PSA: the largest piracy community is blocked from lemmy.world
2y 10mon ago by sh.itjust.works/u/Madbrad200 in piracy from lemmy.dbzer0.com
The largest piracy community is hosted over at piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
lemmy.world has blocked it. It appears to have also blocked piracy@lemmy.ml.
If this is a problem for you, I'd suggest migrating accounts using LASIM to an instance that doesn't block it
edit:
An official announcement has been made:
I'm really not a fan of the lw admins just blocking communities. It's not the first time either. It's even worse than defederating, because there's no record of it.
I signed up to lw on its almost first day, but with some of these policies, and constant downtimes, looks like I'll be moving. It's a bummer I've created all the communities here before lw became so big.
Just FYI but you can mod users on other instances to your communities on lemmy.world.
Yes I know, I just wish they were more diversified. When I was starting, I wasn't expecting Lemmy to take off like this, so I didn't care much at the time. Now it sucks especially due to the server downtimes.
Lemmy is still young. If you move your community now, pin an announcement on top with a link to the new one, and lock the old one, you'll probably have almost everyone following you. I did it for one of my communities, the subscribers number of the new one is almost identical to the old one.
It might be better to do it now than in a few weeks/months when your communities are much larger.
I wasn't even thinking about that, but maybe it's not a bad idea to consider.
This is bogus. I'll be creating an account elsewhere, and letting this one go stale. Lemmy.world is down constantly anyway.
That's super lame and disappointing. Democracy my ass, the users didn't vote for this.
Bit of a newbie question here: is lemmy a democracy or just a federation?
Or to put it another way, do I vote with my upvotes or only with my choice in which members of the fediverse I connect with?
Depends on who runs the instance. On mine we actually vote on this kind of thing.
I don't think there's anything set in stone, really. Or if it is it was Tl;Dr for me.
But in the past we used to vote (with upvotes/downvotes and or opinions in form of comments) on decisions or at least some instances/communities did/do it like that.
I don't know about any vote having been done on this decision though since I'm pretty sure if there was this decision wouldn't have been made.
Though from the view of the Admin I can definitely understand blocking piracy communities, because if someone uploaded copyright infringing content on any instance, every instance that federates with it would get into major trouble for (1) cloning such content and (2) making it available to more users. Kind of like torrenting without the P2P aspect.
Aren't only some instances being run according to democratic methods? There's not a Lemmy Instance Covenant like there is for Mastodon afaik
Yeah I was just fueling the fire without knowing for sure. My bad.
No worries
Together with their recent removal of a community focused on shrooms, lemmy.world is starting to seem excessively puritanical for my tastes.
same.
I'm not a child. Stop treating me like it.
Do you know where did that community move to?
Awesome, thank you.
It’s a volunteer ran instance and the first rule is no illegal content.
Go find a different instance if you’re so butthurt.
I have. I would have replied from that account, but it hadn't federated this thread before I subscribed. Happy passive aggressiving, though
piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com does not have illegal content
Checked the stickied post and it is full with links to various piracy sites. This is like when trackers use "We are not sharing files, just links" defense.
stop taking law as moral fact
Well, lemmy.world has shown their hand. They don't seem to have any consistent defederaion or content policy other than "whatever they feel like."
Abandoning my lw account and switching to lemm.ee now.
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In the real world there's these people called "Lawyers" who will happily sue relatively small, cash poor platforms like lemmy.world out of existence. What would you like the admins to do? Are you coughing up legal fees for them?
Discussion of illegal topics is legal in most of the world.
Yeah I'm also going to switch I think.
lol abandon Lemmy world for an instance that specifically won’t defederate from openly Nazi instances.
Lemmy.ee is still federated with exploding-heads and the skinheads instance.
I thought we escaped this bullshit here.
We did! Move to a better instance.
It's the ideal solution to corporate walled gardens.
Its social media, there is no escape unless you disconnect.
Super lame lemmy.world, I hope this decision can be reversed.
I get it cuz corpos be sue happy lately but at least it shows the Federation's strength: simply having another account routes around the problem.
If this was reddit it'd be gone for good.
But here it's just a mild inconvenience.
Me on sh.itjust.works still enjoying these posts 🥹
Honestly I feel like transferring to shit.
I tried signing up for shit but it gave me an error and I never got a verification email. Tried again and it said my email exists, so tried logging in but still invalid credentials 🫠
Same thing happened with lemmy.tf this morning!
sh.itjust.works has had this issue for awhile, I'd recommend lemm.ee
If you want an instance that doesn’t have a problem with Nazis, sure.
I don't care. I browse my own subscriptions and ignore c/all. Problem solved.
I'd rather an instance that blocks too little (and therefore, has 0 effect on my browsing experience) than one that blocks too much (and therefore, does affect my browsing experience). I'm more than capable of blocking things myself if I want, I don't need my hands held.
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Same ;)
Munches on popcorn while sitting in kbin
lemmy.world as the largest instance on Lemmy is starting to look out for "problematic" behaviours, I guess
It's free as in beer, not free as in freedom, apparently. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm on lemme.ee mostly because lemmy world forgot my login info.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
lemm.ee *
Maybe I’m misunderstanding this, but there’s nothing stopping anyone from having logins in either place. Using Voyager, for instance, I can have multiple logins on multiple servers with the same app.
It's annoying having to create logins on multiple instances. I always forget passwords and have to remember which servers i have accounts.
For example i had an account on one of the "lemmy. something" instance, but they defederated from shit.justworks so i created an account there. I changed phone and i relogged in from shitjjustworks but forgot what was my other login. And now do i have to create a new one to access the piracy one?
I wish there was one Lenny instance i could create an access and have access to the entirety of lemmy, without having to bother
First off, you should be using a password manager. This is probably a good opportunity to get into the habit.
I wish there was one Lenny instance i could create an access and have access to the entirety of lemmy, without having to bother
Any small instance will probably never be defederated by anybody else unless they're focused on something controversial.
I always forget passwords
Use a password manager! it takes me literally less than 30 seconds to generate a password (and username if you want) make a new account and save the password
I'd rec BitWarden
The workflow is so much better than relying on your own passwords
I wish there was one Lenny instance i could create an access and have access to the entirety of lemmy, without having to bother
That's most of them honestly. lemm.ee doesn't really block anyone for example. The only major instance that blocks sh.itjust.works is beehaw.org, but they block a significant amount of instances.
Lower risk of lawsuits, especially frivolous ones
And that is why the way federation works right now needs a rethink. Users should be able to access content not cached by their home servers, so that the servers can defederate and don't get into hot water for content from federated instances.
I agree, but I wonder what the implications are for resources. I imagine that takes a whole lot more, instead of caching.
Scared of legal actions against them.
I could respect it if they owned that and said "we are covering the admin team's butts." Instead, they say this is to protect users. Laughable.
They said more than just the users lol. Why make shit up?
They said it’s to protect the instance, the admins, and the users specifically because of potential lawsuits and legal issues.
You seriously don't understand what would lead some otherwise ordinary people who happened to start a lemmy instance that happened to become the biggest one from blocking a community the mere existence of which on their servers could lead to them getting sued into bankruptcy by some multinational corporation?
I mean its not their fault for trying to be proactive with this site gaining so much online traction. People are complaining, but they posted the named instances!!!!! They know its bullshit but they were like hey just go here and make a new account! It wouldve been different if they done this quietly.
Guess I’ll be going to a different instance so I can continue my security research. 🤷♂️
Where is safe of this defederation?
Haha power trip feels good it seems. The bane of fediverse existence.
They’re probably preparing for threads integration
And this is the beauty of the fediverse right here: an instance decides it doesn't want some specific content doesn't mean the community dies. It just lives on on another instance.
Once these services can operate on the darknet like I2P (which supports anonymous torrenting btw), then things might really pick up steam.
Yeah you just need to create an account on another instance, hope it doesn't get blocked there too or the instance doesn't block other stuff you want, migrate your stuff...
Meanwhile on reddit: spez sez u blokked --> that's it
But what is the difference here? You can create another acc on reddit too, it's just less annoying than trying to find an instance that works with all your communities.
If Reddit removes the Community, it is gone for good.
Wtf I'm out LW
Wtf. Just give them a warning or something. Even reddit still had a piracy community.
That’s the instance I’m on, what was the reason they blocked it?
It's possibly a reaction to this post but there hasn't been an announcement yet.
Based on community reaction I don't feel like its been banned just yet. More like bungiefan made a fool of himself, mods banned him, and locked the thread.
Edit: just searched, not showing up. Would like at least some clarification from admins/staff on what the reasoning was.
Edit 2: Left this reply in Lemmy.world's discord server:
I feel it needs to be addressed. It looks bad on world to take this action without publicly stating a reason, especially considering the clear answers it gave for more malicious communities
It's no longer accessible via lemmy.world, whether that post is the cause or not it's definitely been blocked from lemmy.world.
Ahh I see, well unfortunate. But what happened, happened.
So, I don’t know much about the federating thing. Will I still be able to see posts from them (ones I’m subscribed to etc) or that’s gone now too?
It appears they've removed the community but not blocked the lemmy.dbzer0.com instance entirely.
What this means for you as a lemmy.world user: you won't be able to view content posted to piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com anymore. That's it.
If they fully defederated from the whole of lemmy.dbzer0.com, it would mean you'd see no content from any community/users based on lemmy.dbzer0.com.
I’m an user from the DB0 Piracy community (it’s the instance I’m on).
But I assume it’s the same way. Thanks!
Oh right my bad. Yes, from your perspective this isn't an issue yet. You can still browse it just fine (unlike lemmy.world users). Although it will likely lead to less users discovering the piracy community, = less activity there.
Yeah I've heard they've defederated unethically functioning instances but why that one
Yeah I was more wondering about what policy they have in this case. Ethics was just one point that came to mind based on the post content.
Being ahead of takedowns is a good guess. However the way instances work, it could be said that just federating wouldn't be an issue, as the responsibility can be forwarded to the "host" instance
Yeah, me neither. But I do appreciate the service of those who try
It seems to be unblocked? I can visit both those communities/instances via lemmy.world.
Yeah, found the announcement https://old.lemmy.world/post/6018317
Can we get a link to this announcement? I tried to look on Avaddon's profile but didn't see it
It was posted in the lemmy.world discord server.
Weird to announce it on discord when they could've, idk, announced it on lemmy.world. Anyway thanks for the answer
Yeah I don't really understand the need for a discord.
Transparency only when it suits the admins!
Thanks for telling me about steam deck pirates chum
steamdeckpirates@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Yeah! Sadly, not available on lemmy.world anymore but can be browsed via other instances.
Lemm.ee seems to be dead but lemy.lol still working
Please kbin don’t be stupid like them…
So far kbin has letting us decide for ourselves what to block..
I'm not haven't seen anything yet saying kbin has defederated from anything.
Kbin does defederate, but doesn't publish the defederations. EH and grad are blocked, at least. They are planning to add a page for it though.
Is there an instance i can use to view "banned" magazines like this? Was just getting settled with Sync on lemmy.world, then suddenly all this stuff disappears. This fediverse shit is so confusing, i just want one central spot to browse my communities.
If this is a concern for you then I'd recommend just switching to an instance that isn't ban-heavy and you can carry on as normal from there, like lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works (note: I've heard this has issues with sending verification issues), lemmy.ca.
Just use any small instance as your home.
Eh, I think i'm just going back to reddit at this point, clearly this federation thing is not working out for the user. Sad since piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com is superior to the one on reddit but I guess I don't need to have an account to browse it.
Just register for another instance and carry on as normal? e.g https://lemm.ee/federation works fine - at least here on Lemmy (unlike Reddit) we have the choice to use instances with preferences that match our own.
I migrated my subscriptions using LASIM. This took me about 5 mins.
You're missing the point of federation, the entire crux that Lemmy was built on. You're not hosting the content, they're not inherently damaging the ecosystem itself, yet the admins have taken unilateral action to remove access to a community.
Sure, but I can stop using lemmy.world and carry on as normal without any issue on another instance. Problem solved.
If reddit bans r/piracy, there's.... nothing I can really do.
It sucks, but this is a benefit that federation brings.
Doesn't this show the whole point of federation? That the owners of the community can pick and choose what they want their community to have access to, but it can't take down anything not on their own instance? LW defederates or blocks a specific community, the people who care migrate to another instance or just access that blocked community directly, everyone moves on.
Everything is still shaking out. Expect changes, don't put down roots until you are happy with where you are. Try out a few places and see what feels the most like you in the long run. Lemmy.world is in a position where they have to avoid drama. They are the biggest community and people are watching them the most closely. When something like this starts up, it can ruffle alot of feathers. People that will be itching to find something wrong with it that they can use to "prove it was bad the whole time".
There are still plenty of options. If you like doing things that might be risky for lemmy.world to be associated with, a smaller server is likely a better bet for you. They can hide and wait to see what happens to larger more obvious servers first before deciding what level of risk is right for them.
And the tools to completely and easily swap to a new server are still being written. By the time a small server has reason to decide to take less risks, those tools will be ready to assist at the push of a button.
No, that is the whole point of federation. The admins of an instance have full power over their own instance, but nothing else. That was the entire design of the fediverse. Anyone can spin up their own instance and curate it to their hearts content without affecting anything outside of their instance.
No shit the admins of an instance have the ability to unilaterally remove access to a community. It’s their damn instance. That’s the point of everything. Join an instance that shares your values, or make your own little instance with only you as a user and federate with whatever you want to federate with.
That’s the design of the fediverse.
Have a good one, maybe you'll come back.