Without us realising, Nero burned Rom š„
WOAH is this why it was called Nero??
Yes. Their logo is a burning colosseum
:O I always thought it was a funky looking cd lol
From what I recall, yeah :)
Today was the day I finally understood the name of that software.
Well now I'm gonna burn one of my RW disks just to make this wrong.
Where's your rewritable God now?
What if I know it's my last time as well? Checkmate
What if you get dementia and forget about that time in particular?
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Burn "Summer Jamz '98" mix CD.
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Pick up revolver.
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It was a Linux ISO
It was a Tails ISO š
I remember having a big stack of discs with tons of random ISOs burned onto them. I donāt actually know where that stack went to be honest
Because after switching to Linux your CD drive stopped working due to a lack of drivers?
I know you are trying to be funny, but cd drives have been working fine since literally forever under Linux.
Yeah I was just making the classic liNUx nO WoRK joke
A few months ago I started moving most of my audio media over to CDs. I donāt trust streaming services to maintain extensive libraries and/or continue to exist.
Weāre already seeing video streaming services remove content from their platforms despite having the rights to it.
I doubt that Spotify or Apple Music wonāt do the same in the near future.
Because my parents had a CD burner and a tower of blank CD-RWs they let me take from their place. Also, doesnāt need an internet connection for me to accesses them when Iām not at home.
I'd say local storage but phone manufacturers took out the fucking SD card slot.
Aināt it weird how they keep taking out an important feature right before promoting a new service or product that makes it easier to live without it.
āWhy would you need headphone jack when Bluetooth auto connecting earphonesā
āWhy would you need swappable/expandable storage when media streaming and cloud storage?ā
Consider that CDs can be fairly ephemeral, and I think it's a lot worse with home-burned CDs. When you grab something out of your home-burned CD collection in 10 years, there's a pretty good chance that it won't work or be super glitchy. Harddrives are way better for longterm storage, since you can easily copy the entire collection before the drive fails (and I think the classic magnetic spinny drives, as opposed to SSDs, also have at least better longevity than CD-RWs if you store them unpowered).
It depends on the type of CD. Normal CDs rely on the shape and reflectivity of the aluminum layer, and if this oxadizes they degrade, the oxidation process is drastically slowed by good storage, and they can last much longer if stored in an inert gas.
CD-Rs are dye based with the dye being burnt away for recording. Depending on the type of dye, the dye can break down fairly quickly irrelevant of storage conditions, the cheap dyes degrade inevitably with in 10 years.
CD-RWs (what Iām using) operate on an alloy that is melted to switch it between an amorphous and poly crystalline state to effect reflectivity, and that is fairly stable long term as it is not a chemical change and the alloy is resistant to oxidation, these can be expected to last 20 years under poor storage (exposed to UV and humidity which can damage the plastic) and up to 200 years if stored properly.
Frankly, I doubt my personal music collection needs to last more than 70 years.
Resilience to ransomware attacks and electrical faults.
Also we're not Elon Musk, who thinks physical media is old technology needs replacement.
Spotify has already removed Toxicity by System of a Down. It's back again. :s
Seeing as I have lots of computers that won't boot from usb, no
We're becoming a rare breed.
Old ones I presume? I have a habit of hoarding old computers too. What do you have?
Rough list of the interesting ones:
- IBM RS/6000 Model 250
- Compaq AlphaServer DS10
- 3x Apple iBook G3
- 2x IBM ThinkPad A31
- Panasonic ToughBook CF-28
- And then like a billion more less memorable ones
Nice. I've got my old desktop from 2009 I just threw EndeviorOS on last night
A CD, right?
Right?!
What is it called when you rip a disc under the covers? Is it still called a dutch oven?
Same, right in public. I blame the Mexican food.
*will
And have few days ago. I like spinny media.
Oh, I also have a half destroyed portable CD player (previous battery leak, damaged screen, broken stop button) that can even play mixed mode CD with MP3 files. That means I can combine lossy and lossless on the same disc. It can even shuffle between the 2 parts, albeit with a slight delay.
It doesn't have to be the last time.
And when was the last time you dubbed a compact cassette? (For me it was 2 hours ago)
Why do you use cassettes?
They feel nice in the hand and sound good. Also it's fun mixing them, designing jcards and labels.
Black metal or folk punk?
Yes.
Whenever I get my cassette player to work again. I have to replace a gear, and I do have the replacement gear, but it's turning out to be harder than expected. Luckily the manufacturer put a diagram of all bits and bobs with numbers and how they fit together in the device manual. It's like a very complicated puzzle
I think it's pretty cool that they have user and service manuals. So you can actually fix it by yourself when you have the parts and tools to do so.
Yeah exactly. But those must've been hard times for the shareholders. How can those poor hardworking shareholders ever earn money if you don't buy new e-waste every 2 years?
3D printing is also awesome. For this respective model there were already 3D models available for the gear that broke in mine. I don't have a printer, but I was still easily able to order a 3D printed replacement gear
To quote Mr. Bringus Studios: "Optical media bad."
I did back up all my discs though, physical media backups are awesome.
Unless I die in the next month, I plan on burning more CDs. Added a bunch of new albums to my MP3 player a few months ago
I think youāre using burn when you mean rip.
Why are you still burning CDs?
Because of the fidelity, thatās not a thing with burnt discs..
Yes because your BURNT cd hasnāt had a few steps to degrade the qualityā¦ a bought cd would be better than a BURNT cd.
A BURNT cd isnāt lossless so thatās just plain false mateā¦.
Bloviate about whatever, but dude asked about burning a cd, you made a comment about vinyl which can be lossless, while a BURNT cd never will. A bought cd yes, as I did already clarify.
Making up āStandardsā? Itās a principle of burning discs, itās not lossless like you are falsely claiming it is.
Vinyl has more fidelity than a BURNT disc, even if you got a hold of the master recording and burnt it your self. It will not be a lossless transfer. Unlike bought cds and vinyl.
*new vinyl.
Since playing vinyls isn't lossless.
Neither is playing a disc. A vinyl has more fidelity than a burnt disc with crappy lossy files. I thought a topic about burning people would understand the basics of file transfers loss, downloading loss, and burning losses. But clearly some people just want to insult people, I thought buddy was asking g a legit question, turned out they wanted to insult someone while not even understanding the basics of the topic at hand.
Does the laser damage the CD?
Wouldn't that statement depends on various factors?
Was the master digital?
Was the CD ripped at 44,1 kHz and 16-bit resolution?
Was the CD burnt according to the same parameters?
If all of those are true, then one could say that the burnt CD is lossless.
A CD, burned or pressed, will be a replication of the source as presented in a digital format. If you have to covert true analog sound to digital then the sampling rate will have some technical loss, though not perceivable to most humans.
A digital to digital copy will be a 1 to 1 replication of the data, there's no expectation of loss other than perhaps physical error of the drive, which even pressed disks can suffer from if the stamper is worn.
Edit Source: literally worked in a optical media replication plant back when DVD was still a fairly new thing. It starts off making a glass master disk in a clean room. From that, a positive metal stamper plate is created for production runs, tested periodically to verify the output still matches the master dataset. Once the metal stamper is worn to the point of causing errors it is replaced.
Burned disks are functionally identical to pressed disks in operation but work by darkening bits in the media layer. They degrade easier because of the photo sensitivity needed to let the laser change their state.
a digital to digital copy will be a 1 to 1 replication of the data, there's no expectation of loss
You are mostly right, except this line. And I think I understand your meaning but I think it's a little misleading.
A digital to digital copy can be a 1:1 replication. But just saying "digital to digital" doesn't mean the copy process is lossless, there are a ton of lossy transfer methods. I don't believe they are used when burning CDs (honestly not sure, but I googled it real quick) but just because it's digital doesn't mean it can't have losses
Assuming there's no conversion I might have added in. Yes if you change from wav to mp3 or similar there will be changes. A disk image copy, or even placing a digital file onto a disk doesn't alter the content regardless of burned or pressed, only the method of storage. A hash of the file should return the same regardless assuming no errors in the writing.
Every file transfer creates some noise and loss to the file. Unless youāre using high quality Flac files, which not everyone burning and downloading files are doing so, or itās already been converted or transferred and incurred corruption.
If you transfer an mp3 1000 times, itās gonna degrade. You canāt use hashes to fill in missing audio portions like you can with text or something.
Every time you transfer a file, there is loss, this isnāt unique to audio files. Your entire comment is wrong. Even downloading a file online wonāt create a perfect copy of the audio file because of data loss, even with hashes.
That's not the case. We can copy a music CD in a lossless way, losing no information.
Burning low bitrate mp3s will obviously be worse.
And the music they ripped is what qualityā¦? When you start off without the master files, youāre already at a loss compared to the originals.
Ripping a bought cd even withālosslessā methods, wonāt beat the original printing. Thatās just pure fantasy.
Does it matter for on transfer? Unlikely, but how about what someone did before you downloaded the torrent as well?
The fidelity of vinyl, is more than a burnt disc. I didnāt think that was an arguable fact.
We can definitely argue this. A .wav (or a .flac) rip of a track is literally a bit for bit copy, indistinguishable. Look up lossless vs. lossy encoding.
As for vinyl, that's more up to taste. The mastering process can be different for a vinyl pressing as you need to worry about the tracking of the needle. That may be what you like.
Youāve ripped an already degrading file from a cd, itās already lower quality. Youāre arguing that a lossy transfer somehow isnāt lossyā¦? Thatās your argument?
You need to HAVE the original file, or itās already not lossless. So when burning cds, thereās already an inherent degrading compared to the original master.
How are you getting this already perfect file? This seems to be the part people are ignoring. Sure if you have the master, and burned it yourself, it could be the same fidelity as a vinyl. But this situation is never happening unless you have a contact in the recording industry.
In almost every case, unless you ignore reality, a burnt CD will never the same fidelityā¦. Since you arenāt dealing with the original file in every case.
Ignore the burning part for a moment, you're telling me a .wav file is lower quality than listening on the CD?
It's a lossless file type.
Edit: if I'm wrong can you explain how?
Not the one you are arguing with, but at which sampling rate and resolution did you rip your CD(44,1 kHz and 16 bit)? Just because it's a WAV files doesn't mean it's a one to one copy.
Okay fair point, but if you rip at 44.1 kHz and 16 bit audio is it not the same file?
Edit: and either way, wouldn't it still be lossless.
There's a technical loss going from an analog to digital format just because of the fact that it's a sampling of the sound wave. Similar to why Pi has no end and you could never calculate the exact measure of a circle, it can get as close as necessary for human consumption, but will never be the pure wave form. Thing is that even an analog format like vinyl isn't a guaranteed perfect recreation just because of micro changes created any number of things that could cause a cutting head to be just a fraction out of line with the original.
What's absurd about the whole argument is this notion that if you take a bit perfect copy of something and duplicate it that somehow inherently something is lost. Somewhat interesting way to consider it, we as living beings do that whole code duplication thing countless times a day just by cellular division as part of living, and for the most part it works without a hitch even without the error correcting code that computer systems have. With digital replication at least it's simple enough to say that sequence A equals sequence B, therefore they are identical.
My LightScribe drive was the best investment of 2011
Oh man I forgot about LightScribe! I remember being like 10 and working my butt off for a summer to be able to afford one. Good times
Pretty sure I still have some media for mine here even. Software might be a hunt to find where it got stored at though.
i have never burned a single CD or DVD in my entire life
ps: i'm 19
Optical media was already effectively dead by the time you were old enough to use a computer.
ngl i feel safer digging through CDs while driving than digging through a music library on some phone touchscreen. probably if i learned to use voice controls i'd feel better about the phone but i'm at that age where i'm comfortable enough with my ways that i'd rather not have to change them.
Voice controls are worse and more frustrating still.
I still burn CDs for my dad all the time, (I also have a few of them for myself too) since our cars have CD players in them, and while I usually play Music through the Aux it's good to have CDs for when there's spotty connection and nothing good on the Radio.
Also still use CDs for my car! CDs just feel like the right solution to local music, sometimes I just want to keep my phone in my pocket (or not on me at all) and drive. USB drives feel too easy to lose
I keep my old SATA DVD-RW but I haven't had it installed in anything for years. I finally recycled my USB floppy drive. I'd kept it to potentially help people with data recovery but decided that floppy data anyone might have lying around had already degraded.
I'll continue to burn Sega Saturn games to CDs for some years still. Especially considering how much it costs to get some of them now.
laughs in gen z
(I've ripped cds, but never burned one)
I'm also gen z, and the last CD I burned was last year a debian install CD for a computer that couldn't boot off of USB
I actually do know when my last disc was burned (it was a DVD though--)
One of my video prod professors demanded we turn in our group assignments in DVD format
........... This was in 2018
I was the only person in the entire class that even had a DVD burner. Everyone pooled together to buy a spindle and a Disc Marker and I spent all afternoon burning everyone's DVDs
I still do burn CDs but it is much less common. Mostly just for retro computers which use CD-ROM. I burn DVDs slightly more often since you can fit larger ISOs on them and they're more durable (seriously, CDs are so fragile it isn't even funny, their data layer is completely unprotected, just a thin film on the top).
I still be burning arghhhh I even got CRT
I wish. I have to burn some media every few months for work. Sometimes CDs, sometimes dual layer DVDs.
Previous company I worked for is still using floppy disks.
CD'S NUTZ!
Profound, though.
Mine was around 2016 and IIRC I said something like "Never thought I'd be burning a CD in 2016!" because some Autodesk software required it and we had to fish a CD-RW drive out of storage in the client's closet.
I still have my old DVD burner, which I only plan to upgrade to a BD drive once I get the money for it.
Getting rid of physical media because cloud drives, steam, netflix, etc. is like amputating your legs because cars and motorized wheelchairs.
Thanks to ***** gestures broadly at everything**** * I stick a few on the bonfire in the winter months to keep warm.
It was today.
I see putting stuff on a flash drive as pretty similar
Never lol.
There's like a 95% one of the last CDs I burned was a The Prodigy album. I was super into them the last time I had a computer with a burner installed and I can't think of anything else I would have burned during that time. It's possible it was a cracked version of office or something.
Okay boomer