YSK about 15 bean soup.
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It has 15 different types of beans in it and it can be bought pre packaged. 15 different beans!
I'm unemployed and involuntarily vegan for health reasons. Dried mixed beans, brown rice, and frozen vegetables are keeping me alive.
He barely has to wipe.
Watch out for low-flying brown missiles!
He's had the same roll of one-ply all summer
Doesn't the body get used to eating that many beans? Like, Mexicans eat them all the time. Also I eat them as often as I can and I don't think they really affect me that much.
Yes. You basically have to keep eating that way and your gut flora adjust to compensate. It's still a pretty windy diet since you rely on those gut-bugs to break down a lot of the sugars in beans.
this. But also soak and discard the soaking water. And use kombu. There's ways to get rid of the anti nutrients that cause gas before you cook it
I soak all my own beans and I don't have the issue. As someone else said, it may have to do with our individual gut flora or something.
I heard, from John Ralston Saul of all people, that the trick is to change the water.
I've heard the same thing. I always drain and rinse my beans well, and I never have any complaints of gassiness.
Your body gets used to it. That's not a problem.
TONIIIIIIIIIGHT I'LL FLYYYY
Wait until you hear about fruit!
I'm a scientist. Beans are a fruit, of the musical variety.
I found a study that disagrees. However the sample size is pretty small
(Beans are technically seeds, the pod/shell they grow in is the fruit. -botany)
What happens when you eat them more? As a scientist, that is.
They make you toot.
[citation needed]
Moreover, we've found significant correlations between the quantity of consumed legumes with the frequency and duration of flatus events. This relationship may be exponential. Further studies are needed to understand the upper bounds.
The "unemployed" part of his comment suggests he has a low food budget, in which case fruit is a terrible choice. Beans have way more calories per dollar
It is harvest time for fruit trees in many areas. My area has apple trees and a lot have fallen due to a drought. I can look on the ground within a 100yd radius of my place and probably rustle up a pie's worth of decent fruits. Further south the paw paws are coming in. And later in the season, walnuts and hickory nuts will come in. I know not everyone is so lucky to live in a forageable area, but you also might be surprised what's around.
fallingfruit.org is a fantastic resource if you're looking for sources of free food. They have mobile apps as well.
You are correct. I'm wretched.
I miss fruit.
Dollar store spices will help you thrive.
Solid advice, I highly endorse it.
Careful though, they recently recalled dollar store cinnamon because it had lead in it
Dirt is really expensive if you're unemployed. Some herbs and veg are quite happily grown kratky style, but that also comes with its own challenges
Be careful with cheap spices. If it's from a trusted brand, sure, go for it. Whole spices tend to be more trustworthy than powders (and sometimes cheaper). But there have been some instances of heavy metal contamination of cheap powdered spices. Especially the imported powders you'll see a lot in international grocery stores. Even if it is safe, you don't know how long it's been sitting in the store or waiting in a far away warehouse.
If you see super-cheap cinnamon, it's usually Cassia cinnamon, which contains high levels of coumarin, a blood thinner. "Real" cinnamon is Ceylon. It's more expensive, but has much lower levels of coumarin, and most prefer its more delicate flavor. Afaik labels aren't required to disclose what kind of cinnamon you're buying, but the more reputable brands sell the Ceylon variety and label it as such. You can also get whole cinnamon, and the two varieties are easy to tell apart.
I like getting spices from stores with a bulk spices section. e.g., if you need a tbsp of cinnamon, or a single star anise, a very specific amount of something you'll only use once, etc.. you put only what you need in a little container and purchase it by weight. It will be super cheap compared to a whole prepackaged container and you'll always have a fresh product with no waste. You can even bring/reuse your own containers! A lot of local food co-ops have a bulk area with spices. "Frontier Co-op" is a popular vendor for bulk sets, and their stuff is vetted and super high quality. Best of both worlds IMO.
The first week of vegan is brutal. But it gets better.
I've been like this for months. I'm miserable. I'm a vegetarian because I hate animals. I have high blood pressure so I cut out animal fat and booze.
I’m a vegetarian because I hate animals
If you hate animals, I don't think you're doing this right.
Nope I know what I'm doing. Animals are made of blood and guts which I find gross. They're also annoying. I don't want them to be a part of me.
Animals are made of blood and guts which I find gross. They're also annoying.
Wait until you hear about the most annoying animal of all, humans!! Nobody's supposed to eat those!
Don't let the establishment tell you what to not eat. Follow your wanderlust.
Wanderlust refers to travel. Which I would love to do again if I had money.
You're not wrong.
Cook mushrooms in rice or beans. Add wallnuts. Supposedly walnut and no other but has shown to help lower blood pressure.
Interesting. I'm vegetarian because I love animals
not really. Especially if you have access to vegan chick'n nuggies and corn dogs and junk.
The moment you stop eating meat you'll notice just how hard society wants you to chew on dead animals. Your friends, your family, the TV commercials, the radio. They never talk about a juicy mushroom taco. It just Burger this and pork that everywhere you go. That's what I mean by brutal. And its always an inconvenience for the cook to not add dead animal or smear your food with animal milk products.
I was on a work crew once when I was vegan. We cut trees and all rode to the locations in the same work van. One day we stopped for Ice Cream at a really popular place before calling it the day. Yay on the clock shenanigans, boo, it's ice cream. They asked if I was cool with it, and of course I said I didnt mind, and just waited in the van.
I almost cried when my supervisor brought me out a slushy. I didn't know they had them. It was very kind of my supervisor. No one ever made fun of me, but it was definitely obvious to everyone in day to day talk/life I had the dietary restriction.
It was also very surprising to me, how many chips use milk powder. I had a few kettle cooked salt and vinegar chips before reading the bag, and was shocked ... Why? The pain.
They don't just put it in there for fun, you can bet that milk powder affects the eating experience in a way most people enjoy. Snack companies invest a ton of money refining every nuance of their recipes.
Very nice supervisor though, the everyday compassion makes big impact.
Milk was the hardest to give up but also the cruelest of products because to get milk you have to starve baby calfs. But oat milk and soy milk seem great. Soy if you want big boobs. Costco has several brands of both.
I watched Earthlings while I was nursing my newborn. Thats all it took.
Regular milk was easy to give up, I like coconut milk better anyway, cheese was much harder to be honest. Still milk, but cheese was rough. Hummus was the only thing that could satiate the creving.
I'm pretty certain soy won't give you "big boobs" unless you had a quantum fuckton of it, so much so, it's impossible for a human to consume naturally.
I gotta find that documentary.
Are you a plant?
No, plants do not like to be irrigated with any kind of milk. Plus I wouldn't suggest to eat plants if I was a plant.... I know, its what a vegan plant would say if asked if it was a vegan plant...
I was a vegan in the US and now I'm a vegetarian in Japan. Trust me, I know lol.
Smear? What milk products are you thinking of? What came to my mind was cheese (which you could call metan tofu, I suppose...), but I would usually expect cheese to be sprinkled, not smeared.
Oh, yeah, that does make sense. I'm not sure why my brain went up the garden path on that one.
Even when I'm not a practicing vegan, I dislike cream cheese and sour cream. I cant order many things just because if you ask them to leave it off, you might not only get a look for it, but they may just put it on there anyway.
I threw a crunch wrap (black bean with cheese and jalapeno) out the window about ten years ago. Not my finest moment, but fuck sour cream, I was starving and it just ruined everything. Aye.
LOL, practicing. My boss calls me vegan flex because I'll eat stuff without looking at the contents.
But you know, veganism is just a self control thing. Like capital punishment. We don't allow it but every now and then someone in Texas just has to go do their thing on the electric seating arrangement. There's little we can do sometimes. Veganism is a self control decision not to eat products or allow the torture and murdering of animals. So I can stop tomorrow if I decided to do that. It's not a better than thou thing. Its not a religion or a club. We don't high five each other. Its just an understanding that if you eat that burger, a happy cow with life a dreams will be murdered to replace it....and the burger contains the dismembered parts of a cow after it was murdered and tortured. So its a decision.
I really didn't mean to compare it to religion lol
I love mushroom derived flavors, but eating actual mushrooms, it’s always about texture never the taste
I prefer 239 bean soup. Yes, it must be exactly 239 beans, not even one bean more.
If 239 bean soup had even just one more bean, it would be too farty bean soup.
Incorrect, you can always have more beans
Source: I love beans
I hear they call you "Beano."
Asking the real questions
With an average-sized spoon, every spoonful could be a different type of 6 bean soup—it’s like getting five thousand soups in one!
15 choose 6 == 15 * 14 * 13 * 12 * 11 * 10 /(6 * 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1) == 5005
Wow, I did the math thinking, no, hoping you were wrong, but 5k is right on the money. You must have done the math. Good show sir
Why assume there are 6 beans in a spoonful? Maybe 15 choose 8 is a more common scoop... Assume no partial beans in spoonfuls. Also assume each bean type is as likely to be "scooped". Finally, assume an infinitely large bowl of soup.
There's way more than fifteen beans in there. I'd say there's at least like 200.
It’s just 50 servings of the 15 bean soup!
I fucking love these.
I just throw the seasoning packet away, never used it at all. Just use the bean mix itself, it's really good, HOWEVER be aware that some of the "beans" are actually lentils, and they break down into a mush faster than others.
If you cook the beans a long time in your soup as I do then it gets REALLY bad looking. We call it "ugly soup" because it's ugly AF but DELICIOUS.
Edit: I've NEVER found a rock in these also, not once in the dozens of bags, maybe hundreds, I've used.
I found a rock in a bag of beans twice in my life. My mother found one when I was a child and made sure I saw why we look through them first.
Then as an adult. Once. I got to go AHA and grab it.
I've seen blood in chicken eggs much more commonly!
Maybe the screen process wasn't as good when mother had to look. Small rocks are just going to be something that gets picked up occasionally if they're being machine harvested.
I think it was more of an issue when I was younger for sure, but I still find them occasionally. I eat a ton of beans though.
Why would you find a rock in beans? Has someone even mentioned rocks?
Your day may come. Be vigilant! Best to find them on the counter than in your mouth. Some brands, or bean types, have a lot more than others. Black and red beans have had the most for me, in that order. It sucks because it's harder to spot the rocks in the black beans, too.
I've never found a rock in any black or red beans but i also only by in bulk so maybe there's less chance in there?
Probably less, yeah. Do you get them from the hopper style that drops from the bottom, or bins you scoop from?
If hopper I'd expect you to catch some sometimes because they settle down to the bottom, but if you scoop them from the top of bins I think it's pretty unlikely you'd ever find any.
Lots of bags of dry beans have rocks. Little black pebbles usually, like coarse sand.
Some brands have them more often than others but you can easily break a tooth on them so I always toss them on the counter and scoot them around to check.
I've found lots of rocks in bags of beans over the years, could be a regional or economic thing too (just as a point of reference, I grew up really poor in the South). As a kid I remember pouring them out on a backing sheet to sort them, little did I realize I'd end up doing something similar as a teen with an AOL CD tin.
Yeah I find them more often in brands from foreign foods sections. Often times they're better quality beans for a lot cheaper though!
I'll take the couple minutes to scan for rocks if it means I'm getting better beans any day of the week. Fucking love beans, haven't ever met one I don't like.
Looking for Rock records amidst a trial pile?
"15 bean soup is great but you gotta check the packet for rocks" is the most American thing I've read today.
Most agricultural products go through screening to remove unwanted materials, but these systems can miss items that closely resemble the food in size and appearance. For example, I once bit into a rock that looked exactly like an almond in a bag of almonds. While it's a rare occurrence, it's still important to stay cautious. If something like this happens, contact the company and provide the product’s serial or lot number. This helps them trace where and when it was packaged and check if there was a problem with the screening process.
That parallels my experience. Great bean mix, haven't found a stone yet. The seasoning pack included sounds gross to me so I bin it. This mix is magic in an instant pot with your own mix of spices and whatever liquid base you like. Takes just over an hour to go from prepping to eating.
Care to share what you do for seasoning instead? Every time I've tried (not many) it comes out disappointing.
Sure!
TLDR: mirepoix, garlic, ground mustard, ground thyme, basil, salt, pepper, bacon
I cut a pack of decent quality bacon into strips and start it a sizzlin
Then, dice equal parts carrot, onion, and celery (mirepoix) while the bacon is cooking
I crank the heat and sautee the mirepoix in the pan with the bacon, then I add the beans with the soak water and some salt (don't go crazy, the bacon has salt too, and I add cheese at serving also)
Bring to boil and then reduce to simmer until the beans are mostly cooked, stirring and adding water as needed.
When things are cooked pretty well throw in a diced tomato (or a can), a bulb of crushed garlic, ground mustard, dried basil, and ground thyme. Let it cook a bit until the flavors develop, then adjust seasoning, salt, pepper etc. Sorry I don't have measurements, I eyeball everything. I cook the soup a long time so by the end it will stick if you don't stir fairly frequently because the lentils and some beans have dissolved. I like the soup thicc so that also contributes to it sticking.
The thyme and basil are the stars here, the thyme especially.
I usually eat it with some rice and some grated Monterey Jack cheese on top.
I use jasmine rice and put a small amount of olive oil in the pan, then crush a garlic clove per cup of rice I'm cooking and sautee gently (don't burn it!) as soon as the garlic has cooked a bit I add a cup of dry rice to the pan and stir it around real good, add the water, and salt it. Rice should not be bland, motherfuckers!
I once forgot about it in a crock pot using the fast cook method and basically boiled the whole thing into mush. It made for a delicious bean dip.
Nice! Maybe I'll try that. What else did you have in the pot?
I honestly have no recollection. It was about 10 years ago. I probably just used like half the seasoning packet with salt and pepper. (Because that seems like something I’d do.)
I throw away the seasoning packet as well. I use a couple smoked ham hocks as my seasoning.
So, so tasty.
I do as well in addition to the seasoning packet. I've grown to really like the seasonig with it. The smoked ham takes it to another level entirely, though.
Lies, I count way more than 15 beans!
In Soviet Russia, only 15.
No no, in Soviet Russia, beans count you.
Who counts the bean counters?
Soviet Russia
Give me a semi–plausible reason why these beans need to be unmixed into 15 separate piles and I will give it all of my focus.
i guess to cook each of the beans just the perfect amount of time
They must be color-coded.
Oh, sure, it's fine with Skittles, but do that with people and they get all mad about it.
Probably for statistical curiosity about ratios of different types of beans in the packet. Maybe you're being shafted on expensive beans?
Gotta make an even mix!
yeah i have to unmix my skittles its annoying
... Herr Wehrli ?
False advertising. There are way more than 15 beans in that bag!
And it's not even soup!
There is no way these beans all have the same cooking time
Just cook them longer. You can't over-cook beans.
Not universally true but in the context of soup yeah fair point
You can over cook beans.
Soak overnight. Pressure cooker. 30 minutes on high heat. Natural release.
Safe from phytohaemagglutinin poisoning.
I dunno what dark magic spell that poison is but I'm going to assume it hurts.
It's a mix of earth and blood magic. Life is wild.
They don't. As I said in another post, the lentils break down first so it gets ugly but it's nice and thick.
I've never pressure cooked them, just soak overnight but that might be a way to cook them without stirring too much, and keep the lentils formed correctly.
I dunno, the way I do it is a favorite so I'm not experimenting any more.
Doesn't matter, the soup turns out great regardless. I've made soup from this exact same 15 bean soup mix a bunch of times and it's always great
This and a $.99 thing of chorizo and some rice and we have dinner for a week.
Or a ham hock. Or both.
Why ruin something good?
It's not like I put pineapple on it.
"Can you explain what the fediverse is for me again?"
B E A N S
They're good for your health,
They're good for your heart.
The more you eat,
The more you fart!
Beaniverse
Op must not learn of the secret 16th bean.
Do not speak of this evil. It's too powerful.
For those times when you look at a stream bed and get hungry
I sure do love me some aquarium gravel!
Not strictly on topic, but you should post this on Lemmy Shitpost. They really like beans.
Not sure if you’re joking or not. My bean post was deleted by a mod for “Not this shit again”.
I feel like that mod is not properly calibrated to mod a shitppost community
I was being sincere. I didn't realize there'd been a coup that overturned the old bean conventions.
Honestly, I'm with the mod on this one.
That and jeans
I think a good shitpost should get a decent number of downvotes. I don’t take any issue with that. But removing a post that doesn’t break any rules just because you dont like it…especially in a shitposting community feels like a step too far.
Just like killing an asshole, I don't think it's right, I just understand why it was done (and low-key agree tbh)
Basically
- Is it wrong? Yes
- So I understand why? Yes
- Would I do that in their shoes? Maybe
- Does that make me a hypocrite? Probably, I do lots of wrong things
yes, that is limited to the shitpost board
YES! Make it with vegetable stock (and the vegan "ham" flavoring included) and it's especially tasty.
I gotta make this again soon
Oh hey Hurst! They package these in my city. Back in college I used to make a pot of these and a huge batch of cornbread regularly all winter. Good memories.
15?! Ridiculous! We need to breed one universal bean that covers everyone's use cases.
Result: there are 16 beans.
why should i know? i like some beans but not all beans
NO QUESTION, ONLY KNOW.
but...
It's delicious, prepared with or without the recommended canned tomatoes.
For those complaining about gas, properly soaked and a potato added (not eaten) helps a lot. Cooking to mush or a bit of soda works but messes with the flavor.
Do you eat beans regularly?
I’ve tried every remedy I’ve heard of to fix beans and none of them have worked. I’ve become convinced that people who eat beans regularly have different gut flora which properly digest the oligosaccharides without producing gas, but I can’t prove it.
Semi regularly, I guess. I think you're probably right.
I eat beans basically as my main diet and don't really soak or rinse them or anything, have no digestive issues from it.
When I boil my beans, I add bay leaf to the water. I think it helps.
But I made a white bean, cabbage, bacon, chop tomato soup for dinner last night, no gas. My husband didn't have gas..
I didn't do the bay leaf thing this time, so idk. I think beans just have hella fiber, and idk if your from the US or not, but I've read a few times over the years, many people here don't get enough fiber day to day in the states.
I think the gas has more to do with folks who don't often eat high fiber foods. When you then, do, it gives you issues.
You're probably at least somewhat right, if you have beans often, they digest more easily. I had guessed it was because they have high fiber though. It also could have to do with eating under cooked beans, which is never a good idea.
I eat lots of other high fibre foods: oatmeal, wheat bran, whole grain breads and pastas, salads. No issues.
Oligosaccharides are something different. They’re in between simple sugar and fibre. Medium chain sugars basically. They need to be broken apart to be absorbed and used by the body. But we don’t produce the enzyme needed to cleave them.
Bacteria can break them down but they live in the colon (like most other digestive bacteria). This breakdown in the colon essentially results in a bunch of simple sugars being introduced into a bacteria-rich environment. More bacteria grow and feast on the sugars, producing gases such as methane.
Have you tried Beano, or a similar pill with alpha-galactosidase as the active ingredient? Taking half a dose before a meal and the other halfway through can help a lot.
I haven’t tried it but I’ve heard it works really well! I’m a bit worried that it would not help develop a natural ability to digest beans.
a potato added (not eaten)
This is a sin
Eat that potato and your guts will confirm your sn...
So the potato is a sin eater?
🤣 I guess so!
potato added (not eaten)
I'm sorry, what? You add potato to the soup, then remove it before serving like a bay leaf?
Yes
That's wild
It's always an odd number with beans.
This, 5 (or 3) bean chilli. Heinz and their 57...
Odd numbers are better than even numbers.
Prime numbers are the best odd numbers.
You could say they're the oddest
TIL 2 is an odd number 😝
It is indeed very strange
it's odd that way
I prefer to mix my beans into prime numbers
Triangle numbers for me (1,3,6,10,15,21,28...). It's a good mix, but you run out of beans eventually.
Oh I know.
I use this when making chili. It's fantastic!
That means 15 different farts as well. Had this bag last week and I'm still rippin ass
Are you now a bean fart connoisseur?
Oops! All beans!
People are joking around, but mixing different beans is important.
Beans are a good source of protein, but they're incomplete - no single bean will provide all essential amino acids.
So mix them up and you end up with complete protein.
Focusing on complete proteins is largely unhelpful 99.9% of cases. Unless you are eating a exclusively singular source of protein for all meals and snacks it's going to be not practically relevant. You don't need to get all the amino acids at the same meal - just at some point in the day. And even thing you don't think of as protein sources can be enough to make something complete. For instance, just adding rice is enough to make beans complete
It's also not the case that the beans don't have all the amino acids, they do, it's just less on certain ones. Which is why it can often take so little to make something complete protein. Complete is just a bar of "does it have this specific threshold of the amino acids", not does it contain them at all
You don't need all amino acids on the same meal, that's true.
If you're a vegan, managing protein intake is important. Making sure you get complete proteins is overlooked.
Your comment is a dangerous simplification and excludes the fact that indeed many people rely on specific, cheap, vegetable sources of protein as their only protein.
As for rice, while it will indeed complete most bean types, the amount of protein per 100g is very low.
Many researchers argue the exact opposite - that it is way overemphasized. Especially because thing you might not think of as protein sources can add the missing other amino acids. Things like wheat, rice, etc. also have protein that can complement others. It's extremely unlikely for a bean heavy diet to actually have beans as the sole source of all protein even if is the main source
Combining does not need to happen for every single meal: so long as the diet is varied and meets caloric needs, even vegans and vegetarians – people who tend to have more "incomplete protein" in their diet – can easily meet their amino acid needs. In other words, most people do not need to consider the completeness of proteins of single foods.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_protein
Especially the false idea that it has to be done at each meal
Protein combining has drawn criticism as an unnecessary complicating factor in nutrition.
In 1981, Frances Moore Lappé changed her position on protein combining from a decade prior in a revised edition of Diet for a Small Planet in which she wrote:
"In 1971 I stressed protein complementarity because I assumed that the only way to get enough protein ... was to create a protein as usable by the body as animal protein. In combating the myth that meat is the only way to get high-quality protein, I reinforced another myth. I gave the impression that in order to get enough protein without meat, considerable care was needed in choosing foods. Actually, it is much easier than I thought.
"With three important exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a plant food diet. The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1] fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and fat). Fortunately, relatively few people in the world try to survive on diets in which these foods are virtually the sole source of calories. In all other diets, if people are getting enough calories, they are virtually certain of getting enough protein."[13]: 162
The American Dietetic Association reversed itself in its 1988 position paper on vegetarianism. Suzanne Havala, the primary author of the paper, recalls the research process:
There was no basis for [protein combining] that I could see.... I began calling around and talking to people and asking them what the justification was for saying that you had to complement proteins, and there was none. And what I got instead was some interesting insight from people who were knowledgeable and actually felt that there was probably no need to complement proteins. So we went ahead and made that change in the paper. [Note: The paper was approved by peer review and by a delegation vote before becoming official.]
Especially because thing you might not think of as protein sources can add the missing other amino acids. Things like wheat, rice, etc. also have protein that can complement others.
So I say "consider how some people actually do have a single source of protein per day, they're not combining it with other food sources, but they should be aware of this" and your reply is "oh but you see they're combining it with other food sources so that's not important" flawless logic.
Especially the false idea that it has to be done at each meal
I never said that. You mentioned it, I said I agreed, and you mentioned it again to reinforce a point I never made. Trying to pad out the comment or something?
Many researchers argue the exact opposite
Sure. And there are several who disagree, or more precisely, might agree that in a vacuum your point stands, but given the atrocious bioavaliability of most plant-based protein, you actually do need to combine protein to effectively fix the issue because your body will absolutely not fully digest the 2g of protein in your 100g plate of white rice.
So I say “consider how some people actually do have a single source of protein per day, they’re not combining it with other food sources, but they should be aware of this” and your reply is “oh but you see they’re combining it with other food sources so that’s not important” flawless logic.
My point is that it effectively happens anyway without even having to think about it in 99% of cases. It's not really a large issue in the slightest. It just makes things sound scarier and more complex than it needs to be. People have finite ability to focus on various health things, and this just isn't something 99% of people need to be worried about
If someone is eating the exact identical source exclusively, every single day with no variation in anything, they are likely going to end up deficient in other things way before this, regardless of which thing they are eating (unless it's something like Huel or Soylent which is designed to include everything). This is not at the level of "someone has beans a lot". This is at the level of "virtually all of your calories come from beans" to be some larger issue
Many people use it as a lever to attack plant-based diets in situation that it just doesn't apply at all by making it sound like it's something you're needing some spreadsheet for. It's really not the case. Plus things like soy, chia, hemp, and more are also already complete too
I never said that. You mentioned it, I said I agreed, and you mentioned it again to reinforce a point I never made. Trying to pad out the comment or something?
I was not saying that you said this. I should have worded that better. I was trying to add some more context for relevant statements from authors talking about both complete proteins and protein combining. I did a poor job of that though
because your body will absolutely not fully digest the 2g of protein in your 100g plate of white rice.
You don't need to digest all of it, it's just about a specific amino acid (Methionine in this case which beans already have some of). It's just a little bit to make it complete. For instance, one of the studies you linked with rice + lentils found the two together rose the DIASS to overall be 100% (122% for infants and kids, 143% for older adults)
I should also note protein quality metrics are also often based on some faulty assumptions for plants in particular. For instance, the DIASS has some flaws that make it undervalue the quality of plant proteins
While multiple strengths characterize the DIAAS, substantial limitations remain, many of which are accentuated in the context of a plant-based dietary pattern. Some of these limitations include a failure to translate differences in nitrogen-to-protein conversion factors between plant- and animal-based foods, limited representation of commonly consumed plant-based foods within the scoring framework, inadequate recognition of the increased digestibility of commonly consumed heat-treated and processed plant-based foods, its formulation centered on fast-growing animal models rather than humans, and a focus on individual isolated foods vs the food matrix. The DIAAS is also increasingly being used out of context where its application could produce erroneous results such as exercise settings. When investigating protein quality, particularly in a plant-based dietary context, the DIAAS should ideally be avoided.
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s13668-020-00348-8.pdf
rose the DIASS to
DIAAS
DIAAS recommends using pigs for the reference readings as their GI tract more closely matches humans then other animals.
As our understanding of plant-based nutrition has improved however, it has become increasingly apparent that emphasizing protein quality in developed nations is unproductive, influencing food selection with irrelevant metrics rather than more important dietary factors and truly prevalent nutritional shortcomings (i.e., fiber). Pervasive use of DIAAS and food selection based on this score is thus futile at best and harmful at worst.
As far as published opinions go, this is a wild one, the opinion cites other opinions for it's basis, and recommends PDCAAS (rat based) because it's more favorable to the conclusion the author wants. It's a really strong, and totally unjustified statement, to say that fibre is a more important nutrient then protein. (people will die without protein, but they wont die without fibre)
not to mention the admitted conflicts
Conflicts of Interest/Competing Interests Joel C. Craddock and Emma F. Strutt are affiliated with Doctors for Nutrition, a not-for-profit registered charity that promotes healthy eating by advocating for adoption of whole food plant-based diets.
That's misinformation that was published in the 1950s and has long been discredited, for many reasons
so one of those Bean Council creeps got to you too, eh?
Oh cool, I guess they forgot to inform the entire physiology department of the university I got my biology degree in, and the periodics where they publish their research.
It's a question of nutrition, not biology. Humans don't need that much protein, so it doesn't matter if you pee out some amino acids.
I had to buy beans at Walmart the other day.. I don't normally get them there. I was looking for white beans. They had this brand in both fhe 15soup pack, and they also had a white bean pack. I saw in the white bean pack, they add "ham flavoring". I was so grossed out, what is ham flavoring in dried beans? I had to buy the great calue brand. No ham flavoring added.
Dude, Bean soup cooked with leftover ham is amazing.
Right and this is fine. But adding "ham flavorings" to a bag of dried beans weirded me out.
How the fuck does one obtain the ham essence, and then apply it to dried beans?
It's vegan, not actually made from ham
Ah, so even grosser, then?
No? I think it's quite teasty.
By adding artificial ham flavoring. This stuff lists itself as being vegan. Not sure about the walmart beans though.
The Walmart ones were just plain beans
True. The ham seasoning packed is definitely lacking
Just use real ham
Same as your cola gets it's cola flavor, food scientists can synthesize a wide variety of flavors that mimick different things
I can't ever get over imitation vanilla comes from beaver ass holes.
Edit, for the down vote, I looked it up.
https://liptouchfoods.com/what-is-artificial-vanilla-made/
While there a few places imitation vanilla comes from, petrochemicals, are one source for manufactur, which is again, just another byproduct of petroleum. Not much better than Beaver Assholes which aren't used often.
Pigs are incredibly intelligent animals. You shouldn't eat them.
Don’t kid yourself ChimpChamp22, if a pig ever got the chance he’d eat you and everyone you cared about.
I mean, yeah. Not even a joke.
I got stuck up a tree by a sounder of like 30 of them when I was a kid. My uncle threw a quarter stick at the base of the tree. They dipped, but the tinnitus is still hanging around nearly 30 years later.
I watched cow chase a grown man up a tree when I was a young teen. Near died laughing at him
You could say the same about Hannibal Lector, but I wouldn't eat him. I do eat pork, though.
Gross. Lots of people are disgusted by actions that worsen the climate catastrophe
Then dismantle the corporate infrastructure that got us here, stop pointing fingers at your fellow man just trying to survive.
Stop thinking about left and right start thinking about up and down.
Up and Down is over, we need to be thinking in and out.
Yeah I've got that as a backup plan too.
Most serious vegans understand something about the differential in agency that comes with even relative poverty. The books that sort of founded the movement take this into account.
And there is a LOT of relative poverty in places you don't normally expect, especially with housing costs as they are around most of the Capitalist world.
Lol wut. Beans are super cheap. Vegan food is literally cheaper then products from the animal industry that is causing climate catastrophe
Easy to say when you have choices in where to shop. Lack of transportation and odd work schedules destroy that Real Quick. As does rural life, or life in an urban food desert.
There is more to poverty than lack of money - there is also frequently a lack of time away from work for serious food preparation. And idk if you've looked at vegan processed food lately but uh... The opposite holds true about their price.
No one can survive on crock pot beans alone.
Once again, 100 companies are responsible for how much of the emissions? Your consumer choices are not a Revolution that will save the world. Consumer choice is a poor substitute for activism that has been sold to you by your Masters.
Where can you not buy beans?
You do know there are places without supermarkets right? Or are you that sheltered to believe that the high Andes have a Piggly wiggly on every other precipice?
You can buy beans in gas stations, convince stores, and general stores
At the super market! Not everyone has access to world wide goods shipped in on cargo ships burning fucking bunker fuel in a gigantic two stroke(inefficient and dirtier burning than 4 stroke) by the gallons per mile.
Unless you are growing your own, I would argue you are contributing to the climate crisis more than my ham hocks.
Beans are the most climate efficient source of protein. They are nitrogen fixers. You can buy them anywhere you can buy food. No supermarket needed.
From small town arctic circle to small towns near Antarctica. From Asia to Africa. Everywhere. You will find beans.
Cool, you go there and tell them they're living wrong then.
I've been. I ate beans. Plenty of locals eat beans there too. Because its cheaper and makes more sense.
The discussion was not whether or not they eat beans. It was about you being a high and mighty vegan. While you were eating those high Andes(big doubt) beans, were you giving them the run down about how them eating pigs is bad? That they are adding to climate change?
But good try little homie, we're all very proud of your attempt to change the conversation.
Chochos are great, but there's also loads of beans that are easier to prepare
I'm sold, this sounds fantastic! Where might I procure it in the UK do you reckon?
God I wanna eat it right now
Very fitting username for this post. I wish I could be so clever. Alas, they are tricky to come up with
We've had 15 bean "soup" on rotation for many years. Our recipe is yummy, feeds a large family for several meals, and it's definitely affordable.
Plant them.
No joke going to do this. I could quadruple my beans!
It's very rarely fatal, it's usually more of a "Barfing out everything you ate for the past week... as well as your shoes" sort of poisoning.
So you just wish you were dead, got it
Damn, I had no idea.
This would probably be great with my favourite baked beans recipe. I usually use a mix of cannelini, butter and red kidney beans, but I'm happy to experiment.
You think I don't know about beans?! I almost died in freshman year at Biffmoore because I ate a bag of uncooked beans. Dry Beans!
14 of them suck.
A bean connoisseur! What bean is your fav? Black bean? Lentil? Garbanzo? Navy?
You know the difference between a garbanzo and a chickpea?
Slow sobbing
It's the same picture.
I got you, fam.
No, what is the difference?
45 minutes in the electric pressure cooker?
I know I've had chickpeas and I've never even heard of garbanzo.
I think chickpea/garbanzo might be the best, given how versatile they are. Chana masala is one of my favs that seems to fly under the radar.
And hummus is the ultimate bean dip.
any of the white beans have been my jam lately, but ive also had a spot for fava beans, and of course, my spicy beans wouldn't be the same with out the pinto
Butter beans. So toothsome.
garbanzo i'm on a hummus kick
What's the best use of such a wide assortment of beans in one package?
This one in particular is good for making ham soup with thanksgiving leftovers. They print a recipe on the packaging.
this is def a staple in my pantry to be enjoyed anytime ham goes on sale, have a classic ham dinner, the next night is ham and stouffers mac, and night three is when anything that didn't become sandwiches goes into the pot for the bean stew and it is so freakin good, highly recommend
Gotta keep the hambone for the stock
tbh, i am pretty meat-adverse at this point in my 30s, but as a cook, i def won't give up the usefulness of a ham hock, hating ham due to the weird, congealed cold cuts that i grew up with, i still love the slow cooked bone, it's mainly the unrendered fat that skeeves me
Yeah, gotta cook it for a long time. The best ramen places do bone broth right, and they often cook that shit for day(s)
lol, people love a good tonkotsu for sure, i still prefer a clear broth like shio or just dashi depending on the place, i just don't like the flavour as much of the bone broth, noodles should be light unless i'm drunk or its yakisoba ;p but bean stew is the perfect spot for a heavy broth, still, i don't like it for the pork flavour as much as the sodium that ham adds, i basically don't eat pork unless it's processed lmao
Yeah I love tonkotsu. I think the place near me might also just be like exceptional (reviews seem to confirm). I imagine it's possible to not do it right.
Soup? Didn't you read the package /s
Flavor. Protein. Health. Wealth.
But OP, what kinds of beans are there?
From the ingredient list: northern, pinto, large lima, yelloweye, garbanzo, baby lima, green split, kidney, cranberry, small white, pink, small red, yellow split, lentil, navy, white kidney, black bean.
That's so many beans!
HamBeens
Link to article?
Later that night...
The 15 farts Orchestra! 😁💨
maybe specify where this is, lol, because it most certainly isn't available in sweden for example..