web searches and other activities. Now when I need to do stuff I usually open a new window instead for different tasks and if I need to free up RAM then I start closing other windows for tasks I'm not doing anymore so it closes all of the related tabs at the same time
Don't worry they say they'll shove AI in it so it's definitely our world
Can someone at least help me understand what tabs have that bookmarks don’t?
If i have more then 4 tabs open i get anxious because i can’t intuitively remember what each does. I have folders for categories of bookmarks.
It's a combination of things... I'm a software developer, so I'll often end up with 20+ tabs open while resolving a problem.
- I don't want to bookmark them because I don't need them when I finish the task.
- I can't close the tabs until I'm sure everything's working because Google sucks these days and who knows how hard it'll be to find the source again.
- Relying on browser history is like finding a needle in a haystack. Tasks can take multiple days and 100 different entries in history.
- I might have "finished" a task that still needs tested and I know it's a bit shaky; I'll want to move onto a new task but keep the most useful references until I no longer need them.
- I only bookmark pages that I'll need long-term or multiple times. It's already hard enough to keep those organized...
My tab hoarding has only gotten this bad because search engines are terrible now and the amount of AI garbage to sort through makes finding anything useful a pain in the ass the first time; let alone trying to find it a second time.
Relying on browser history is like finding a needle in a haystack.
Oh sweet Satan, yes. I wish somebody could explain to me why browser history is so awful.
I can't stay productive with 20 tabs or applications open. I waste time searching. I feel drained if I'm working on a tough job and need something that is hidden. Maybe it's on another desktop. Maybe it's open in another instance. Maybe it's not even open. Not for me.
I feel you, and agree with most of it.... buuutttt I think it's even more frustrating to know you had a good reference that was closed and then spent a stupid amount of time to find again.
Everyone has their own workflow, whatever works.
I have the same workflow. Usually, I never have more than maybe three tabs open, but when I'm debugging something.... oh god. Easily 15 or 20.
I also bookmark extensively, and actually have my address bar set up to only give me suggestions from my bookmarks. Additionally, I use a tiling window manager, which makes managing windows and tabs very easy. I really don't have a use for tab groups, but, who knows, maybe I'll learn to use them someday.
I also bookmark extensively, and actually have my address bar set up to only give me suggestions from my bookmarks.
This is what people don't seem to realize they can do... You can literally create a bookmarks folder that you never look at again, only search through using your address bar.
You can use a tab stash extension to turn all of your open tabs into bookmarks if you want to preserve what you had open that session. Then you can search through those bookmarks in your address bar.
I freaking love Tab Stash! Great minds clearly think alike...
You need Tab Stash in your life.
Maybe a better solution is to stop using Google...?
I have, mostly. The search engine wasn't the point; they're all pretty terrible these days with the absurd AI spam everywhere.
if i bookmark something i will never look at it again
I only find my saved bookmarks randomly by typing something in the address bar and the bookmark popping up as the first result.
Isn't that the best way, though? I'm searching for something, but now I don't need to do a web search because I've saved the link to it already. And I didn't have to dig through a long list to find it.
Oh yeah, when it comes to bookmarks I gave up trying to organize them into folders a long time ago, and I now try to add a few keywords/tags to the description to hopefully get the bookmark when I type in the address bar now.
if only there was a fuzzy content search included. usually i don't remember the page, or the topic, but just like... a quote.
that's actually a good use for this local ai stuff, take the contents of pages i bookmark and auto-tag it based on that. for that matter, archive the contents as well.
nb will do that for you whenever you create a bookmark with it.
nb embeds the page content in the bookmark, making it available for full text search with
nb searchand locally-served, distraction-free reading and browsing withnb browse. When Pandoc is installed, the HTML page content is converted to Markdown. When readability-cli is installed, markup is cleaned up to focus on content. When Chromium or Chrome is installed, JavaScript-dependent pages are rendered and the resulting markup is saved.
that is... pretty neat. is there some way to get it to interop with a browser's bookmarks?
You mean like syncing the two? Not that I know of. The most you can do is open nb bookmarks in the browser. If you know how to do any shell scripting, there's probably a way to export your browser bookmarks and then import them into nb. I'll have to research this.
You don't have to, my dude, you can set your address bar to search through them.
through titles sure. but that's not what i need from any site.
You are entitled to this but I don’t understand why it makes a difference if the icon is above or below the url here.
If you have bookmarks hidden, thats an argument for a pretty bookmark manager.
i use bookmarks for sites i access frequently, like a speed dial thing. i've set up my bookmarks toolbar to be in-line with the address bar and icon-only, so that it blends in with the rest of the interface. if i'm just going to go back to something one time i leave a tab open until i get time.
I keep tabs open for active projects. Once the project is over, I bookmark them for future reference.
I’m the same way, I think it’s just a younger generation thing where they never close tabs and can have 100+ open at once
Yeah, older folks remember the times before browsers had any kind of memory management w.r.t. tabs. And you had maybe 8GB RAM (and that would have been considered beefy). The browsers themselves were also, more often than not, just straight up memory leaks. The longer you kept the program open, the the more RAM it would take until it broke.
No shot you could run up anywhere near those numbers of tabs before your entire system would get bogged down and eventually the browser would crash (and you'd lose them all)
If i have more then 4 tabs open i get anxious
You are alone on that one. Virtually everyone I know, I look over and they have 50 tabs open LOL
Tabs get in the way and force you to actually address them instead of ignoring them. In theory.
Amg I couldn't figure out how to collapse. I'm so happy rn. I've been containerising everything. It's so soothing.
So after I save and close a group... where do I find it?
It's in the tab overview menu https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/tab-overview-menu
Thanks!
Ever since i switched to zen browser i hace not thought of coming back for a second.
Yea Zen is amazing, especially the neat Workspaces feature.
I'm still going back to Firefox because of tab groups.
I tried it -> couldn't figure out how to get rid off vertical tabs -> uninstalled -> installed Librewolf
The lack of groups was the deal breaker for me, so after it rolled out to beta, I finally switched back to Firefox as my primary browser.
Last I tried, I don't think you could reorder or drag/drop groups and selecting multiple tabs doesn't result in "group tabs" in the context menu, but it is still decent enough.
So now when I open my mom's computer, she see 20 tab groups, I'll know it's even worse than it looks...
Tab groups have always been there. They're called windows.
Yeah, no. I'm not trying to keep track of 15 windows when I can make named groups to actually organize the various things I always end up coming back to
Not when window history in only 3 windows long. That deletes 90% of my tabs instantly.
Managing that would be a nightmare too. Good luck alt-tabbing to the one you want.
Good luck alt-tabbing to the one you want.
This is what workspaces are for.
Ah, so now I have 7 workspaces that don't survive reboots! Wonderful.
Bookmarks would be easier at this point.
Bookmarks were easier from the beginning.
Not on mobile
I'm sure that when they rolled out tabs in browsers, there were people saying "I just have multiple windows open and Alt-Tab between them. This 'tabs' thing is for people who don't know how to Alt-Tab."
Eww
The way they did it though.. the tab group name cant be collapsed so it takes a lot of room. I find I'm still using task oriented groups from the Simple Tab Groups extension, and then using the new core groups feature as a way to group subtopics for that task.
And before you say "you must have a million tabs".. I used to have millions of tabs, but now i average less than 100 when I have a lot of tasks I need to balance, and I know what all of them are open for. So when I complete a task I delete the Simple Tab Group and say bye to all those tabs.
Maybe add some decent vertical tabs too?
I've started using vertical tabs in Firefox as soon as I got the notification. I never thought I would have liked them so much.
Why are you asking for decent vertical tabs? Are they inferior to some other browser you have in mind?
I've been using the tree-style-tabs plugin for the last 4 years, because I like vertical tabs, and nesting it provides.
But now that Firefox actually finally has proper vertical tabs, and tab groups, I can move away from tree-style-tabs (I don't use any of its other features).
I like Arc's user experience with vertical tabs. They are bigger, easier to organize and they are cleaner. Also, the sidebar toggle is hard to work with, ideally I would prefer the ability to toggle with a shortcut or reveal on hover.
Aside Arc, Zen browser has a good vertical tab experience.
Overall, I still main firefox for my personal browser, though it's UX is still lacking.
There is a keyboard shortcut. It's CTRL+ALT+Z for me. Unless you mean something else?
As for the "reveal on hover", iirc there was a dismissable message that said it is coming soon.
If I can share my opinion, they are more than big enough if you toggle the checkbox "optimize for touch screen". I would have to try Arc or Zen again to understand what you mean.
The only complaint I have is that I need to hover (or expand) to see the title. It becomes annoying when I'm reading documentation and I end up with multiple tabs with the same icon.
EDIT: I can't seem to find the "optimize for touch screen" checkbox anymore, but I'm sure there is something like that somewhere because I enabled it on one of my devices which has a touch screen.
EDIT 2: the "optimize for touch screen" option can be seen by right clicking the toolbar and choosing "Customize toolbar". Changing the density to "Touch" (on the bottom) makes these icons bigger.
I wanted to like them but I dont know, I think they are more natural at the top still.
I’m going to stick it out for maybe a couple months (past this first ~month period) just to see if maybe they are superior somehow
What's wrong about it? I really like it.
Vertical tabs are working great in FireDragon.
Wait, how do you turn them on?
Go to Settings > Design, and then under Tab Bar Style select "Vertical Tab Bar (experimental)". I recommend checking the "Collapse Vertical Tab Bar" checkbox, too. That way, the tab bar collapses into icons when your cursor isn't over it, taking up less window space.
Wow, this is brilliant! Now all I need is proper mouse gestures support and I can migrate full-time!
I have tried Zen and I like it, I will give ForeDragon a spin, thanks 🙏
Now do it on mobile and I'll happily switch
This is super neat, but I swapped to Floorp awhile back because I like the workspaces feature.
Super happy for folks who wanted this built-in tho.
I really liked Floorp, but it kept breaking on work sites, so I had to switch back to FF. Super glad they are bringing this back.
Mh, I'll check out how it works but if I don't like it I can always stick with
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/simple-tab-groups/
(And obviously 👎 for the inclusion of useless AI bs, would be nice if you can turn that off?)
The AI is local, privacy respecting and optional to use, but I agree a config option to hide the button would be nice
Edit: Apparently you can disable the feature
You can disable it in about:config
What's the name of the option?
I've been out and about all day, and can't check my desktop. But when I looked earlier this week, I found it by searching for "group". AI tab group something or other.
I'm not sure which button you're talking about, but if it's the one in the sidebar, click "Customise sidebar", and then uncheck "AI chatbot".
Good news! Weirdly enough, I can't use tab groups (not able to drag tabs on top of each other, there is no option in right-click dialogue), though I am on FF 138.
This was the only thing keeping me on chrome at work. Tab groups are so nice for keeping resources related to specific projects together, especially if you’re juggling several features/fixes at the same time.
I love it, it was basically the only thing I missed when I switched from Chrome to Firefox. I've reorganized all of my tabs and everything is so much cleaner than it was a few days ago.
Now we just need jxl, webgpu, and better themes!
What's the difference to the tab group extension?
It actually works, without a bunch of insane weird behavior.
It can work in the normal tab bar at the top
why "thank christ"? Was Christ advocating for tab groups?
"Let he who is without tab, cast the last grouping"
Only 87? Those are rookie numbers
That's why I always carry holy water in a spray bottle, I just spritz anyone who sneezes around me
Many races believe that the creation of the Universe involved some sort of God, though the Jatravartid people of Viltvodle VI believe that the entire Universe was in fact sneezed out of the nose of a being known as the Great Green Arkleseizure. The Jatravartids live in perpetual fear of the time they call "the Coming of the Great White Handkerchief," somewhat similar to the Apocalypse. However, the Great Green Arkleseizure theory is not widely accepted outside Viltvodle VI and so, the Universe being as wide and strange as it is, other explanations are constantly being sought by different races throughout the Galaxy.
may The Flying Spaghetti Monster bless your fingers
Oh my Satan
Might switch back, use vivaldi for workspaces, I switched because it synced across devices but I never use that feature I just end up retyping everything if I need to open something.
... again
Nice :)
Anyone know if it will be integrated into Fennec as well? Or, like, soon?
A second browser window is the real solution. Or simply accept the chaos.
As if I wasn't already doing that lol I have 64 gigs of ram and I will use 64 gigs of ram!
I haven't even gotten close... Maybe if I spin up several VMs that each have 8+GB allocated. But why would I do that.
No chaos. Only Sidebery.
They added sidebar tabs with this stuff too, doesn’t do a full tree structure and it needs some other work though.
That's nice to see actually. Though Sidebery is much more than sidebar or vertical tabs. It has everything.
Oh man, thats even more chaos having a new window for a group of tabs.
(Source: thats my daily experience)
Folders as a to do mechanism sounds interesting.
I'm wondering if a date-based system could work.
Why this would be a reason? Librewolf will have tab groups too. They don't change the main structure, they just harden Firefox.
Oh, you mean you were waiting for tab groups. Sorry, without enough context I thought you were telling one of those bullshit reasons people use against Firefox. Well then, see you with Librewolf soon.
After everybody else yeah... woopie fkn doo. I say this as a LibreWolf user and using Firefox on alt PC.
I’ve never understood this. You guys know you can have multiple Firefox windows, right? What’s the point of tab groups when you can just group related tabs in a different window? Between multiple workspaces, multiple monitors, and multiple browser windows, I never feel the need to have more than 5-10 tabs open on any one of them at a time. More than that and I’m clearly doing something wrong and need to clean up anyway.
Oh, here's the ol' "I have no use for this feature, and I can't see why anyone else would have one, either", so I get to check that off my bingo card.
He’s just asking as in, maybe someone can share their perspective on why there may be an advantage to tab groups over windows. And to that end… isn’t there a certain amount of system resources that are increased more with a whole new window as opposed to just more tabs in groups? I would think it would consume more resources, albeit perhaps not to any severe degree. —?
And to the actual question I think visually tab groups are easier to navigate than swapping back through windows. Task managers don’t really tend to present windows in a fashion where you could refer to them in context of one-another. Maybe some custom views that you can install in Linux but even then, ones I’ve tried still don’t quite give you a quick easy overview that shows enough detail. You pretty much see what program you’re swapping to, but not laid out in ways you can compare and choose on the fly the way you want when it’s the same application but different content. That’s my experience, anyhow.
Switching between windows is far less fluid than switching between tabs.
You underestimate the tab hoarders.
I'm also like you where I barely have more than a few tabs open. But I regularly witness people I know fill the tab bar until you can't read the first 3 letters of the title anymore.
Different strokes for different folks. I replied to the guy who replied to you and raised a couple of ideas that I think may distinguish the options to answer your question.
tabing through multiple windows of the same program is annoying, having one window with groups is way easier. plus 1-2 monitors is the norm, so sometimes its just a screen space issue.
tabing through multiple windows of the same program is annoying,
How is it any less annoying than tabbing through multiple browser tabs in the same window?
Well it's all in the same window and generally easier at least to me.
ive seen this in opera, and instantly ran into the options to disable it. i donno how many tab you guys have in the browser, but may god forgive you all for using the browser wrong.
Maybe you only have 300 or less but I typically have several windows open.
I'm not usually one to really care about how others use their tools, but I agree with this completely. Tab hoarding is pathological.
I get stressed out if I have enough tabs open in one session so that none of them can display any text... But I will still exit them all every time I exit the browser. What am I a maniac?
The prototype scans open tabs locally, suggests topical names, and auto-bundles related pages. Because all processing happens on the user’s computer, the company says, neither raw content nor behavioral signals are uploaded to the cloud.
"AI" is just a buzzword, this isn't chatbot nonsense as far as I can tell.