Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to China Winning the AI Race
7mon 11d ago by lemmy.zip/u/schizoidman in technology from gizmodo.com
He also had strong opinions about people's "god-given" rights to eat a hotdog and flirt with someone who isn't their spouse.
False dichotomy, much?
Crazy fucks do that sometimes. I wonder why people still listen to them.
"Owner of surveillance apparatus reckons we should all just chill and accept total surveillance"
This fucking dude.
Like seriously, in what reality are these two things NOT mutually exclusive? Also doesn't palantir have contracts with China?
I'd rather be a free and open society than win any kind of industrial race.
"It's just... We're named after the artifact the ancient evil used to peer on the world."
he has several companies named after lotr things, ANDURIL,mithril i think, lembas,,,etc.
That's my point. He is enough of a fan to know the connotation. He knows what the name implies, and company names are a deliberate choice that imply things about that company.
I wonder if this is a “Star Trek is a conservative show” sort of thing. Like he’s genuinely not smart enough to actually understand what is right in front of him.
I mean it probably isn’t, but it also wouldn’t surprise me to find out that the whole deeper meaning of the entire thing was entirely lost on such a shallow excuse for a human.
Peter Thiel explicitly sided with Sauron in an interview, because “things work in Mordor, while outside Mordor it's all wishy-washy and environmental”.
I wonder if this is a “Star Trek is a conservative show” sort of thing. Like he’s genuinely not smart enough to actually understand what is right in front of him.
That is exactly what this is, conservatives pride themselves on having a toddler's sense of media literacy, especially the men.
It is a reoccuring pattern enough that I have seen multiple video essays on the general topic that try to unpack the different reasons because it is so confounding from the perspective of being a normal well adjusted adult.
I think it is a part of the same core thing as conservative humor being embarassingly bad, formulaic, weirdly cruel to specific groups and just plain not funny almost as a rule.
Not to sound like a tankie but China has made smarter decisions with regard to power generation. The current shift away from renewables (and shift back to fossil fuel) AND more reliance on central power generation are great for billionaires but just dumb for every other reason. And with the what appears to be advancing in battery technology more distributed solar cells with local storage would free up more power for the power hungry data centers. Not to mention the AI programs there are not run by douchebags like Sam Altman and Mustafa Suleyman.
I also think the current path of AGI study via more advanced LLM research is the wrong path. A language generator is never going to be “smart”. But what do I know, I don’t have billions of dollars and lie constantly.
It's not Tankie to admit aspects of reality. China is doing some things well. China has spent the last 20 years investing in itself, America has spent the last 20 years investing in other countries for a possible ROI for the military-industrial complex.
What would be Tankie would be to then extrapolate from that and say they're actually the best state in the world and anyone who says otherwise is a imperialist brainwashed pigdog.
So we need to start covert anti-corruption efforts n China, since China will win, we don't want a single party member destroying the world...I don't know what we can actually do, but it is crucial for the human race that China develops more benevolent values if at all possible.
I don’t know what we can actually do
Make it easier for Chinese Nationals to study abroad, educate them on the idea of government transparency, separation of powers, checks and balances, the idea that government legitimacy comes from the people, idea of social contract, etc.... Hope they bring back the knowledge to fix the country from within.
(Btw, Overseas Chinese helped topple the Qing Regime and ended monarchism.)
I get a sense that in the CCP, you wouldn't get into any position with actual influence unless your peers and superiors have some leverage on you (they know you've done done shady shit which they can expose if you become a nuisance).
So in that way, actually interparty radicalism is curtailed.
Yeah china made the selfish decision to completely ignore the climate change agreements and continue to scale fossil fuel infrastructure.
Both CCP and US Republicans are evil, but republicans are also stupid.
Evil would obviously win against Evil+Stupid
Not that. Because their IP and copyright and patent laws are softer, and also more bendable. In practice those laws don't matter much.
Now "AI", surveillance and such are ways to bypass those stricter laws on IP in the west. Technologies exist in some socioeconomic context. A big company doing surveillance and "AI" breaking those laws doesn't expose that it breaks those laws often, and when it does, it can sustain pressure to get its way.
So the appeal of these technologies is to launder data. Which is, fundamentally, same as perfect obfuscation of executable code. And other such things.
That's money against right, money wants no reverse engineering, no alternative compatible software, no examination of what their stuff does, and no responsibility for the data used. While in right, of course, examination and compatible tools being possible and verifiable supply chain and so on are basic for industrial civilization.
"A surveillance state is needed to beat china who is evil because it's a surveillance state"
"we need to win the surveillance state race"
The difference between developed world democracies and other governments is that all opposition parties are allied with CIA and by transposition, Israel. Divisiveness purely to achieve maximum corruption is formula for rulership, and praising "freedom supremacy" is just a tool for corrupt warmongering. The only protection from CIA overthrow is to fight their hybrid control, and disruptive terrorism, operations. Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens or economic pluralism. If surveillance allows unattended ebike charging, and no crime, then that is a net benefit compared to loss of making WInnie the Poo jokes.
Palantir, more than all other US tech oligarchs, is dedicated to Israel supremacy, and Israel/Palantir now embraces full Trump/MAGA platform because fascism is more pro Israel/Oligarchy than pluralism. The absurd pace of AI investment in US is entirely based on the certainty that the US govermnent/military will buy all of the datacenter time. Destroying US economy to feed tech and climate terrorist energy oligarchs.
War on China and Russia is a losing proposition for both humanity and the west. Collapse is destined because for the last 25 years, "we must bankrupt ourselves, or humanity wins" has been the bipartisan CIA/Israel mantra that no one ever challenges, and news media feeds 24/7.
All big tech is firmly allied with US empire, and all of them are very polite to MAGA/Israel, with data collection used to help it. Palantir has the software to mine it effectively. US oligarchy, Palantir/OpenAI/Oracle/Tesla has been especially desperate this week. All the money, explicitly, must be given to them or China wins. It's not even core science/technology anymore, its pure software/datacenter oligarch giveaways needed.
Chinese government is not trying to oppress their citizens
yes they are
I will never understand the hypocritical surveillance state apologism when it comes to China or Russia on this site.
If China's surveillance state was purely for the benefit of their citizens, they wouldn't need such an extensive censorship apparatus that frequently censors minorities and minority beliefs (e.g. LGBT topics) as well as content that reflects particularly poorly on the government.
Precisely. Just ask Naomi Wu (SexyCyborg) how much she enjoys the surveillance state, how much she enjoyed being disappeared for a few months, how much she enjoys being told not to do any more techno State Resistance content, and how much she enjoys being able to leave but can't, because her partner is queer.
Really, its a bunch of people who either like being in an in-group and/or they like feeling superior/powerful by promoting authoritarian communism.
So no different the America. Just that America is going after the "Illegals" right now.
why is this the staple response? "yeah but america"
Right? How about neither option? How about Authoritarianism is bad, regardless of who's doing it?
exactly.
Two things can be bad at the same time.
I will never understand the hypocritical surveillance state apologism when it comes to China or Russia on this site.
People get brainwashed to conform, when they don't like a side they urge to pick another
If China’s surveillance state was purely for the benefit of their citizens, they wouldn’t need such an extensive censorship apparatus
The freedom to lie and defraud, with money = speech, therefore money = terrorism, fraud, oppression is not constructive. Divisiveness and hate is not constructive. Inviting CIA to dominate your country's speech is inviting terrorism, fraud, oppression as we see in every US colony.
Repressing American Oligarchist values propaganda is necessary for any constructive society. Nothing about them has the slightest humanist value. Gay pride is just as much a supremacist overstep as religious pride. AFAIK, there is no criminality (even in Russia) for homosexuality or religion. The supremacism is oppressed. CIA needs the divisiveness of supremacism/evangelism in order to destroy/conquer vassals.
There's a difference between the freedom to be gay (exists in Russia), and the freedom to advocate for LGBT supremacism with CIA funding.
This seems like a) you didn’t read the article, and b) that you yourself are homophobic.
article is about lgbtq organizations. This is not the same as sodomy, cohabitation/partnership prohibition laws. ie. it is not the same as being gay.
Most important to pressure/get Russia to adopt progressive values, and help against climate terrorism, is to stop trying to destroy it.
I already said you didn’t read the article. You didn’t have to prove it.
AFAIK, there is no criminality (even in Russia) for homosexuality or religion.
You don't know shit about fuck.
It's hard to tell if a post like this is intentional propaganda, or just "the enemy of my enemy must be my friend" brainwashed babbling.
I think fundamentally a lot of people do not understand that just because China and Russia (or a number of other countries) are in opposition to the US doesn't inherently make them "good." They're pretty much all shitty too, just in different ways than the US, yet actual problems get brushed off as "the loss of making Winnie the Poo jokes," as if not being able to make jokes on Weibo is the problem.
Instead of "China is not trying to oppress its citizens" it'd be more accurate to say that China is not in the state of advanced decline that requires [as much] oppression of its citizens to maintain power and control. Everything else, unfortunately, is spot on.
Even left as-is, it's a far cry from "intentional propaganda". What motive would there even be to spread such? Do you imagine hordes of self-hating Americans, Chinese bots and shills, and China stans are behind every post that criticizes the U.S. and praises China? Or that someone somehow managed to "brainwash" a significant portion of the population into believing complete fabrications and/or turning their allegiance to China?
The reality is that most people have a far easier time believing pleasant fictions and ignoring inconvenient facts than they do swallowing their pride and conceding to an enemy. On the Internet it's pretty much everyone, and the rare exceptions must be eradicated. Case in point.
"x country has GOOD state surveillance of its people. Not BAD surveillance of its people like Y country" can only ever be propaganda.
its silly to pretend otherwise and we're not having a serious conversation at this point.
But I do imagine that every single post which promotes, as a positive, the oppression of a people's freedom and dignity by their own government, is either propaganda or the product of a loathing so deep it manifests in an illogical rose tinted view of any perceived competitor.
Western governments are complete fucking corrupt shit. China's simply is not, but at very least, not purposed to collapse and destroy itself or its society. The propaganda mill is the one telling you your democracy is working. If only DNC can regain power, then we can fortunately restart the full fledged support for war on Iran and Russia, and finally achieve Trump's 5% of GDP for military spending target.
Look at Covid response. Is trying to keep deaths at 0, oppressing its people? US government policy was to destroy blue cities through overwhelming pandemic, and side with those complaining about the inconvenience of public safety, by forcing workers into the crowded mines.
I didn't mean to imply that China's government is perfect. But as long as CIA desires its destruction, divisive/treasonous/oligarchist speech cannot be permitted. My main point is the absolute complete corrupt evil shit our governments are. The megalomaniacal alliance forces world to be shit too, though, to return to controversy, the free world is actually the non-US aligned world.
Democracy in general is supposed to lead to truth and pluralism. An establishment preferring to retain power will fake democracy as a tool to validate that power. This/democracy provides the result you deserve.
Two things can be bad at the same time.
Everybody Sucks Here
a surveillance megacorp says surveillance is good and needed. cartoonish evil.
Man who is the CEO of a business selling mass surveillance beyond the likes of even George Orwell's 1984 says we should run head first into a surveillance state from which he will directly profit from.
Breaking News.
Man with vested interest in selling his services, insists buying his services is the only way to save us from the evil foreign menace
If you read his book The Technological Republic, he calls for a « collectivist » ideology and the merger of corporation and state. A few historical examples to choose from would be Fascist Italy, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia or Communist China to get an idea of his vision for America’s future.
What? The man who rivals the spying ability of many nations isnt totally on the up and up? Whuda thunkit!
...the 1984 Macintosh commercial...
he calls for a « collectivist » ideology and the merger of corporation and state
Collectivism my ass, neither he nor any of his fellow billionaires will ever relinquish ownership of their companies. They simply want to also own the state and rule like feudal lords.
Boy I wish we as a society would stop reporting on these sociopathic vampires spouting whatever nonsense just popped into their heads
How would you know that they are sociopathic vampires if no one reported on what they believed in?
By the sheer amount of accumulated wealth.
The only important indicator. Everything else is window dressing.
It actually indicates just how much of a sociopath he is, because we’re I that wealthy I’d sure as hell shut the fuck up and enjoy life.
There's research that shows the process of accumulating so much wealth both selects and creates sociopaths. This is why they're very overrepresented in the upper class. Sure, not all of them are. Maybe you'd be the exception. I also think I'd be the exception but I'm not too confident. :D
psycopaths, to be able to reach that wealth one needs to have those amoral tendancies, ALSO BEING born into wealth or inhertited alot of wealth (like hundreds of millions or more) helps alot to jumpstart that, because you already entitled from being that rich. theres a reason universities like harvard, stanford breed alot elitist graduates.
Exactly because you'd be the exception there's almost zero chance you'd ever get to that point. Most people simply don't have a need to try to become even more wealthy after a certain point.
Like, when all your needs and wants are met, and you still have plenty of money to live that kind of life for the rest of your life, and your family also has enough for a comfortable life... Most people prefer to have less stress, they work less or not at all, or you venture into stuff that maybe makes less money (or none) and you do it for other reasons like altruism or just having fun.
To want to be worth billions takes a completely different character, one that craves as much wealth or power as possible.
In this case we should indeed report on them because it is not much clear to the public what palantir does and they have ties and contracts with the government
The public needs public mass surveillance on CEOs and the top 1% only. They are the top threat to the world
1000% this.
They're predators, both sexually and economically, and society has let them get away with their plans for far too long.
There is that quick and funny operation that you can do using guilotine (or anything you can get your hands on if you're creative enough!) that significantly reduce the need for oversight. I agree we should put monitoring around the mass grave in case those ghouls can actually get up. It's a stretch, but better safe than sorry.
Sure but it’s looking a lot more likely that the mass graves will be for the working class
Actual humans believe life without Palantir is preferable to China winning the AI race.
True
Well this Palantir the originals can stay, those that were not lost.
His head on a pike would be preferrable to both.
Legalise it plz.
I can't wait to see this guy hanging by his left nut while people take shots at him like a piñata.
its nothing more than a creation of thiel, a soulless puppet animated from various materials.
Ahh yes. The only 2 options
This guy needs to fuck right off.
Right off the face of the planet and into the sun.
Seriously. Can we please launch Peter Thiel into the sun?
Aliens (even illegal ones) are preferable to an asteroid strike, too.
Too bad they aren’t mutually exclusive.
what about illegal space aliens.
Let's put cameras in all his houses and monitor him 24/7. Maybe he'd like it though?
us winning the ai race. china winning the ai race. who gives a shit i still wont care about ai.
"First one to rid itself of its human workforce" makes the race sound less enticing.
Hell no
Let me second that... Oh hell, no
The what race? No one has been working on AI for a while... if he means LLMs and similar generative models there's only the race to see how long it takes for the models to be so poisoned by being trained on their own slop that they no longer can produce the illusion of giving useful results (seems like the current generation is almost there, already giving diminishing results), and the race to extract as much money as possible from the economy before the first one ends and the bubble pops...
No one has been working on AI for a while...
It's rage bait.. Or the guy is an ego centric arrogant who thinks the reality is in his 15 headlines a day.
....what?
LLMs are AI. What is this?
I am asking seriously. Can someone explain the context of this nonsense?
Are we really entering a luddite phase again?
Doesnt matter if we take LLMs out of the equations. AI is being worked on in many forms constantly.
Palantir is an example, which makes the statement laughable.
Right.
AI has been worked on for generations. We've been benefiting from the fruits of that labor for a long time, mainly starting with search and translations.
Now we have the ability to have a conversation with machines and it is somehow not intelligence?
I am really confused.
Intelligence does not mean consciousness or alive. It is means intelligence, which can be summarized as advanced pattern matching & predictive behavior.
A beetle is intelligent and alive. Is an LLM more intelligent than a beetle? What about an image classifying model, like CLIP? It can perceive and describe objects in an image in natural language, what insect can do that?
This is a form of intelligence. It was artificially created. It is artificial intelligence.
We can criticize the corporate and investor approaches, mourn the loss of purpose for many workers and artists, without being delusional about what this technology is.
I understand where you come from with the beetle example, though I would still consider most living creatures more intelligent.
But it is a diffenition of intelligens we debate now. The beetles intelligens is not interesting for us, but it sure is capable of image, sound and movement capabilities on a much higher level in real time.
This is a form of intelligence.
It's really not though.
No they're not. They're fancy autocomplete. Statistics engines. Extremely more expensive but not particularly more capable Markov chains.
Them being marketed as AI doesn't make them AI, it just makes them a scam.
The thousands of researchers researching it all conspired together, naming it wrong, just to fool you, the one true expert for AI!
Or its just real AI.
Technically, LLMs aren't ai. What they do is basically predict relationship between words. They can't reason or count or learn.
Exactly. Nothing technical about it: they simply produce the statistically most likely token (in their training model) to follow a given list of tokens.
Any information contained in their output (other than the fact that each of the tokens is probably the most statistically likely to appear after the previous ones in the texts used as their models, which I imagine could be useful for philologists) is purely circumstantial, and was already contained in their training model.
There's no reasoning involved in the process (other than possibly in the writing of the texts in their training mode if they predate LLM, if we're feeling optimistic about human intelligence), nor any mechanism in the LLM for reasoning to take place.
They are as far from AI as Markov chains were, just slightly more correct in their token likelihood predictions and several orders of magnitude more costly.
And them being sold as AI doesn't make them any closer, it just means the people and companies selling them are scammers.
"Technically"? Wrong word. By all technical measures, they are technically 100% AI.
What you might be trying to say is they aren't AGI (artificial general intelligence). I would argue they might just be AGI. For instance, they can reason about what they are better than you can, while also being able to draw a pelican riding a unicycle.
What they certainly aren't is ASI (artificial super-intelligence). You can say they technically aren't ASI and you would be correct. ASI would be capable of improving itself faster than a human would be capable.
You are a pedant and a fool.
Careful, my other comment got removed because of a witty but still insightful dig.
They are very sensitive here about how the AI isn't really AI.
Palantir CEO Says a Surveillance State Is Preferable to
China Winning the AI RacePalantir shareholders not getting rich fast enough
Fixed it
False dichotomy.
If you've never seen this guy giving a talk, it's worth looking at. This guy is a total tweeker. Can't sit still, and has insane thoughts he's just willing to say in public.
What's crazy is I agree with some of what he says, but disagree entirely with his company.
Basically, he says the Antichrist promises security in exchange for giving up your freedom. However, his company does exactly that, it promises security in exchange for taking away freedom from the people. So at best he's a hypocrite and at worst an accelerationist.
I agree that people are willing to trade freedom for security, but I disagree that's what governments should do. Governments need to protect freedoms first, and security second.
Oh! This must be the guy who was called out on that exact thing and it gave him serious pause before he was able to jump-start the bullsh-tting part of his brain.
You're not going to beat the Chinese government by being worse than them. You beat them by helping the Chinese figure out the Chinese Government is bad. By being worse than them you just set yourself up to be destroyed the same way they will be.
It’s not possible because China censors all the information online that may lead to any mass actions. The Great Chinese Firewall is real and works wonders against foreign interference while China can keep interfering in other countries’ affairs with little to no pushback because of the freedom of speech
It's not just possible but inevitable, and the more oppressive they are the sooner it will come.
I am sure people used to think the USSR would last forever, too. After all, how could people rise up when every free thinker was being worked to death in a Gulag?
Enumerate the ways the Chinese government is worse than the US government. Take the plank out of your eye before complaining about the spec in theirs.
You don't get it, surveillance is fine when a private company is hired by the government to do it. /s
Never forget PRISM.
That's freedom surveillance! Flock AI cameras at every corner tracking your every move and feeding directly to racist corrupt militarized cops is A-Okay, because China is the real evil.
Two things can be bad at the same time.
I literally cannot think of a single way that it is better.
Its an ethnostate committing genocides in its own soil, a religious theocracy that destroys ancient temples, an aggressive expansionist military state with constant highly funded and organized propoganda, it bullies and destroys ships fo being close to their favorite spots in the wide ocean, and a single party with president for life dictatorship. They've got a massive and increasing homeless population because the government gets to decide where they "live". They do pretty good on pollutions per capita but now they're trying to grow their capita again. The use financial coercion and manipulate markets at every opportunity even going so far as to mass produce products at a loss in order to push others out of markets. The fund fucking Iran and the Taliban to wage proxy war, and are as active in South America as the CIA ever was.
And thats only the recent shit they've done, the same party has been in power since Mao fucking Zedong was starving tens of millions of people for literally no reason.
And, you can even blame the current turn for the worst that the USA is going through on them because they explicitly endorsed Trump and spread promotion of him through TikTok in a bid to save their psyop from being banned.
Can somebody please hack this guys socials and leak all his private info so we see him eat his words?
Ask AI to do it
Punchable face.
Also, Butlerian Jihad When?
It is sad and mystically abysmally ironic that all the books written about dystopias are seemingly being read as manuals
the muad'dib manual.
Wait until they get to Leto II
i wish i could palantir my nuts on his face
Fuckin lunatics.
Fuckin lunatics with money, power and agenda.
How would a surveillance state even prevent that?
If you beat them at it, they can't do it themselves! Duh! Oh, wait.
Look at this unfuckable loser. He's like if someone glued Steve Bannon's pubes to Steven Miller's head. "Let us destroy all freedom in the USA so China doesn't win the race to economically out-compete the USA" is as bullshit a justification as there has ever been for anything in the history of everything.
This is Bubble-101. Before the thing exists, imagine the future...
threatening that another country will get there first combined with pure players like Nvidia, the uncertainty of whether or not it could be a good investment and being able to convince governments and investors to pump money into it.
If AGI ever becomes what they are promising, everything after 2022 should be a case study for marketing and communications students because they are doing a piss-poor job inspiring confidence and just sound like grifters.
I'm feeling really bad about this. I'm an avid global index fund investor (if I can even call myself that by the sums I put in) but seeing this shit unfold...I haven't put anything in this month and I'll be looking to invest in bonds or something.
Putting my money into funds that are even partially invested into this suddenly looks really, really unsafe, even if these funds are generally really good long term.
S&P490 has been flat at ~ -0.1 Yoy, so yea of the US economy feels pretty shakey apart from the top10.
It's probably a much more prudent thing to diversify into either PMs or other markets, but it's tough to know which other market is actually good...
Yep, the only reason I made money this year is because I invested continuously... I'll find something stable soon.
Any ways to actively help China win the AI race?
Hypothetically, of course.
Other countries are doing it to themselves, no need to do anything explicitly.
I mean, look at the shit hole that is the U.S. now. They are u doing themselves just fine and giving victories to their adversaries.
We are going in that direction. Data centers being built all over the place is the very foundation for tracking every human on the planet.
I think future generations will not have any ability to go online, shop, work or live without a real id tracking everything about them.
You voice your concerns about something unpopular online, you may be blocked from taking a loan or work a job. Fear of stating your true opinion will be everywhere.
It won't even be obvious to you it happened or what may have caused it. Some AI algorithm determines you are an un-citizen and checks a box. Rejections keep coming back as you slowly fall down the social ladder, or not so slowly at all, until you become the invisible poor and disappear altogether.
Yeah it will just be talking to an AI and getting automatic rejections of any complaints or concerns. Pretty much like trying to reach a person at Google today, but worse.
If people dont put their foot down and start saying no to these data centers, it will be too late.
I listen to this guy on YouTube, just a normal retired it worker that makes good videos about life. Today he posted about a data center and how the community worked together to stop it:
At least I'm stateless! So, I'm not in their database. Though they'll probably would've already deported me at this rate if my skin color wasn't white. That and I don't even have social media at all that can get me arrested or barred from a job which is already happening in real life in this hell hole of a world.
Honestly we are already in the surveillance state as well. Ring cameras are connected to Flock. There are also cheap Flock cameras popping up everywhere with solar panels that almost no one ever wanted or voted for as well. People are already getting arrested for crimes they didn't commit and even instantly arrested for just having a smartphone with Google Maps (BTW this goes for any shitty android device running Google Play services even with third party Maps applications) near a crime scene. Remember America is the country that arrests you first and asks questions later.
If you wanna truly get out of the system. Go to some private property you'll never get the chance to own and live in the middle of bumfuck nowhere. With a bunch of movies and tvs shows and games and music and podcasts. Become self reliant on nature and live off the grid. If you need groceries don't take a smartphone. But rather use dedicated devices for everything like a physical GPS and an MP3 player for like background noise or something to that affair. Bring a feature phone and curtail saying anything illegal over SMS and VOLTE which is unencrypted. Save that shit for like the people on session who you talk to and avoid messaging apps that want your phone number.
You know become a Tech Linux Youtuber. But like not a facist and not a Youtuber. Or the average 4chan /g/ guy they want to be on that website. Remember to also wear your tinfoil hat and that you also cannot stop the burgeoisie from stomping on your face forever. You still need to work and pay property taxes at least! Lest you have the government come check up on you and shoot up where you live and bomb your house which is also something we do here in America especially to paranoid types. Private property is a lie and you never owned anything as well.
All of the US colonies, implementing age id verification for everything is to ensure direct control of any dissidents to US empire/oligarchist supremacy.
Every day that goes by I better understand what Ted Kaczynski saw.
The same people that experimented on him psychologically in college are the same people who prop up Palantir.
Not saying I agree with what he did or what you said, but facts are facts.
He was part of some of the same experiments that were a part of MKULTRA.
The whole reason China winning would be bad is because of their surveillance state ensuring no one gets around their curtailment of civil liberties...
China has higher government approval rates than any western country. The whole "Chinese surveillance state" myth stems from western media propaganda. Go ask a Chinese person about the dreaded "social credit score" system and they literally don't know what it is, it's just western lies. The west has literal journalist prisoners like Assange, the UK is enjailing people for supporting Palestine, and heroes like Snowden had to migrate to other countries due to political persecution for revealing the depth of the western surveillance state. It's all projection with China.
i know real Chinese people who left china because of how bad it is there, not because of socialism, but because of the government surveillance and how they treat people.
I've directed the Master's and Bachelor's thesis of several Chinese students here in Europe, and literally all of them except one have returned to China because life there is better. The one who stayed, personally told me that he used to be Chinese opposition, but after some years in Europe seeing the shitshow we have and the impending rise of fascism, he's not as critical of the Chinese government anymore.
Your sample is biased: you've only spoken to the Chinese émigrés, so you're suffering from survivor bias.
sounds like the ones who pledged allegiance to the party.
Sure, buddy, everyone who reinforces your worldview from your limited sample is a true Chinese testimony, but the 99% of Chinese who choose to stay In China are the brainwashed hivemind.
The culpability and misdirection of western states is not evidence for the innocence of China or anyone else.
The original comment is specifically about comparing China to the west, hence discussing "who should win the AI race". I'm responding to that comparison
You can see the surveillance and self censorship by spending any amount of time on a Chinese app like Red Note.
Unlike western media, famously owned by altruistic people like sociopath Palantir collaborator Zuckerberg, or Twitter being owned by a literal sieg-heiling Nazi.
You can see the censorship by opening Russia Today in the EU and seeing how all Russian media has been banned, such freedom of speech and anti censorship in the west, threatening to ban Tiktok because it's not controlled by American corpos! Surely no censorship on Reddit either or YouTube!! It's literally all projection
Ah yes, the west is a shitshow, so that somehow makes anything China can do ok.
You are going to live under China, better do something to make sure we SURVIVE.
The original comment I responded to was comparing the west to China and saying that the reason why China shouldn't win is because it's more repressive. I explained how that's not the case, so me comparing to the west is relevant in this instance.
I dont quite understand your second paragraph, care to explain?
2nd paragraph: China has an industrial base that can no longer be competed with. This is the winning recipe, so they will likely control the world.
So how well all of humanity fares, depends on how the leadership in China decides to treat us. If we end up with say, a chinese Trump, we are done for. If we end up with some miracle in China where the leader is actually kind of benevolent, humanity has a shot.
We should invest everything we can into ensuring the later.
China has an industrial base that can no longer be competed with. This is the winning recipe, so they will likely control the world.
I fundamentally agree. I don't think it will be direct control, but I think China will have a lot more political power in the coming decades.
So how well all of humanity fares, depends on how the leadership in China decides to treat u
Seeing how China has no recent history of violence and hasn't participated in wars for the past 40ish years, I'd say it's much better than the warmongering USA empire self-declaring itself "the world police". We've seen how well that worked for Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Korea, Laos, Cambodia...
If we end up with say, a chinese Trump, we are done for
Thankfully China has a communist party in government, and no fascist parties like the Republicans or the slightly less fascist Democrats.
We should invest everything we can into ensuring the later
Surely the warmongering and genocidal western countries, responsible for the almost total extermination of native Americans, the enslavement of Africa and Asia, and invaders during WW2 (biggest armed conflict in history) aren't the ones most indicated to make decisions in this regard.
It does not matter what system is in place, if bad people get into power. That is the key thing: preventing that from happening. This makes fighting injustice, and an emphasis on humanitarianism critical. If you get a sadist in power, or a tough guy that has darwinist-like beliefs, it's all over.
Whoever rules China in the age of technology will be god-king.
that still doesn't absolve what china does.
The original comment I responded to was saying "we don't want China to win because it's very repressive". If the west turns out to be at least as repressive, this argument disappears, which was my entire point.
no it doesnt, i don't want any of them to win.
Wow, you solved geopolitics! Now that you bravely exposed your point of view, both US and China will stop the AI race!
The post, and hence the comment to which I'm responding, is about China vs US. You may not like the comparisons I'm making because you love your status quo of western dominance, but they're entirely relevant to the post.
Can you tell me what notable event happened in China on June 3, 1989?
Hah, you're so freaking original, mate! I bet nobody ever here heard of that one!
But sure: on June 3rd, 1989, after weeks of protests in Beijing (not in all of China), some violent western-funded protestors murdered some PLA soldiers. Violence ensued (funnily enough outside Tiananmen Square, despite what western state propaganda tells you) and some people died in clashes between police/military and protestors. Ultimately, a western-backed colour revolution was averted, and thankfully the Chinese government still exists, providing the world with 95ish% of the solar photovoltaic production :)
murdered some PLA soldiers
people died in clashes between police/military and protestors
In the Xinhai Revolution, they killed Qing troops. I don't see anything wrong with it.
So now "violence bad"? I thought y'all are advocating for Americans to overthow the US regime. So... is violence okay or no?
I'm gonna quote your leader:
革命无罪，造反有理！
You're not quoting my leader, I'm a Spaniard.
So now "violence bad"? I thought y'all are advocating for Americans to overthow the US regime
Violence in itself isn't great, but it can be justified depending on the degree and the goals. Seeing how China saved 800 million people from poverty over 30 years, I think some violence consequence of disturbances isn't unjustifiable, although can be criticized. The US on the other hand murders 500.000 people abroad yearly since 1970 through economic sanctions and blockades, so I think violence to remove this regime could be justified.
China has higher government approval rates than any western country
This is how we know you are arguing in bad faith. Surface level analysis...
Some stupid ass logic
I mean, from his perspective, having nothing to lose (besides his soul, ofc, but that's for silly people 🙄), of course!
You think the Palantir CEO has a soul? You gaze into that orb once and it's game over
This guy is the maker of surveillance states.
Of course he does. But false dichotomy aside, China has a good chance "winning the AI race" anyway. Given their existing work, the investment they're doing in higher education, the additional internationally trained talent they get every year, and the industrial base that lets them make cheap energy and hardware, I think at the very least China has a decent chance to create equivalent tools at a lower price than whatever the US AI industry creates. If they come out with a competitive hardware and sell it at lower margins, along with free models as they already offer... I think a lot of firms and governments would opt for that instead of paying for NVIDIA and OpenAI.
If any of you dumb fucks don't think we already live in a surveillance state, you are part of the problem
The biggest conspiracy theory of my lifetime was the government was intercepting all communication and it was proven completely true.
Not MY Surveillance! YOUR Surveillance!
-Palantir CEO!
Spoken like a true surveillance-state shill.
anything is preferable to people like you
CEOs are getting too comfortable again. One needs to be pew-pewed in the streets to thin the herd and guarantee next year's harvest!
what an absolute piece of human turd. most likely stinks like shit around him, every time he opens his mouth.
These things are completely orthogonal.
You make Karp sad. Why won't you buy his profit-driven narrative?
I know I’m supposed to be better than this, but what the absolute fuck is wrong with bro? His entire vibe is off. What the fuck is with that hair? Why is he calling everything baller? This is some Zuckerberg lizard person shit all over again a person who thinks that hair works and talking like that sounds fucking cool can’t be an actual human what in the weird ass shit.
He named his company after his forehead
What an absolute cunt
Eh, no.
"now if you just sign here to buy our Stasi-Bot..."
Wow, they really are just gonna make you kill them eh, for like, no good reason.
seems like less of a threat than US bases surveillance/MOSSAD assisted tech.
Alex Karp thinks people only care about one kind of surveillance. And he thinks he will alleviate our fears if he gives us a pinky promise not to surveil us in that one way.
That way is cheating.
He later brings this up again, saying that most surveillance technology isn’t determining, “Am I shagging too many people on the side and lying to my partner?” Your guess is as good as any as to what that’s all about.
Well, thanks for clearing that up, Alex. That was indeed my sole concern.
(The rest of the article is full of indecipherable quotes from Alex, which demonstrates you don't need to be smart to be rich.)
It may be even better than sliced bread.
or when they dont have a "good head" on thier shoulders.
Hot take from Tech Bro Bevis
Why can't we win the AI race and still not have a surveillance state? Those don't seem like they have to be linked...
Because this would be bad for his business
because the government subdidizes the company that would have the survellience tech, which is stable profit.
AI race to the bottom. Ever thought of asking the people instead?
I hope he puts some camaras near his house. Then we'll all know where he is at all times.
How do you win this race? By having the most capable unsustainable LLM? Not sure if I care...
The Singularity Trap by Dennis E. Taylor (2018) The book defines a sci-fi universe where humanity must escape from an overwhelming AI entity. The solution, as demonstrated by the main character, is to be turned into a machine using nanomachines, yet somehow retain one's humanity. When I raised the issue of this kind of story's inherent paradox and flawed logic—where the solution to saving humanity from an AI entity seeking to destroy all natural biological life is to turn into machines—people responded that they still enjoyed the narrative. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised if this idiot's stament gathered widespread support.
Palantir CEO will be among the first to be lined up against the wall when the revolution comes.
just call him by his name ffs
"When did Saruman the white abandon reason for madness"
Why would being just like China, be worse?
It's funny how many governments are getting surveillance wrong. Mass surveillance and aggregating the data with other social network databases is where the danger is at. Personal surveillance is right up there with recording authorities abusing their power and protecting your home. Ironically, the reverse is happening. The same governments where laws like GDPR criminalize personal surveillance also sign up for palantir's services and mass surveillance systems as they allow companies to no longer give a shit on their websites about the GDPR and effectively allow them to collect all the personal data GDPR was supposed to protect. People shouldn't be so keen to disseminate public videos onto social networks, but they should definitely be allowed to record and submit them to the authorities or to the courts if necessary.
Not recommending anything, but; with all the guns Americans have, its pretty wild that such people is still here. Apparently, schools are an easier target..
How is scaring away smart people going to help you against China?
Nothing is permanent
I can think of one thing that's pretty fucking permanent...
Let's not say that too much, and eat a needless ban, shaln't we?
(I know I butchered it, and I am not sorry)
I know naught what you mention. Myne words only make mention of the Shaft.
Can thyne dig it?