Acknowledged governance topic opened by https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/flatworm7591

This is a simple majority vote. The final tally is as follows:

• For:
• Against: (5), (2), (4), (3), (1), (1)
• Local Community: -0.6
• Outsider sentiment: Positive
• Total: -10.6
• Percentage: 25.00%

This vote has concluded on 2025-07-23 03:17:20 UTC

Reminder that this is a pilot process and results of voting are not set in stone.

I just spent my lunch break checking out the instance and scrolling through the top weeks posts and checking out the comments.

Hard no.

1. Basically all their posts are political, except very pro-china, pro-marxist, anti-ukraine. Theres not a single post i consider a value add if it appeared in my scroll. Even if I gave the users and their viewpoints the benefit of the doubt, this would be like adding /r/china, /r/russia, /r/communism to my subs. I can't think of a single reason i want this.

2. I'm not giving the users the benefit of the doubt. Their comments are indistinguishable from what a ccp or Russian employee would post.

All we would be doing is opening a potential vector for propagandists to attack. They post nothing of interest.

Nah. No thanks.

One of the lines in the sand for me is when people are unironically pro North Korea. I don't want that on my feed.

And to a lesser extent I don't want to see weird tankie bootlicking of China either. And I'm not talking about legit good things China has done when compared to other superpowers, I'm talking weird posts that read like full propaganda state sponsored bs, and if you disagree with them in any way they will dig through your intire account history to try and find something they can use instead of actually having a discussion about the topic you originally disagreed with.

Authoritarians don't want open discussion they will just link you half a shitty book explaining how there's actually no such thing as authoritarianism.

Edit: I'd like to add that searching lemmygrad for Ukraine will show some really awful takes. I want freedom for Ukraine same as Palestine, Tebet, Hong kong, el Salvador, ect just because the main empire in the west is on the fascism side of authoritarianism doesn't mean I will cozy up to other authoritarians.

No thank you. I have zero interest in dealing with genocide apologists, regardless of their purported idealogical leanings.

Big no.

Echoing from what some others have said, I went back 3 days worth of content from them and found ZERO worthwhile posts.

At least hexbear is somewhat funny in their shit posts, and it's easy enough to block or filter users who constantly post in their begging for money community.

Meanwhileongrad exists for a reason. I'm content enough to see the smoke from the self immolation that happens from afar.

while hexbear, .ml, and similar communities do engage in genuine praxis in the form of mutual aid and other such assistance forums, their rhetoric and dogma is enough to absolutely destroy any amicable sentiment that might build up imo.

everyone in the comments talking about leftist unity and historical awareness is an idiot and a hypocrite. historically whenever anarchism collaborate with the red fash, we get crushed on all sides. there isn’t an instance that has gone differently. we can be that instance.

the lack of genuine rhetoric, absolute widespread acceptance of bad faith argumentative tactics, and general behavior of .ml and hexbear’s communities are both so egregious as to warrant not federating with either community, honestly. i agree with the sentiment found elsewhere in these comments that i have nothing to be gained watching western incels post about how much they love north korea and daddy putin in my feed.

i can’t and won’t be friendly with people who espouse those views and honestly, if db0 were to start federating more of these communities it would denigrate the space enough to make me want to leave. part of what i like about here is that there is no weird snakey people trying to convince people of crazy fucking conspiracy theories. just anarchist nerds doing tech shit. if we invite these people in, we’ll lose ourselves. i don’t think i’d want to use a forum that will leave me associated, no matter how loosely, with literal fascists. it’s a big part of what drives me away from mainstream social media to here and if need be it will drive me away from here, too.

No.

I usually don't engage with gov-stuff because this instance is running smoothly and the users (& crew) here steer it very well.

But on this I have to vote. Because historically if a left movement came into power, the dogmatic Marxists have always sought to persecute the other, especially more progressive (eg. antiauthoritarian), leftists - even if they cooperated with them before and/or helped the movement to succeed. There is a fascist wave and it is getting worse - but (left) authoritarians are not allies, they're enemies (sooner or later).

I tried to make Hexbear work for a while. I ended up blocking them because they kept wasting my time, having to check any source, and statement I ever saw from them, with basically all then falling apart.
I thought maybe blocking some offending hexbear communities would be enough, but then kept seeing the same pattern on anything hexbear associated. In the end I burned out on it.

I suspect that most others will equally come to the conclusion of instance blocking, which I think makes the pivotal problem here. Can we allow federation with an instance that the vast majority of our userbase has blocked?

On an individual level I agree, that you can "just block lemmygrad/hexbear/ml/world/startrek" if you don't like them for any reason. But that basically leaves interaction with that instance to all the others. It's fine if a few do it, but if most do it, it resigns the platform to uncontested bullshitting from lemmygrads side.

At first that might then load the mods. They can't really block lemmygrad if they have to moderate their communities from them. But then what about the lies, misleading statements, that got me burned out. The stuff not obviously problematic, and not a rule violation either. If noone bothers checking and contesting that, or those few that do argue then get overwhelmed by lemmygrad votes and downvoted into oblivion on those enclave threads, then the uncensored state of your instance posts will be hell and we will simply be closing our eyes to it with the blocking.

At that point, other instances will come to know us as the ones with lemmygrad brigading in our posts, and the easy solution there is not to figure out how to get rid of the lemmygrad stuff bleeding thru their own defederation, but to simply instance block us.

In summary, I don't think personal instance blocking helps with the nazibar problem. We can only federate if enough people will not block lemmygrad.

No. Does not sound appealing. Refed with them so a huge chunk of us get fed up and have to manually block, knowing they're still nominally connected to the instance? I really don't want to be surrounded by that stuff nor by people being influenced by it.

Edit: Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I dislike it. If you hop over there and read many of their posts, they don't just lean hard left/right, they are in a genuinely alternate reality. Like, you could move some of their posts to an alt-history roleplay and they'd make more sense. I'm down to hear different views, but I want them stemming from this reality. Harder no than before.

Hexbear is insufferable a lot of the time, no thanks.

A hell no, how can I make sure my vote is tallied? I usually don't vote but in this case I'm heavily against. I'm not against opposing sides, but only if the opposing side of open to other opinions as well, lemmygrad is not really open with extreme views.

Better to stay defederated IMO.

They are ban heavy for daft reasons so ruins the experience for new users. It’d be different if they had daft ideas but engaged with debate; but they don’t - and it’s just feeding more people into an echo chamber that has some people just as far gone as MAGA.

Recent years have taught me the dangers of that and how little most people are able to critically think about things. Less of an issue on this instance I imagine, but even anti-authoritarian spaces are being increasingly captured by authoritarian interests.

Id support the top 5 worst offenders from the power tripping mods community to be defederated by default across as many instances as we can convince. Punish censorship.

No. One vehemently disagrees. The instance was built around far-left authoritarianism, while praising "communist" leaders as gods. Those who do not see the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat it.

One may have their personal gripes with Hexbear, but at least one doesn't think their world wraps around being purely Western contrarians.

No. I don't see any benefit in giving a bunch of fash more chances to worm into people's brains.

Absent any compelling reason or evidence of this proposal arising organically from the community rather than springing to life fully-formed from the forehead of an admin, no. Unless something is broken, it need not be repaired.

They default to light mode even with my theming set to dark, and that appals me more than their politics ever could. The medium is the message, and the medium makes me physically recoil in pain.

They're more earnest than hexbear, so ill be more likely to find personal confict, but who cares.

Otherwise dont object to a trial; fucking can't with the shitlibs. Any counterweight.

No, don't need to see more tankie shite.

Ahhh, how about no, please.

Absolutely not.

All I will ask is that you go have a look at lemmygrad.ml before you vote, and ask yourself if there is anything posted there you think warrants keeping them defederated?

This is the wrong question. The correct question is, "has something materially changed at lemmygrad.ml since we defederated from them, and has it changed sufficiently to warrant refederation?"

My issue with grad was never their local content. Yes they have shitty propagandized tankie takes and deepthroat Mao and the North Korean state all the time, but I always filtered and blocked those sorts of communities, which is any user's perogative. Hell, since we can blanket instance block on a user level these days, it's even easier.

The issue was always their users picking fights outside of their instance and actively spreading dangerous misinformation in every community they can get their fingers in; then their admins doing nothing, if not actively encouraging, this sort of bad faith engagement. Grad, hex and ml would all to varying degrees end up on many news comms and try to flood them with a certain viewpoints. And if you get into their space with an opposing view point (e.g urgyhur genocide) you will be banned more often than not.

Look back in history and see why we defedded. Db0 made the call early on because he also realized they do not make any arguements in good faith and are, for any purposes, just fascists with a different kind of red flag that were directly antithetical to this lemmy's principles. They were not worth the added moderation load to manage their users when they would get into our local comms then. And I doubt they're worth it now.

I opened their site, and right off the bat I see at least three usernames I recognize as bad faith actors that I previously blocked, I can only assume their administrative structure has not changed a bit. Refederating will be a net negative for db0.

Off topic: I forgot how the governance system works, can someone link the post where it was implemented because I'm on mobile and search is really hard here. I don't know how to see my vote tallied. _{___}

No fuck the tankies. Russia is worse than ever and allowing the russian bots and bootlickers back would he a huge mistake.

This is a tough one. I, and I'm sure many others joined db0 because of how open and anarchistingly free it is. My initial reaction is to say yes open it to everyone...but then I read through the responses here.

And then took an hour to browse through lemmygrad posts and user histories.

I have to agree with other comments here that the posters aren't honest in their discussions. Many of their comment histories read as if they have a script to follow. There isn't inner thought or self inflection when arguing, but vitriol and hate. There isn't a variety of thoughts, but single minded brigading. Not to say there aren't already voices like that here, but when the entire instance is composed of that, what benefit does that provide to db0? This whole thing feels grey as grey can be; but if I were forced to vote after what I saw, it would be a nay.

Do not defederate from any instance unless they are actively malicious (eg flooding with illegal content, targeting users with harassment/doxxing, or exploiting something). Though the second one is tricky as what constitutes “harassment” is tricky.

A user has the option to block instances if they feel content on said instance is offensive or disagreeable to them.

Rather than deny autonomy to users, refederate, and allow users to practice their own autonomy. If they’re terrified of the spooky leftists they are free to block the instance

No.

Lemmy already has serious issues of political divisiveness driving off new users. We don't need to further that "to own the libs".

While I don't truly think that's why this is being suggested, we don't seem to have a good reason to refedrate other than "they appear to be behaving lately".

Also, the optics of the timing of this occurring right as Admiral Patrick is closing dubvee over (among many things) the general tone of discussion on Lemmy being abrasive as all hell in large part due to political division spurring disrespect? Not a good look guys.

Absolutely not. Cannot wait to be yelled at by the politically demented radicals that I'm a libtard under a cute puppy post.

I'm exaggerating of course, but not too much.

Nooooooooooooo.

How about waiting until after instance blocking is working nicely rather, rather than rely on the hope that it will be sorted out during that time?

I personally have zero interest in lemmygrad content, and would just block. I haven't had any real issues with hexbears at all, though some I've just tagged to never bother interacting with (FWIW, I've tagged users of other instances this way as well). So as long as they aren't randomly bringing in auth apologia to me, I generally don't care.

That said - I still vote no precisely because instance blocking is not as good as it should be yet. Until then I think its just inviting problems.

I'd vote yes after the tools are in place, not for when I expect them to be ready.

Edit: mobile kb typos.

Not for me, no. IMO, a lot of the users over there are only interested in cosplaying authoritarianism, which I am not personally into.

I vote no.

No. The world is slipping into authoritarianism of various flavors. I'd rather not filter out the shit on my end, but i will if i must.

KEEP OUT THE TANKIES :p

I’m enthusiastic about opportunities for pan-leftist collaboration in the face of outright fascism across western states. I think a trial period is sensible. This may even benefit folks that are against federation with ml because this will generate more evidence to support defederation if they deserve it. I feel like this re-evaluation is warranted given the (i expect) influx of lemm.ee users to dbzer0

No way in hell. The reason I'm here is because we don't federate (and I like anarchism and piracy but that's beside the point), I left .ml the second I could when db0 popped up during the exodus. If we federate with them I'll have to switch again.

No.

Even in here you can find the tankie triad starting shit.

Nay.

I can think of every time a commenter said something obviously false and crazy sounding, and lo and behold, they’re from one of the triad servers. .ml, hexbear, and grad are full of non genuine people/bots.

Hardest of passes.

Please no.

It sometimes is nice to have an overview of what the tankies propaganda is, but really, as an anarchist their discourse is disgusting... and I feel we already have enough of the propaganda with hexbear and co, so this will be a soft no for me.

No.

Nay

I am anti censorship and we need the users to develop critical thinking, because then the problem would eliminate itself. However, as instance owners, you (unfortunately) have the responsibility what content is visible on your instance, even if it is just some copy from somewhere else (the law is not quite compatible with distributed systems). This means, you have to block any extremist views which could endanger any of your instance’s users (even visitors, technically). So even if it is censorship, the survival of this instance is of more value, than to enforce pure anarchy.

I am for blocking lemmygrad. And hexbear. And @dessalines@lemmy.ml.

In others words: don’t ever federate again.

No, I disagree. The near worship of authoritarian leaders is a hard no go for me.

I’m voting no, I’m against it.

I’m of the mindset that if there’s already been a decision to defederate, there should be a very good reason to consider refederating. After looking at the posts over there it seems pretty dead. I don’t think there’s anything of any quality being missed, and I don’t personally see any reason why we should undo the defederation.

God no.

No thanks.

Tally me under "hell no".

Nope

Completely forgot they were an instance so I am fine if they stay gone.

Absolutely not, this is a terrible idea considering that they were defederated for being toxic and aggressive to our overall community, and also many people there are disingenuous in their takes, it's not a discussion community, it's brigading. The only way I could ever support anything like this is if their domain expired and someone used it to make a completely different instance.

That hasn't happened so I can't support this.

No.

I spent some time browsing, and we choose to federate, my block list will need to expand. If others want that…OK, but that’s very much not for me.

I have slowly grown to appreciate having some hexbear users around to help balance out all the turbolibs.

Same. There's a difference between socialism, anarchism, communitarianism, communism, etc., and too many turbo libs chock all of that rich political tapestry up to "tankies".

While I do think there are dictator apologists out there, I don't see the down side to open communication so long as there's healthy debate. As soon as ad hominems are introduced, where people are attacked and not their ideas, I think that's when we draw the line.

I don't really have any experience with lemmygrad though. Hexbear I've started warming up to. As with Lemmy.ml

Edit: I'd say let's try the month period and see what happens. And if this doesn't work, I don't think that should be the last time we try to federate. We should elect to keep an open mind to see if things change. I do think that dbzer0 should allow users to block entire instances though. One of the reasons I came to dbzer0 is because lemmy.world banned too many instances that I was interested in.

So yeah, count me in. Aye

Hard disagree. Honestly, this would even be a compelling reason for me to leave this instance and spin up my own. I wanted to try out running an instance for quite some time now, and this would probably push me further toward that. That wouldn't have an impact on my moderation efforts, e.g. in c/piracy; there would be a smooth transfer.

Opening lines of dialogue can be a good thing. I like that it’s set up with a trial period. If it creates problems, they can be dealt with quickly and permanently closed off shortly after.

We live in an online ecosystem designed to encourage divisiveness and anger. I personally think it’s a good thing to hear viewpoints outside of your comfort zone. People of differing ideologies have way more in common with each other than with the billionaires and their bootlicking armies that try to divide everyone for their own benefit.

Ceterum censeo Epstein didn’t kill himself.

No, I don't like giving a voice to absurd extremists.

Against, fuck tankies. Literal imperialist Russian propaganda mills at this point.

That's a no for me dawg. While I'm not opposed to the idea of giving people a second chance, I think lemmygrad has shown itself incapable of doing anything other than unapologetically licking fascist boot.

Edit: typo

Fuck tankies.

Aye for a trial.

I'm an adult; I think I can block users and communities on a case-by-case basis. If it becomes unbearable, I can still vote no at the end of the trial.

I see NO reason to change that. The instance itself is almost empty (judging by their top-week as guest), it's content usually crossposted from\to ml\hex. My only concern is blocking it's non-powerusers, but I doubt there are many who use this instance exclusively.

If people on lg.ml are comfortable with db0 defed, let it stay, because I feel like not our but their feeds would be filled with db0 posts up to the point they'd defed themselves.

I'm not against trial, but I find it rather pointless. Most of us won't even notice that besides spam reposts with rare if ever interactions.

I was not here for the original drama, but more potential leftist intersectionalism is never bad, esspecially when there is a flare-up of Fascism.

so Aye, let's refederate them.

No.

No, I don't think I will.

I'd be in favour of this. I came over from lemm.ee, I'm pretty sure they were federated with lemmygrad and TBH I hardly ever saw any posts or comments from them. They seem to keep most of their insane views to their own communities (although that may just be because so many other instances have blocked them)

Personally I think defederation is mostly pointless now that users can block instances themselves, and one of the main reason I picked this instance is that not many other instances are defederated. I'd rather defederation was only used when absolutely necessary. To me the whole point of Lemmy is that it shouldn't matter where anyone created their account.

No thanks

I'm broadly against defederation in general without good material cause (such as: instance does a lot of trolling or brigading, instance hosts illegal or deeply immoral content).

I like the hexbears! There's some bad ones of course, but there's people on this instance I don't like or agree with so that's hardly an argument against. I can block the worst tankies of lemmygrad as well, or the whole instance if it really personally bothered me.

In broader terms, I think we see enough of an amount of center-lib arguments that it's essentially the water we swim in. I'm glad that out and out right wing takes are very rare, but I think some more extreme left views could be good. I don't agree with vanguardists at all but I can't act like coalition with them against overt fascists isnt necessary sometimes.

And anyway, federation isnt about political coalition. It's about exchange of ideas and I'm confident enough in the correctness of anarchy to not feel threatened by the ideas of other leftists.

I'm in for a trial. Different viewpoints are good, and worst case scenario, we just defed again.

No.

I'd just block it on individual level then same as hex

I've had nothing but good experiences with hexbear in my lemmy history, I think, but then again I value more the communities than the users, and thus I prefer instances that won't arbitrarily keep me from getting good content from elsewhere. I tend to not track where a user is in the Fediverse - every internet dog is free to create accounts anywhere, anyway.

But... comparatively speaking, lg.ml seems to have little if anything to offer in comparison. The "tinted left" stuff that I care about can be more easily found in l.ml anyway.

I'd say give it a two weeks trial. A full month might be a bit too much, both for the people pro and con.

Giving it a trial run might be okay though I'd lean towards leaving things as-is.

Does kind of feel like the overall community wouldn't be too thrilled. I'm having a hard time understanding why the instance would be entertaining a change now. Like I can't think of any communities I care to participate in over there, just seems like spamming up people's All feed for no discernible benefit.

OTOH you have a point, people can do instance blocking in their user settings so that is an option.

I'm gonna vote no on this one

No, thanks.

Yes. We need to expand the chiral network.

Aye, yes, I think a trial period is reasonable.

If it gets bad we can defed again, but I think we should try to be as federated as possible, especially with other leftist instances

I vote no

I'm for it. We don't block all the lib instances and they're arguably more disgusting for supporting all manner of bullshit going on around the globe.

If I wanted censorship I would have stayed on reddit. Open the gates.

No thanks

I find the average user less grating than the average world or ohshitit'sjustfash users. There's some fucking wankers but hey it's the internet.

Good to get perspectives critical of the imperial core and usually more insightful than the average conservative/lib take. Like I might think that glazing NK is hilarious, but it's not like you don't find hundreds of users glazing farcial "representative" democracies constantly which are only marginally further along in terms of real freedom to act in a way contrary to the nation state.

No thanks

Personally, if this account ends up federated with grad, I’ll abandon it. I’ve been here since the Reddit API migration 2 years ago, when grad was originally defederated, but I’ll drop this shit in half a heartbeat. I have other options. Y’all can do what you like.

No thanks for me though. I also don’t want shit to do with hex or .ml. Those are harder to find instances defederated. But also worth having nothing to do with, I’ve found. For every serious anarchist or communist you might actually want to talk to, it seems you have 4 “for real bro” shitposters ruining it.

I’m actively looking for places I don’t have to interact with that level of toxicity. If dbzer0 isn’t it anymore, I’ll move on.

If I want to see what nonsense they have to say I can create an account on their dumb servers. I don’t want to know what assholes think, though, when they could -just as easily- go somewhere else to interact if they want to be heard.

No thank you

I’m also in for a trial, when it comes worse to worse deferate again. Would be interesting just to see some discourse and how it goes.

Aye for trial.

So I migrated from .ml, to kbin, to slrpnk, to here.

Even if federation is bad for this instance, federation allows outside users visibility on this instance which may more align with their personal ideals, comfort level etc.

So maybe a 1 week yearly Thunderdome of open federation may be beneficial, if just for the possible user conversion. That's if blocked federation cuts off these communities from outside visibility.

Support

(Mobile is hard)

I say yes. A 1 month trial with them seems reasonable. I may disagree with their ideas, but if a reasonable level of civility is kept I think it will be good. I can block the communities and people I disagree with the most for my viewing pleasure and others have the chance to decide what they want to see.

Yes for a trial. I personally have gotten used to just blocking users/communities I don't want to see/interact with anyways.

I'm in favour of this tbh. I wouldn't even put a supermajority on this. Why? Because people can just block entire instances on their end.

IMO it's not up to instances to limit user's feeds and interactions, unless OFC there is significant amounts of malicious intent, behaviour etc. on the other end.

Personally I often don't see eye to eye with them and dislike their revisionism and acceptance of Dengism, but if they're anything like Hexbear, they'll have some genuine leftist tenencies.

EDIT: If we don't get the supermajority, we can always go for a trial period and see how things go from there. I suspect that it'll be similar to hexbear

Also please, anything to balance the shitlibs from .world.

On another note: it's curious how .worlders often having the most reactionary takes, but some PPL here seem to have no issues with that

The comments on their instance are surprisingly long and well articulated. Exposure to different opinions, even as wack and one sided, is a good thing. I don't want db0 to be an echo chamber.

Yes.

sure, see what happens, it's discourse. in the best (and naïve) scenario we can effect change by only banning many individual users who use bad-faith rhetoric

I think a trial is a very reasonable thing to conduct, I support a trial run

I'd be willing to give it a try. They can be frustrating at times, but to me it's not really worse than with liberal instances. I'd understand if the community here doesn't want to put up with them though.

I haven't checked it out in a couple years, but I remember there being several decent communities over there. But their more authoritarian communities are pretty shitty.

I'm relatively new to lemmy, so I don't know all of the history behind the tankie drama. Is the main concern just the usual flame wars? Or do they tend to cause more substantial disruptions?

Boo, no tankies.

TBH though, whatever you want.

A very tacit yes? If it's in the interest of opening up discourse, I think a trial could be good. If this contributes to a healthy discourse, then it's fine by me. If we just invite them to be the auth-left aga-toad to our lib snake problem, hell no.

I never heard of Lemmygrad but after I saw this post I checked them out and I do not think it would be wise to federate with them. They seem terrible. They seem like they're worse than hexbear.

I have not been on an instance that federates with it, so personally, I don’t know what the culture is like. I’m all for building bridges with ideological cousins - modern social media is one giant machine-propelled incubator of fascist sympathy nowadays, so I really do feel strongly about having a meaningful, robust, community-driven coalition of good people with good politics. I personally believe something like BlueSky has been a big black hole vacuuming up potential fediverse users, but you could make the case as well that it puts off our eternal September for more time. Maybe it’s not the worst thing that could happen.

That said, I do hear much worse feedback about grad than I do about .ml or Hexbear. At the same time, I understand that it is one of the main instances tied to the software’s development, and that alone makes it relevant to a big instance with a tech slant like ours, IMO.

I have to abstain. I think I’d like to vote Yay, but I don’t have all the information. I don’t know enough about grad to feel capable of making a judgement.

FWIW a lot of the .ml and Hexbear bashing is ridiculous, IMO. All the complaints about a “triad” and subsequent positive interactions on these two instances have made them seem unfairly maligned to me. Maybe it’s because I live in a part of the world where politics and political violence is even more messy, and the concept of “critical support” is much more clear to me. I don’t have west-as-default baggage. So a lot of what comes off to others as apologia for states that do bad things doesn’t necessarily bother me as much as it would bother someone else. I’ve seen more frequent egregious takes on .world and ShJW. Some of those guys legitimately want Israel to turn my home into a parking lot.

Big no from me

I'm clearly in the minority here, but I'm in favor of a trial refederation.

Support.

I say refederate. We haven't blocked any of the turbolib instances, so I think we should let users themselves decide what instance to block.

Anecdotal, but I've never had an issue with Lemmygrad or Hexbear like so many people here constantly complain about. I find both instances preferable to most of the shit that appears from places like .world

Genuinely why? Hexbear has some cool sizable communities that are mostly nonpolitical. Does lemmygrad have any of those?

Federate and let people block the instance themselves.

Support

It will be some degree of annoying, but I am against blocking in general. I feel if instance blocking can be avoided then it should be. Give it a try.

Support.

Unblocking will add more positive than give irritation. Maybe shift this instance a little more to the left, and spark debate, which is good.

+1 for refed.

no. even if i could block them themselves, there is no excuse for the glorification of authoritarianism, regardless of which country, and i refuse to support that. I already have enough issues with the fact that lemmy.ml is pretty much undefederateable because of dessalines and nutomic residing there, and hexbear is at least funny at times.

yes

nope. fuck politics.

Support, for just the trial period is fine

Aye.

When wit is the only thing required, I say the bigger the picture, the better.

I like all the.ml communities. I don't agree with every post, but that's any social media.

Since we already decided to embrace the concept of thought-crime with the ill-conceived ban on downvoting, we might as well embrace the autocrat fan club(s).