'Not medically well': Trump's health questioned after his face seen drooping at 9/11 event
9mon 9d ago by lemmy.world/u/Redditsux in politics from www.rawstory.com
Probably why he posted an AI eulogy for Kirk
I don't know if it's completely AI...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q1N6Akpz9c
It feels more like a really really advanced filter. Which explains why he keeps his body almost perfectly still, to the point he holds his hands together the whole time.
Those filters don't like movement, but I've literally never seen him be so still before.
Like, he filmed it, that's actually trump in the video, then they ran a deep fake filter with him with a "better" face/hands. But so it wouldn't stick out, they ran the same filter over everything else, which is why everything looks AI in the video despite no plausible reason.
It's sounds tinfoily until you remember this is trump we're talking about, he's done way worse
There’s oddness that’s also affecting the window in the background. You see it move around odd when he moves around odd.
He’s clearly covering his right hand.
Oh shit, you're right. It goes dark. If you speed up the video to 2x and turn off the sound, his mouth is moving way to uniformly to be a real person.
At 0:19 the trees behind him shift suddenly
Good catch.
Looks like some kind of ML version of a dissolve edit. There was also a shift in his position and no breath between sentences there. Like they cut out a big breath or interruption of some sort.
He’s way too still and uniform over the whole thing though. No 80 y/o can hold that still unless they’re napping in front of a TV. (And you usually end up checking for breathing when they do).
I'm on board with a heavy filter at the very least. I think he has the hand of a stroke victim and covering it. My theory is many, mini strokes.
I heard someone mention it could be Adobe Premiere or some shit like that.
It’s definitely doctored in some way.
Reminds me a lot of the lengths they went to hide the fact that FDR was in a wheelchair way back.
It might be another person and they glued trump's face on them with ai. Then tehy edited the best takes.
Did people forget that we've been editing videos for decades before "AI" existed?
*recorded. This isn't 1950, nobody uses film anymore.
A. You're wrong.
B. Even if you weren't wrong, you're making a needless distinction and being pedantic.
no one stores video on vinyl
RCA did. It wasn't great.
I miss my Selectivision.
What a weird hill to die on, a little bit cringe in fact
Just look at this video from today, obviously stroked
Damn, Moves the left hand then looks at the right not move. For a narcissist, trapped in your own body may just be the worst thing.
Since he will never face any consequences for his actions, this is a reasonable second.
I hope he is suffering every moment of every day.
Every day brings more good news.
Which one?
Yes, the real one would be like, Charlie, great guy. Dead. Sad. I remember one time he said mister president, I really look up to you—may I see your collection of master locks?
After seeing this, I am 100% on the "it was AI" train. They may have used him or even someone else as a sit in to overlay onto. Kinda like MOCAP.
I saw someone mention something about his hands but that was quickly debunked. Was there anything else that proved it to be faked?
How was it debunked?
You can clearly see his pinky finger melting into his palm and then his ring finger becoming his new pinky if you play the official video on YouTube at 0.25 speed.
https://lemmy.world/post/35748353/19324281
Im not saying the whole video is fake, but there's definitely something weird about the video
Likewise, look at the damn article this post is about.
Trump today does not look like the Trump in that video. Trump, today, looks like he's had a damn stroke.
The AI video doesn't even look like a Trump from this week, and even if its only AI in-part, thats still extraordinarily important and not OK, and any one dismissing this as a "debunked" is normalizing something thats actually a huge fucking deal (way fucking bigger than some shit bird getting shot in the neck).
Yeah, I don't know how people can't realize that Trump in that video, is NOT what Trump actually looks like, even with the best makeup. He's old and tired. When you see pictures of him dressed in casual golf attire at maralago he looks like an old fat woman who's melting
Forget autopen, Trump has moved on to autospeech.
If you speed up the video, his face is obviously fake.
When he came back after he disappeared he looked like he had a stroke. I think he's having many mini strokes making it harder for him to disguise after each one.
I know we just recently got into a bit of tussle elsewhere, but I think I mostly agree with you here.
The uh, the 'morph-cut', when his hands shift and kinda melt?
Look above his head when that happens.
The lighting and shadow on the trees in the background changes.
Its all one way before that happens, and its all another way after that happens.
... I think he literally stroked out, while they were filming this, thats why the morph cut is there, and if some body wanted to try to model the scene, the oval office, geopositioned right, with the sun, they could probably estimate how long it was between these two shots they merged together... or timeskipped between.
I don't think his face is completely fake, I think it may have some kind of... correction applied to it, to try to minimize the droopiness of ... what you can see in his face today, from the 9/11 memorial.
Sorta like how and instagram filter morphs your face... and a frame stabilization effect tries to keep objects centered and just boink the frame itself around...
Something like a face stabilization effect, if that makes any sense.
I agree with all of that. I meant his mouth specifically when I said his face.We live in wild times.
Ah, yeah, just the mouth, that makes more sense.
Ever see Equilibrium?
The uh, dear leader... just straight up is a digital construction, got a fake voice and all that too?
... Too bad gun kata would never work at all in real life...
I have seen some video editors say that it's shot morphing, a technique to seamless switch from one shot to another or to cut out filler words. I don't think it's good to edit shots like this where veracity is important but it's probably real.
Maybe. If that's true, I still say it should be called out and it shouldn't be accepted as a practice.
but there's definitely something weird about the video
Sure. Recorded at 24fps and interpolated to 60fps. Lots of weird shit can happen with motion interpolation.
His body barely moves at all until it randomly spasms into motion every like 30 seconds. That's not how people, especially Mr talks with his hands, communicates.
He's dead and they turned his corpse into an animatronic puppet, but they did it poorly, like everything they do.
I've played a bit with frame interpretation using open source models. With those models, fast movement did seem to trigger some weird artifacts and glitches that were visible at lower speeds or paused.
I guess it's possible that a propietary model is using some other image generation techniques to make those artifacts less noticeable. I think that would still constitute something that should be called out.
If the issue is with interpretation, then we shouldn't see this visual glitch in the original footage.
YouTube has been doing “AI” stuff to shorts lately. It’s caused a lot of upset among the artists posting stuff as it’s changing their artwork.
That said, I’ve not seen the video in question so don’t take my comment as anything about that.
It's morphing to hide a cut, it's used quite often nowadays. Probably Trump fucked up a read and couldn't be assed to do it again. Infer from that what you will.
I was weirded out by the disappearing finger as well. There was a recent article in The Atlantic that mentioned Google had been testing AI to improve video clarity. It's possible we are seeing a combination of that and motion interpolation artifacts like what was mentioned here. I used yt-dlp commands to download both the CNN video and the video from the white house channel. They both look less weird on a larger screen. That process was called out here.
It definitely wasn't debunked. A justification for how it might have happened was presented but that is in no way a "debunking".
That damn autopen AI.
We all want him gone, I'm just always gonna be sore we won't ever see him destitute and imprisoned. We shouldn't have had to rely on the inevitable to rid us of this human parasite.
Maybe he'll suffer for a few months unable to get out of bed while getting to scroll through posts of death-wishes and people celebrating?
Would be nicer if he was handcuffed to said bed for the duration though-- for being found guilty of raping children since he is a child rapist who raped kids.
Honestly, that would be worse for us, as they’d continue to invoke his name and say “this is what he wants done” and autopen the shit out of things with us having no recourse to prove otherwise.
At least if he’s confirmed dead, they can still invoke his name, but it’ll be blunted and it will hopefully put a serious crack, if not break, the cult of personality hold on a lot of MAGAts
Death is the great equalizer
Honestly I don’t even care about justice anymore I just want the bleeding to stop so we can start healing
Well, there's always his family, ya?
Understandable but gotta be pragmatic and take the wins we get.
Considering how much he likes golf, does this mean he’s taken some strokes off his game?
He will lie about not having a stroke like he lies about his golf strokes.
I do not know but he still managed a full throated response to the kirk incident.
I’m honestly more than a little suspicious that some staffer just made a deepfake
Ma boy doesn’t look good at all. Time to prepare some champagne, just in case.
I wanna see the fucker go down like a sack of potatos mid self-aggrandizing rant and the bonk of his head off the podium to be sampled into a thousand ebm tracks
I miss '80s and '90s industrial music filled with sampled speeches too.
Skinny Puppy coming out of retirement for one track makes my wee wee tickle
Heh. I just miss the general sense of fun that type of music had. I mean it's no big deal these days but having sampled audio from movies, etc in songs was wild to me.
Fingers crossed, hitting your head super hard when falling is also a pretty good way to die. People hit their heads on nightstands falling out of beds and die all the time.
dude i have a Benjamin down on an Elvis. Doesn't have to be eating, but we're talking massive blowout on camera
This has been my biggest wish
Sorry to upset people thinking of him dieing soon, but they're going to sit him in a gold throne, kept barely alive, in suspended animation, then keep him alive and in charge for 40,000 years.
They'll use AI every time they want him to "say something".
That's it, I'm jumping in the nearest warp storm.
I'm gonna join the first Genestealer cult that gets to me first.
I think I'd personally join up with Khorne. I'm not much for violence or rage, but I feel like he offers a pretty straightforward deal compared to the other gods. No shenanigans, no chance of becoming a spawn as long as I do what I'm supposed to, and although he's not gonna protect me he also isn't gonna backstab me.
Maybe I can forge weapons or something while blasting Amon Amarth? I feel like that's Khorne enough.
Ah yes, the "aint much, but its honest work" khorne disciples.
Blood for the blood god, i guess. Skulls for the skull throne, if i have to.
So does that mean they need to sacrifice 1000 teenage girls a day to keep it powered?
Basically, yes. It's all explained in the Epstein Files.
Heck, we need Karl Franz, not the emperor of mankind.
With our luck we'll end up with a Goge Vandire. Trump's death will cause a power vacuum and it will get worse.
SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS
The nation calls.
Can something die if it was never truly alive?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YCTgcZ6ImsQ
They are going to "Weekend at Bernie's" his bloated ass...ha!
I hope him a slow and ludicrously insane painful death with much suffering.
There's already suffering because of this asshole. I'm ok with him being gone.
Absolutely not. It'll be much better for all concerned if he mentally deteriorates while he's still physically well, so that he's acting like a lost grandpa at press conferences, visibly shitting himself, forgetting what's going on in interviews and not even being able to cover it as well as he currently does his forgetting-what's-going-on-and-covering-it, all that stuff.
Let it play out to do as much undoing as possible to the cult of "Trump can do no wrong" because they're trying to double down to their friends and family about how he definitely didn't just spend five minutes yelling about "the Japs" and drooling when he was talking to reporters or something. That would be my wish, at least.
He was already doing that stuff during the election.
Id rather it be immediate and public. Just keels the fuck over on live TV out of nowhere so we can move on quickly.
Wouldn’t have minded if Crooks was a better shot
Not too slow plz, like they'll 100 fucking percent have him running shit from a hospital bed
yeah cool... where are the Epstein files?
Can’t wait to see trump wearing sunglasses and going everywhere with Hegseth and RFK Jr. propping him up as they walk around and pretend to have him whisper things in their ear that they relay to us.
They’ll probably just be boring and use AI, but I’m still hoping for a Weekend at Bernie’s.
Weekend at Donny's
So what happens to project 2025 when the mouth piece responsible for Trump's Gen Z support dies, Trump dies, and VP Couch Fucker becomes president?
I don't see a lot of people putting up with the Heritage Foundation's bullshit if the snake is rattleless and headless.
The question is whether the democrats will actually meaningfully act to undo any of project 2025. The way they act now it seems like it's coin flip on whether or not they'll continue it themselves.
I mean, they're going to want to win over those same voters once Trump is gone so they don't really have much reason to not have hard shift to the right.
Dems crave the approval of the right and have spite for the left, embarrassed at any support they get from the left.
Without new dems we will not find out newsom will lose or have it taken from him and after 2028 it will be fixed up tight(er.)
We can only hope
Trump won't live much longer. He is on serious life support.
A line of coke and a big ol hit of the meth pipe should give him the pick me up he needs
Ohh no. He doesn’t do that. Anymore. Very much.
Well, I wish him the worst, and hope for the slowest, most agonizing recovery for him.
What a vile sentiment. This is a human person that is a felon and a rapist and actively brings harm to marginalized people, and you wish him a recovery?!
My post was clearly a reference to wishing people well and a speedy recovery, but now that I saw the other response to my post I do want Trump to survive for the rest of the year, giving Vance less potential time at the helm
True wisdom.
Vance was specifically selected because he poses no threat to the leader of the personality cult.
Trump has been able to quash dissent well enough to keep MAGA in his orbit. Vance doesn't have the chops to hold it together.
If America has a civil war, I want Trump to be in command of the Neo Confederates. That would save many ReUnion lives, since the enemy would be utterly incompetent and would encourage backstabbing among his minions.
Keep everyone confused. I guess by now they are scrambling and can’t properly recall how to “sandbag”. So, ummm, never thought I’d say it but fuck, Viva La Trump. (Oh that turns my tummy inside out) Strange times do call for ridiculous measures. C’est la Vie.
A painful agonizing one that will lead to a false hope of recovery. Commenter was playing the “long game” when it came to well wishes.
Who said anything about recovery?!
Well, if he recovers and makes it over the 2 years before JD Vance replaces him, then the 2 years won't count towards limiting Vance's two terms. However, if he kicks it like a year into it and Vance serves 3 years, then he couldn't run for a third go since the 3 years would count as 1 full term.
Is it fleshed out like that?
I do not think it will matter, Vance will not keep the supreme leader spot, he will be rejected for somebody with more Charisma in 2028.
ooo governor kinky boots has a chance again?
Honestly, if Vance assumes control and your democrats aren't screaming all day and all night about this unelected and illegitimate president for as long as it takes to get an election, then they really haven't learned anything about the way the game has been played for the last couple decades.
I agree with your sentiment, but just to be clear in US presidential succession the vice president (Vance) is next in line. So while I think he's a piece of shit and wholly incompetent, he is actually legitimately president if Mango Mussolini croaks.
Oh I am well aware, but recall that according to the rules, Obama should have had his supreme court pick. Doesn't matter if the rules say he would be president if everyone including Vance himself feels he is illegitimate because that's all they ever hear. Might even provoke him into an election after a year of badgering him at ever possible opportunity. Hearts and Minds is a game, and right now only one side is playing.
Eww no imagine the poor people who have to take care of him and wash his absurd american body. Just put him down. He's not going to jail
I hope your wishes come true.
Witches, unite
Witches, untie
Fuck yeah, you know what’s up
I'm not a witch, but I wanna be part of the club. What do I gotta do to join
Double post for you cos I just remembered, if you really do want to get into it, start with the tarot and understanding that. It is basically the key to it all. Once you understand the symbolism in it and why then it all becomes a lot more clear. It’s essentially a story that you learn that is sort of a “quest” so to speak that you go on. It’s weird at first but it all comes together. The occult is basically Zen Buddhism but with western symbolism so that it resonates better
Honestly, it’s basically just a lot of meditation
He had a stroke. COVID infected in at his age have double the chances of stroke later on.
He can talk to Charlie about how karma is a bitch.
Karma would have been him rotting in a prison cell for the last 40 or so years
He might cop a locked in
My deepest wish for him.
He will be a steaming pile of shit in his next life.
Ain't broke, so don't fix, amirite?
I haven't given up hope.
Uh huh. Remote diagnosis through grainy video. Bell's palsy is far more likely.
It shits me that the orange plague is going to die in comfort, surrounded by expensive doctors easing his symptoms. The pedophile cunt deserves ALL the suffering in the world, after the harm he has caused to humanity !
He's vain. If he really did have a stroke, and can comprehend the fact that people are making fun of his droopy crooked smirk; that is worse than prison for him.
Right. He always made fun of the disabled. Didn’t want to be seen with them. Must be hell for him.
There's still hope that he'll become a locked in vegetable
Definitely looks like a stroke. Just like the posters in hospitals where they tell you to immediately notify staff if you see a face like that.
Famous people always die three at a time. It's a rule....of three. Let's go #2!
And if this is from a stroke, $100 says that's where he was that weekend he "died".
Lots of people, the best people in fact, are saying it was another mini stroke.
The best mini stroke they've ever seen.
I might have to agree.
False hope sucks, don't tell us until something more substantial happens
Yeah, people have been saying this kind of thing for almost 10 years now. It's wishful thinking.
10 years? I only started to hear about it from around 2021. He was significantly less energetic at the time compared to his first term.
Right before i got banned from reddit, people starting posting articles that said "Trump, 79, build a new concrete garden..."
Stop playing with my emotions like that!!! Those titles aren't cool.
Well if it makes you feel any better, things will get worse after his replacement is able to more effectively implement the party's agenda.
He's been not stroking out for years, why start now?
Please just fucking stroke out.
That Charlie Kirk announcement video looked so Ai, dude is gonna drop dead any day
It's not ai, stop spreading weird conspiracy theories. It's super obvious the video was recorded live three months ago when this op was greenlit.
Come on guys, it's a bit mean to suggest he's had a stroke.
He could have simply shat his pants due to dementia, as is perfectly normal and healthy for the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world to do.
That's not a droop. That's just Trump making a "I went doodie" face.
Cause he probably did.
No, this is different. He doesnt even know where he is during the 9-11 event.
It definitely looks like he's mentally drifting. Very, very old man vibes.
Can't it be both?
I know, right? Like how the fuck did he make it this long?
Man, I saw that photo and for a brief moment I felt bad for him, but then I remembered he's a piece of shit, and deserves every health problem he gets and then some.
Sooner he goes back to hell the faster we can fix his screwups
Won't JD Vance step in when Trump dies?
Sure he will. Stupid liar that he is will make him less popular too though
At this point are we sure this isn't an animitronic wearing Trump's skin suit?
Is that better?
The little blood clot that could!
Take my energy little clot
South Park should do an episode with the child rapists dick also drooping on one side.
Y’all been questioning his health for fucking ten years now.
he just keeps getting younger and more mentally stable 🤓 aneurisms are a sign of genius
He's gotta die eventually
God fucking willing
Back then, it was questions about early indicators of dementia. Wow, how wrong we were! /s
Seriously with someone as batshit as him, speaking like a raving lunatic at all times, how could you tell he has dementia? It's like trying to diagnose a palm injury on a guy with no arms.
He's Thiel's blood boy. So 100%.
The guy with the charisma bypass? Guaranteed he'll try.
But here's my hope
Trump is the glue that holds MAGA together, if Trump dies we will have in fighting and hopefully MAGA falls apart. Therefore the sooner Trump dies, the better.
And dear FBI/Secret Service I mean by natural causes, like a stroke, or a heart attack
Excuse me. You mean the charlie kirk memorial event. Fuck those losers in the planes or the towers or the pentagon or all the first responders who died on that day or who survived and still have difficulty getting their long term medical issues treated. I mean, we were going to ignore all the people whose lives we ruined with the resulting wars regardless. But whatever, this is AMERICA. We only care about nazis who take advantage of children!
But yeah. Fuckface has been in very poor health for a while. Just a question of how long he hangs on. Already way too long.
They say "bad news comes in threes."
So I'm sure it won't happen this week.
Hmm. How poetic would it be if he had Bells Palsy. Go look up the name of the virus that causes that.
There are a lot of things that can cause bells palsey, viruses are one, not sure which but would guess hpv, herpes, but can be bacterial and in many cases they cannot find the cause.
What virus are you referring ro?
Epstein-Barr, but it's just as likely chicken pox
Bell's Palsy maybe? I don't think stroke victims are able to pretend they are well while it is in progress.
I believe you right side can stay paralyzed after a stroke. Doesn't have to be in progress.
Yeah my knowledge of strokes is quite limited. I only figured out there were different types, i.e. blood vessels in brain bursting vs blockage in heart stopping blood to brain. There are probably more.
That was my thought too. It happened to my mom once. Half of the face sort of sags
That was my first thought too. Bells Pasy just makes your face droop. You're not cognitively impaired in any way from it. My step dad had that back about 10 years ago maybe? Only thing that makes me think it might be more is his face is far droopier than my stepdads ever was.
I feel like Bells Palsy is a sort of paralysis from the virus/bacteria (i forget which one it is that causes it). And this seemed more extreme. But who knows, cant diagnose someone from a picture.
Edit: Cause unknown for Bells Pasy. You learn something new every day. I thought it was caused by a virus or bacterial infection, thats what I was told as a kid.
It can be caused by lyme disease but not necessarily.
Bell's palsy? Botox side effect? Too much numbing for dental work? So many possibilities when you trust pseudoscience and "doctors".
He’s only sad about Charlie on his left side.
he'll be the oldest president in history upon leaving office.
That assumes he makes it 3 years. I'm not so sure that his health will hold out that long.
Wow he's stroking out now huh
Trump in the year 2325 after his 75th term in office.
They're gonna call out the Soviet embalming team and give him that Kim Jong Il treatment
His mental health is long gone. His body is trying to keep up.
I'd rather him get shot in the neck
It’d just get stuck in his goiter/neckvagina, unfortunately.
Maybe the universe will bless us with a good solid fall/hip fracture.
Die soon?
Pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
I don't ever want Trump to be assassinated, I want to watch his slow decline to madness in real time.
We already seeing the slow decline to madness since last decade. The problem is that we should watch it from a camera in his jail, not in the most powerful sear in the world
Seems kinda messed up. Assassination / public execution at least help give others in similar position a reminder that they should not cross some lines.
Watching a person fall apart on their own crushes their followers' motivation
Hard to plot revenge against diseases while also withholding medical care and funding.
The people you are talking about want to do the things regardless and will make up excuses no matter what, even if they're total lies. A long-time bully is far more likely to retaliate against futile resistance... not resistance that makes them fear for their well-being.
Musk makes a very similar duck face when he's not happy.
Ah, Denzel kept making that same face in that new Spike Lee movie. I'm gonna need more than that.
Tbf that’s the same face my dad makes when he’s falling asleep on the couch
Wishing him the worst 🙏
no no, this is not Trump having a stroke. don't get fooled! Trump is dead, this is just the robot they replaced him with having a little malfunction. wake up, sheeple! /s
"that za got me over here like.."
Putin and this one will outlive us all.
Half /s
God really seems to reward pieces of shit with long lives........
Half his face was simply mourning Chuckles. That's all.
What are the chances that two of our last presidents suffered from serious mental degradation and other health issues? There must be a connection. Dangerous mold in the oval office maybe?
More like dangerous old
Yeah, age
I have two weeks vacation still. Can't wait to do a road trip and piss on this fuckers grave.
I don’t like him either.
But I do worry about what things would be like if he did die.
Vance is younger and more energetic. Something tells me it wouldn’t be good.
Called it: https://lemmy.curiana.net/post/158090/285055
If Trump and Kirk die in the same week America will burn to the ground
Yeah, that party is going to be lit!
I'm worried :(
That we run out of champagne? Nah we got plenty!
Thanks, Miss Cleo.