‘Being short is a curse’: the men paying thousands to get their legs broken – and lengthened
9mon 4d ago by lemmy.ca/u/AbaixoDeCao in health from www.theguardian.com
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Fucking hell. I mean... fuck.
I wish the world would lose all of its stupid societal stigmas that make people feel less human than their equally human peers.
You are a tall person, aren’t you?
Edit/comment: downvotes for this? lol triggered tall people is too much.
Edit/comment II: yup, the tall triggered folks have tiny hearts for their size. Let’s get the DV to >100.
Have you considered that the downvotes are because you made a stupid assumption?
It was a question and I suppose the answer is yes based on the response. You’re short aren’t you?
Yeah man I’m a leprechaun
Erin G’Braugh!
I'm only 5'11" but I agree with them.
Wait. 5 11 is short now?
Under 6'4" DNI /S
But for real a lot of Tinder bios and stuff have a 6' minimum stated. While 6'+ people aren't rare exactly, I've known many women and men who hover around that mark or exceed it, it does exclude a large segment of the population.
I think a large part of it is that women generally want a partner taller than them. Guys also seem to generally want a partner shorter than them. And a lot of people will just ignore others until someone checks all the boxes instead of taking a chance. This in turn tends to fuel the loneliness epidemic and can't be good for self image.
Psh than you goto a college town and it feels like 50%
I'm 6"6 but your comment is just tone deaf.
I’m 7’11 and I think he’s right on the mark
Nah, I'm not triGgeRed lol, so you are?
Can’t hear me up there, boss?
Does it matter? Even if the commenter is in fact tall, what was said is still 100% valid. Physical appearance is valued way too high
I think it does matter, yes. Context is important or at least interesting and I’m curious, so I ask. And an honest answer would’ve been nice versus a bunch of bitchy and meaningless downvotes.
What’s your credit card number? I need it for context. And don’t you dare give me a bitchy downvote!
Call me at 867-5309 and I’ll share it with you!
Jenny! I’ve been meaning to call you since 1981!
I thought I was your girl!
I firmly believe in the right to bodily autonomy and the freedom to modify one's body in accordance with their wishes. But also this definitely fits in the same mental category as breast augmentation where I hope people discuss their body image with a therapist first.
I'll admit, as a tall woman I'm probably the least likely sort to really understand, but I am sympathetic, even if I was attracted to men it would be unlikely for any given partner to be significantly taller than me, and as I'm not it's downright rare. There's lots of gendered awkwardness in being taller than most men, and I'm certain that short men aren't lying when they say the inverse is also true. But also, the short men in my life still feel pretty damn manly to me and the ones who own it have a certain extra charm that comes from that.
Also, the article mentioning guys over 6' doing this, and I really hope those guys talk to someone about it, because that sounds like it might be dysmorphia.
Also, the difference here is that while still an invasive operation, breast augmentation is way less destructive and still somewhat reversible compared to leg lengthening surgery. Not to mention the long and painful recovery process. And it’s not even guaranteed you’ll recover normally.
As a fellow fairly tall person, even beyond how it looks to be tall, you don't need to be much over 6' before it starts getting downright inconvenient. I'm just shy of 1.9m / 6'3", so by no means exceptionally tall (for my country and gender, at least) and like... there are a lot of times when it's just troublesome. I don't fit in places or things. A lot of clothes don't fit me well. I hit my head on things. A lack of legroom is often uncomfortable. I feel like I'm ruining the view for other people at concerts. The idea of people close to my height actively going out of their way to make themselves even taller - even if it was a trivial process, which it clearly is not - is madness to me
Of course I do understand that it's a self-image thing and such things do not care about practicalities. Everyone's got to find a way to be happy with themselves. I get that. It's just... god I hate hitting my head on stuff, that shit hurts
As someone who is 6'4", yeah, I feel similarly. Airplanes are terrible and I always hit my head on things. I kinda understand guys who are, like, 5'5" doing this. Most women like their partners to be taller than them, so it could significantly increase your dating pool to be 5'7". But once you're at 6', not only do most women not care at all if you are taller - they can't even tell.
My husband is 6'3" and works in a university kitchen.
The tables are too short causing him to be hunched over all day. The doorways are too short, there are overheads on the cookware and he hits his head on both these things if he's not paying attention.
He's size 14 shoe and can't just buy them off the rack and cost more. His knees and back are already failing him and he's not yet 40.
On a less serious note, I never wear heels. Taking photos together is a nightmare.
I'm short, 5'1". I've dated men from my height to his and dont really have a preference other than confidence in one's self.
People don't get to choose their height, and being tall is not all it's cracked up to be. I bet my husband would trade some height to be pain free if you asked him.
isn't this just body dysmorphia?
also, men are also vulnerable to body image issues, and we're also given unrealistic body standards in the media.
There are people liking dead bods and bald heads. There is hope 🤞
Keep the typo
Dead bods represent 💪
The is a good example of gender affirming surgery too.
This is a terrible example of gender affirming surgery.
How? These men believe that being tall is masculine, and they are uncomfortable emough in their bodies to literally get painful surgery for some extra height so they can feel more masculine.
it's a good example in the sense that it is a perfect example of gender affirming surgery.
not good as in the procedure is good, but as in a good fit for gender affirming
I'm going to directly compare this to top surgery or bottom surgery in trans people because i believe those are the best examples of gender affirming care but this also applies to hrt. I'm not trans and im not a pysc so take this with a grain of salt.
These men dont feel Dysphoria over their height what they are feeling is Body Dysmorphia. Body dysmophia is obsessive-compulsive disorder over a body part being 'wrong' or defective. An extra inch or two of height is not associated with being male. They will still be recognized as male before and after. They feel like they are male both before and after the surgery and gender never comes into the equation. They are obessing over height because of a mental health condition causing them to hyper fixate on this 'issue' that might not even be real. There are men who are like 6'1 getting height surgery.
Now if we look at top surgery for a comparison. Gender Dysphoria is described as an psychological distress where they identify with a gender other than the biological gender they were assigned at birth. FTM trans men might feel dysphoria from having breasts and top surgery directly addresses the root cause of the dysphoria. Breasts are a primary sex characteristic so this makes sense, something like botox would not be considered gender affirming care I believe.
It gets blurred because a lot of trans people also suffer from body dysomorphia and hyper fixate on body parts but there seems to be a clear distinction between the two conditions and height lengthening surgery doesn't fit the criteria for gender affirming care.
These men get gender euphoria from being tall and had gender dysphoria from being short. They believed being short was not masculine. They got surgery to feel more masculine. This is an example of gender affirming care, just like breast implants and hair plugs.
I cant see anything that links this to feelings of gender discomfort or euphoria and it doesnt make sense that this would be gender related. Its body dysmorphia and the treatment is therapy.
Do you want me to try and explain this to you again with even smaller words?
Being taller = man being short = women. Yeah youve already given me your idiotic take.
Do you think men don't see being tall as being more masculine?
Yes. Height is not a primary sex characteristic. People do not look at a 5'8 man as more feminine than a 5'10 man. If a man views himself as needing to be taller to be a man there is something else going on and its not gender dysphoira.
You seem to consider gender affirming care to be anything that increases confidence. Buying a cool jacket would be gender affirming care to you. I hate this because it waters down the topic to pointlessness. The world health organisation definition of the word includes "when it conflicts with the gender they were assigned at birth" which I agree is nessesary.
These men are conflating hight with masculinity.
These men are seeking medical care to affirm their gender.
You don't need to be trans to participate in gender affirming activities.
Gender is not a trans specific phenomenon.
Associating stuff with gender is not a trans specific phenomenon.
People doing the stuff they associate with their gender, to feel more confident and comfortable within their gender, is gender affirming activity.
Apparently yeah, I was only aware of the delusional variant (where the obsessed on flaw is not present).
I'm seeing dysmorphia run fucking rampant in men over the past several years. It was initially mostly noticeable with incels, but it's gotten much more noticably widespread.
isn't this just body dysmorphia?
No.
sorry to go back to this topic, but even if it's they social pressure or romance related it still disphoria, as long as you're uncomfortable in your own body.
the previous snippet conversation was overly snippy, I'm asking if you're ok?
you're just explaining the causes of body dysmorphia in men.
Claiming it's (just) body dysmorphia implies that the problems those people experience are just in their heads or at least exaggerated.
But as the article states this is not the case. Being a short man leads to lots of disadvantages and probably the most important one being having far fewer chances finding a partner. So there may be different ways of coping with the problem like acceptance but trying to change your appearance is not irrational - even though I wouldn't opt for that. But then again I don't have that problem - fortunately....
Being 5'3", I've thought about this kind of thing in the past. But the risks are too great, and I'm not looking to live with more pain through my life than I already have, just for the cause of being taller.
There are plenty of women who would date a 5'3 man, and plenty of the women are shorter than 5'3
I'm going to say this simply, given my dating history. Any man who's a halfway decent person can find someone who will love them and ignore relatively minor physical issues (and sometimes major physical issues too). Any man who's complaining about not getting dates just because he's short has one of three situations:
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He has the wrong social circle.
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It has nothing to do with his height, and the prospects he's approaching recognize the red flags.
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His own insecurities make it impossible for him to prioritize another person.
Of those, I have sympathy only for the first. Finding love is not easy for anyone, and it is possible to simply not know where to look. Otherwise, it's not about his height, it's either about his demeanor, or his own issues around his height.
My reason for wanting to be taller is extremely pragmatic: I need to be able to reach stuff in my kitchen cabinets without standing on the counter or getting a ladder. I need to be able to shop in stores without having to stand on the shelves to get stuff up top. Simple stuff. I'd also just once like to be able to see over someone's head in a packed movie theater, so that I don't have to choose between going only to shows that I think will have low attendance (matinees) or sitting so close to the screen that it's overwhelming.
Being tall sucks. I'm a dude and 6'6, if I could trade in for a normal sized body I'd do it in a heartbeat.
People are still dicks. Women don't fall from heaven onto my dick. I don't fit in cars, forget about flying. Finding clothes sucks ass. All furniture the world is child sized.
I can find people in a crowd though, for what's that worth...
So because I can't find a pair of pants tall enough without ordering it online I'm responsible for short mens' insecurities?
No wonder the world is a shitshow right now
The world is not child sized. I believe you when you say being tall suck. I am 1,5m, something like 4"11. So, the size of a child. I fit in cars, but I need a cushion. Lot of counters are so high that only my head sticks out. Finding clothes sucks too. My feet often don't touch the ground when I'm seating on an adult chair. I have to climb so much things. I can't reach all my shelves, even with a stool. Sometimes, sinks are a little too high.
I'm absolutely ok with my size, and I really think being small is easier than being really tall, but the world is not made for people my size. Really not.
As a 5'1" person, who, I've watched all the women in my family shrink with age, so I likely will too, I empathize with this statement.
The cabinet above the refrigerator in my home is empty. I cannot reach it even with a stool. I send my son up on the counter go get stuff from the top shelf for me. My feet also hang from many a chair. As a child, all my pants had to go to the seamstress to be hemmed. I remember finding a pair of capris pants in middle school, not realizing they were capris, and just being excited the length was right for pants on me. My mother used a cushion in her car as far back as I can remember, and I'm greatful new cars have more seating settings so I don't have to do that.
The best positive is I can buy child sized shoes and save a buck. But I do enjoy being short overall. I'd rather be short than so tall. But yeah, the world is made for the middle height people. Folks on either ends of the height scale have to make accommodations.
Reading the article, the guy didn't care to be tall, he just didn't want to be short. He had several bad experiences because of it, but also just wanted that for himself
Heey 6"6 here too, with slight back pain.
Nothing is made for us, socks, dispensers, ceilings, you name it.
Fun fact: in Sweden where I grew up, I was considered 'too tall', men shouldn't be over 1m86-ish.
No one asked society to be "designed around extremes" lol, make place for everyone IMO!
Your height range is bullshit too, and not even what people "look for", sweet spot pulled out of your behind lol.
So Spanish society did and Swedish too?
What are you smoking lol 🤣
jSYK this is literally gender affirming surgery.
So all these short kings are getting gender affirming care?
Cuz that's what I'm hearing here.
You're hearing wrong. Being tall is advantageous regardless of gender.
It's men feeling unmanly and having surgery to fix it. Of course this is gender affirming care.
Are women having these operations performed on them?
Yes, it's in the article. The "(shortness) is the last acceptable prejudice in society" quote is attributed to a female patient.
While it still seems like a gendered issue the way the article talks about it, the lengthening surgeries being done mainly on men and the rarer leg shortening on women; implying that women don't do this at all is wrong.
When I grew up it seemed like everything was only about women's bra size. Don't expect a man to want to date you if it is less than a C! Men want real women, not children without boobs! I've had classmates with <C who were planning their surgery by age 16. There was also a list circulating that some boys wrote where they judged the girls look based solely on boobsize.
Then we finally got rid of that bullshit and all agreed, that all boobsizes are ok. Just to turn around and replace it with this shitshow. It's like we can't just agree that everybody has different preferences, we just have to push the narrative that X property of a gender has to be a certain size, otherwise they are completely undatable.
It's really so sad to watch this shit happening over and over again...
Dumb. If a woman won't date guys based on their height, they're not worth being with anyway.
Exactly, dodged a bullet really.
It’s the equivalent of Peter Griffin wearing a shirt that says “no fat chicks”
Except being short isn't a massive health issue.
Yeah but the guys doing this are to young to understand this. All they see is online world reaffirming their fears that this is a huge deal to women. In my experience a lot of women who i thought wouldnt actually do care about it which surprised me.
Do you have another article on this? The guy this article focuses on is 38 and married.
Lousy self esteem is the curse.
We need better parents
And friends and teachers and office workers and plumbers and construction workers and
Yep
This is the answer.
I've never felt insecure about my height, and I do fall at the lowest end of the spectrum. Also one of the few times being gay has been a blessing since men tend to be a lot less fussy about height.
To me, everyone else's expectations are the problem. Not me! I literally don't understand the appeal because it feels like such an arbitrary thing to like, like hair color.
Hear hear. I am average-slim and gay. Being easy to handle by a larger man is basically non-existent-God’s way of making up for all the other difficulties of being queer in a straight world.
Being gay certainly has its perks! For being such an awful sin, the Christian god sure gives a lot of mixed signals.
Incels love to blame all their problems on height because it's the one thing that can't be their fault.
I think online dating makes this significantly worse for guys. If you're meeting women IRL height is a lot less of an issue but online just that number becomes a huge barrier that you simply cannot overcome. Women who you would either have not interacted with much or would have been okay with your height if you had met in person will go out of their way to insult your height or wordlessly unmatch as soon as they find out how tall you are. It takes a lot of mental fortitude to keep your head up and realize that it's just a false impression based on the messed up dynamics of online dating and I can see how it could just destroy a guy's self esteem completely if he didn't realize that or couldn't keep the fact that it's an illusion in mind.
online dating is a nightmare in general. If you are attractive and rich its probably very nice experience, but for the rest its just awful and makes you feel even more lonely and unwanted. Imo it should be regulated heavily.
…men asking women if they were female at birth.
Online dating is a garbage fire.
Men called me too tall so it’s not all women setting this standard. Men are not being their own best friend more often than you think and are mean to both men and women over it.
I'm 5'7". Slightly below the published average height for a man, I'm taller than something like 70% of women.
In this thread, you've got a bunch of tall guys talking about hitting heads on doors, not fitting in airplane seats...I have no such issues, the world seems more or less perfectly scaled for me. If someone says "Okay, the average man is 5'10", the average woman is 5'4", so we'll build this to be reasonably used by both" it works out to be pretty much my size. Things like shopping carts I find perfectly ergonomic to use.
Back when I was teaching flight school, I had a student who was a fairly tall man. I went with him to check out a Piper Cub he was thinking of buying. Plane was in great shape, duffel bag full of logbooks dating to the 1940s were in order, he could not climb into the aircraft, he physically did not fit inside. I fit perfectly, like it was made for me.
My experience with women: In high school and college I got pretty much all the chicks I wanted. Prior to 2010, not a single woman mentioned my height to me. In movies and TV, you'd hear the phrase "tall, dark and handsome" but In 2010, I broke up with a long term girlfriend and I disappeared into work for a couple years. I was either home sleeping or at the airport.
By 2012, asking women out in person had been repealed. You were REQUIRED to use a dating app, and those DO NOT work for men under 6 feet tall. 0.000 matches guaranteed.
Places I've gotten more pussy than all dating platforms combined:
My therapist's office. The receptionist gave me her number.
ERAU, a university with an 8-1 male-female ratio.
An aircraft mechanic school I won't identify, with a male-female ratio of 47-1.
My uncle's house. I've got 3 female cousins who tend to have friends over.
How is it I can walk into a sausage fest like A&P school, one of 94 guys on campus, many of them taller than me, driving nicer newer cars than me, wearing trendier clothes than me, and still be the one that gets one of the girls in her end? Well, in her own words, "You're the one that actually talked to me."
Actually talking to women does not work online, and has been made illegal in person. So. We're done here apparently.
Jesus christ
not sure if it's just me but reading this makes me extremely queezy.
Ugh I can handle medical procedures and nsfl situations but
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"turns the key that forces apart the rods in his femurs"
is too much of a step to grow more height methinks.
These kinds of articles are interesting to read but god gods like I can't imagine the insecurity one must have to actually commit into going through these kinds of procedures.
- I say this as a person below average height btw
Either way thanks for sharing!
One thing I'd suggest however is to use the NSFW tag as it does show open surgical wounds. Even though blood and gore related content doesn't bother me, it still might be unpleasant for others.
I feel so bad for guys who feel they need to do this. I've got several shorter than average friends, and they have all just leaned into it, and It's never been an issue for them. They are all happily married.
I am relatively tall at 6'4" and it certainly has its perks. But man does it have its downsides, which are only worse and worse the taller you are.
- Banging your head on stuff all the time
- No legroom in cars, buses, trains, and especially airplanes. Just being constantly uncomfortable when traveling.
- Limited clothing options if you want them to fit correctly, and a "tall tax" when a store does sell tall sizes.
Don't forget increased back pain.
East Asia is just not meant for us. I have had to literally squat and turn sideways to get through some doors. And riding public transport there, my head is above the hand holds
The door thing isn't too shocking. I live in Texas, and the doors to both bathrooms are not full width. I physically cannot walk through them straight on without my shoulders blocking me. I have to turn sideways at least a little bit to go through. We have lived there 6 years, and my wife didn't believe me the other day until I showed her.
I've not really experienced that here in Australia, though being taller than the cubicle wall in public toilets is an experience
Oh man, I didn't even think of that one. I have run into that too.
In Canada there is one store that carries big and tall. I didn't mind it because they sold quality clothing. Now though they're switching to cheaper materials. 5 years ago all my clothes were 100% cotton now it's blends of cheap crap. But I'm 6' 7" so I'm stuck.
We really need to start promoting therapy more...
I had a leg length discrepancy of a little under 3 inches when I was in middle school. They offered to either stop the growth in the long leg to let the short one catch up, or just directly lengthen the shorter one after I was done growing. After hearing what the process was for the latter, I happily chose the former. I'm alright being a little shorter if it means avoiding that torture.
Gattaca.
Came here to look for this comment
And in the film .... at least he was able to accomplish his dream in the end ... broken legs and all.
As someone who's experienced two broken legs after a car ran a red light , one of them a snapped femur, all I have to say is UGH.
I'd say they're insane to undergo something so awful, but then I'm already 1.89m tall, so I can't speak to the pressure someone short might face, or I suppose more importantly, think they face. That's some serious body dysmorphia they're dealing with; I hope that this at least helps them with that.
I’m wondering what kind of long term pain and complications these people are going to be dealing with as their body ages.
And you would also look weird, because you look disproportionate, because it's only your lower legs are lengthened.
Seems like your body would be all out of proportion.
proportions vary pretty wildly on their own, I'm not sure you can get the kind of length added that would actually make you look strange or unusual.
I feel conflicted.
On the one hand, people should feel comfortable in their own body and who am I to have any say in this.
On the other, "short" only means something in comparison to other people. The people seeking hair transplants and Botox can just have a specific vision of themselves, they don't need "more hair/smoother skin than the average person". But you cannot feel "too small" in isolation, I think. Not that I think too highly of cosmetic surgery either way.
Maybe I'm just grasping for reasons to justify my feelings on it to myself, but I don't like this one bit.
useful for people with severe leg length discrepency, but no body dysmorphia, it also ruins your walking, running ability too.
What is crazy is a lot of us women are ok with short men.
yes, there are a vocal FEW women who speak for the plethora of us. But they can fuck right off along with the men who have weight and breast and hair color and hair straightness preferences and willing to overlook pure value to meet those explicit bullshit standards.
But in my experience It’s the men who are not ok with taller women and martyr that we (the collective we as a women) are (all) forcing them into this kind of situation. I’ve had more than a few men announce I’m not allowed to wear heels. Or go out of their way to tell me I’m too tall for them. It’s honestly not women alone going around setting these rules as ‘The’ women standards for men.
Women don’t ever say to who a man “well your breasts make mine look too small/your straight hair makes mine look too curly/your blond hair makes mine too brunette/your thin waist makes mine look thick” to knock themselves out of the run by self perception alone.
Men are not men’s best friend in so many ways and you guys really have to start being your own best friends too here rather than your worst enemies. And look into mental health please.
I'm sorry, but women do on average mostly prefer taller men. This has been proven through multiple studies.
Likewise, men prefer women with medium or large breasts vs small ones too on average.
There's some things in human nature that just are.
What's different about us is we can accept that we don't have to accept the whims of biology as is and can have the self awareness to go against it or just accept what is and make best with what we have.
Physical features aren't everything, and successful relationships take more than that.
You posted links and then gave your own misinterpretation of them.
Are you under a delusion that you are the woman’s voice speaking on behalf of all women?
I speak for me. I didn’t hire you.
Let me know where I can send the pink slip cuz you’re fired from being my spokesperson.
By the by you misinterpreted the studies you posted. That is you spreading misinformation.
a lot of us women are ok with short men
No, you aren't. But as Sinatra would say: that's life.
I'd say speak for yourself but you don't speak for any woman at all
What kinda Gattaca bullshit is this?
In other words, tons of young men are getting surgeries that will make their legs less functional for a few inches of height.
Meanwhile I'm 6'5 and would gladly give up a few inches if it meant my back didn't hurt all the time.
Idk, trade a fucked up back for fucked up legs — pick your poison.
Honestly, I don't understand the uproar in the comments. The guy clearly knows what he wants and why. It carries a risk and it's painful, but it's a risk he's taking for himself knowingly
And don’t be so quick to judge, perhaps they are running an elaborate fraud in order to get on the next mission to Titan?
(It’s a Gattaca joke, folks)
Yeah but now you look like you have really short arms.
You'll have to get mom to help for the next part.
On the one hand, if surgery and/or various enhancements are an effective tool to give someone more confidence, and it's not really directly hurting anybody else, then my opinion is go for it.
To me, shorter men are hot, the size of your penis is pretty much irrelevant (bigger is not always better), and bald/balding/shaved heads are the bees knees. I mention the dick and the head o' hair because those are, in my experience, two other areas where men are commonly insecure.
Obviously I admit that as a gay man, my view on things may be different than that of a typical heterosexual woman. But overall, I really wish guys didn't feel the need to obsess over things like their height.
I don't have a link right now, and probably won't bother to go looking, but I was scrolling through posts a few days ago and saw one with a guy, who I would consider good looking, mentioned his height and weight. I clicked into the comments, and literally like the second most upvoted one in there referred to him as short. He was 5 feet 9 inches (a bit over 175 cm). Granted, it wasn't a derogatory comment if I recall correctly, but just the fact that it referred to a very average height as short really caught my attention. Now imagine if the guy was sensitive about his height and what that might do to his confidence.
Balding is fine, but to me, shaved head with a beard is kinda gross. I’d prefer the Homer Simpson hairdo to the weird hairless rat with a beard combination.
Bezos may have ruined shaved heads for me.
What about Patrick Stewart?
That ain't shaved
I think you might be confusing the word "shaved" with some other word.
"Balding is fine, but to me, shaved head with a beard is kinda gross"
PStew doesn't shave his head. It's all baldness baby
No one escapes the horse shoe unless they have alopecia (shout out to Jordan Walsh, we'll miss ya buddy!)
Patrick Stewart most definitely shaves his head and has since I think he was 19(?) he talks about it in his memoir.
19 is when he was bald as if you're talking make it so. He started losing it at 17.
I'm not trying to sound rude, but I'm coming back to this conversation a few days later and am wondering what you are trying to argue. Like dudes don't just look up and see themselves as dr.phil. it's a slow process. You first start losing hair and at some point it comes to "am I really going to be the guy with a comb over‽". The hairloss is gradual. It's up to you to make the decision. Patrick Stewart said he first started noticing it when he was seventeen, and decided he wasn't doing the comb over by nineteen.
What is it you're arguing?
If you think Patrick's hair has retracted all over his head at the same rate, then you don't know how hair works.
Just look at the picture above. It is clean shaven.
Balding means you have high testosterone. 💪
I'd rather have estrogen, but that's just me. Being a man is icky, and I say that as someone who builds wind turbines in the ocean.
Men will do anything but go to therapy.
Sorry folks, I'm 5'6" and I don't give a shit if you don't like it.
I wonder if they'll now develop the lower back pain that comes from being tall. I'm quite tall and know a few tall people, we all love to complain about back pain!
If you're under 5'5" what you do is exercise and bulk up, then grow a magnificent beard and speak with an extremely aggressive tone.
Yosemite Sam?
but by being taller does it not make their dicks shorter?
W.T.F. This insane. Like movie!
Weird. This was featured as a kind-of plot point in a recent rom-com I saw, Materialists. The character who had it done gave it glowing reviews...
I have long thighs and short lower legs. Pretty hairy too. I already look enough like an ape. No thx.
Can I pay to be shorter? 🤔
According to the article yes. Personally, even though part of me does wish I could be normal height I've done the mental work to appreciate the size I naturally wound up
Though, if there was a low risk way to shrink hands and feet that one might get me
You can serve your cuntry
okay yeah but body positivity is cringe amirite? shattering my bones means at least I get to be an asshole to people over superficial reasons again
There goes your chance to become a short-king influencer and change how society sees shorter than average men!
You've doomed your bros, and your baby boys.
Pure mental illness level insanity.
How is it different to what women and trans people do to their bodies? Is that also mental illness?
Exactly what do women do that's the same as this?
Transgender is a different subject.
"Beauty is pain" is a saying from women
-Some women bind their legs to stay petite, permanently crippling them.
-Most long term hair removal is painful
Bindings are certainly crazy, IMO.
Hair removal v. bone surgery is not the same.
Keep moving the goalposts on what is acceptable patriarchy
It makes you a great ally
I'm not moving any "goal post". Dimwit.
Jack Hanma wannabees.
Men are only ever short inside their own heads.
What delicious delusion, wish I could be there to watch you when it collapses
the vast majority of presidents since the advent of photographs in newspaper have nearly always been the tallest
Height has a powerful psychological effect, on the possessor and the witnesses
But here you are pretending the stigma doesn't exist
That’s exactly what I’d expect a diddy man to say.
Also, what’s supposed to happen when my delusion collapses?
That the majority of humans operate rationally, and not on some monkey tribe level pseudo consciousness.
All the cute little things people without power tell themselves to sleep well at night, that humans are inherently rational, or that people aren't judged on appearances, and that truth and justice always prevails if you just wag your finger 'naughty naughty' hard enough.
The delusion that we are anything more than naked apes fresh from the savanna evolution-wise and the tallest and loudest will always get preference.
Short men are judged and will always face a deficit no matter what, which is why they go the extra mile
Same reason fat people usually have good personalities
They have to do it to find a way to be equal because sure as fuck society won't let them have an equal footing out the gate
That's the delusion you need to get over, no one bothers looking for hidden qualities anymore, no one has the time
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Toxic masculinity too. If you read the article a lot of men are men’s worst enemy on height.
Actually, I think the whole height thing started as a counter-culture poke at men who had stated physical preferences.
It was the idea of hold men to an unrealistic physical standard to teach empathy, to show how objectification feels.
Like most pokes though, it went the wrong way, and contributed to the manosphere's formation instead.
My memory isn't the best though, so I may well be wrong.