Alberta woman dies after being denied transplant for refusing to get COVID vaccine
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On the flip side, transplant given to person who follows medical advice
She did several people a solid over the course of her senseless battle for the hill that she died on.
Bet she wasn't an organ doner though.
You didn't want those organs anyway. Lotta diseases in there
Good thing I've gotten the vaccines for all of them
Trusts doctors enough to be cut open and have someone elses organ inserted into their body. Doesn't trust doctors enough to get vaccinated
The comment below by nomadjoanne is incorrect, since a COVID-19 infection has a higher risk for myocarditis than what the vaccine can cause. However, I'm choosing to keep it up because there are a lot of comments afterwards outlining WHY it is incorrect, and that's helpful for dealing with the disinformation.
I'm open to reviewing this again if people think it should be removed anyway
The vaccine was clearly rushed into production and saved a lot of vulnerable people's lives. That does not mean it does not have risks that, for younger and healthier people, those might outweigh the benefits.
But public hysteria and groupthink dictated that it had to be coerced on people.
The vaccine underwent the exact same rigorous testing that literally every other vaccine or medication gets. The only difference is that COVID vaccines were given a free pass to the front of the line at each step necessary. As well, due to them having a much shorter timeline and higher competition, it was economical to run multiple tests in parallel that would normally have been done in series.
It wasn't "rushed" as in sloppy, it was "rushed" in that it was given priority in the various governmental queues.
Perhaps, now that the vaccine has been around for years and there's plenty of data on its efficacy and risks, you might cite some of those risks? Because the data I've seen shows that infection is still much worse for your health than vaccination, regardless of whether or not you are "young and healthier." I would be very interested to see what data you have that shows otherwise. I quite like being proven wrong.
That does not mean it does not have risks that
The benefits outweigh the risks, even in the young and healthy, so the vaccines are recommended to everyone.
The vaccine went so fast because most of the part was already known and they had solution for other covid variants. They only needed to adapt it to attack the correct part of this covid 19 virus. It wasn't a new study. It wasn't rushed. And this person wasn't healthy but terminal. Healthy, lol.
I don't understand this logic. It had to be quickly developed because the entire world population was affected by COVID. We're talking about millions of deaths. Economies halted, everything literally went stand still and you expected the vaccine to take 3 years to develop?
I'm sure it might have sounded scary to have medicine developed so rapidly but I don't think you realize the scale at how it was developed because so many countries and companies dumped a ton of money researching a cure out the door as fast as possible.
Sure there are side-effects but in that case the side effects were worth having versus the deaths of high risk individuals.
Edit: reduced sensationalism
Sure there are side-effects but in that case the side effects were worth having versus millions of deaths
I mean, one of the most commonly mentioned side effects was something that happened in a much more serious form with a real COVID infection. It's the easiest way to meet antivaxxers in the middle if they're arguing in good faith. Even if there's a significant side effect of myocarditis, it's not nearly as common or heavy as the myocarditis die effect of an actual infection.
As I recall, all the side effects of the Covid vaccines are side effects present with other vaccines, and they are all auto-immune responses. You are at a much much greater risk of all of those if you actually caught Covid.
I suppose there is a bit of calculus involved. If you are 100 times more likely to suffer from Guillain–Barré syndrome or myocarditis if you catch a disease, but the disease is exceptionally rare, it might not make sense to get a vaccine. In Covid's case though, a substantial amount of the general population caught Covid, meaning that the overall risk was substantially reduced by being vaccinated.
Some people just seem to have trouble with risks and percentages; shades of grey rather than black or white. Getting vaccinated isnt 100% the right call, it's only 99.99+% the right call. Ironic that the same people were totally cool with a 0.5% of Covid killing them, never mind all the other severe side effects. You were asking them to make a choice between 99.99% fine vs. 90% fine or 99.9999+% non-lethal and 99.5% non-lethal. You look at the relative risks though and the vaccine was thousands of times more safe than catching Covid unvaccinated.
Any sort of medical treatment has side effects. For instance I got diabetes, you know what the side effects of using Insulin is? Death. Do you know what the side effects of untreated diabetes is? Death. Do you know what the side effect of life is? Eventually death. We are all going to get there someday, but I mean might as well stretch it out as long as possible, way I see it. There's so much I want to see, after all. Are the Leafs ever going to win the cup? Am I ever going to see retirement? Do I ever get my Corvette? This lady in the story is never going to have any of those answers, because they were too worried about side effects.
That's what I don't get about these people barking about the side effects, I mean it might kill you or make you stupid, sure (I mean it's possible, but highly unlikely). But so can falling out of bed in the morning. Or you know, COVID or whatever other disease you are trying to prevent. Was it raced out? I mean, sure. But pandemics, you know? Not a lot of time on anyones hands. And I'd say they've been pretty god damn effective. Like they bitch about shutting things down and the economy and mAH freedumbs, but then they bitch about racing out the vaccines, it's like shit, what can we do to make you folks happy here?
because the entire world population was dying from COVID
Okay I'm no anti vaxxer but this is just going to get you laughed at by the people you're trying to convince.
About 1% was at risk of death, and that's no small number, and we all had to get vaccinated to protect them, and that's fine. But outright stating the entire world population was dying is just laughable sensationalism.
If you want to convince people, you're never going to do it with sensationalism, especially when that sensationalism is so dramatic is flat out wrong.
This is an oft quoted anti-vax meme and has no connection to reality.
Here is the truth.
Come back with credible, peer reviewed data or fuck off back to Facebook.
This woman died because of lies written by around a dozen people and spread by crushingly ignorant people like you. You're so confident in your stupidity that it's laughable. We literally don't care anymore. Take the vaccine, don't take the vaccine, we don't care. We've moved on from you.
It was overwhelming hospitals, which means people with other problems were dying, because ambulances were not getting to them, surgeries had to be postponed. If all your firefighters are sick, more people will die in fires and accidents. If a high number of people in a society get sick that society is breaking. No law enforcement, no health care, no working government, no grocery store.
You are one of the people that complain when action is taken and works that that action wasn't needed because it wasn't that bad and when no action is taken how bad the government is. And Covid wasn't at all the worst it could have been. There will be a next virus in the future and people like you will not have learned anything from this one and drive us into an even worse crisis, just by being stubborn.
Best counter point is y2k.
Huge publicity. Massive amounts of money spent.
New year 1999/2000 was uneventful (except for parties).
..... Y2k was a hoax, waste of money.... Wut?!
It wasn't. There's is proof of such. It was removed/mitigated by a huge effort of developers.
"We spent millions of dollars and a year preparing and NOTHING HAPPENED! All that time and money wasted!"
You are one of the people that complain when action is taken and works that that action wasn’t needed because it wasn’t that bad and when no action is taken how bad the government is.
Yup, that's basically the entirety of the whole anti-vax thing in one sentence. Vaccines have been so effective at eradicating so many diseases people don't have a concept of have deadly diseases can be and can't grasp why getting a vaccine is so important to protect them from disease.
Stop watching the news man. None of what you said actually happened.
It did not happen because most people stayed at home, were wearing a mask, followed social distancing rules, were working from home, kept their children at home, washed their hands and got the vaccine when it was available. Again, it did not happen because we stopped it from happening and now you go "it wasn't that bad" ignoring the billions of people who stopped it from getting that bad.
It's like "seatbelts are against my freedom" and when everyone wears one to go "look people don't die in car crashs that proofs seatbelts are unnecessary and only made up by the news" when the reason for them not dying is that they wear a seatbelt.
The vaccine, a mysterious injection that was forced on the population, created by big pharma who has a repuation for dishonesty for decades. Comparing this to seatbelts is a horrible comparision. Seatbelts BTW are straps you wear to ensure you do not go flying out the wind shield during a car crash. No mystery around that, no closed source injection being pumped into your bloodstream when wearing a seat belt.
And COVID mass deaths would of not happen if life was allowed to go on as normal. There were places like South Dakota that did nothing authoritative and I do know South Dakota still exists, life goes on.
Again, stop watching the news. Unplug from the matrix and then you will see the source code to all of this madness.
Economies halted because the public freaked out. The vast, vast majority of healthy people were absolutely fine. Most of those who died, with respect, had relatively few years of life left anyway.
Society should strive to keep these vulnerable people as safe as possible. But I personally think it was incredibly unethical to shut down whole economies just for that.
Still waiting for you to cite the risks that outweigh the benefits, now that too much time has passed for you to still thing of it as “rushed”.
Don't forget dying on that hill.
Still waiting you to cite that they don't.
This is a burden of proof fallacy right here. Classic.
They have to prove it's safe, not vice versa.
Typical leftist authoritarianism. Classic.
They already did, that was done before they launched the vaccines. You still don't think they are safe, so now it is up to you to prove why. Which you can't, because you have nothing but your feelings to show for it.
They did but it was an abridged version shall we say. Which is fine. It was an emergency and the law foresees this.
But the cultural shift towards harm avoidance at all costs and general authoritarianism (as clearly on display here on this site) led governments the world over to, use heavy handed tactics, shall we say, to get people to take it.
I am absolutely not against the vaccines. I got three doses of Pfizer. But I am profoundly against the heavy handed tactics used in deploying them.
They completed all of the normal testing. The mRNA vaccines technology is decades old. They did all of the normal testing but the stages were done in parallel and pushed ahead of everything else in the pipe. Had any stage failed the approvals would not have been given. This is an anti-vax meme but it is completely false.
But I am profoundly against the heavy handed tactics used in deploying them.
Ah yes, the heavy handed tactics of checks notes zero consequences to the people who didn't take it.
A lack of privilege is not a consequence. Receiving an organ donation is a gift, not a right.
Fact of the matter is there are a lot of people waiting for organs, whomever you give it to somebody else is going to die. When you get an organ transplant you have to take medication that leaves you immuno compromised.
So you have two people in front of you in need of an organ but only one organ to give it out. One is up to date on all their vaccinations and has been following their doctors instructions. The other thinks they know better than their doctor and has refused to get vaccinations. Which one of these two people do you think will have a better chance of surviving longer once immnuo compromised from the transplant?
"Woman who refused vaccine gets organ transplant, dies of COVID a month later" is a much shittier headline.
I was in Spain at the beginning of the pandemic. The bodies they were stacking in the back of army trucks because their mortuary system had collapsed were not fine.
That might have happened in a few cases. I don't deny there was a real pandemic and vulnerable people were dying.
A few years ago corpses were rotting in a basement of Universidad Autónoma becauae too many people donated their bodies to science. What's your point?
Neurotic authoritarian.
Cool dude. You sure owned me.
Sorry I didn't take the bait. Better luck next time.
Neither did I. You were the guys who dogpiled on me.
I think you may be too delicate for social media.
Very true. I have been sobbing for hours
You owned yourself but were too stupid to see it.
You don't have the remote idea of how vaccines eradicate illnesses.
Why aren't all the vaccinated dead yet HMMM?
Someone needing an organ transplant doesn't sound like "younger" or "healthier" people.
According to your criteria, regardless of vaccine efficacy: this sounds like someone that should have been vaccinated.
This is stupid on several levels, but I ain't got time for all that so I'll just point out that this lady wasn't younger or healthier, given that she died without an organ transplant, and had she received a transplant she would be one of the vulnerable people on immunosupprressants. So even this stupid ass argument doesn't apply in this situation.
Ah yes the young healthy person who needs an organ transplant. Can't forget about that demographic.
What messed with your brain
Blocking this shit, and reporting.
Why don't you idiots stay in your safe spaces?
It's ok to be autistic. You don't have to try and blame it on a vaccine.
Wow. Just wow.
She died rather than accepting a free to her, safe, and effective vaccine.
Well the vaccine could have killed her!
Yup. Literally the worst thing that could have happened to her had she taken the vaccine happened to her because she didn't take the vaccine. Maybe they'll put a monument to her on top of the hill that she chose to die on.
They actually might, it's Alberta
Let's not paint all Albertans as the same. There are dozens of us who are sane.
And free 5G service for life.
I was hoping to turn into a magnetic monkey with 5G tracking chips. No such luck.
The best few minutes of the pandemic for me was watching my 15 year old autistic daughter disassemble and completely humiliate a reality-denying mid-50s angry man at a farmers market. It was glorious.
Your daughter sounds like an awesome young woman!!!
Thanks. She is pretty awesome. Three of the people there to witness it, two labour negotiators and a "consultant" to CSIS, approached me the next week to say how impressed they were. She was clearly angry but she knew the data and presented it effectively. He slunk off after that. It was true awesome.
I had a double lung transplant 6 years ago. You have to be EXTREMELY compliant to even get put on the list.
So many meds and tests and shit stuff you need to follow EXACTLY, every 12 hours, every day, for the rest of your life.
If you refuse a vaccine you're never going to care for your new lungs. It's not easy.
Nope. That's why the courts allow transplant coordinators to require that you be vaccinated. This vaccine was so incredibly safe that it's ridiculous that she chose to die rather than getting it. I mean, literally the worst thing that could have happened to her because she got the vaccine happened to her because she didn't get the vaccine.
This vaccine was so incredibly safe that it's ridiculous that she chose to die rather than getting it.
Unlike the transplant meds. Pretty large increase for cancer from them.
Seems weird to refuse a COVID vaccine, but be fine swallowing a ton of meds every 12 hours that increases your risk of cancer significantly.
Obviously me and many others accept that increased risk, because like you said, the other outcome is just dying straight up.
In the end I'm glad the organ went to someone else who will respect and appreciate it.
I have a background in chemistry. Early in the pandemic when all the anti-vax nonsense was at its peak I took a look at the ingredients in the three main vaccines in Canada (A-Z, M, and P). For the most part they all included:
mRNA which we all have in our bodies all the time
4 salts of which one was table salt
4 fats of which one was cholesterol
and sugar.
That's it.
While I do agree the vaccines are safe enough, saying "mRNA which we all have in our bodies all the time" is a bit misleading. The number of ways an mRNA strand could mess you up is astronomical.
It is not misleading at all. Every single cell in our bodies contains mRNA at all times.
What are these ways that mRNA could mess you up of which you speak?
Every single cell in our bodies contains mRNA at all times.
That's like saying computer viruses are fine because they're made of code, which computers are already full of.
We're full of mRNA, sure, but we're full of mRNA that's supposed to be there.
What are these ways that mRNA could mess you up of which you speak?
I'm no biologist, but perhaps mRNA that creates a prion?
Sure, mRNA could be created to create a prion but the mRNA in the vaccine does not. It creates a small fragment of protein similar to a trans-membrane protein on the covid virus.
I assumed that you had concrete information to share no just wild anti-vax fear mongering.
Lol, the wild anti-vax fear mongerer who said "I do agree the vaccines are safe enough" two comments ago. Really seems like he has an agenda here
Concern troll.
I am not calling into question the safety of these vaccines. They are safe.
I'm pointing out that just because something is a salt doesn't make it safe (see Sodium Cyanide), and just because a compound is mRNA doesn't mean it isn't dangerous.
If you base your assessment of the safety of a drug on the premises you laid out instead of on controlled studies, you're no better than anti-vaxxers.
I am very well aware that you are just being an argumentative pedant. I've been dealing with people like you for years so I recognized it right away.
I am not calling into question the safety of these vaccines. They are safe.
Yes, they are.
I’m pointing out that just because something is a salt doesn’t make it safe (see Sodium Cyanide), and just because a compound is mRNA doesn’t mean it isn’t dangerous.
All four of the fats in the Covid vaccines naturally occur in or bodies.
All four of the salts in the Covid vaccines naturally occur in our bodies.
The tiny fragment of mRNA in the Covid vaccines is perfectly safe.
The only molecule in the Covid vaccine that is absolutely, provably killing many, many people is β-D-Fructofuranosyl α-D-glucopyranoside.
If you base your assessment of the safety of a drug on the premises you laid out instead of on controlled studies, you’re no better than anti-vaxxers.
There WERE controlled studies. Many controlled studies. The main vaccines are demonstrably safe.
"If you are not a scientist, and you disagree with scientists about science, it’s actually not a disagreement. You're just wrong. Science is not truth. Science is finding the truth. When science changes its opinion, it didn't lie to you. It learned more."
How was I supposed to know from your earlier comment that you weren't literally saying "the COVID vaccine is safe because it's made of things similar to stuff in our body"? 🤣
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Highlighting her fundamental lack of critical thinking skills.
Fact is, there's more people in need of transplants and simply not enough viable organs to go around.
I'm not going to fault the transplant committee for denying someone over a vaccine. Simply, why give this very finite and very precious resource to someone when they're just going to go get themselves unalived over something as dumb as a 100% preventable disease or something just because they have a brain malfunction that makes them think vaccines are bad. Especially when so many other people are literally dying without the same organs, who are more than happy to follow doctors instructions to ensure they can live a long and prosperous life with the replacement they desperately need.
It's all rather silly.
The thing that probably bothers me the most about organ transplants in general is that if cloning research and stem cell research was allowed to proceed properly, it's entirely possible that science could find a way to grow you a replacement of your own organs.... Apart from genetic problems causing organs to fail, it would almost completely eliminate the entire demand for organs. But no, some idiots don't want cloning because it upsets their imaginary friend.
On a related note, go fill out your donor card people. Even if you're one of those "nobody will want my organs" type of people, do it anyways. The transplant people will figure out if your organs are viable when you no longer need them anymore. Let them figure that shit out for you. Just check the box to be a donor and don't think about it any further.
On a related note, go fill out your donor card people. Even if you’re one of those “nobody will want my organs” type of people, do it anyways. The transplant people will figure out if your organs are viable when you no longer need them anymore. Let them figure that shit out for you. Just check the box to be a donor and don’t think about it any further.
and the stupid rumour about "the doctors will kill me to save 8 others" is bullshit. I am glad my donor signed. His wife said she didn't want him to, but seeing me live because of his selflessness made her reconsider, and she tells everyone to be a donor.
That rumor flies in the face of the first rule doctors vow to uphold "do no harm".
IDK about you, but killing someone for their organs is pretty damn harmful for the individual "donating" their organs.
It's a different story if you're braindead or hurt to the point of being capable of recovering at all, even with all of the modern science and medicine that is available.
Don't just put it on your license either. In many places that isn't legally binding. Have a conversation with your partner/children/parents who are going to have legal authority over your body while brain dead and tell them you want to be a donor.
How's life as an immunocompromised person in the last few years?
Better the organ saved the life of a non-moron.
True dat.
Language will evolve naturally over time. But to claim that hoping your children are intelligent/physically healthy is a form of eugenics is absurd. If QAnon was left-leaning, this is the kind of shit they would say.
What I said and what you said are not the same thing.
However, you win the gold medal for mental gymnastics.
I believe that that man was made of straw.
It's funny when the trolls come out to play and no one picks up what they're putting down.
I could definitely see this person being a troll. What’s wild though is that it seems the linked article was written in earnest.
I think it's really funny that no one is taking the bait. All of the responses have been simple, on point, and non-engaging. That's how you deal with a troll.
Disability studies, disability justice, disability theory, crip theory… lots of keywords for you to start googling. The other poster isn’t wrong: prioritizing intelligence and health in a child is the theory behind the practice of eugenics. Yes, these are strong words… but they’re not wrong.
Are you still here flogging this outrage porn? No one is interested.
I am. Disabled people are. People who work with disabled people are. I understand that this topic doesn’t interest you, but that doesn’t mean it’s not fucking important for a lot of us.
You're trying to hijack a conversation that has nothing to do with your rage. It doesn't belong here.
I think that people who are unvaxed shouldn’t get priority for transplants.
Even so, it’s not inappropriate to call out ableism in any topic. If somebody was racist, or sexist, or discriminatory in any other form, would you say, “Hey, we’re not talking about racism — stop hijacking the conversation”?
EDIT: For everyone else reading this: This is what people do when they feel uncomfortable with being called out. They deflect, refuse to admit they could be wrong, and stop engaging. That’s actually a fairly normal response. It’s hard to admit that, for example, ableist comments can be as harmful as racist comments. It’s okay to stop talking as long as one doesn’t stop thinking.
We're done here.
I wonder if you’d be able to take a step backward and consider that the linked article was written in earnest because it reflects a valid way of looking at the world that you may never have considered before. People disagreeing with you may not actually be trolling, but presenting their own valid beliefs. Look up disability studies, disability justice, and/or crip theory.
I agree that hoping for an intelligent and physically healthy child definitely reflects an ableist worldview. This is basic disability/crip theory.
For those who are going to argue: wanting an intelligent child is ableist because it implies that people who are intelligent have more worth than people who are not. It’s assigning the value of a person based on a pretty narrow and Western conceptualization of how people think. A person is valuable not because of their intelligence, but because of their existence — all are equally valuable because they’re people, and everyone is equal. The same goes, believe it or not, for physical disabilities, including health. If you disagree, then you think that not all people are equal, which is problematic, as problematic as hoping that your child is straight, or male, or has blonde hair and blue eyes.
That's retarded. People can want what they want. The implications and conclusion you jump to sre you-problems, not reflective of society.
Oh shut up already.
no, you.
no u
What do you mean I have to stop drinking gin if I want a liver transplant?
Patient dies because she didn't follow doctor's advice.
Why would they want a liver transplant in the first place if they didn't drink gin? Doctors not thinking it through
Not remotely comparable. There is no reason to believe she is getting a transplant as a result of covid.
You're less likely to get a transplant if you're more likely to ruin it based on your lifestyle.
Well a hospital in the US didn't seem to think so. I suppose that's one of the benefits of a less centralized system.
Yeah, the great US health system
You will note I was making a point about one aspect of the US health system. Not all of it.
Yeah but throwing an organ away with someone that will die anyway refusing treatment just because they paid or because your system is incapable of transporting organs to better suited donors is not exactly a "benefit".
If you aren’t gonna take steps to protect yourself, you’re not worthy. There’s a long list and many people who will work hard to safeguard such a gift.
Most definitely.
“Taking this vaccine offends my conscience. I ought to have the choice about what goes into my body, and a lifesaving treatment cannot be denied to me because I chose not to take an experimental treatment for a condition — COVID-19 — which I do not have and which I may never have,” Lewis said in an affidavit.
I guess she died with a clear conscious. 🙄
Seriously though, taking an organ from the waitlist and then inevitably getting COVID while immunocompromised is .. not very cool.. for the next person on the waitlist.
They don't give organs to alcoholics who don't stop drinking either.
Good luck getting a heart of you refuse to quit eating a hamburger an hour.
Look, you have to pass a baseline level of taking care of yourself to qualify for an organ, and vaccinations are the bottom, base level first line of defense.
Yup.
She probably should've gotten the vaccine, huh?
And suffer the potential consequences like a mild headache and a sore arm for some days? Never!
What a dumnass. In her Pyrrhic victory not to be made into a 5g zombie (or whatever nonsense she might have believed) she stood her ground and died like an idiot. She gets no tears from me.
I've had...4 different vaccines.
A-Z sore arm for a day and a splitting headache for two days. ASA resolved it.
M sore arm for three days and a mild headache. ASA resolved it.
P x 2 no appreciable sore arm and no headache.
PBiV - no appreciable sore arm and no headache.
Tfw you call Aspirin ASA.
ASA stands for acetylsalicylic acid, shortened to aspirin.
Don't forget being banned from eating in restaurants where the owners put up "we don't call 911" signs and Salad isn't on the menu.
That sounds like a win to me.
It isn't the choice that I would have made but it was her choice to make.
And it’s her choice to live die with.
Yes. Every choice we make has consequences. Some bigger than others.
It's probably better for society that she didn't.
This is such a paradoxical statement, because if she did get the vaccine willingly, then no one would consider her to be an idiot and thus see no issue with her getting the transplant.
So what you are saying is if you don't act like an idiot, nobody would perceive you as an idiot? Yes that is generally how society works.
Transplants are incredibly strict about you not just wanting to live, but doing everything you can in order to live. It is good that the transplant went to someone with a sense of self-preservation. Utter waste on the likes of her.
What a bonkers hill to literally die on.
If you make being petulant your entire identity...
Petulant is such a great word for all these people.
It applies equally well to the tantrumists who blocked the border crossings and shit all over the street in downtown Ottawa.
Yea but think of all the libs she owned
As a lib.. I feel so owned.
"Taking this vaccine offends my conscience. I ought to have the choice about what goes into my body, and a lifesaving treatment cannot be denied to me because I chose not to take an experimental treatment for a condition"
Hun, you're not the only person who is looking for a transplant. If you're not going to protect yourself from COVID-19, you don't get the organ. Plain and simple.
Yup. The courts have long held that being vaccinated can be a requirement of getting an organ transplant. Organs are hard to come by and they should go to the people who are going to listen to their doctor and do what needs to be done to keep that organ alive for a long time. If not, it should go to someone who will.
I put on the mask months before it was required because it was the right thing to do. I kept wearing the mask for months after they were required because it was the right thing to do.
You put on the mask when you were told to and took it off when you were told you could.
You call me sheeple? Give your fucking head a shake. You anti-reality cultists think with one brain and it isn't yours.
I'm not sure whether I take more offense to people still calling the vaccine experimental or thinking it's a treatment. Being so desperately against something without bothering to even pretend to understand what it is or why irks the shit out of me. Good riddance.
It would mean she had to admit she was wrong.
THIS is the key point. She had made this her entire identity. When billions of doses had been administered to billions of people worldwide and none of them became magnetic, or sterile, or had tracking chips installed, or got 5G, or turned into monkeys and the world went on with life while she slowly killed herself while wailing about the injustice...she would rather die than admit that she was wrong.
It's worse than just being stubborn though. Being wrong and not willing to admit it is petty, but people are willing to go much further (up to dying, apparently) if they're too willfully ignorant to even be open to the possibility they could be wrong. This is some dark ages shit, and it's terrifying how much of it's out there in the wild.
For an "experimental vaccine" it's had a pretty amazing job at limiting the severity of covid and reducing deaths. If only all experiments were that successful
Atleast she’s consistent🤷🏿
You'd think if she really wanted to live she'd jump through any amount of hoops needed, you know like your life depended on it.. apparently not
Woman chooses to die in favor of the comfort of stupidity.
Solution: Get vaccinated. (It's Postmedia, so odds are pretty good the story is exaggerated or outright fake)
Even if it’s not fake… this is kinda how it is. You’re required to jump through so many hoops to get a transplant. One of the steps is to suppress your immune system, and not taking one of the required vaccines increases the chances of not only your death, but the waste of the organ.
Agree. Vaccinations are important, especially in the case of transplants.
It is not fake, this has been going on for a while now.
https://www.canadianlawyermag.com/news/general/alberta-court-of-appeal-rules-transplant-candidate-must-follow-mandatory-covid-19-vaccine-policies/371335https://www.jccf.ca/supreme-court-of-canada-declines-to-hear-challenge-to-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-for-transplant-candidates/
The important thing is that she stuck to her principles. :/
I'm sure her family agree.
rip bozo. That was her fully conscious choice to die
Tragic, one more victim of a toxic belief
Good. These people paid their nickel and took their chances. It's not anyone else's fault that they made a stupid bet. It's no different than those whiners suing over their stupid NFTs being bad investments.
damn that sucks better luck next time tho
one less cooker, more air for everyone else
Natural selection. Idiots will remove themselves from the gene pool.
sure owned them
I feel super-owned!
This is how kinks are acquired isn't it?
Sure, she might be dead, but the libs have been owned! Who's the real winner here?
I think this was more about petulance. She had made refusing the vaccine her hill to die on and nothing was going to dissuade her.
I swear that stubbornness kills more old people than anything else. Won't go see the doctor, won't listen to the doctor, won't take their medicine, won't do exercise, won't change diet, won't quit smoking, etc. They should list "stubbornness" as the cause of death.
I hear that.
It will be "See! This vaccine killed this woman!" They will just leave out that she refused and didn't actually take the vaccine. I remember seeing a few people claim that some of their friends took the vaccine and they died, even though they never did and was very anti-vaxx.
Nobody wins
No actually, the person next on the transplant list is the clear winner here
Yeah, there was exactly one deserving winner here.
In the end, when it became clear to everyone that the vaccine was safe and effective she had made refusing her entire identity. She felt heroic. She just couldn't bring herself to give up her crusade and slowly died because she was stubborn.
I'm sorry she was ignorant, but I'm not sorry to have one less ignorant person around.
I can respect her. She was stupid, but hey, at least she was not a hypocrite. If there were more stupid people who weren't hypocrites at the same time, life would be a little bit easier.
Ok
Apparently, being argumentative about topics she didnt understand was more important than being alive.
Someone said, "If you disagree with the experts you don't have a different opinion you're just wrong."
Is this the new location of /r/HermanCainAwards?
Looking forward to reading the comments section of this article right after I finish my broken glass cocktail.
It will be a fetid shithole of nonsense spewed by a number of people who speak with great authority about things they know nothing about and rights that they don't have or don't understand.
I don't want medical assistance, but not like that!
Willing to be cut open, have an organ removed, and replaced with an organ from a dead person but not willing to have a safe and effective vaccine because it became part of her political identity. I suspect that it was ego that prevented her from accepting the vaccine once she had made up her mind.
You can't fix stupid.
Oh no! Anyway...
Yup.
It's God's plan, not for the likes of you or I to judge.
If there is a god, who has a plan, which involves absolutely everything that ever happens (by virtue of it being planned out by an omniscient being that therefore would know and take into account exactly what will happen when making any plan), would not you judging said plan, if you do so, necessarily be part of the plan in the first place and therefore be for you to do?
Can god microwave a burrito so hot even he couldn’t eat it?
Yes.
It really doesn't. Things shouldn't have come to this in the first place.
I am pleased when bad things happen to harmful people, yes
Knowing how dumb they were, I can't deny the world's probably better off
People think it's hilarious to reference the Darwin awards and say shit like "thinning the heard" but that shit is all based in eugenics which is largely based in ableism and that line of thinking has real life implications.
It's a shame ableists don't actually give a shit.
Stop being offended by absolutely everything and I promise your life will improve.
You're the one here who can't tell the difference between stupidity and cognitive disability.
Guess which one you are?
I'm dying.. This comment is fucking comedy gold.
Hopefully he forgets about the "you're" at the beginning by the time he gets to the question at the end.
Good.
I don't see it that way. She was fed a diet of fear and hate and made an extremely bad choice. Her family is grieving because she made this ridiculous choice.
You make it sound like she was a helpless child. She was a fully grown woman responsible for her own actions.
Yes, but she was a dumb, incredibly gullible adult who was fed a diet of lies by people who didn't give a shit about her.
It's her fault she fell for it.
Exactly. Who feels bad for that idiot who got swindled by scammers? Not me.
I think we can agree that gullible people were victimized for someone else's benefit.
But she became irredeemable as well as oppositional. So she wasnt going to get heroics.
She died from her own petulance.
If she gave 2 fucks bout her family and how they would feel, she would have got the vaccine and then transplant. She rather chose to be a brainless foot soldier for the people who duped her
Sorry. Don't have time to feel bad for every idiot out there
Stupid people commit suicide in lots of creative ways. It's not news.
Bye.
Unfortunately, natural selection.
The article says she has grandchildren, so her genes are still very much out there. Natural selection only works if it can get to you before you reproduce.
I mean...the reality is that 100% of people who get the covid vaccine are going to die after getting the vaccine. Some of them it will be almost 100 years after getting it but they're all going to die.
@MapleEngineer Herman Caine award
This is a fine wine of schadenfreude!
I would never wish death on anyone or celebrate anyone's senseless death and this death was truly senseless. I feel bad for her family.
@MapleEngineer Interesting that there is a Wikipedia article on it. I have a close relative who was an ER nurse in a deep red state when the pandemic hit. Lots of deniers, refused to mask up, infected all of the caregivers who were overwhelmed with the sick and the dead. They didn’t have enough beds or morgue space. So I have zero sympathy for people who put others at risk. There are a million dead, ironically many of them Trump voters. I give zero fucks for the antivaxers.
[Lawyers for AHS] cited a national consensus statement — developed in November 2021 and subsequently accepted by all Canadian transplant programs — which found a 25-30 per cent mortality rate in patients infected with COVID post-organ transplant.
July 2022 - Court of King’s Bench, Justice Paul Belzil - "...subjecting clinical decisions to charter scrutiny would create “medical chaos,” with patients seeking “endless judicial review of clinical treatment decisions.”"
November 2022 - Alberta Court of Appeals, Justices Frederica Schutz, Michelle Crighton and Dawn Pentelechuk - “Ms. Lewis’ COVID-19 vaccination status is not who she is,” the court wrote. “It is not an immutable personal characteristic … her choice not to get vaccinated against COVID-19 is just that — a choice.”
June 2023 - Supreme Court of Canada - refused to hear appeal.
She got what she wanted. Post it everywhere.
Good
Colonel Nicholson: Yes, Clipton. I understand, truly. But don't you see it's a matter of principle? If we give in now, there will be no end to it. No!
Major Clipton: Sir, we're lost in the jungle, a thousand miles from anywhere. We're under the heel of a man who will stop at nothing to get his way. Principle? No one will know or care what happens to us! Give in, sir! Please!
I guess she thought she'd win like Nicholson.
Wonder if she gets any of this funding
Nope.
Those of you seemingly celebrating need to slow down and take a look at yourself.
Canada is a fucked up place
That is sad and discriminatory.
No, it's not. Organs are hard to come by and the courts have long held that organ donation networks can choose recipients based on the highest likelihood of success including vaccination status. She chose to die rather than getting a safe, effective vaccine. It was her right to make that choice but, like every choice we make, that choice had consequences.
It's definitely sad, but not discriminatory. Organ transplant recipients generally need to take a lot of immunosuppressive medications. Getting fully vaccinated is a bare minimum for improving the likelihood of a successful transplant.
Pffft.. What do they know?
I know, right? They think they're so smart with their fancy robes and law degrees.
Oh. It absolutely is, lol? 🤡
"I declare it!"
Discretion, not discrimination
You can also be denied a transplant for bad hygiene, missing appointments, being too old, or any other reason that makes them think you wouldn't get the most out of the organ. Not following your doctor's instructions is definitely going to kill your chances - if you refuse to be vaccines, what happens if you decide maybe you don't need to take your immunosuppressants? Or you decide you could probably drink a bit just this once, no matter what your doctor said. You can destroy a transplanted organ with one bad decision
A new organ isn't a right or a privilege, it's triage. There aren't enough to go around, so medical ethics dictate you first save people who are dying, but are most likely to be savable - refusing a vaccine is a serious risk factor
Sad but not even slightly discriminatory. She made the choice and suffered the consequences.
It was discriminatory, just not bigoted. Medical professionals have to be discriminating in who gets organs, because there aren't enough for everyone. They rightfully, necessarily discriminate against people who will not significantly benefit from the organs they have, including against antivaxx morons.
There's all sorts of shots, need meds, treatments you have to keep up with sheet an organ transplant She made it clear that she wasn't going to follow those directions, making it a waste to give her an organ transplant.
A bit of a semantics thing but it's not discrimination because they're subjecting all organ transplant candidates to the same requirements. Discrimination has a specific meaning in a Canadian legal context.
You and @Holyginz are just using different meanings of the word from each other.
discriminatory
adjective
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Marked by or showing prejudice; biased.
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Making distinctions.
Organs go to those who follow doctor's orders. The unvaccinated are not a protected class.
If you can't even be bothered to get vaccinated, you can't be trusted to keep up with your treatments and meds required for an organ transplant. If she's not gonna trust science and doctors, why should they waste their time and a good donor organ on her?
There's a very high likelihood she would have died if their gave her the transplant without her being vaccinated. A transplant is already a huge stress on a body and if you're not vaccinated, you have a high chance to die from something as simple as the flu or a staph infection, due to all the immunosuppressant meds required.
Edit: Staph not staff 🤦♂️
staff infection
Staph infection?
Yeah, that was what I meant. Thanks for catching that.
No one is entitled to an organ. She understood the consequences of a choice, and she made her choice.
I don't think she understood any consequences of any choice ever.
Do I think she really sat down and did the internal cartography we all need in order to grow as people? No. Do I think she was competent enough to understand the concepts of death and 100%? As well as anyone, well enough that I don't think that it's reasonable to take the decision making power from her.
I disagree that any decision making power was taken from her.
She was given instructions from a her doctors: get vaccinated if you want a transplant.
She chose to not follow those instructions.
I think her failing was, was that the disinformation she'd internalised some how made her think that the imagined risks of the vaccine were worse than guaranteed death from not getting a transplant.
I suspect she'd had a privileged enough life that the consequences of her making poor decisions like that were minimised: right up until the consequence was significant: death. Even then she failed to make a rational decision.
It only discriminates against people who refuse to take simple basic steps toward self-care.
Stupidity isn't one on the list under which it's illegal to discriminate.
personally I think its fucking hilarious and just
edit: aw the poor cookers feeling upset their deaths are laughed at?
Choosing to make stupid decision about your health is not a base for crying discrimination