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8mon 20d ago by lemmy.blahaj.zone/u/not_IO in microblogmemes from lemmy.blahaj.zone
“Now more than ever we need to reach across the aisle and work together…”
The Time to Move Forward Is Now
Ah, 2021. A time of triumph and jubilation. Democrats coming together and saying "We won last time so now we'll never lose again" and proceeding to write the opposition party off as toothless has-beens. What a magical moment for our country.
Why can't we go back to brunch? I think the real reason is because leftist voters stabbed us all in the back. So we just need to pivot further to the Right if we want to reclaim our beautiful brunch-time again.
leftist voters stabbed us all in the back.
Victory was assured! It is the only explanation!
Uncommitted movement? Never heard of them in my life, must be an internet joke!
He literally mentioned turning the military on cities earlier during the rambling speech he’s giving right now, in between talking about the quality of paper he likes and complaining about not getting a Nobel prize, because people are apparently shooting firefighters off ladders.
Don't worry everyone, Chuck Schumer is going to write one of his most strongly worded letters ever.
He's already admitted that the only reason he's in Congress is to keep the left pro-Israel. And even by that metric he's a loser.
And send eight overwrought emails about how much it would help if you donated right now.
Newsom about to post to social media in all caps.
Yeah, and he's gonna call Trump a fascist and possibly even a Nazi for the umpteenth time. That'll show him!
Like in Germany, Italy, and Spain it will not be the Liberals that fight back. Liberals will bend the knee and beg for forgiveness while Social Democrats will protest until the military massacres them all. But it will be the revolutionaries, the Socialists, the Anarchists, and the Communists that will resist.
Then obviously the communists make the anarchists face the wall
Obviously
Then we'll all get lined up and shot by fascists Or just Communists and liberals Who've been waiting all along to become the fascist cops
Lol you really can't wait to play victim can you
It seems being amnesigenic doesn't make one immune from historical ignorance.
I'm well aware of the alleged historical grievances that some anarchists like to use to justify playing victim and being fucking useless, fortunately not all anarchists do this
You're just trying to trade one boot for another.
Yes, a proletarian boot to prevent the capitalists from ever taking power again, your absurd opposition to wielding power for anything good ensures you will never do anything but lose
Seems like a stretch to call the mass execution of anarchists "anything good" but I suppose that really depends on how you feel about anarchists.
Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo
Can you give me one example of a time where the communists did not purge the anarchists?
Purge doesn't mean execute lmao
So you cannot, then?
Yes, communist parties purge people who are not communists, are incompetent, or are otherwise detrimental to the purpose of the party.
That is different from executions, which tend to be saved for desperate circumstances, nazis (not frequently enough, see Hungary), corruption and negligence resulting in mass human death, and people less reformable than Pu Yi.
Different from executions like the 681k documented executions by the Stalin regime?
No, those executions fall under desperate circumstances, Nazis, corruption and negligence.
Though in practice, there were a lot of locals using the government to settle old scores, until further centralization restricted those abuses, see Life and Terror in Stalin's Russia
I understand similar mechanics occurred during the Cultural Revolution, but I haven't done enough investigation to form a strong opinion there. I really should ask some old folk around here about their experiences.
Documented by who exactly?
Literally the soviets, that's an official figure.
Lol cool story, can't help noticing the complete absence of any substantiating evidence tho
Any source I give you will surely be dismissed as western propaganda.
You've got nothing and you know it
Can you give me one example of a "purge" that wasn't a direct response to anarchists being petulant shortsighted wreckers?
Totally on board with your premise, they do need to punch up as much as they can. And it looks like they’re trying to do so this round of shutdowns.
Nonetheless, this ultimately comes down to us. All of us. We can’t just sit here behind a computer and meme ourselves out of this disaster. We have to get out in the streets. We have to yell get mad and be angry. We have to hit them where they feel it. We have to organize. Get with upset farmers, get with the military vets whose benefits have been cut, get with the middleclass milquetoast moms who are starting to feel like something isn’t right with their grocery bills.
Each and every individual one of us is a single drop in the ocean, but, if we all move in the same direction, we become a crashing tsunami.
I'm Canadian, you guys should have been doing this since Regan, but better late than never I suppose
The pot says to the kettle.
Never said we're blameless but we did manage to avoid electing maple flavored trump even once, nevermind twice
Oh shut up haha. The CA government is headed down the same path last time I checked. Fuckin America Lite up there.
Yeah, kinda wish you guys hadn't decided to export your particular brand of capitalistic rot by osmosis. Our mistake was integrating with you guys as a policy and when the move was made outspoken politicians called it for what it was.
NAFTA fucked up every single country who signed it. Reagan and Mulroney were assholes.
They haven't made plans for that yet. Right now they are focused on fabricating national emergencies to cancel the midterms as the republicans are set to lose over a dozen seats as they destroy their communities and people tend to switch parties during midterms when the economy is struggling.
He is also threatening all the top military brass to start killing american citizens and getting rid of anyone the nazi administration doesn't like.
We are at that moment in time were shit is about to get real crazy and most of the country will be too busy and uneducated to do anything about it, just as planned.
I missed the killing citizens thing, when did that happen
As you can tell, I am very busy and overwhelmed with so much I can't keep track of all the shit that is going on
Yesterday. He wants the military to use Chicago as "training grounds" for our troops against US citizens.
Also the EO he just signed making anyone who isn't a white Christian Republican a domestic terrorist gives law enforcement more ability to arrest and hurt the opposition.
Democrats are his "enemy within" and he told all his generals to use their power to fight us.
The Democrats forced Trump to do all this. They're the real bad guys!
The Democrats forced Trump to do all this.
The Democrats helped Trump do all this.
Almost as much as protests voters helped Trump do all this. Almost as much as the both sides are the same rhetoric helped Trump do all this.
protests voters
Which state flipped based on protest voters?
Do you have a source that shows protest voters didn't have any impact?
At least as much evidence as you have that they did.
How many voters voted in 2020 compared to 2024?
https://votingrightslab.org/2024/11/25/how-state-election-laws-shaped-voting-patterns-in-2024/
Huge changes in voting law between those two election cycles
Great info. All the more reason to encourage as many people as possible to get out and vote against the party that is making it difficult to vote and vote for the party that wants to expand voting rights.
This really shows that the GOP wins when less people can vote and that discouraging people from voting specifically helps the country move farther towards a fascist dictatorship.
Idk if you're familiar with the phrase "proving a negative" or "burden of proof" but you should maybe try looking them up and learning a little bit about why you're wrong
There's a .ml after your name. Nothing you say is valid or taken seriously in any way
That's a fun way to get out of answering a legitimate question: ad hominem attacks.
Centrists do that when they know they have lost an argument. Dismissal and condescension.
"You're from place i don't like" is a dogshit argument and you know it
Any impact protest voters might have had could be outweighed a thousandfold by nonvoters. Why call out protest voters unprompted as a cause of an election swing when their impact is a drop in an ocean?
Half the country didn't vote. If 1% of them leaned Biden they would still have had more impact than protest voters, and I feel like the percentage leaning Biden might have been slightly higher than 1%.
I feel like I see protest voters called out 300x as much as nonvoters and I can never understand why it's so disproportionate.
Almost as much as protests voters helped Trump do all this.
Gee, if only there were some way democrats could have got those voters back on board. But they were too insignificant to matter until centrists needed someone to blame for the results of their unwillingness to represent people not named cheney or netanyahu.
When the electorate is polarized, you win by energizing your base to get more people to the polls. Abandoning your base one vulnerable group at a time not only fails to curry favor with the fascists that centrists desperately want to befriend, it also depresses turnout from your base as well. But since centrists like moving to the right and don't want to stop, they treat their positions as sacrosanct and it is the voters who must capitulate. After all, our politicians capitulate by example so frequently.
If they were too insignificant to listen to, you don't get to blame them. If they are significant enough to blame, they're kingmakers and you should have been listening to them.
"Whatabout protest voters, whatabout third parties" lol quit blaming other people for your failures
People who chose not to vote for Harris are just as much failures as the Democratic party. Take some responsibility.
Democratic party could have won in a landslide for speak up for their base who didn't want a genocide, but no, they wanted it and stuck to it.
Democrats are 100% to blame. And fuck you and everyone who tries to put the blame on people for having a conscience. If they had any semblance of representing their base, they fucked it up themselves.
Democrats put themselves in a scenario where Trump would win and you're surprised he won?
Yeah bro those people must be feeling so amazing about themselves and their pure and righteous conscience everyday that Trump runs rampant and destroys the country even more, and don't even get me started on trans issues
AT LEAST GAZA IS SAVED THOUGH :) fuck off and grow up. You are both to blame because you both are fucking idiots. Democrats should've done a better job and split with Israel, because dipshits like you needed more of a reason to vote against obvious nazism
AT LEAST GAZA IS SAVED THOUGH :)
At least democrats didn't have to abandon unconditional genocide support. At least they didn't have to follow the Leahy law. They'll make up every excuse under the sun to block progressive legislation, but straight up ignore the law to sell weapons for genocide.
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Don't play stupid
sheesh, literally the point my dad made yesterday unironically 😔
eyes on the New York mayoral election.
It'll be a prelude to the general election.
And trump is already interfering in that election. and I bet he'll deploy the national guard during the elections. Or straight up jail a candidate.
And major Democratic Party leaders hadn't endorsed Mamdani. The Dems will just play the fiddle while DC burns.
It's quite literally on the administrations to-do list.
If you're worried about election integrity under the administration, please do volunteer, or work directly for your elections board if you can. We can really use the help, no matter where you are from.
If you have some spare cash, don't be afraid to print out some fact sheets for people to take with them when voting, as long as you don't violate canvassing laws of course.
The Kingdom of Conscience will be exactly as it is now. Democrats don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.
ToTaLlY aS bAd As RePuBlIcAnS
It's not about bad or good even, it's about having "principles" and acting on them. Democrats in general, for better and worse, are permissive to all kinds of stuff but have a real hard time agreeing on where lines are drawn and picking hills to fight for and die on together.
It's like a kid having a tantrum on the floor of a public place and the parent going "sorry this is horrible but this just how he acts" and doing nothing to correct them or change the situation when they totally can.
Republicans don't really have that problem, even when it's objectively the dumbest shit ever.
That's the side effect of a 2 party system. If they could split up into smaller parties, they could at least stand on their opinion.
Absolutely
Principles.
Indeed. Edited.
Weird. It's almost like it's tankie/Russian propaganda. "Both sides are bad and the same and it's hopeless! Give up."
Not everyone who criticizes the dem party is a malicious. They are saying dems arent really trying and are actively blocking real change. Judging by how the party is treating Mamdani, its a valid take.
Almost
The first part is correct, both parties are owned by the same billionaires and consistently vote in the interests of those billionaires. The second part is some shit you made up because you don't have a coherent counter-argument to the things the tankies are actually saying.
Worse, at least republicans are honest about how fucking evil they are
Indeed the results are the same under both, but of the two at least Republicans have the virtue of honesty. Democrats lack even that.
No one asked a tankie... anything ever
Yes, I'm such a PaTriOt that I am deeply ashamed of most of the things the US does. But hey, at least I'm not so shallow that I think cool red logos justify disgusting and brutal authoritarianism under a different name.
Dems have been and continue to be enthusiastic supporters of Israel, liberals are comfortable trading the lives of innocent Palestinians to keep themselves safe and comfortable
liberals are comfortable trading the lives of innocent Palestinians to keep themselves safe and comfortable
And since they are liberals, they got nothing out of the trade. They were willing to lose to trump over saying no to netanyahu.
liberals are comfortable trading the lives of innocent Palestinians to keep themselves safe and comfortable
I didn't come across any. I heard the accusation here hundreds of times, but I didn't come across any actual dems or liberals on here defending Israel, AT ALL. Just a bunch of fake "left" wingers shouting about it, trying to get trump elected to own the libs.
What's the difference between a tankie and a magat? A tankie lies to themselves about politics whereas a magat just lies to everyone else.
You think that you're auth left, but you're just auth.
Lol ok, so first of all just because you claim you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't happening dumbass, weak response and you know it. Secondly even if you're ot directly defending Israel you're still making excuses for your party defending funding and arming Israel and taking millions of dollars of AIPAC money. Maintaining a semblance of plausible deniability while still directly materially contributing to genocide isn't better, and neither are you. Liberals are not left of anything, just conservatives who care slightly more about appearances. You're a lying sack of shit and your hands are covered in blood. You deserve Trump and worse.
Lol ok, so first of all just because you claim you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it isn’t happening dumbass, weak response and you know it.
Link it. Find me lemmy users saying "Vote dem because Israel needs our support".
All I saw was "yeah Biden is crap but trump would be so much worse" and then the same for Harris. The only people on lemmy who believed that voting for Harris was supporting israel were advocating against voting for Harris. Seriously, do you not even remember? Username checking out again.
making excuses for your party
Not my party, matey.
Liberals are not left of anything
Objectively false. American liberals are centrists who are left of Republicans.
You’re a lying sack of shit and your hands are covered in blood.
I'm not, and I'm not the one who argued for genocide max. That was the NeverHarris brigade, which you are surely in.
You deserve Trump and worse.
Says the person who argued for the outcome we have.
I never said anything about it happening specifically on Lemmy dumbass, try harder. If it's not your party and you're not making excuses for it then it should be pretty easy for you to admit that the dems contiuing suppport for Israel was politically suicidal and stupid, but we both know you'll just make more excuses. There is no centrist position on fucking genocide, you either oppose it or you support it and dems did fuck all to oppose it while happily taking millions in AIPAC money, AIPAC doesn't give money to people who don't support Israel. Like I said, you're a lying sack of shit with blood on your hands and you know it.
I never said anything about it happening specifically on Lemmy dumbass, try harder
I did, all the time, and you were too busy arguing with everything I said and calling me names to notice what I actually said.
Your bravado vanished pretty quick there.
Harris spoke out against israel a couple of times, but muddied the waters with a bunch of supportive talk to, but that was a truckload better than the republicans who were taking photoshoots next to israeli bombs that they had signed "finish them" and trump, as sane people warned you he would, went for genocide max and concreting over the mass graves theme park policy. Dems are centrists, and right of centre at that. What did you expect?
You never asked until now, you were too busy shouting, accusing and calling me names to do any listening.
But again, for the sake of all that is rational and sensible in the world, admit that the dems aren't as bad as the republicunts, with their insane anti trans military rule locking up hispanics without trial and fucking up what little healthcare there is in corporate hellhole america.
Like I said, you’re a lying sack of shit with blood on your hands and you know it.
I haven't lied to you even once today. You're just not prepared to hear anything that doesn't fit your narrow perspective.
I fail to see your logic about the blood on my hands. You, however, worked for genocide max trump during the election. Let's hear it. Where do you think I'm guilty of killing?
You're a lying sack of shit with blood on your hands and you know it
You’re a lying sack of shit with blood on your hands and you know it
I haven’t lied to you even once yesterday or today. You’re just not prepared to hear anything that doesn’t fit your narrow perspective.
I fail to see your logic about the blood on my hands. You, however, worked for genocide max trump during the election. Let’s hear it. Where do you think I’m guilty of killing?
Saying something a lot doesn't make it true and isn't very convincing. Come on, show you have a brain and can back up your point!
You're a lying sack of shit with blood on your hands and you know it, I don't need to say anything else to or about a morally bankrupt waste of oxygen like yourself
Except you have no reason for your random accusations, or are unable to express it.
Trump calls his opponents liars, cheats and felons, whereas that's pretty much a good summary of his own character.
You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse.
Wow, you got banned for calling for my suicide, and wait out the week, and this is what you write?
I certainly stand for voting against trump the crapmeister.
I got banned for a week dumbass, would have told you sooner if I could lol
You waited all week to contradict yourself! Lol.
I'm not contradicting myself at all, if you're confused that's entirely a you problem
You claimed I support the Democrats and then your say I should get the Republicans because of of, when there's literally only those two options for who would become president. A fact that's obvious to almost everyone around the whole world.... Except you.
There are other options, you just don't like them or care to put in any effort to make them happen, the status quo was fine when it wasn't negatively impacting you lol
Other realistic options for president in 2024? You are living in a complete fantasy world of your own with no hint of a connection to reality whatsoever. No wonder you talk such crap and don't listen to what anyone says to you, it's just you being true to form: reject external evidence, continue to believe three impossible things before breakfast.
Lol@ a person who thought Harris had a snowball's chance in hell lecturing anyone else about what's realistic, you compromised what little morals you might have had and you still lost anyway, fucking embarassing
You're one of the leave the trolley running straight ahead people. I have nothing but contempt for your fake theoretical morality.
You just want a blue trolley and some brunch, your morality is pure selfishness
You are incorrect for four different reasons and you have no idea why.
Easy enough to say
- I'm not a Democrat and I'm not a liberal.
- I've already eaten.
- I don't want a trolley at all, and I don't want millions tied to the main line and thousands tied to the branch line, but unlike you I don't pretend that the millions aren't there, or that Engles is going to rise from the grave, say "now, now, mr president, we can do better than that", wave his magic wand and abolish capitalism in its heartland, and unlike you, I don't think that standing idly by watching innocent people be incarcerated, wars perpetuated and worsened for vanity, families split up, LGBTQ+ people persecuted and the welfare state dismantled counts as moral purity, you sick fuck.
- It isn't selfishness, I live the other side of the world. I'm just not stupid or heartless like some people.
Nobody except for liberals is still defending the democrats, you're not fooling anyone
Nobody except far right Republicans is still advocating for trump, you're not fooling anyone.
I'm not advocating for Trump and you know it, you've got nothing, you lose
You're not fooling anyone except yourself.
The democrats did more to put Trump in office than every third party & protest voter combined could ever hope to, anyone making excuses for that is either too stupid to walk and chew simultaneously or morally bankrupt
You kept arguing for letting trump win.
That's what genocide supporters kept calling any and all opposition to genocide.
Yes, I'm such a PaTriOt that I am deeply ashamed of most of the things the US does.
Your shame and a dollar would be worth a dollar.
But hey, at least I'm not so shallow that I think cool red logos justify disgusting and brutal authoritarianism under a different name.
Read like, any book from outside the States. Or speak to someone who actually lived in these "brutal authoritarian" states.
Oh go away accelerationist
If you don't know what a word means you should try looking it up before using it in a conversation
Make me
Your wish is my command!
(And nothing happened)
Your shame is as worthless as your political action lol, authoritarianism is a thought-terminating buzzword employed by spineless liberals too terrified of the idea of wielding power for good to actually do anything to help
authoritarianism is a thought-terminating
This phrase renders all your words unlistenable. You just said that if a dictator is friendly to you, then they are good. Bye, blocked tankie.
Lol thank you for directly confirming my assertion, all thought terminated because of the phrase! And then you made some shit up that I never came close to saying in order to justify blocking me, but we both know your real motive is to tuck tail and run from an argument you just lost embarassingly.
This is full on playground level rhetoric.
I agree, you are like a petulant toddler unwilling to accept reality because it hurts your feelings. Also didn't you say you were going to block me? Not that I'm complaining, you might be a fucking moron but you're more entertaining than my clients and I can easily keep doing this and taking calls all day lol
No, you're confusing me with someone you were arguing with rather than someone commenting on your debating technique.
Did you think that swearing at me, calling me names and all the anger convinced me I was wrong to suggest that your debating lacked maturity and finesse?
I'm afraid it did the opposite.
You and every other liberal are interchangeable, you're all equally selfish, morally bankrupt, disingenuous, spineless. You won't be convinced of anything because you don't give a shit what the truth is, the only thing that matters to you shitbags is brunch
I'm not a liberal. I'm not even American. Did you think insulting me further would impress me?
It didn't, by the way.
What are you trying to achieve? Let off steam, or win people round to your point of view? It rather got lost in all the invective.
Just because you're not american doesn't mean you're not a liberal, dumbass. If you're making excuses for the US democrats in their support of Israel you're a liberal, end of. Conservatives aren't doing that shit, neither are communists or anarchists, just liberals who feel insecure about their morally bankrupt ideology and selfish decisions.
Just because you’re not american doesn’t mean you’re not a liberal, dumbass.
I so dumb, you so clever. Me wrong obvs.
How about this: I could be neither liberal nor american! Think about it! It would be consistent with what I said, yet not impossible.
If you’re making excuses for the US democrats in their support of Israel you’re a liberal
See, this is wrong in all three of supposition, logic and conclusion.
You could be, but you're not lol. You're just another disingenuous morally bankrupt liberal and we both know it, nobody's buying your bullshit
Not liberal. Just rational enough to know that the Republicans are worse than the Democrats in the USA. Tankies find it very hard indeed to admit this, and also apparently don't believe in the existence of the non tankie left. I'm a socialist, not a liberal, not that you ever took the slightest interest in any reality that wasn't the straw man you'd rather be arguing with.
You are a liberal, you don't want to accept/admit that because you know they're dogshit. The "non-tankie left" is as worthless as the democrats they keep making excuses for. You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse.
the Republicans are worse than the Democrats in the USA. Tankies find it very hard indeed to admit this
Tick, as predicted, you found it very hard to admit.
I'm right, cry about it
Oh moralism. Here you are again.
No, no, no. The more accurate Dem response is: "guess we're gonna die then."
"Guess I'll die" shrugs
If I represented people, I'd fuckin actuality do it. That's just me, though. Maybe I'll fuckin do it some day. Fuck these shits, on BOTH sides. I said it. They're all shits. Shitty little shits.
Well, shit, man.
He certainly learned from other autocrats that, for example, you cannot hold elections during a civil war.
Martial Law exists in the current day to keep con men out of prison.
The fuck do you want them to do? Ya'll mfs voted the fascism back in after their first failed attempt, you can't just pass your blame off to some dude in the minority party.
Every single person who could vote and did not vote DNC is responsible. Every single one.
Every single person who ever shared an anti Biden or Harris meme or spoke critically of them publicly before the election contributed to this problem. Everyone who was able to but did not openly endorse them or volunteer contributed to this problem.
That is a spicy take, but I agree. Anyone who looked at Trump and Biden/Harris and expressed things like "Biden is kinda old' or 'I don't like Harris' position on Gaza' fucked everything up.
We didn't get a democratic primary for this election, so we were in a place where we had a single option... it was Biden, up until it wasn't, and then it was Harris. IN ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY ANY CASE, either of those two would have been better than Trump. Anyone who held off voting for them or stayed home out of some relative-to-fascism-minor-issue -- or worse, voted for trump out of either approval or to 'send a message' -- ruined it for everyone.
If you're reading this comment and annoyed by my tone, just re-read the meme. This will very likely happen and we warned you. The people in power right now will never give it up and are actively dismantling the ways to stop them.
Trump is pushing right now to make us revolt and be violent so that he has an excuse to take even more power; to declare martial law or send in his pet police force or similar, even if it's a tenuous reason, and we've seen how the people who should stop him will just roll over out of fear. This was all blueprinted in Project 2025. They told us what they would do and are actively doing it.
I don't know if the folks suggesting legal, passive, protest responses are right or if we need to organize and fuck shit up right now like the ones stating that a revolution is the only way to stop this. I'm just a dude with a family and I'm part of the problem. I think our collectively meek response is going to be the end of the USA.
Empires fall. The USA as we know it is likely over but dictatorships also end, and there's a likelihood that something will rise from the ashes.
I will be very happy to look back at this post in 20 years and think about how I was wrong and catastrophizing.
You consider genocide minor compared to fascism?
No, I don't. They are both horrible. Way to pick a single issue -- which I'm sure is important to you -- and make it the whole thing, but many attacks were lobbed at Kamala, from her gender, race, her history against crime, to her unwillingness to support Palestine.
In the context of USA politics, but also what seems to be the whole world's fall into chaos, we keep choosing the worst options instead of the not perfect ones.
I'm pro-Palestine. I would love for my country to support Gaza, but, and sorry for shouting here:
IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD DOES DONALD TRUMP RESPECT PALESTINIANS MORE THAN KAMALA. IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD DO YOU SEE HIM MAKING THINGS BETTER THAN SHE COULD HAVE.
This is the absolute worst take. She could have been terrible for Gaza, but we already knew he would be. In the context of the US election, there's no case for refusing to vote for Kamala over trump if you're hung up on this issue. You are exactly the problem I'm mad about. Do you not understand how tearing her down hurt everyone? How continuing to focus on this one issue to the detriment of all others prevents us from being able to actually talk about it because the children in the room get elected?
Yes, complain about the US stance, and I'm with you. Publicly deride the better option because it's not perfect and you have people sit out the election because of both sides and you will see that the worst parts of humanity win instead.
You're just as bad as the Epstein Files meme folks. Yes, it's an important issue, but making it the ONLY issue prevents conversation on any other topic. And to hold off the Epstein people: We already know who is in the files, we don't NEED the confirmation. The fact they won't release them implicates the people in power. You think another felony conviction is going to stop him/them?
The time to vet US politicians is in a primary... again, we didn't get one this time. When the time comes to choose who is better or worse for yourself or the world, though, you vote for the least bad option.
And I think perhaps the end result is that yes, I think fascism is worse than genocide because I think it's a precursor. The US is aiding a genocidal country right now (for reasons that I don't understand, there seems to be a ton of pro-Israel sentiment), but is not the acting force there, that's Israel. Right now, on my land, the US is trying to move towards genocidal tendencies against it's own people: see ICE deportations and hostility. This is a direct result of choosing trump over basically anyone else.
Editing to add: I think this a bait I keep falling for. Anyone responding to a serious post with a single sentence is a troll. I'm hoping to inform others who might feel like zark but didn't post what they did rather than discuss with them.
You're doing great don't second guess yourself.
Do you not understand how tearing her down hurt everyone?
Do you not understand how ignoring those criticisms tanked her campaign?
Why are you angry at me and not Harris and the DNC?
This is what gets me. Democrats act like their party is some force of nature which they have no control over. They seem completely unwilling to place any demands on their candidates, because they're afraid that it will weaken them and cause the Republicans to win.
In reality, Harris was already coming from a place of weakness. If she had properly handled the issue, it could've saved her campaign, but she refused.
Regarding the Epstein files: Releasing those files is important for the victims to gain closure. They have said this. Additionally, there are probably a lot of big-money donors implicated in those files, and that's why they don't want them released.
No, I don't think they'll take down Trump, either, but that doesn't mean that they aren't important.
Oh, I'm mad at them too. And I understand how her failure and that of the DNC screwed things up. I'm mad at lots of people :)
I'm not mad at you, in particular, but I'm mad at the concept that we, on the left, are always chasing the 'perfect' candidate and allowing really shitty people to win when a non-shitty person is available.
I've voted in every primary and off-year election since 2006, preferring the more progressive or dare I say socialist candidates in 2016 and 2020. Despite my choices not being the ones the rest of the county chose, I still voted for the democratic candidates in those elections. I would have liked to have a voice in 2024, but I wasn't given one and it pisses me off.
Despite that, I think there was a clear "better for US and better for the world" candidate, but she got a bunch of negative press from people and organizations who were either too stupid to recognize the best of bad choices, or were actively trying to sabotage her chances. I think that negative press caused some people to decline to vote for her that otherwise would have, and the margin in some states was thin. I think it very well could have changed the election results if people had said things like "I don't like her stance on X, but we should vote for her because she's clearly better on Y, Z, A, B, C and D than him."
I am NOT trying to say that the topics where people didn't approve of her stances were not valid, or that they are not important. I would love to have the Epstein files released, and I would love for the US to support Gaza, and I would love for us to figure out how to support minorities, trans people, and all sorts of other disadvantages. I'm a caricature of the bleeding-heart-liberal and will fight for other peoples' rights harder than I fight for my own. I happen to be privileged in race, gender and birth social status, but I recognize it, and that it is a fleeting privilege if I don't help others retain theirs.
What I am trying to say is that when every political discussion turns into 'but genocide' or 'release the files', we stifle the ability to discuss things that are also important. Specifically those two examples because 'but genocide' was used during the election to great effect and 'but epstein files' is currently being thrown around here so often it feels like either just a meme or an intentional distraction. You did this exact thing when you took my whole response and turned it into 'genocide isn't as bad as facism?'
Thanks for writing more than a witty one-liner this time.
Is this another attempt at "but harris gaza!!"
'Cos I gotta ask, has fucking trump stopped the killing? Has he done absolutely fucking anything except actively make it fucking worse?
You don't have a moral high ground with that shit. You're in a fucking cesspool.
I wouldn't go as far as saying sharing a meme as politicians ahould be mocked, but yeah, when all you had to do to stop a nazi is show up to a ballot box and say "fuck off" and you didn't even do that, you are culpable for the shit they pull.
Right wing think tanks love this argument.
Are you referring to mine or the meme above it? Because I would wager Right Wing Think Tanks love the anti-DNC propoganda a lot more than calls for blue no matter who.
"anti-DNC propoganda"
"Every single person who ever shared an anti Biden or Harris meme or spoke critically of them publicly before the election contributed to this problem. "
holy america-brain. you're not making your "democratic" party sound very democratic.
i would put the blame on anybody that voted for and supports trump, not on the people saying neither of the candidates in your 2-party system is a good representative. like i understand the argument to choose between the lesser of two evils, but why are you dying on the hill of which evil you choose? more importantly why are you villainizing the people fighting for a better choice, and instead standing by a party that ignores criticisms to be less evil?
i would wager Right Wing Think Tanks love YOU blaming the anti-fascists instead of... the fascists. especially you scapegoating other progressives and the rhetoric of uncritical support for YOUR leader: "blue" no matter who, huh?
it's long past due for the usa to dismantle the flawed 2 party system. having to choose bewteen more or less genocide is not a democracy for those that are anti-genocide. yall gotta see past your current failing system and fight for broader ideals of accountable representation and anti imperialism.
Yes, "American Brain." From and/or in America. In a discussion of US Politics. How surprising.
The only way the two party system is getting dismantled by not supporting the DNC is by creating a fascist one party system, so great job.
genuine curiosity, why would you want to continue using a broken system with all of its guardrails for fascism broken off?
Ending this system doesn't defeat fascism, it creates it. He GOP are tearing the country down so it cannot oppose private interests.
The only way towards progress where nobody has to suffer and everyone is equal is to vote for progressives like the DNC and remove the GOP.
wait, i thought the meme in the og post is about Democratic incompetence in fighting fascism, and how they'll even sit on their hands and do nothing. is the reason you blindly support them because you do the same thing, yet somehow think they'll do all the work to fix everything if you just vote for them? you just want a Democrat Strongman/person to come in and set everything right if you just give them full control? well surprise, that's still fascism. that plan where "nobody has to suffer and everyone is equal" isn't working because while you're waiting to vote, millions of people cast as "unequal and inferior" suffer. and then AFTER you vote, your government will still be killing people around the world, and imprisoning people into ICE camps and industrial prison complexes, and perpetuating the exploitation of yourselves and others.
alright, i'm pretty done with this convo/argument, so i'll give some final comments and leave in peace. i will say sorry, for how harsh my words were; i probably could've said things in a gentler way but i just can't find those words still. voting is important, so it's frustrating to be saying that it's currently an unfair and broken system, yet be told to continue participating and accept it as normal. yall need to take collective action for labour strikes, weapons shipment blockades, community organizing and creating networks of care; the rest of the world is.
but anyways, i sincerely wish the best for you. bye✌️
The reason any of the bad things happening rn are happening is because the DNC do not have power, have not had power with any permanence in over a decade.
That's on you for allowing your party to push an unpopular candidate on the electorate.
Y'all didn't rebel against the DNC when they ignored the uncommitted movement and decided to just select a candidate who never won a primary. Y'all didn't rebel when she refused to condemn the Gaza genocide and admitted that she would continue to support it. Y'all didn't rebel when she refused to stand up to the Republican attacks on trans kids.
So, now y'all get to go fuck yourselves.
Nah you’re not in position to state that. If the alternative wasn’t worse enough then you are to blame. There’s no perfect candidate. Ya could’ve voted in mid-terms, gave low approval ratings, voted for your preferred candidate during the next DNC primary. Not when it’s against Trump and project 2025. That’s choosing a nuclear bomb over a run of the mill bomb; sure both are bad but one is catastrophic. You’re mad that people chose a less severe bomb because it’s a bomb but your anger allowed something significantly more catastrophic yet you want to sit on some high horse. Sometimes you’re choosing against two bad things, choose the less terrible thing.
If there’s an unavoidable situation where people will die 10,000 v 100 I’m going to choose the least damage. You’d let 10,100 people die
You're making an elementary political error here. In politics, you have to give a constituency something that they want or you could lose their vote. Harris gambled that she wouldn't need the anti-war vote. She lost.
Honestly, what is the game plan here? If you can get enough people to feel guilty about their vote, then they'll vote the "right way" next time, regardless of how bad the candidate is? When has that ever worked? Wouldn't it be easier to just get a good candidate?
Are you seriously trying to play this card? "She didn't pass a purity sniff test so we're gonna destroy our country and blame you."
Absolute fucking toddler level logic
Oh that would force Democrats to write a really strong worded letter. Probably multiple pages. You'll see.
Wartime measures
Keep it up and y'all are gonna make Hank Johnson bust out his guitar again.
Pokémon you can't go to the polls anymore.
Is this true ? Did trump actually do this ?
Genuinely asking, as a french citizen I haven't found any other mention of this anywhere
No, but Trump just recalled all the generals to make them watch a rambling speech where he said he's gonna deploy them to do whatever to protestors, bring back battleships, and use the military against "enemies within America"
Here's hoping the generals have spines
Here's to hoping they're not agreeing with him. Our true blessing is that he flew them around the world in a dog and pony show and had his chief alcoholic insult most of them a few times before he got on stage, so even if they agree with the idea, they won't like his actions.
We're not going to see a liberal coup in America.
No, but theres now a nonzero chance there's a Military coup against Trump,
the vast majority of the people in that Quantico gathering, are probably keenly aware that America is already more or less locked into a state of conflict with Russia and China, the war is already on and its just getting more kinetic as the months pass.
and then this coked out fuckwit brings them all together just to tell them he wants them to take their eyes off Americas actual enemies, the Russian Mafia State, the CCP, Iran, North Korea, etc. and to divide their attention to help stomp on what is essentially culture war enemies of the conservatives.
when you're already in the opening stages of WW3, Your enemies arent liberals or conservatives, educated and intelligent people especially those who are senior officers in the military dont think along those lines. this is just a radical civilian government asking the warfighting people to point their guns trained on the Russians and Chinese, and turn them around and point them at political opponents.
Trump's gang is essentially trying to do what Putin did in the 90s, and I dont think anyone in the command of the military is keen to actually put a Molotov to the country, unlike the Sycophants who all they do is talk to cameras and shitpost on twitter all day.
We're not going to see a liberal coup in America.
I dunno. They can write some pretty angry letters.
Every other military in the world would celebrate if the US decided to burn hundreds of billions of defence dollars on battleships in 2025.
Gee, I wonder what Putiny & Pooh will think of this when they hear the news...
No. As of now, this is still just a hypothetical scenario.
Seems like link to Trump's declaration should have hit my front page before the reaction. link? I could only find month old references, not that "jokes aren't the plan"
Newsom literally responding to the national guard & marines running his own state by making memes about the esptein files.