Just got a Fairphone 6, AMA
9mon 2d ago by lemmy.ca/u/lightrush in android from lemmy.ca
Update 1
I see a framerate/refresh rate bug that occasionally locks the framerate at a low value upon unlock. Fixing it requires a lock/unlock cycle.
Do you wear wigs?
Have you worn wigs?
Will you wear wigs?
No, don't recall, maybe.
When will you wear wigs?
HAAH-!
When will you wear Wigs?
For those who have not seen the brilliant interview where Hans Jensen interviews Elijah Wood!
We're not doing this again
I'm invoking the mirror clause immediately.
I was there as that unfolded. It was a beautiful thing, and made me love that place in the early days before The Donald and all the corpo-bullshit.
Same. The good old days.
You hold your right index finger to your right temple and blink both eyes.
Noobs. Bet he doesn't even use Linux.
what is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
African or European?
how do you know so much about swallows?
Coconuts of course.
Naturally.
Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?
Fairphones.
He doesn't even swallow. He spits.
Swallow, come!
food or nest building materials
Do you think three wheeled cars should make a comeback?
I'd go for three wheeled bikes.
Those are called trikes... obviously. How have you not figured that out? Bikes are called what they are because they have two wheels, "Bi" meaning two, same as we humans are bipedal because we walk on two legs. If a person had a third leg they wouldn't be "bipedal with three legs", they'd be tripedal.
I seriously don't understand how anyone older than a literal child fails to understand that.
Haha love how angry this made you 😁 You go get 'em tiger 🐯
Is a bin with three wheels instead of two a trin?
That's his thing. He takes pleasure in being cruel. And because he's "technically" right, he'll never own that.
A bike is an object with two kes. What's a ke?
It's actually every other ke.
a Latinized form of Greek kyklos "circle, wheel"
It could also be an object with ke bis, which sounds much cooler if you ask me.
I don't understand how anyone older than a literal child would talk like you, tbh. And assume so much based on a joke to boot.
Only if the front wheel is like a rolling pin
Rear wheels: 235/55R19XL
Front wheel: Fred Flintstone style
“Yabba Dabba Doo!”
Aptera LFG!!!
I cancelled my reservation after the 16th prototype and 3rd fundamental design change.
I still have my reservation but I'm tempted to switch to Telo
I switched to Slate
I like Slate but it's not enough range for me
I forgot about this as soon as it didn't have a headphone jack.
I’ve legitimately seen a few (with a single back wheel) here in LA. I wouldn’t take it on a highway, but they seem alright. Like a juiced up golf cart you can drive on the street, or maybe a hobbled dune buggy.
Yes they're fine in LA street traffic. But probably not great in bad weather either.
Yeah, the ones I saw didn’t have a fully enclosed interior like a normal vehicle. Definitely not what I’d want to be in during a downpour.
Should I eat an entire black forest cake by myself?
Don't do it.
Have you done it before?
No.
Go for it! You won't get another chance when you're dead.
True.
Narrator: idunnololz died later that day after attempting to eat an entire Black Forest cake solo
Back when I was young, swimming competitively, my go-to high snack was an Entemann's All Butter French Crumb Cake and a half gallon of 2% milk. 2700 calories in a clip. Literally couldn't put on weight.
But this story's going to take a turn, because let me tell you, that shit catches up, and a poor diet is hard to forget, but when you're old you do put on the weight.
So I'm going to say no, don't eat the whole thing. Eat half of it.
Lmao. Well you see I'm an all-or-nothing kind of guy.
Just redefine your timescale. If you eat the whole thing by yourself over a week, you'll probably be fine. Probably.
Well I certainly wouldn't recommend sharing
If anyone wants a slice, they can get their own cake.
it depends, is it REALLY good and do you have to be anywhere for the next 4 hours or can you just lay around comatose?
I can confirm the cake is good and I can make time.
Thanks man.
- Does it have USB-C video out?
- Do you plan to run any custom ROMs / Can it run custom ROMs?
It has a USB 2.0 Type C connector, unable to carry video signal in any device AFAIK
Yes. Massive downgrade imo. I really wanna know why they did this. It cant have been thaat expensive right?
To be fair (pun intended) very, very few people ever use the USB-C port for anything other than charging and maybe syncing photos to a pc.
The connector itself costs like 8 bucks, I don't know how much more expensive it would be for them to design the signal integrity in their motherboard, required to carry the video stream.
Still, for the price and for the market segment they're targeting, this and the lack of a 3.5mm jack for sound is inexcusable.
To be fair (pun intended) very, very few people ever use the USB-C port for anything other than charging and maybe syncing photos to a pc.
That's because even Samsung with its DeX feature barely advertises desktop mode. People use iPads as desktop replacements these days. Once they realize that hooking up a phone to the same USB C dock is an option, they'll use it.
Google seems to be starting to invest into desktop mode again because Samsung users are loving it. So lets hope it makes a comeback in future generations.
Samsung users are loving it
Only a small fraction because Samsung doesn't advertise it, even though they could make know off ads of Nintendo's Switch ads back in the day: Show a person playing some game on the bus, then coming home and docking the phone to the TV and the person grabs a game pad. Done. They could make a variation of the same ad every time some big name game comes to Android.
Not even for gaming, but just general office work/watching videos/whatever else you can do inside a browser.
I still want a laptop thingie with a battery under the keyboard, some ports, and where the phone acts like the trackpad when docked. I know that it would be phone specific due to the size, but seriously that would be amazing. The "laptop" can be pretty cheap being just a keyboard, battery, and monitor as well.
Imagine a spot where someone wakes up, has their phone in a dock to stimulate an alarm clock, grabs it, and drives to work (with android auto, obviously). Next scene they arrive in the office, plug their phone into a dock with keyboard/mouse + monitor attached and start working seamlessly. Later they sit down in a café with just a tiny keyboard writing some emails on their phone, go back home and Screencast videos to their TV.
It's called NexDock and you can buy one right now.
The connector itself costs like 8 bucks
What? Even if you buy them as a consumer they are less than a dollar each, when you buy them wholesale on a reel for a pick and place machine they are $0.20 each
unable to carry video signal in any device AFAIK
That would be my personal no-go, not with upstream Android getting desktop mode and the ability to run desktop Linux applications. I sometimes use Samsung DeX when I sit down at my desk and realize that all my "regular" computers (= a notebook and a Steam Deck) are out of reach without getting up again.
Fuuuu there is literally only one Xiaomi in there :-/
- Don't know if it supports video out yet.
- The bootloader is unlockable and there seems to be support by Lineage OS, but I don't see Fairphone 6 yet.
Unfortunately they dropped the video out from the new model...
They dropped the whole USB protocol to USB 2.0, which consequently dropped the video out
Feels like some are taking steps backwards. Pixels also.
It was probably a cost analysis thing. I'm willing to bet that not a whole lot of customers actually utilized the USB 3.0 protocol in the FP4 and 5.
I don't disagree that it's not an ideal choice, but I'm sure they had their reasoning.... 🫤
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
Didn't need to so far but I did it for you. It's still alive. 😄
Where are you? What OS?
Ontario, Canada. Ordered from Clove UK. Stock Fairphone OS.
What apps are pre-installed? Anything other than the stock Google stuff?
Minimum set of Google apps, Fairphone's cam and "My Fairphone." That's about it.
What did it cost you including any shipping costs?
CAD $889 shipped. Then CAD $127 in duties to DHL. CAD $1015 total.
Thanks for the reply. I'm also in Canada, and yeah that's a lot. I hope you love it!
Which provider? I've avoided FP because I wasn't sure the big three would support
Freedom. The only band it lacks for their Torontario network is band 13. I decided to risk it because Freedom used to run the network without band 13 until a few years ago. So I reason the coverage without it should be similar to the before time. That means a bit of a downgrade in signal and probably battery, given that band 13 is lower power, longer range fequency. But then again the FP's modem is Qualcomm so it may end up being more power efficient than the turd in my Pixel. So I decided to try it out.
Awesome, thx! I might have to try one out for my next phone cuz I love the ethos. Enjoy! 😊
Write another reply to my comment in a few weeks to ask how the real world testing on cellular has gone. I'll get a notification and reply.
Can do, thx!!
Seconding this, im on a FP4 and in the US so... Some real product reviews would be appreciated.
No questions, but I'm so fucking pissed that Fairphone is on their 6th generation and still doesn't offer them globally.
I have to replace my wife's dying phone, and it kills me that I'll end up buying some garbage, probably from Google, that will end up as garbage in a few years.
Please, bring these to Canada! 😭😭😭
Buddy, I'm in Torontario guy. Bought from Clove UK for 1016 Canadian peso final-final, after DHL blood sacrifice.
I don't want to import, I want to purchase from an authorized local dealer with warranty and parts available in Canada.
Even clove says that you'll need to send the phone back to the UK, at your expense, for any warranty related work. That's not only incredibly time consuming and costly, but it would negate any environmental benefit of owning the phone!
I can't imagine how expensive and delayed parts would be, again, missing the point of having a repairable phone.
The demand for at least North American consumers is there. I wish Fairphone would just do it already.
Murena is an official authorized seller of Fairphones, but they come with e/os (you can reinstall the original if you have a computer)
Edit: Damn its available for the US but not Canada.
Got it. Yeah it makes sense for the warranty. I assumed I could get parts in Canada though. I might have jumped the gun on this one. I thought iFixit sells them and they do but I can see their site says "Not sold in Canads" for a few parts I checked just now. Hmm.
E: It seems that Clove also sells parts. I see some FP4 and 5 parts. No FP6 parts yet.
I bought my FairPhone from Clove too. It was easy and the phone works great here.
Opening up their market to another 400 million to multiple billion people would make those expenses worth while, though.
We need ethical, environmentally conscious, future proof options for smartphones in the Americas. 😫
And towers. You live where I live, very low population density and thick forest make cell phones iffy at best. Many places I go have absolutely no cell service and probably never will. I will be dead before we get access to 5G here.
I will be dead before we get access to 5G here.
I have the opposite problem! 5G is being forced on us here (Ontario, Canada), and my mobile provider just closed of their 3g network, and are making 4g more expensive. I don't need 5g. I don't even need 4g, and to have to pay for it just sucks.
The US closed out 3G a few years ago. So 4G/LTE is the default now. When we had 3G, the reception was even worse. And 5G is supposed to be the thing. But even in the nearest big town, (Pop. 15,000), the 5G reception is very spotty. But at least my bill hasn't gone up.
In any case, even my new Pixel 9a only shows one bar where I live. But at least I can send a text reliably now.
The US closed out 3G a few years ago.
Funny enough, was setting up a new phone and saw the option to enable 2g with an actual toggle! LOL
I know Fairphone would probably be quite expensive even for the price it offers if it ever came to my country, but for the update cycle they offer and repairable build (looks at my broken screen of old Nokia), it actually makes sense. I don't particularly need the highest end specs, I just need a mid ranger phone that's sufficiently fluid and Fairphone fits the bill.
In fact, I was more intrigued by their earbuds. IIRC, they are the only one with a replaceable battery. For a set of wireless ones, that is a huge step. I don't think their sound profile was/is as good as Sony's or Sennheiser's but the simple fact that they don't have to end up as e waste makes them way more value for money in the long run.
I know Fairphone would probably be quite expensive even for the price it offers if it ever came to my country, but for the update cycle they offer and repairable build (looks at my broken screen of old Nokia), it actually makes sense.
This is why I got a Framework laptop, and why I wouldn't mind getting a Fairphone. I'm tired of planned obsolescence, and the e-waste it needlessly creates.
I don't think they're handling their current scale well just in Europe, even. VoLTE works on a limited number of carriers even in Europe. e.g. only T-Mobile is recommended by FP in Poland, but it's just one of the four large telcos. I wouldn't expand if I was at that point. Plus, they're busy with making their support less horrible (see post on their forum) for now.
edit: damn fp6 doesn't support any Polish carrier, a step down from FP5 https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9779766652689-How-to-set-up-4G-and-Wi-Fi-Calling
That's disappointing. They've been around for over a decade, and still have these "growing pains"?
Even phones from much smaller, more niche companies (i.e Pinephone) have had global availability and work on global bands.
This is just about VoLTE that's used for higher bandwidth of voice calls (and HD Voice). Calling works normally, it's just that they don't have the "HD+" icon in the dialer, so they aren't high quality voice calls). It doesn't impact my life very much but it's one of those things that are missing.
At first congratulations to your new phone.
A few questions:
- Are there any notable gaps between the screen and the side? Can you e.g. put a piece of paper between it? Asking because the predecessor had these and they required cleaning from time to time as dirt accumulated in these
- Did you test the camera yet? Are you ok with the zoom or picture quality in darkness?
- Did you get a case? How are these available currently?
- How is the sound quality?
- Did you already open the backcover? Are there any difficulties in doing so?
- Are there any notable gaps between the screen and the side? Can you e.g. put a piece of paper between it? Asking because the predecessor had these and they required cleaning from time to time as dirt accumulated in these
Can fit a sheet just about. A thicker sheet might not fit.
- Did you test the camera yet? Are you ok with the zoom or picture quality in darkness?
The cam is quite decent in my testing so far. Zoom beyond 2x gets ugly quickly. The system is similar to Pixel a-series. One very good 50MP sensor for everything and low zoom, and one ultra-wide for wide shots and macro. Will be testing it more but first impressions are good. I think I can live with it coming from a Pixel 8 Pro.
- Did you get a case? How are these available currently?
No case, Clove didn't sell one. Still in search for a case.
- How is the sound quality?
Not as loud as the Pixel 8 Pro but very good and loud enough. No farts or other bad speaker noises.
- Did you already open the backcover? Are there any difficulties in doing so?
Not yet.
What's your favorite dinosaur?
☺️ Ducks 🦆
Delicious AND waterproof!
Is it pretty “snappy” ? Wondering if there is any lag time or if runs smoothly right away or what settings I got to mess with to minimize responses time.
How do you like it so far?
Any good/bad surprises?
What OS/rom you planning to run or keep it stock?
What were your motivations for getting it?
Snappier than my Pixel 8 Pro.
So far I like it. The screen is great. The speaker is decent. The camera looks to be fairly decent. Not Pixel 8 Pro level at zoom, but otherwise it seems comparable to some of the Pixel a-series cams I've seen. The only thing that bugs me so far is the shittier haptic feedback compared to the Pixel. 😄
I am shocked how fast and good the power button fingerprint reader is. Especially coming off of the Pixel's in-screen reader.
Running stock OS for now.
Among other things, a combination of Fairphone releasing the 6 with improved camera and Google stopping publishing device code with Android 16. The future of third party OSes on the Pixel line is now in limbo. I'm still unsure how well the Fairphone will work on my carrier in Canada since it lacks one of the bands used. Seems okay for now. I'll need to take it out in the wild and see the impact on signal and battery.
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions (:
I am looking at moving to a OS/Rom that is geared towards pricy and thought the pixel was it! Alas, like you stated the pixels future with a custom OS does not seem clear so I was hoping that the fairphone might be it. I definitely have only done surface level research so far ( I’m poor and don’t want to excited yet haha)
What band does it lack? That’s definitely something I would not have thought of till you mentioned battery life. Looks like I got more research to do before I purchase anyways.
Any chance you’ll update this post with a reply on your results for battery life I would be most interested in the effect and if it’s negligible?
My current phone is about 5 or more generations behind. I’m not a photographer or big picture taker so the drawbacks you noticed wouldn’t even be on my radar haha
Appreciate the detail in your response and time again thank you!
It lacks LTE band 13. Reply to some of my comments in a few weeks time and I'll see the notifucation and update with some real world testing. If money is a problem, don't spend it on this. Get a second hand Pixel 7/8/9 when yours dies and use that as they can be found relatively cheap. The a-series are even cheaper but you have to watch for battery issues. The Pixel can still be locked down fairly well with the stock OS by disabling various apps and components, and by throwing anything you don't trust in Private Space.
Thanks for all the great info on your post and replies, yeah I’m going to just bite the bullet and do it. Guess it’s time to do real research 🧐
Check what the parts availability is where you are. Some signs point to possible lack of/difficulty obtaining parts in Canada for example.
How’s the battery life?
Not sure yet but it seems decent so far. Will report as I get more usage.
Keep us up to date on this. My batteries have always sucked
Why do they call it oven when you of in the cold food of out hot eat the food?
This is a truly cursed sentence and it makes my brain hurt.
I can't tell if this is making fun of a specific dialect or just utter fucking nonsense
Best to be offended just in case.
I don't know about making fun of a dialect, but it's not quite utter nonsense - "oven" sounds like "of in", so it can be interpreted to mean that it shouldn't be called oven, because when you put the food in it's cold, you only eat it when taking the food out, when it's hot.
The sentence structure is so absurdly wrong it makes me wonder if somebody was genuinely trying to make a pun and ended up with that, or if it was intentionally butchered.
"of out hot eat the food" is definitely nonsense. I understand the joke,, but "hot eat the food" doesn't make sense.
It's "of out hot" and "eat the food" - if we interpret "of in" (derived from "oven") to be putting in the food, then "of out" would mean to take the food out, and thus "of out hot" would mean you take it out hot, and eat it
Ai generated nonsense lol
Edit: Apparantly actual humans made this nonsense "meme". I'm losing faith in modern society... the future is just gonna be weird "skibidi"-type nonsense 🤦♂️
This joke is way older than LLMs becoming mainstream.
It's sad that people keep calling non-AI generated stuff as AI-generated. Us humans are perfectly capable of nonsense too!
I hate that LLMs are going to permanently change culture in such ways, even if they're not directly part of a thing
I mean I am all for AI hate but people just label anything AI nowadays. In this case it quite obviously shows at least 2 people are familiar with the nonsense joke. The least you could do is search the term on the web and see if it is something.
For sure
I had hoped Lemmy mods would stay on top of stuff like that and ban bot accounts.
I'm none the wiser after reading that
At least you now have context.
Ok boomer /s
Actually am Gen Z, the older Gen Z, I hate how this "skibidi" cringe shit and "tik tok" ruined the image of the "Gen Z".
How are you older gen z and never heard of this meme?
Also what do you define as older gen z?
Am I having a stroke?
T H I C C
What did you have for breakfast this morning?
Does the flashlight led have multiple brightness levels?
Tried flashdim from F-Droid, doesn't seem to work.
Best app ever
Never heard about it. Works great in Pixel 8!
that's an android feature. technically I think any phone could do it.
If the hardware isnt able to switch the LED at least like 200 times a second, then it cant do proper PWM that doesnt look flickery so no you can definitely have a phone that isnt capable of it.
Why would they use PWM to drive an LED in a DC circuit when they could just drop the voltage to make it dimmer?
Could be done but voltage regulators just burn a bunch of energy which doesnt seem very smart for a mobile device. Also if you already need a transistor for switching the LED then just picking one that can do so at 200Hz or more is gonna save you an extra part and give you much finer and easier control over dimming.
Should I get one?
If you need a phone and can afford it, so far I think so.
How much is it?
Also how much RAM/Storage did you get?
Or 1016 Canadian dollhairs, delivered.
Hows the new minimal UI?
Meh. Just a limited launcher. I remapped the button to the flashlight.
Can you map it to anything you want? Like, say, make the button turn on constant phone vibration. Asking for a friend.
Sadly no:
If you don't care about Do Not Disturb, you could probably jank more functionality by making a different function trigger whenever DND comes on with Automate or Tasker...
Oh that's sadly really limited. I would probably also set it to flashlight.
Fair enough. I wondered if it would cause a difference in how people use the phone.
How's the build quality? Does it feel more like a budget or premium phone?
I'd say mid. It feels similar to a Nexus 5 or a BlackBerry Z10. I like it a lot. There are no pointlessly slippery surfaces that make it slide off of any table. Doesn't seem like every nick would show. Ever since my first glass-backed phone went into a case, the enclosure premiumness of every phone has lasted of tens of minutes. It's been all rubber and vinyl afterwards.
You had me at Nexus 5. My favorite smartphone out of the 5 I've owned
God damn, I miss that phone. Or I should say, I miss using it. It's in a drawer.
ASL?
35/?/TO
Preliminary battery testing results:
During this first discharge session, I've installed apps, transferred data, posted all my comments here, etc. All on WiFi.
How's the camera. Compared to say samsung or iphone if you had any of those before.
Pretty decent actually. I'll be doing more comparisons in the days and weeks to come, but for now it's not a huge downgrade from my Pixel 8 Pro. So far some photos have come out better and some worse. There's no comparison to the optical zoom the Pixel can do of course.
Does the LTPO display work and save battery by dialing down the refresh rate to 1hz when idle for 24/30hz when playing videos?
Also, do casual games support 120fps like pocket rogues, quest of wizard, etc.
Last question, is the animation experince good with 3rd party launchers like Niagara, Smart launcher 6, Lawnchair?
No idea on the LTPO and refresh rates. Don't play games. I set it to 60Hz, it defaults to 90Hz.
I use Lawnchair. The animations are okay. The same imperfect animations as on my Pixel.
E: Actually I think the back animation is a bit more broken for some apps.
If you enable developer settings by tapping the version number in, about settings 5-7 times you can enable "show refresh rate" and see how it changes in real time.
I use Lawnchair. The animations are okay. The same imperfect animations as on my Pixel.
Good to know.
E: Actually I think the back animation is a bit more broken for some apps.
I guess some things can be broken more or less. Thanks for the response.
Consider doing a longterm review in the future when use the phone for longer than a few months.
What is their plan to provide long-term support? How long do they say they will support it? I had the FP1 and after a few years there were no more firmware updates from I think Qualcomm. Google eventually stopped supporting the chip for newer android versions, and fairphone didn't have the resources to do it on their own. Then there was a major security vulnerability. I don't remember which one, but basically remote code execution was possible just by visiting a website. With no updates for the FP1, it was unusable from then on for everything remotely private.
The hardware worked fine until the end, but this mess made it unusable. In comparison, my recently bought Pixel 9 gets updates until 2032.
Can we get a side by side photo of this with your old phone (pixel 8 pro)?
Want to see how much smaller it is and is it is small hands friendly
It's not too much smaller,
Not going to lie that is slightly disappointing. Was hoping that the reduced screen size would make it smaller and easier to hold. How has your experience been with regards to holding the phone - is it substantially easier¿?
Actually I prefer the larger size of the Pixel. I don't know if I'm jist used to it or it's my hands but I've tended to like bigger phones. I always type double-handed.
What kind of motorbike would you recommend for vietnam? Redlining a Honda Wave to do 55mph for an hour is awful, but a <200 lb bike is really nice in traffic and when you have to go over curbs, and bigger bikes are more likely to attract police attention.
My buddy got a cb1000r dirt cheap, and hates it in the city, and is constantly paranoid every traffic cop is gonna take the bike or demand a shitton of money.
What is your skin treatment routine? Your hands look nice and smooth.
Strict avoidance of defatting injury.
😂
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Are you running /e/OS or Android?
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How are the OS speeds?
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How is the camera?
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How is the Bluetooth audio quality?
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Are you using the phone inside or outside the EU?
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If using inside the US, how is the cellular service?
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Any flaws you can see now, and any cool aspects?
Hahaha, it's always fun to find rude people who are wrong. "Android is a trademark of Google LLC. It is used to refer to the operating system and related products developed by Google". /e/OS is based on LineageOS, which is itself based on AOSP. The fact he differentiated /e/OS to Android does make sense, since Android refers to the stock version, which is cluttered with Google stuff.
If only your knew AOSP itself stands for Android open source Project. And since „Googles” Android is based on AOSP too, and dosent do much except adding modules to the root system, an Android system with Google Framework added is still just as much an android system as an AOSP system is if I added Seedvault to its root environment.
In other words, Googles Android is still based on AOSP, so something based on AOSP is still as much Android as something based on googles fork of ANDROID.
But let's view it from a slang standpoint:
Since, as far as I can tell, your view of what is AOSP and what is android is based on if its Root environment was modified.
If we look at it that way, Samsung's OneUI is not Android, too. Xiaomis whatever is not Android too. But still people are calling Samsung an android phone. Same as with everything else.
Also, your use of Patent Laws to determine what is and isn't called what is completely unsolicited, since it is completely unable to catch many cases such as AOSP, WHICH BTW HAS EXISTED BEFORE GOOGLE BOUGHT IT.
So your „ummm, akschually” response doesn't only make you a shill for the corrupt patent laws which are not only discouraging innovation, but oppressing indie teams making the said innovation, such as in the case Palworld, but your answer dosent even take the current social usage of what is and Isn't android into consideration.
Serious question, does being rude make you feel better?
To be honest, im kinda into torturing others, so that could be Kind of my other fetish to be honest
So you're putting your fetish on others without their consent? Gross.
Its less of a fetisch, and more just an urge. Its just my Psychosis, I guess
Super cool story bro. Doesn't change the fact that everyone immediately knew what OP was talking about, where as you prefer to keep everything obscure.
I am well aware of what AOSP stands for, but what you say doesn't really make sense. OneUI, MIUI, etc are all derivatives of Google's Android i.e. all come with Google Play Services installed as a system app. So, however you might frame it, it is still in fact a sensible thing to use the term "Android" to refer to "Stock Android" with Google when talking about these topics. Moreover, this is also very useful to make it clear to people who are not aware of the intricacies of AOSP how some operating systems DO NOT depend on Google services. You can see this being used by companies like Tutanota on how to "Degoogle your life". The simply put, as a replacement for Android, CalyxOS, /e/OS, LineageOS, etc. Despite these being AOSP based ROMs, using Android to refer to google based systems and AOSP to refer to independent ROMs that do not come with Google Play Services by default is VERY useful to make the point come accross. If you don't believe me, look at any popular news media source that talks about GrapheneOS, for example.
PD: I still believe the fact that Android is a patented trademark of Google gives validity to the expression, regardless of how one might feel about patent law.
How old are you? Should you be in class or something?
/e/ IS Android.
Didn't know that. It's always been marketed as its own separate OS. Thanks for being an asshole!
Like on every other phone that supports at least bt 2.
Thanks
/e/ is a degoogled fork of Android, just like Calyx or Graphene.
I'll give a short overview of my experience with the phone thus far. In general, I'm pretty happy with it. For now it's adequately snappy. It does lag in some apps and has some odd behavior (YouTube seems to lock the refresh rate to 60 as soon as any preview starts playing, even if it's off screen, making scrolling not as smooth), but in general the responsiveness of the phone itself is very good. They have some annoying bugs. For example, they still haven't fixed the screen being locked to like 10Hz when unlocking the phone sometimes. But, in general, it hasn't really been a problem, have been using it without much issue. The most annoying part has to be the positioning of the volume buttons, for me at least. They're positioned on the left side of the phone, directly opposite to the power button, so I'm constantly taking accidental screenshots. It's extremely annoying, and I don't understand why they decided to put it there. As someone else mentioned, there are tiny gaps between the screen and the frame, as well as some other seams, so some dead skin gets in there making the phone look a bit dirty, but it isn't too bad. Double tap to wake is pretty bad, it often doesn't register double taps properly, and it often gets accidentally activated in my pocket, making the phone try to dial emergency services, forcing me to disable it.
While I have been quite critical when listing the faults, in general I'm still happy with the phone. I was actually surprised by the camera. It's nothing special, but I expected it to be worse. However, it has much beter performance than I expected, especially in low light, just that the zoom is very bad since it doesn't have an optical zoom lense. It does what I need it to while being more repairable and from a more ethical company, so if you need a mid range phone, and don't mind minor inconveniences, I'd recommend it.
I’m european, so for me it’s easier to buy it, however I’m sad about the fact that mid range phones are now 600€ or whatever. That is a new low for consumers…
I mean, this one is 600€ because it's from a small, low volume company, is highly repairable and invests in a bit more ethical materials. You can still find decent midrange phones for e.g. 300€. My friend got a Xiaomi, idk which one exactly, for 300€, and its performance is about on par with my Fairphone.
Totally. I would much rather buy a Fairphone TBH, I don’t think it’s such a high price to pay for what it’s offering, but I guess phone prices are not what they used to be anyways.
I also have had the 10hz stutter issue. But I tried this and for now it does not seem to occur anymore https://forum.fairphone.com/t/fp6-refresh-rate-dropping-seemingly-random/119947/44
I'll try it out, thanks!
For now it seems to work, but I now have a different issue, the fingerprint scanner doesn't work when I unlock my phone sometimes, which never happened before. Weird
Is it noticeably slow?
I bought the FP4 a year or so ago, and I couldn't tolerate how slow everything was on it
Also, does it work with US cell networks?
I don't have any problems with the FP4.
Having a FP4 myself, I do suspect it's significantly slower than alternatives at similar prices - not a problem for most uses, only things that would actually stress the CPU, but it could bother some people.
It's a small company and they use fair materials whenever they can. They also pay their factory workers a better wage.
The whole idea kind of implies less performance for your money.
Yes, but it doesn't change the fact that some people won't use it for that reason, and makes it a fair question if the new model is also "slow".
Definitely not noticeably slow. It feels just as fast as my Pixel 8 Pro and it might even feel snappier. I'm sure that CPU-heavy tasks like image editing ops would be slower but the general performance feels great so far.
Was the downgrade to USB-C 2.0 noticeable to you so far? As in, with the slower data transfer speed or lack of Display output?
It's the main reason why I ended up going with a Pixel 9 pro instead of Fairphone 6 when getting a new phone a few months ago
How long did shipping take?
Several days. I ordered it from Clove UK, not Fairphone since Fairphone doesn't ship to Canada.
Is the screen glass easy to change?
Haven't seen the details but iFixit gave it 10/10 repairability score.
I want to like these. I compared the specs though and my note 20 ultra from half a decade ago still blow these out of the water in terms of specs.
I want a high end repairable phone
What do you use that yellow switch for?
The Fairphone (Gen. 6) comes with a physical switch on the side which, by default, will trigger Fairphone Moments. Fairphone Moments is a brand new minimalist experience to use your Fairphone with fewer distractions. This gives you the freedom to disconnect when you want and stay fully present in real life or customize moments fitted to your own experiences, such as focus and travel modes.
Welcome back iPhone 5
Just the flashlight for now.
you can set the function in the settings if you keep the stock os. things like flashlight, work profile and such.
on /e/os it is hard set to turning on and off camera & microphone access. at least i haven't found a way to rebind it
Is the software buggy? I did not like the Fairphone 5 mainly because of how buggy the Google Android version was... I had random reboots and freezes, framerate issues, UI elements that glitched or didn't fit the screen properly. Hope they were able to fix that by now.
I too have the Gen 6, but i choose the e/OS version. Great phone so far.
I have a FP5 with android and haven't had any major software issue (so far, over the last 1 to 1.5 years). In fact the only issue I noticed was that the 5G implementation was pretty bad at first, using up way to much battery
Well, Pixel 8 is no different to that. The hardware is great, with grapheneos its awesome. But god damn the cellular internet modem is awful. It heats up & drains the battery as well.
(With android) you can set it to prefer 4G/LTE which is enough tbh
Anyone know if this works in Australia ? Our telcos seem to block anyrhing not sold on Australia these days. Not sure how tourists are getting on, data esims I guess.
Anyone know if this works in Australia ?
I don't. However, I do have a search engine, and I plugged in "fairphone 6 australia".
https://old.reddit.com/r/fairphone/comments/1lmcz1l/fp6_australia/
You can view the full list of what Fairphone devices are IMEI/TAC blocked on each Australian network at https://isthisphoneblocked.net.au/device-brands/fairphone
The Fairphone 6 (TAC: 35901961) is within the Optus Checker Database (3 June 2025 Dataset) and is (currently) "Device is NOT Blocked", it just doesn't have a name.
The Fairphone 6 is also not in Telstra's TAC Checker database but it's most likely not blocked (not blacklisted), however it's likely not officially Whitelisted ("Not Blocked") either, so it could be blocked at any time if the telco thinks its 'incompatible'.
Hey guy maybe youre having a bad day or whatever but when you say something like "thats a dumb question easily answerable on google" you invalidate the asker and it's just... unnecessarily snarky.
If you think a question is poorly considered, you can just ignore it.
Besides which, it's the internet. We're all just here passing the time of day, thinking thoughts and asking questions and engaging in supposition.
If no one is allowed to ask anything already answered on reddit, what is even the point of lemmy?
Is P = NP?
I bet on P != NP.
Depends. If N = 1, then 1P = P. Otherwise, no.
Will you use a photo of a rabbit as background image?
Super cool! I have a 5 and my partner is hoping to get a 6.
How's it feel? I went from a pixel to the 5, and she's going from a pixel 8 to the FP6. I'd say my biggest complaint is that the 5 is large and heavy.
Why switch from a Pixel 8? It's still fairly new.
Good question, and it's actually a 7 (I just didn't pay enough attention). It's like a ~1 year from now plan probably
Pretty good, similar to a Nexus 5 or a Z10. I'm coming from a Pixel as well, an 8 Pro, if I don't find any showstopper that is. 😄 I actually like how big the 8 Pro is but I don't mind the FP6 size.
Is it able to use satellites for communication?
I don't think so.
No, that's why it bought a phone.
Where do you plug in your headphones?
In a Qudelix 5K. Ever since phones got really thin and their jacks too fragile for heavy headphone plugs and cables like the ones on MDR-7506/ATH-M50 (mid 2010s), I embarked on a journey into high quality Bluetooth audio receivers. For many years now FiiO has made way better Bt amps than what's available in most smartphones, even when most had headphone jacks. The Qudelix 5K is one of the best small format amps these days. On the wireless side, LDAC and AptX have eliminated Bt bandwidth as significant quality constraint. That said talking over such a setup has always been some form of bad.
Thanks, I hate it. One more set of batteries, one more flaky wireless link to troubleshoot. Please take all those fancy electronics, and put them inside the phone where they belong.
Fairphone does make wireless earbuds with replaceable batteries. That being said, does the Fairphone 6 not come with a 3.5mm jack? Sony still ships it's Xperia series with both the jack and microsD slot, so that is certainly possible.
But they are still using Bluetooth right? That's a hard nope, it must be my personal dark aura or something, but Bluetooth devices just refuse to work reliably for me. I just don't want to deal with that anymore.
I really miss the good old jack port, not only does it just work, you can both charge your phone and listen to something at the same time as I do often in the evening. Having the charging port double as the headphone connector is such a step backwards.
Can you tell that to my pair of AirPods Pros? The amount of times only one of the in-ears decides to connect to my phone or laptop is just plain infuriating. All those devices support Bluetooth 5.0, but reliable is not the word I'd use to describe my experience.
Same for stuff like file transfers between my phone and laptop, I'm sick of that generic "file transfer failed" message without any helpful hint as to what went wrong this time. A cable is reliable, Bluetooth is definitely not in my personal experience. Sorry.
There’s still enough space for a headphone jack in current phones. They are omitted as a cost cutting measure.
Latency is still worse than wired. For gaming its somewhat okay nowadays, for making music its not.
The cost is a tiny aspect. There is the space issue and the physical issue. Jacks are holes where dust and water come in, making it harder to make devices resistant and as durable as they can be.
Jacks are holes where dust and water come in, making it harder to make devices resistant and as durable as they can be.
IDK, Samsung seemed to figure that out a decade ago with the S5 Active; it had a headphone jack and removable battery. Had one as my work phone for a bit, I even took a video dunking it in the sink for some remote coworkers. Good fun. Solid phone.
Chat GPT makes up everything it says. It’s just good at guessing and bullshitting. These are excuses, not reasons. There used to be waterproof phones with headphone jacks. Phones have become bigger since the headphone jack disappeared as well. So space isn’t really the reason.
What does ChatGPT have to do with this...? This is what FP themselves say https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/9836188988049-Audio-Jack-3-5mm
I have a FP3 with a jack, for reference. It doesn't have an IP rating. FP4 has IP54, FP5/6 both have IP55. Also yes, phones have become bigger, but they have more stuff inside. More cameras, for example.
I mean, the jack is literally a hole in the chassis of the phone, while I cannot exclude the fact that someone managed to make a design with good IP rating, I can very easily see that it makes it much harder.
Yeah I have to agree, the financial cost is tiny. The physical packaging cost is high. If you see how dense modern devices are, and how much space modern cameras take, you can see what the cost of taking the equivalent space of a 3.5mm jack is. Ingress is an additional valid engineering problem.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind devices that are a few mm thicker and therefore have less packaging constraints for jacks, bigger batteries, etc.
Yeah latency isn't and likely cannot be music production grade.
How's the battery life? Also, what OS are you running on it? Any issues with any apps so far?
Preliminary battery life results. Using the stock OS. No issues with apps so far, apart from Lawnchair's back animation being a bit more broken with some apps than on my Pixel.
What country and service? Did you get e/OS preinstalled?
Will you marry me?
I'm afraid that ship has sailed a looong time ago for me. 😅
Your good. I just love making hyperbolic responses
Is this deGoogle?
How is the weight and size? Is it easy to carry and put in pocket or car?
Are they finally going to update software like other vendors or do you have to wait for years?
did you install an custom rom?
Not yet. For now I'm sticking to stock.
I want it toooooo
How deep are your wellies, now that you're wading knee deep in clunge? Is drowning in muff how you foresaw your life turning out?
More or less.
I don't think he has a pair, good christmas gift idea
edit: wellies I mean
I’d upvote this post twice if I could. Thank you for my new vocabulary word. Ever so useful.
In fact, this whole exchange has brightened my whole (admittedly dull) day.
Do you use google maps in the browser?
Can't wait to see a followup post for this! Cheers for doing this AMA! 🎉❤️❤️
Does it have a physical AI button or just voice commands?
I think holding the power button brought up something from Google before I disabled the Google app. That should work the same as any other Android device.
Why is this post FILLED with AI not comments? Are the corpo platforms so bitter about federated they want to just poison it?
I thought people were just trolling since OP said "Ask me anything", are they really bots? 🤔
Eh, 50% of the internet is fake anyways, not too surprising if this is the case.
Wait....am I fake?
For real, I think the question about "should I eat a whole chocolate cake" sort of opened the flood gates to people asking anything.
Meanwhile, OP said ask them anything - they answered like 3 questions. Answers were never promised, just the ability to ask anything.
That's trolling not ai
Ah. Ok. I guess that could be of some comfort. Like 0.00% oz of it.
What's your problem here?
I gave up waiting for fairphone releasing the newest phone for purchase in the USA so I went with a pixel because I saw a deal for it. I guess the USA market isn't as important to them.
Do you like the default launcher? Is there a way to clean up the screen? From youtube videos, I see that the launcher is similar to iOS where all your apps are laid out. I prefer the minimal approach: a few favorite apps, some widgets and an app draw
I don't know if I like what fairphone is doing, is not a lot ago the new fairphone 5 came out.. If they plan to support a phone for 10 years, what's the point in releasing another model...?
my reporting process generates about 170'000 csv files, totalling 4.5GB. it takes about 10min to write them; which 9min 58 secondes longer than I need to compute them. Any suggestions ?
Don't hit the filesystem at all if possible?
Use a more efficient format?
RAM disk?
P.S end up using CompletionPort & OVERLAPPED file io
much better
Assuming that this is happening not because the destination write media is simply too slow, but because the process is unnecessarily fsync()ing writes to disk mid-process, maybe try:
$ sudo apt install eatmydata
$ eatmydata <reporting-command> && sync
Are you gonna play the 'That's fair' game? Meaning the first bad thing to happen to the phone you say that's fair and leave it where it is forever just to buy a new phone to start over?