Top tier medical advice.
2y 9mon ago by feddit.uk/u/SomeoneElseMod in confidently_incorrect from feddit.uk
He's right. I kept the wound open and completely bled out. Lost all of my blood. But it's worth it because i didn't get Tetanus.
Did you know you can stop rabies by having someone chop your head off?
Did you know you can stop rabies by having someone chop your head off?
That's probably the preferred treatment over dying of rabies induced violent psychosis.
I wonder what it’s like to be in a rabies induced violent psychosis. Also why it’s like while you’re still somewhat sane, but fear water.
I hear you get banned from hydrohomies
Aww man.
Iirc there's video footage out there of it, but it's pretty disturbing.
Either that or get lots of shots in the stomach? (They still do that right?)
According to the CDC, it's four doses, preferably in the arm, over a two week period. I think I remember reading about someone who worked at a rescue or rehab that had to get several shots in the shin, around the bite site, but I don't remember why.
Four~five shots is just immunization, there's also two shots of immunoglobulin... That one is usually in the affected area if it is known, otherwise it's in the bottocks. And also probably tetanus shot if you're not up to date...
Source, had a bat in my house a few years ago... Good times!
Yikes! I had no idea about the immunoglobulin. It's better than the alternative, but I hope you never have to go through that again.
I would rather it not happen again, but if I ever had a doubt I'd do it again in a heartbeat! Not a pleasant experience, but I'm not gonna lie it's a great story to recount at parties!
What I found really crazy is thinking of the anxiety it would have caused us if we had been south of the border (my partner is from the US). Even the co-pay might have been thousands of dollars and, being pretty broke at the time (they were a student and I had lost my job to COVID), we might have thought twice about getting treatment. Out of pocket, being that I no longer had insurance, it would have been probably tens of thousands for the two of us.
I believe that only works if you manage to catch it extremely early. Once it advances past a certain point, they don't have a treatment to my knowledge (though I'd be happy to hear I'm out of date on that...).
If you get bitten by a rabid animal and go get the shots immediately after your chance of actually dying from rabies is very, very low. The studies I know claim it's very close to 100% effective, which is understandable because of the very long incubation period rabies has, if you have antibodies it doesn't stand a chance.
It's not extremely early. Rabies can stay dormant for a very long time, but you can still treat it if you're not showing symptoms.
Ah, maybe I'm thinking of something else then. Thanks!
There is the Milwaukee protocol, but that is almost never successful, usually results in brain damage, and has only been used a handful of times. Also it's banned in many locations from the inherent risk and lack of evidence for it working at all.
You get two in the arm, and one or two in the ass. Then a fifth later iirc. We had to get our rabies vaccines about a decade ago. A decent number, but none in the stomach.
Nice thing is, for the next five years, you are almost immune, and only need a booster if bitten again.
I'd always get the booster though. Rabies ain't worth gambling on.
Rabies is like my number one fear, next to prions. Nightmarish stuff.
No, you amputate the torso, it's different
I spit my drink out to this comment. Thank you
All you have to do is tell the tetanus "I do not consent," and by law, it cannot infect you.
If it were a legitimate tetanus infection, the body has ways of shutting it down.
Oh great, a "sovereign organism" movement...
It’s best if you post that on Facebook for all to share.
order corn
Drink Ovaltine.
Share this post with five people and tetanus will seize infecting you.
He’s technically correct - if you bleed fast enough for long enough, you won’t get infected by anything that needs a live host to grow.
I just imagined one these people getting paper cut and intentionally forcing it too bleed like a garden hose.
I mean, it happens in the totally accurate documentary Evil Dead so it should work
It is the same about things that are known to cause cancer. If you just ignore it long enough you don't have to worry about anything.
Well sure, if you don't look for something, you won't find it. Science!
So you are saying that they are protected for the rest of their life?
You just have to make sure you bleed faster than the bacteria or whatever can swim in.
Just start squeezing those arteries like tube of toothpaste
I can imagine the guy just pumping out his own blood like crazy laughing hysterically "You can't poison me you fools!"
that's not a bad course of action. average iq on earth will rise as a result.
I mean, it makes some sense if you get bitten by a snake, since its poison is not literally everywhere around you (hence why in older time they try to suck it out as much as possible). But the problem for viruses is that as soon as you stop gushing out blood, the bacteria/viruses nearby the wound will try to enter the bloodstream anyway
edit: or the fact that the veins are a one way, therefore if the virus is already inside, and you let blood out, you let out the blood which is clean. Or the fact that once inside, the virus might already be infecting cells and therefore is out of the bloodstream. or....
I wish there was just a button you could push to make people feel shame.
shame 🔔
shame 🔔
They asked for a button not a comment
Ok I'm gonna stop grabbing cow manure with bleeding hands.
Nothing is allowed anymore :(
Nono, you're fine doing that, just make sure you're bleeding hard enough so that the manure can't get in the bloodstream.
Best idea, just get rid of ALL the blood.
Can't have. Bloodborne disease if you have no blood.
Checkmate anemics.
Bleeding is just weakness leaving the body
FromSoft fans rushing to get the Bloodborne disease:
The fun police are everywhere
Stop cancelling me!
Well the immune system is amazing. Their brain, not so much.
If the immune system was so amazing, why didn't it destroy the silly inside their brain?
because only two things are infinite, and one of those sadly is stupidity
Nothing is that amazing.
Wait, why do I even need an immune system if the bloodletting keeps the bad spirits out anyway?
Valid conclusion, I'm cancelling my health insurance rn. More money for scratchers, hell yeah!
Cos not every attack comes from a bleeding injury. Joking of course. This guy is nuts.
Tetanus is fucking terrifying. I'm happy to have chemicals to protect me from that.
My last tetanus shot hurt for 3 weeks straight. But I ended up not breaking my spine with muscle convulsions, so I think it's a pretty good trade off.
That's probably on whoever gave you the shot. If you hit fat or a tendon with an IM shot it hurts for a while.
Yeah mine was mildly sore for like 24 hours tops and no other symptoms, super not bad
Yeah, I have to do testosterone shots, and my left leg doesn't seem to have any good spots, so it usually has a painful knot for like 10 days.
It's not chemicals that protect from tetanus; it's the dead tetanus bacterium the vaccine contains that train the immune system to recognize the threat.
And what are the dead tetanus bacterium made of? Chemicals 😜
It's chemicals all the way down!
Alright, give this guy an old fashioned blood letting with some leeches when he's feeling under the weather.
People are just so confident in the bullshit they think is correct and have no proof of. It sounds right so it is. Must be.
I whish I was so confident in anything.
At some point I feel like we should just let these people conduct their own health experiments, the problem will take care of on itself. You can only try your best at educating people but if they choose to be stupid there is nothing you can do.
They must be thinking that our body is like a municipal water system. The water is usually kept at high pressure so that if there's a leak or rupture, the water will gush out violently enough to prevent anything from contaminating the system for everyone else.
The key thing they're missing though is gushing violently. The body generally doesn't bleed vigorously enough to prevent foreign agents from getting in -- and most of the time when it does, you're having severe blood loss.
The only exception I think is around the anus. If you've had hemorrhoids you've seen just how much they can bleed, and I think that's to generally keep things out since it's an unclean area. Still, if you sat down with a bleeding ass in contaminated water, you're still going to get infected.
Still, if you sat down with a bleeding ass in contaminated water, you’re still going to get infected.
Not to mention... sharks!
Hypertension special secret capability unlocked: infection invulnerability!
They're not entirely wrong, which is frustrating.
Tetanus is an anaerobic bacteria which means exposure to air will kill it. If a cut is bleeding that means it's at least partially exposed and may prevent tetanus. The reason people tend to get tetanus infections from puncture wounds is because the wound heals up and seals out the air.
Also, letting a cut bleed for a bit is one way of flushing any foreign material from the wound, which can help. But you still need antibiotics and a bandage to reduce the risk of infection.
It's like only doing the first step of CPR.
A: "You got to lay them on their back."
B: "And then?"
A: "No that's it."
B: "Isn't there chest compressions or something involved?"
A: "Nope, chest compressions are dangerous and cause people to break bones. Plus almost 100% of people who were not laying on their backs ended up dying after their heart stops. So, laying someone on their back is all you need to do."
Yeah, it's incredibly frustrating when propaganda uses partially true information to push their agenda. From a first aid perspective, letting the wound bleed a bit and get oxygen exposure can reduce the initial infection. You should absolutely get the vaccine though because why fucking risk it?
edit: here is more than you ever need to know about tetanus: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/tetanus.html
Ah right, and that's why people think it's related to rust. Because most people getting a puncture would probably got it by standing on a nail, which was out in the elements and thus rusty…
Plus the rust is caused by iron removing ambient oxygen, giving anaerobic bacteria a safe place to hide
Thanks, I was just wondering how it can survive outside the body before infection if being outside the body kills it.
My doc once explained that nails, or anything that causes a puncture wound, are worse than a cut because they compress tissue within the wound, creating places where there is no exposure to oxygen.
Yeah I'd believe that
I hope this person learns by first hand how, for instance, AIDS is transferred.
Just cut it off and let the virus bleed away
I agree, just get rid of your blood, problem solved!
Real "Magnets, how do they work? Its a miracle!" Energy
Don't correct them and just let nature run its course
Tetanus is a horrible way to go, even for anti-waxx'ers and even worse if it's their kids. Who have little to say in the matter.
It's horrible if it's unavoidable. They're consciously choosing this lol.
Yeah, but their kids don't get to choose not to have shithead parents.
They're right, no one who has ever bled has died.
And no one with an immune system has ever died of an infection ever.
My immune system is literally trying to kill me. I don’t trust that murderous bastard with anything.
oh so we're wrapping around to the 1820's now too
I can get on board with the cocaine and laudanum. Not so much the mercury and bloodletting.
"You've got ghosts in your blood and you should do cocaine about it"
"But I've already been doing cocaine about it"
"Do more cocaine about it"
You're right... I'll take cocaine as a win in an anti-intellectual dystopia.
I feel like this comment implies people stopped doing cocaine…
Hold the radium and heavy metals but bring on the leaches!
We've been on that path for a bit now.
Although bloodletting is still an actual treatment for stuff, but now it's called therapeutic phlebotomy. (source, I have to do it for high blood count)
I'd like to see them say that when they have lock jaw
Sorry wrong. Can't have lock jaw if you only leave it unlocked. Human body amazung
SICKNESS, BE GONE!
You know
You try and try to educate people but… idk maybe they should be allowed to conduct experiments if they’re willing to sign off on no medical treatment. Seems like a fair challenge to those who know so much.
I mean, let Darwin do Darwin.
As is often pointed out, in order for this plan to work they need to die before procreating. Unfortunately the crowd that doesn't take education seriously doesn't take birth control very seriously either, or at least not in they way they should.
Bad ideas propagate independent of the genome.
No, if you apply enough selective pressure :)
Problem is their, "experiment," is resulting in the return of previously eradicated diseases.
Tetanus is very far from eradicated. The bacteria causing it are pretty much everywhere. People don't succumb to tetanus anymore because they are immunized and the shot is highly effective. That's why it's so important to get the vaccine. If you actually contract tetanus, your chance of survival without severe, permanent handicap is slim, even with the best healthcare available.
I can't be the only person not totally dissapointed at how meth lab medical this person's advice is, but like fucking sad because there are three other people who liked this meaning there are more decimal bound IQ meatbags who would take this as solid advice.
That person's grade of stupid is not a freak one off. There are others!
Letting cuts bleed for a bit is a good idea though since it does actually clean the wound.
America - it's dumber here.
more* dumber
The dubmerest
At some point you stop bleeding Doogie Howser. If you're lucky that'll be before you run out of blood, in which case, according to your theory of medicine, you'll be infected anyway.
If it's after you run out of blood, well, infection wasn't your main problem.
I recommend 1g of aspirin and a good bloodletting.
That's for pansies.
You can buy warfarin off the shelf in the form out pest poison.
If you wanna set a world record for death by blood loss, that's the way to do it.
Remember kids:
All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison.
—Paracelsus, 1538
Often condensed to "The dose makes the poison."
Also, death by warfarin overdose is a slow, bloody, painful way to go. Don't self medicate with fucking rat poison or anything stupid.
Was there aspirin in the age of bloodletting?
In the form of willow bark, yes, there was. Salicylic acid, the primary compound in aspirin, is also found in willow bark, which has been used therapeutically for 3500+ years.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjh.14520?sid=nlm%3Apubmed
Nice knowledge! A helluva lot of alcohol was consumed then too, probably even “prescribed” to take with a tincture for whatever the person was suffering from. Willow bark + alcohol + blood letting likely killed more than a few.
No child left behind was a travesty
Inside my shell I wait and bleed
I've felt the hate rise up in me...
morons are everywhere
Nothing can enter your bloodstream if you just let it bleed.
Exactly. Just like how fish cannot swim upstream no matter how slow or fast the flow is.
Salmons just don't know better. If they went to fish school, they would be unable to do it!
You're all taking it out of context. They said "soap and water", meaning you're supposed to keep bleeding until you can wash it with soap and water.
DO NOT wash it with cow manure
See? It makes perfect sense...
He's got a point there actually. You definitely don't need poison in your body. By definition, that might kill you if there's enough of it.
Cytotoxic drugs are poison. They keep me alive.
What is tetanus
Assuming you're actually asking. It's a disease caused by a bacteria in the soil when it gets in your blood stream.
People often think it's caused by getting stabbed or cut with rusty metal but it's just correlation rather than causation. Something metal that's been sitting outside is just usually the way that you'll get cut and if it's outside it's probably rusty.
You could have clean rusty metal not give it to you, and brand new metal or a stick give it to you.
Tetanus is also known as "Lockjaw" due to the symptoms.
It's preventable by a mildly uncomfortable vaccine that everyone acts like is the most painful shot ever.
To add on: the bacteria are anaerobic, meaning they thrive in environments without air. This is also the rusty nail effect--the nail will push the bacteria into your body where there is little air. You most likely will not get sick from tetanus from a superficial wound.
Ooooh Tetanus, my inability to read properly strikes again. Thanks for the explanation though, I had no idea that rusty metal doesn't cause that. This is why I ask things instead of looking it up.
Just give the idiot tetanus. Again and again.
I think the dude there already has idiot tetanus, or maybe it's idiot headanus.
It‘s technically correct, if you prevent your wound from stopping to bleed, you won‘t get ill. That is due to the fact, that you‘ll be dead.
Darwin used to call it "Natural selection", now we call it "Being confidently incorrect"
No, Darwin didn't, in fact he rightfully rejected so called "social Darwinism" because it's nothing but eugenicist bunk.
that's the problem with Great Ideas, eventually carnival hucksters and conmen are selling it out of bottles in the parking lot
I don't think the person you replied to was talking about social darwinism
From your article....
The core idea of Social Darwinism is that the wealthy and powerful enjoy the privileges they do because they are more fit in terms of the traits favored by natural selection. The poor and powerless have less fit traits and therefore it is best to let them perish ...
This reprehensible (and bullshit) ideology is distinct from the idea of a person making an unsafe decision like golfing on a mountain in a thunderstorm that directly causes them to die.
the wealthy and powerful enjoy the privileges they do because they are more fit in terms of the traits favored by natural selection
That's literally ableism (and classism) and eugenics.
This reprehensible (and bullshit) ideology is distinct from the idea of a person making an unsafe decision like golfing on a mountain in a thunderstorm that directly causes them to die.
They are not distinct in any way shape or form, that's just a rephrasing of that first quote of yours, and another way to say it (that most people use today) is "st.pid people shouldn't breed" (or, because I predict you being a pedantic ass - "haha that st.pid person died without reproducing, lets give them an award!1"), demonstrating exactly how inseparably intertwined eugenics (which is literally, and of course, incorrectly, but still, absolutely based on Darwin's theory) and ableism are in the bullshit premise of the so called "Darwin awards", which I am well aware the person I replied to was referencing, and which don't provide you with the excuse or justification you thought they would (to give yourself permission to continue supporting them?), and you trying to ablesplain this shit to me just goes to show how little you actually understand of the subject.
And if you genuinely believe any of that "justification" you wrote, you yourself are an ableist eugenicist, and if you don't like hearing that, stop acting like one, and you won't get called it again.
I appreciate the explanation. I apologize. I will take this to heart.