Me literally every time my friends start bitching about Instagram.

What's the second logo?

Given Reddit's past unreasonableness, I wouldn't be surprised if this otherwise reasonable explanation has an alternative motive.

True, but Reddit let this problem fester for a long time.

What's interesting to me here regarding this, is Reddits current preparation timescale. This isn't going to be enforced until March 31st, 2026. This tells me that Reddit would have been unprepared for a complete mass-walkout of community moderators during the 2023 Reddit API strikes. A large chunk of Reddit during that period was genuinely inaccessible. But after a few token gestures and a few examples made of some especially rebellious mod-teams, most of the striking moderators returned.

A huge opportunity was missed by people running major communities to functionally degrade Reddit in at least the medium-term as a website. You can't just hastily promote random people to replace moderators Reddit is either forced to remove or who leave voluntarily. The average person is likely too lazy, too arbitrary and too corrupt to effectively oversee communities of notable sizes.

That was my reaction too. I don’t feel like digging in to see if it’s actually bad though. Not gonna affect my life.

We all presume that being the mod of several large reddit communities doesn't include the possibility of sidehustle financial benefits.

Yet, humans are innovators of corruption! And I can only assume that any multi-mega-subreddit moderator has worked out something to make what is obviously a full time job worth their time.

It could be viewed as reasonable if viewed alone. I think that its fine and could make a lot of sense for control over their platform.

The history of reddit sheds a different context in my mind though. Mods are volunteers. Subreddits were established to moderate themselves, implementing nuanced rules for their specific topics that might differ from other subs that need completely different rules and approaches. Its part of what made reddit unique compared to alternate sites.

Then they made moderating much more difficult by eliminating third party apps. Then they started implementing their plans to take the platform where they wanted it, which is fine because its their platform, but they wanted all their mods to do a bunch of work and in a certain manner to make it so. Very demanding on free labor.

So there's mods still around and they want to restrict them more? Who knows, maybe that's a great idea but they made the mess they're in. This decision isn't a single on on its own, its part of a stack of them.

The problem with powermod isn't that they exist, though. Moderation of a large sub is still done by volunteers that have had to hack solutions together because they don't get a lot of support from Reddit. It helps Reddit to have experienced mods overseeing several subs because they bring with them experience on how to handle high profile and large scale moderation efforts. They are a technical talent pool that Reddit relies upon a lot.

The problem is that Reddit has shitty mod governance. It still uses rank by add date and offers no ability for users to kick a mod out except for TOS faults. Reddit doesn't want to fix mod governance issues because it creates a legitimate mod power structure and Reddit doesn't want to give that much power to users, including mods.

That said, Reddit's shitty mod governance was copied directly to Lemmy.

Yes, but they are also doing this to deleverage their mods and consolidate censorship power with corporate

reddit might want AI to control some of the subs, dont you think?

It would have made sense if done years ago. Doing it now is suspicious.

This was desperately needed.

But I'm not convinced they aren't just going to make alts.

lol can confirm

Yes, I expressed outrage at a disgusting state sanctioned murder in Iraq and suggested the invaders perpetrating these horror deserve to see the same kind of violence in their own cities. Permaban of the entire website forever. I could easily evade the ban but, this was also when the API trouble and the "reddit is fun" app stopped working. The writing was on the wall, duck that place and everyone in it. I won't be taken hostage anymore.

I never looked back and I'm glad I did, I was wasting so much of my precious time in that ducking disgusting dump. I hope Lemmy doesn't Septemberify for a long time. I really hope steps are taken to prevent centralization and owner dominance of Lemmy before it becomes reddit with extra steps

Can confirm. You can have the mildest takes and still get permbanned.

Did you know, that saying Neo-Nazis should be named and shamed is a permbannable offense?

Reddit is becoming Xitter 2.0 and I'm really hoping the remaining human users on there figure it out soon.

Another easy way is to use a VPN like Mullvad. They block you and you can't see anything.

I feel like I went through withdrawals, took like a month to get over it, now I rarely use reddit, not missing anything, just thought I was, I guess I do miss reddit from like 2015, but it was getting worse every year, one of my last posts months before my permaban was asking for alternatives. (It's how I found lemmmy lol)

Reddit is also at a point where everything has been asked and is asked again weekly, i don't really need to post/comment anything myself and my votes mean nothing because of the volume. Most of my comments would get lost in a void.

Can corroborate lmao. They’ve saved me so much time that I usually spent correcting misinfo, but I guess that’s what they want on their platform. Anyways Lemmy’s been an okay replacement.

They use weirdly aggressive fingerprinting to make sure you don't make any new accounts, too. What a bunch of weirdos.

It's so easy

There's still way too many niche communities on Reddit that just haven't taken off on Lemmy e.g. alternative and non-team sports.

There's a ViolentMonkey script that can automatically delete all of your Reddit comments. I just run that every few days.

It's not ideal, but it's the best that I can do if I value access to those communities, which I do.

It's not about the platform but it's where most of the people are. There's just not a lot of people here, especially in relation to niche subjects.

Fuck it's been two years...

Reddit is in an incestuous relationship with Google. So it'll remain relevant as long as it's results keep getting into the front page of the biggest search engine. Add to that, the results getting fed into AI responses.

Influencers and marketers love Reddit at least as much as they still love Twitter.

How are they kneecapping old.reddit?

Same. I got a permaban on 9/12 with zero explanation as to why.

I got perma banned a few years ago for saying pipzilla will stomp on ableists. cause apparently saying OCs of fictional characters will stomp on is a serious threat of violence Reddit moderation is so ass it's comical people don't believe me sometimes hwen itell them this is why i got banned but it is. v Pipzilla

I’m currently on a 3 day ban on Reddit for “threatening others” because someone was going on about how they would smash people with telekinesis and I made a comment saying you could simply bend a prion without being dramatic and drawing attention to yourself.

I live in a small country that sysadmins don't care about. if I make an account on reddit, it will be banned the first time I say "hello" in the comments. there is no way for me to use Reddit. the appeal system is completely fake as far as i know. the messages go straight into the garbage they're not read by anybody.

I've gotten IP banned twice. Once for talking about my cat killing rabbits (violence!) and once for talking about racist attacks against my local mayor by right wing nutjobs (supporting racism).

It's astoundingly stupid. I was never once ever even banned or blocked from a subreddit until like 2022. Then I started repeatedly getting bans from lots of subs for racism, sexism and violence. Mostly for throughful comments that were getting tons of upvotes then I'd get some personal comment from a mod about what a jerk I was and how if I think men/women are the same, and race isn't a huge pivotal thing, and violence is part of life... well then apparently I'm sexist, racist, and promoting violence. I also pointed out some obvious viral marketing going on in some subs... and banned. I also start getting harassed and targetted and followed by people on the site. It was so weird to have someone show up in other subs to insult/harass me or the constant PMs from weirdos. Never ever got those until like '22 as well.

Reddit was great when it was small. People were reasonable and chill mostly and debate was allowed. I learned so much from so many great communities. Now it's just a corporate echo chamber that wants a inoffensive as possible Disney like image. It's run by dingbats with zero ability to make normal judgements and caters to nutbags and bad actors who actively abuse things.

That said IRL things are so getting worse. My entire life I've mostly head the same opinions... and now all the sudden I'm 'evil' because I don't agree with exteremist/ignorance-first agendas being pushed so hard.

Yeah. When my 12 year old account got banned I stopped caring about that site and started creating new accounts every week and just posting whatever the hell I wanted without feeling like I needed to censor myself anymore. So their ban happy culture tends to have the opposite effect of what they want.

There's a browser script out there that auto-adds all your subs back from your old account, so it really wasn't even inconvenient for me other than the 2 minutes it takes to create a throwaway email account and create a new throwaway Reddit account.

And yeah, their methods for preventing you from coming back end up preventing others using the same computer or in the same household from coming back, so they just lose users. Their methods aren't very sophisticated though, so it's pretty easy to avoid them.

Shit site.

"Let's get rid of our longest running users, that should help the site move forward."

Yeah my 10+ yr account was like #340 in comment karma or some shit, I was clearly a contributor, but they banned me for nothing. Wish I would have sold it now.

Reddit has a whole metagame on trolling users in these ways. I don't think corporate cares at all. If anything spez probably welomes it.

Yes because they IP ban people

Must I?

The mods under discussion are the ones that mod more than FIVE large communities. if those people haven't figured out a way to make that a paying gig, then they're doing it wrong.

and allowing AI to train thier models. Reddits /GOOGLE and lesser extent openai is stuck at the hip.

They updated their automod stuff a few months back and if you don’t follow the script you get banned very easily now.

Sadly the few subs I frequented are still active and more useful than their Lemmy counterparts.

And so many more right wingers. Even 10 years ago those people would have been downvoted to oblivion now they make top comments.

Reddit for me was an escape from my red state and actually talk about policies I'd like to see along with just other general interest. And if I want to shit on someone for their take or just to blow off Steam. That was the place to do it. It hasn't been that for about 2 years now. I've been off reddit completely for the last 6 months.

I won't even click a Google link to it in search results.

I really would like lemmy to become more popular because it's user base is so small

"subreddits will stop displaying subscriber counts and instead show their “unique number of unique visitors over the last seven days, based on a rolling 28-day average,” Reddit’s rep said. Notably, old.reddit.com will not get these new stats but will still lose subscriber counts"

They are hiding,for stock purposes, their declining numbers from everyone they have banned. 12 year user I never said anything outlandish just dark humor that I always have. Stuff that would have been easily ok 10 years ago. Nope no more

I was permabanned for saying fascists need to get curb stomped like one forefathers did.

I like how Reddit hosts the most hateful, vile, racist subreddits and bans people like me for not condoning it. That doublespeak is chefs kiss

Reddit died for me the moment RIF went down.

its the admins and spez instituiting these changes, reddit was doomed the moment it went public. the mods were too complacent.

They are power-hungry

I don't want more Nazis at ten tho ):

Its like almost like the sites are drugs and the users are junkies that will do anything for a hit.

Also, it's creepy that they check upvotes.

What's wincest

Don't forget /r/cuckservative. That shithole radicalizes so many low IQ incels.

To be fair the account could be 9000 years old. You could be a 14 year old on their parents old account.

This one ain't the mods being dumb. This is just liability requirements. Which is its own kinda dumb but it's a whole different problem.

Reddit can ban users across vpn with their automated system. Its even easier if they have tasked someone to look into doing it. I doubt people are taking enough steps to prevent the browser fingerprinting that gives them a unique signature.

Well reddit has a vpn detection system, they have been automatically banning vpn user since last year, so its very risky to even use it, its very easy to detect it from reddit. thats why some power users have hundreds of accounts/thousands using more expensive methods. and i heard they are even detecting some of those now.

"Ja mai"

In my language we also have a saying: "nyeeerrrrrrr"

https://old.reddit.com/r/tja/

Mods get to control the political climate of their subreddit. Those with a political agenda would pay for that privilege.

I was in the WNBA sub a while back. And there was a conversation going about fair pay. I wasnt too into it, but I commented "Is the league profitable now? I thought it was still needing investment from the NBA?" Got instantly banned, and a rather nasty message from a lesbian woman, who was also non binary and "2S". Why was any of that relevant to the conversation? Fuck knows. But she made a point of telling me anyway, while calling me a troll for saying that the WNBA was shit... which I didnt, as you can see from the comment. During the discussion of her inserting what she thought I was saying, I got the back story. I was then reddit banned for "harassment". Thats right, she reported me to reddit for asking why I was banned, and saying that I never did what she said I did.

That was the last interaction I had with a mod, the first was about 20 years ago in an xbox forum. Somehow, a playstation fanboy had got into the mod team and started banning people for saying that they prefer xbox to playstation... on an xbox forum... I have hated mods for as long as Ive been on line. They have nothing been anything other than power hungry bullies.

The echoes in the chamber get louder every day.

Yeah, I thought it actually may be a rare Reddit W for 2 minutes, until I saw reddit admins will grant exceptions. So likely, mods that push reddits agendas will stay while the uncooperative ones will have to go.

Mods should be forced to indicate what rule was broken when banning. All bans should be appealable on reddit and addressed by a human being. Mods who have a history of frequent ban overturns should be suspended or banned.

moderating more than five subreddits with 100,000 monthly visitors.

I mean, that's clearly a rule that considers size of sub a factor, so, um, what?

Tbh, I'm active in some modless subs, and apart from the occasional spam or lost redditor it mostly works. r/Arduino (iirc) for example is unmoderated and not exactly small.

People downvote garbage content and it gets hidden fast.

Compare that to e.g. r/showerthoughts which is so heavily moderated that you need a masters degree just to manage to post there without getting your content deleted or r/WiiUHacks where the mods ban you for mentioning the wrong Wii U hacking project (e.g. Pretendo) even though you broke no rules.

The AI moderation is crap as well, but the upvote/downvote system is robust enough to work as a makeshift automoderation system.

Honestly just get rid of the mods.

These days some AI bot instructed on the sub rules would probably do a much better job. Nd not be a power hungry bitch

Yeah it's like idiots killing idiots September

When i read the section on how they'll no longer be responding to complaints i had the same exact thought you did. Triming the fat to make the change easier on themselves in the future.

they allowed 92 mods to control over 500+subs, im betting these are mostly the subs that have alot of traffic and controversy(mainly discussion based subs, plus news and politics and any subclones of these subs)

since spez is inlove with how musk is running things, he wants it to be facebook/twitter clone, where people just browse the site without logging in, and exposing them to tons of ads. Im surprised reddit hasnt increased the frequency of ads on the site.

hiding the bot numbers, no doubt, and shielding bots comment history as well.

Killing super-mods would have been much more effective 5 years ago, back when there were still lots quality moderators in small subreddits. I remember people screaming for years this was a problem they needed to do something about.

However, during the last blackout (triggered by Reddit killing off 3rd party apps), Reddit removed hundreds (thousands?) of moderators who wouldn't toe the party line. These people aren't coming back and there aren't quality people lined up behind them to donate their time. The mass moderator removal made the super-mod issues even worse.

"Worse" only being "less engagement in the next quarter."

AI mods are probably pretty good in that respect. Random bans don't really matter, they can stick to the party line, and letting a bit more controversial or ragebait disinformation through is a plus. In the short term.

Ordinary users will not be lining up to step in as small time moderators

That’s where you’re wrong. There is a never ending line of power hungry incels and neckbeards just waiting for a chance to have any semblance of power.

Allowing opt-in moderation attracts mods with an agenda. That's a big problem with Reddit.

Then how do you manage the type of people who just want control over as much a possible to stroke their own ego while doing a terrible job or pushing their own agenda?

Surely it's better for unmoderated pages to prune themselves, leaving only ones with enough interest to survive.

I think it's a pointless change, it's not too difficult to create multiple identities if you wanted to moderate multiple subreddits. The actors trying to control subreddit moderation for commercial or political purposes will not be slowed down by the requirement that they maintain multiple identities.

If they wanted to 'fix' the comment toxicity problem, they could require x active moderators per active user. If it goes above that then non-subscribers can't comment. The rules don't mean much if there are 10,000 people commenting on each of 3 posts and there is 1 moderator who's afk and checking the report queue a few time per day.

Also, if you notice from most of Lemmy, having a smaller community creates social pressure for people to behave better. Once it gets to the point where you never see the same person twice people think they can behave badly because nobody knows them.

did you get banned from r/kangaroo for posting a wallaby?

i wouldnt be surprised if reddit just have AI managing these subs in the future.

Bro just DCA bitcoin. Done.