slrpnk.net - Hippies who like cyberpunk
Completely wrong. Anarchists who hate cyberpunk and want the opposite. Ecologically-minded communitarians. Idealists and hard-nosed pragmatists both.
Is that "solarpunk?"
They have a couple of good pages where they define solarpunk, I'll share a few quotes below too.
https://wiki.slrpnk.net/articles:whatissolarpunk
https://wiki.slrpnk.net/articles:manifesto
Solarpunk is a rebellion against the structural pessimism in our late visions of how the future will be.
Not to say it replaces pessimism with Pollyanna-ish optimism, but with a cautious hopefulness and a daring to tease out the positive potentials in bad situations.
Hope that perhaps the grounds of an apocalypse (revelation) might also contain the seeds of something better; something more ecological, liberatory, egalitarian, and vibrant than what came before, if we work hard at cultivating those seeds.
Solarpunk is a movement in speculative fiction, art, fashion, and activism that seeks to answer and embody the question “what does a sustainable civilization look like, and how can we get there?” [...]
- We are solarpunks because optimism has been taken away from us and we are trying to take it back.
- We are solarpunks because the only other options are denial or despair.
- At its core, Solarpunk is a vision of a future that embodies the best of what humanity can achieve: a post-scarcity, post-hierarchy, post-capitalistic world where humanity sees itself as part of nature and clean energy replaces fossil fuels.
- The “punk” in Solarpunk is about rebellion, counterculture, post-capitalism, decolonialism and enthusiasm. It is about going in a different direction than the mainstream, which is increasingly going in a scary direction.
Yeah, the cyberpunks are more prevalent on dbzer0, along with Pirates of all sorts.
piefed - no idea but judging by how people talk about it, Lemmy is clearly becoming too mainstream so some people feel they need to move into further obscurity.
No. Piefed is simply another piece of software with different tools that reads lemmy instances. It's not an instance in itself. piefed.social, which I am posting from - is the largest piefed (and original) instance.
I really like Lemmy on paper but good god this instance drama is off-putting.
You barely notice if you don't follow certain communities.
which I find silly altogether because people are specifically hyping fediverse because “iTs AlL coNnEcTeD” and “you are in charge of your feed”. I’m contemplating running one or two communities (and I’m totally fine with them being small and slow) but I don’t know where I dare to make them because apparently I’d have to be paying far closer attention to the nitty gritty of every bit of instance drama to make sure I’m not on “the wrong side”.
What are the communities you're wanting to make?
I don't think it matters as much as you think it does. However, for actual humanities subjects probably mander.xyz may be the best fit, as they're the instance dedicated to nature and science and AFAIK nobody defederates them.
mander.xyz states that the main focus of the instance is the natural sciences, and the scope encompasses all of the STEM fields but do already have philosophy@mander.xyz, history@mander.xyz and linguistics@mander.xyz (although those comms aren't very active) so I agree it seems to be a good fit.
Lemmy.world, piefed.social, lemmy.zip are all perfectly fine fits here. Hexbear and lemmygrad are blacklisted by most of the fediverse, beehaw does not allow new community creation by randoms anyway iirc
I run my own instance that has just two users. I Federate with who I want (including most instances you named). I subscribe to low drama instances like startrek.website and mander.xyz. I subscribe to communities from MOST of the instances you mentioned, but not a single one has drama (for example, no one on the lemmy.ml cybersecurity or selfhosting communities argues about politics... they just post and talk about those things).
I experience almost no drama. Two years ago, it was different, but I left those communities (but not even those instances) and just avoid engaging with those users (and it was honestly only a few very vocal users).
In my daily life, I'm involved with a number of protest and mutual aid organizations and I can tell you, the whole left is full of very vocal "my leftism is better than your leftism" people. But MOST people aren't actually like that... just the loud ones. If you challenge them in their spaces, not only will you end up on the receiving end, they'll turn you into one of them (I have been down that road a couple times). Not that they'll convert your politics, necessarily, but they'll convert your behavior. They create and feed off drama triangles and "I escalate, you double down, you escalate, I double down" feedback loops. This isn't unique to Lemmy. You can experience the same thing in your local hacker space co-op (ask me how I know).
Historically, leftist political and social discourse has always been like this, for all of history. It's not something special about Lemmy, it's in the nature of collective groups of humans interested in free expression, positive social change and social justice. We're angry, we're trapped in an abusive relationship with the Right and we all think we have the answers. The Left's greatest strengths and values (diversity, creativity, expression) are its greatest weaknesses. Same is true of the Right (conformity, hierarchy, rigidity).
I run my own instance that has [a few] users
Same.
I subscribe to low drama instances like startrek.website
Maybe not the best example! There was a ton of beef following the Reddit APIcalypse. There was a mod schism. I'm pretty sure if you're too critical of a certain series, you'll get banned by a certain user with an extremely delicate ego.
Honestly half of the list sounds like trolling.
Generous to say half, seems like all of it is a troll
I had to bite my tongue about the LGBT stuff, so yep I'm calling trolling
lemmy.dbzer0.com - Anarchists who hate tankies and any rules except their own, which are different and therefore better
I mean. The only real rules we have mostly surround don't be a dick and the bare minimum to manage a public forum. If you can't really pass that test then you weren't welcome in the first place.
Lemmy is what you make of it. You have to put effort into tuning your subscribed communities, blocklists, etc. There is no algorithm to filter the chaff for you. I see very little inter-instance drama these days because I've filtered it out.
You can blacklist instances on piefed as a user.
You can use instances like lemmy.zip and I believe lemmy.sdf.org if you want almost no blocking.
Yeah I block politics keywords for piece of mind. Excellent feature.
If you're going to reduce everything to caricatures then it's only fair that you also describe lemmy.world as shitlibs who simply prefer the wild blue raspberry flavor of capitalism.
No, you basically just accused other instances of being hysterical leftists that think everyone is a fascist.
A more accurate characturized way to describe them is reddit.world
Capitalism is the worst economic model except for all the others.
Defending capitalism by quoting a genocidal racist is more fitting than you might realize.
I note you didn't attack the substance of what was said, just who it was paraphrasing.
Blahaj.zone doesn't hate 'lefties'? It doesn't tolerate tankies but is very much on the lib-left side of things for the most part.
.ml has a bit of nuance not mentioned. Before the reddit exodus it was pretty much the only active instance and during the exodus it was still one of, if not the largest, before .world appeared. So a lot of communities and people registered to .ml, many have migrated away but plenty are still there that are 'general' users with no ideological alignment. It is also the instance made and run by the main lemmy devs.
And piefed really shouldn't be considered a new walled area, it interacts with the established lemmy instances its just different software from different devs. Same to be said of kbin/mbin which seems to be far less prevalent than it was.
lemmy.blahaj.zone - LGBTQ+ folk who hate tankies and lefties
Blahaj hates lefties? What do you mean?
the distinction I'd make for hexbear is that by user base it's also one of the major LGBT instances
not sure what "ultra-tankie" means in this context, because ultras tend to be less into lenin
gotta agree that the instance feuding is pretty toxic though
I didn't take offense! in fact I was making a joke of sorts, I understood your initial meaning.
I view my time spent talking politics on social media with people I don't like as self-harm, I try to minimize it generally.
You can always check lemmyverse, you can see the size of an instance blocklist and how many instances block it here:
https://lemmyverse.net/?order=active_month
I don't know of any good way to view that for all instances at the same time but /instances have a Blocked instances tab you can look through for each and every instance, f.e.
https://lemmy.world/instances
anything goes
As usual, "anything goes" means racism, homophobia, misogyny, zionism, etc...
That's why those instances are overtly and undeniably fascist.
Surely you’ve heard of Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance.
I've never thought about instance drama or worried about any of that stuff, I just hang out and interact with the communities I like.
Maybe you're overthinking things too much.
theres also intances where tankes create alts to bypass instance bans. not fault of the instance tho
Its kinda the point to me. I would like to see specific instances. Like there is one that was sorta an old school internet club that existed before federation but they made an instance for the members. Then like I totally think the world science fiction society should have one. It would make sense for them to not allow general comunities but instead put up a few for their things. Around science fiction literature. Then they also provide accounts to members. Maker spaces would be another. I would prefer a lot more smaller and niche instances than larger general ones.
There used to be more topical themed instances but some shut down
I mean I can see maker spaces shutting down but something like the science fiction society does the hugo awards and runs cons and their clientel are big nerds. It amazes me they would not run an instance. I mean instances like that would not have open sign up as an account would be part of membership but given their missions they are slam dunk for running certain communities.
As much as "instance drama" can be a bit tiring, I think it might be an inevitable outcome and shouldn't necessarily be seen as completely bad. My thinking is that instance drama would not occur if all the instances were similar, and that would be bad. As it is, there are actually differences among the instances and that's good - some disagreements due to those differences is inevitable.
Now, it would be good if we could agree to disagree and still be friends... but that also moves into the paradox of tolerance. But I would say most instances have nothing strongly against each other, despite any differences in moderation or rules or approach. The Pareto principle applies too... probably 20% of the instances are responsible for 80% of the drama. If you don't like the drama, try avoiding those 20% of instances 😅.
Been noticing that for quite a while now, each platform has their own cultures, even when there can be exchange between two or more. If an instance blocks another, I'd imagine it's due to differences in such cultures.
As an user for some 2 years now, I get an idea of the communities I'd rather avoid, but other than the most extreme examples, haven't seen much openly discussed about specific instances.
Now, I wouldn't worry about what people from instances x, y or z think if I were you. If you like how your chosen instance is, and people from other instances organize to hunt you down, seek your instance's support if needed, or simply block each and every one pestering you.
pretty much. yea
-"tankie"
Heh, it's not that bad.
anything else: either nazis or tankies depending on who you ask.
I'm curious what you've heard of jlai.lu, feddit.org, and/or sopuli.xyz. I suspect that, being more geographically-focused than the topic-focused or mindset-focused like most of the instances you've listed, they don't as easily fit into one box (other than the obvious france/germany/finland boxes).
Here on jlai.lu, we had a bit of a spat with hexbear a while back because we're too reactionary for their tastes, but even that feels mostly irrelevant nowadays.
The only drama I'm aware of (beyond the small spat with hexbear I mentioned) is how feddit.org's admins were extra cautious regarding discourse on Israel/Palestine in the wake of October 7th. Given the the servers are physically located in Germany (and as such apparently the admins can go to jail over their content) it was disappointing but understandable to me, and pissed off a lot of the more audibly anti-genocide and anti-imperialism users.
I think, sadly, this kind of tribalism is part of the growing pains for federated online communities, especially the more "Western" ones. Instances behave like villages or city-states towards each other, while in physical space we've all grown up and been socialized inside (comparatively) huge nation-states.
After "This isn’t my main account" I was expecting piping hot takes from the noblest edge-lord and was only slightly let down.
... and?
2 hours account, based on the other comments this seems to be borderline trolling
But why not use your main account? Creating an alt just for this question seems strange