Oh! Here is terminal for you
6mon 17d ago by programming.dev/u/mod_pp in linuxmemes from programming.dev
Typing in powershell? How a about a bing search of Windows Power Settings? Not even the settings menu, just the fucking web search.
Best match
Sure thing, bud 😂
It even recognized the local app that matches, how on earth is this a better match
It's all relative. Best match for their user analytics. So they get good numbers to show user engagement in their board meetings.
Accidental clicks are engineered to juice those numbers too.
Best Match... for Microsoft's pockets.
One pays MS per click.
What is more infuriating is that they frequently don't show the app / applet you are actually looking for until after they load a web result - which results in your muscle memory and just hitting enter working against you.
The sort order is Microsoft profits
I keep a small Win11 partition on my 2022 gaming laptop in case I need to take a cert exam or use a gov website, and I booted it for updating for the first time in 6 months. It took over 6 hours and 6 reboots to update! At one point, it was going bu-ding every minute from random notifications so I had to mute it.
Meanwhile, my 2012 Thinkpad T420 needed a full Fedora version upgrade, and that finished in 15 minutes.
No wonder MS is losing users
... You need Windows to use government websites? What kind of dystopian nightmare is this
wait till you find out companies that operated in South Korea had to support Internet Explorer until 2020
Ha! Oh, if you think that’s dumb… There are certain key sections of the IRS website that only function during business hours. Imagine if more sites worked like that. “Dang, it’s after 5PM, gotta do my Amazon order tomorrow.
🤨
Serbia for example have it's gov suit and drivers only for windows. You can't login using your personal identification card on linux, afaik (like, even if you extract encrypted key from plastic card). Can't even scan it to obtain profile pdf. They do have "consentid" app for android tho, that can be used to log in.
Russia also falls in same category, also they don't have plastic cards for identification, only regular passport. Digital key (basically a regular encrypted cert) can be issued thru government department responsible for taxes and again, will only work on windows for login, due to required software. It should be possible to install certificate on linux, but to login on government site you will need to use browser in wine.
Dunno about other countries, only lived in those two. I heard some African countries also have same/similar system, don't remember which one.
Not knowing much about Serbian smartcards, but I had done quite a bit with smartcards in Linux before.
Have you seen this project? https://github.com/ubavic/bas-celik... looks to be cross-platform and do what you're saying. Though you'd probably need pcscd, pcsc-tools, and possibly other similar packages, depending distro.
Wow, thank you. No, I was not aware of it, sounds like together with srb-id-pkcs11 it should do the trick, it will be wonderful to finally move my auth from windows vm.
Yes, smart card reader itself should work, the only problem is encryption of key on card and use of that key with website. That module mentioned above exactly the thing that required it seems.
Still, my point stands, cause project was created just two years ago and isn't official in the first place. Unfortunately, government itself have no desire to support other platforms. :c
Ah if you want to use it on their website or in a browser you'll probably also need a mini card driver like OpenSC.
And if you're using firefox, you might have to go into settings to add a pkcs provider and tell it where opensc-pkcs11.so is.
There's lots of generic info out there on smartcards in Linux if you were so inclined to "figure it out"...but I don't blame them for not "supporting" Linux...that's kind of a minefield.
Still, that's the fun of Linux...realizing that "not supported" doesn't mean it won't work....just that they won't help you.
does wine or waydroid work for the serbia one?
yeah some government sites, regardless of what browser you're using, think that you're some "1337 Haxors" for using Linux Mint.
I use Qutebrowser on NixOS and sometimes it's...yeah they don't like that.
Can't you trick it using a user agent switching? Been a long time since I've fucked with one so I forget it you can change OS on there.
This is still the case for many South Korean shits, tho these days you can also use a (Googled) Android or iOS device with some shitty app.
I have a machine in my garage that gets used for music and the random football game. Starting it up after being down even a few weeks starts the churn of updates. It's annoying.
Just in case you don't know, unless it changed last time I checked, some organizations like Comptia didn't allow computers with dual boot to be used to pass a cert exam.
I assure you my (virtual) machine only has windows on it.
Thinkpad is the tank of laptops.
tbf if you didn't update fedora for 6 months you may aswell downlaod a new iso and they also do the windows reboot screens for no reason
On first glace I thought I'd be looking at the UI of a streaming service. This is so awful
Powertoys and that debloating scripts does wonders to make w11 usable.
Problem that powertoys are becoming bloated too. Before switching my 8gb RAM laptop to Linux, it was constantly swapping memory. I investigated and it was powertoys slowly eating everything. The two almost identical launchers, 300mb each. The eyedropper that you gonna use once a month 200mb, the help that comes out when you long press the windows key, another 80mb. Same for the screen ruler. Then the accent helper, and so on. My 8gb laptop only had 1 GB free Memory After a clean boot
AFAIK there was a memory leak in PowerToys. But it’s definitely ballooned in scope since it was first released. I suppose turning off the parts you don’t need would help but it really should still be more efficient. Doesn’t help that the Microsoft Department of AI Department seems to have started sinking its teeth into it as of the last few updates.
The last time I used the power toys was on W10 but can't you choose which components you install? Surely you can disable the autostart for the ones you are not using?
Isn’t that the entire point of swap? If you’re only gonna access that memory once a month what’s wrong with it swapping to disk but becoming ready within seconds when you go to use it?
Dude, Windows swaps like it's its job.
The job of swap is to be used after the RAM is full or is about to be full. It's not to be used instead of the RAM.
I bet SSDs were a huge freaking performance boost for Windows generally speaking because of the way it swaps.
That's not true. Linux by default also moves stuff to swap way earlier. Swap is not just a fallback when you run out of RAM. That is why I think Zram is the best. My system can swap as much as it wants to.
Linux swappiness is at least easier to configure + I haven't really noticed it happen on anything with enough RAM to do the job it's doing.
My 8 GB Thinkpad will swap quite a bit running PyCharm, docker and Firefox on KDE Plasma. My 32 GB desktop has near-zero swap usage and it has even more shit running at all
I'm currently dealing with an issue where on freshly installed Mint, after some time of me being away from the machine, the entire system and apps seem to have moved to the swap, which is on an hdd — so things slow down to a crawl and it takes like ten minutes to shake them back to life.
Edit: after some more troubleshooting, I'm not sure swap is the issue, but it's still likely.
My Linux systems are all pretty RAM rich and almost never even touch swap.
That's cool, but I'm more concerned as to why this happens while I'm away, when there's no need for everything getting swapped while I'm at the machine.
Cries in ready boost
Yes but when it's too much... The poor SSD in my 8gb laptop was constantly at 65°C because of all the activity. And it seems without reason. I would hear the warning sounds from crystaldiskinfo when "idle" in another room
Lol, I remember power toys from freaking tucows.com (it used to be a software repository of sorts) in the nineties.
Windows and power toys, two relics from the ICQ age.
the ICQ age
There's a blast from the past. Uh oh!
Man, I think I still had an active Fark account more recently than I visited tucows but I remember it.
And I bet you it pulled the right Terminal as you typed “term” but as you finish it, it pulls this bullshit.
Is there a word for “a thoughtless action by someone else so incidentally awful that you can’t help but wonder if it’s intentional”?
I mean, I don’t think they’re intentionally engineering it to delay EXACTLY the amount of time it takes for me to begin the process of clicking. That would take thoughtfulness, strategy, research, etc…… right?
…right?
The Germans have a word for that, I think they call it Microsoft...
This happens on (mobile) websites all the time. It is infuriating.
or when you speed type something and it just opens edge and searches bing for the app you tried to open
KDE's Plasma Desktop has a web search plugin that I use all the time. Typing the Win (Super) key followed by wp:Sistine Chapel and then the Enter key brings me straight to the Wikipedia entry on the Sistine Chapel. imdb:Jurassic Park brings me to the IMDb page for Jurassic Park. yt: will search YouTube, and so on. There are around 200 keywords pre-programmed into it, including for searching programming language documentation. Unlike the Windows feature displayed here, it doesn't use the network unless you specify a prefix and it accesses only the service you specify by the keyword. Whoever added this feature had to do so very little work compared to the payoff. It just takes the part after the colon and inserts it into a search URL for the corresponding service and opens that URL in the browser. It's very convenient. None of this web search stuff comes up when you're just searching for apps and there are no surprises.
Yes but this doesn't generate ad revenue!
/S
Doesn’t anyone think about shareholders!?!1!
KRunner is awesome
Even macos spotlight knows to prioritize system apps over web searches and such. Iirc it’s like if the query exists as a system app that will be the top result, if two system apps share the query the most recent result selected will win (eg typed “ter” and last used terminal that will be the autocomplete and top choice but if you also have an app called like terminex or something you can down key to it), and web results are only if queries have no match in the spotlight db for files, contacts, etc (which would be in the match list after system apps. I don’t know what the hierarchy is but there is one iirc). So if you type in “phantom menace” and have no apps, files, contacts, etc matching that it’ll prompt to query google.
What you describe is far greater in functionality (and of course spotlight doesnt have plugin support, though it can be outright replaced at least (for now)) but it’s absolutely insane microsoft is going this way with ad nonsense. It’s just disrespectful and greedy. Who is even left using desktop OS anymore? It’s like power users and office workers. The power users are gonna switch to linux or m series macbooks (which doesn’t rule out linux). So is this just a play to get the administrative assistants and other office drones of the world to become a captive audience they can sell?
I like that if I type an application (the main reason I type in that window) that I don't have yet, rather than some nonsense like this it gives me a shortcut to the application IN the package manager.
Yeah, as far as i'm concerned that's about the only acceptible thing to have come up that isn't an application you already have. If I want internet results or files, I'd be using the appropriate browser for those.
so much "user friendly"
at least you get something, on my work computer, i get an empty window when i search
i have a couple of QR codes with "qr" in the file name... guess im not allowed to use 'em anymore
if you're searching for files on windows, Everything is the tool you need
Is it as good as Google desktop was?
IDK about Google desktop but everything searches my entire 40tb of files on my pc and file server instantly. I cannot recommend it enough. I use it combined with FreeCommander for file management stuff.
I have never heard about Google desktop before
It's an older code but it checks out
As a software dev I wonder how does this even happen?
- The movie snippet somehow has bigger weight for ordering - why would that ever be preferred?
- The ordering is random?
- The movie snippet is faster than App and Folder snippets?
It's incredible how incompetent Microsoft is.
The bigger weight is anything that MS can sell for ad revenue.
They just use the profit amount as the weight and sort descending
I genuinely think you might be right.
but in this example clearly Wikipedia and probably IMDB are not paying them right? Or is it their attempt to disguise selling out by always preferring the buyable option even when it's at 0$?
IMDB might be, they're covered in trackers and ads. MS is a donor to Wikipedia (via Microsoft Matching Gifts Program) so they're getting what they paid for.
but IMDB is owned by direct Microsoft competitor - Amazon.
They're not really competitors across both enterprises. If they were then you'd need some conspiracy theory-level mental gymnastics for things like:
https://aws.amazon.com/windows/products/
And finally
https://advertising.amazon.com/library/news/microsoft-amazon-dsp-partnership
This isn't Coke vs. Pepsi for computer boops. This is about ad revenue! They can partner up to cut Google out of the mix!
So they ruin their own product for what? For traffic to their billionaire buddy?
....are you serious? I know this is Linux Memes, but have you ever used Windows 11? MS has been ruining their own products for years. 1/3 of their janky code is LLMs constantly causing problems.
Even without any nefarious motives, they just do dumb stuff like that. I have Clone Hero installed. Whenever I press Super/Windows and I start typing 'clon', the FIRST thing that comes up is 'Control Panel', Clone Hero being the second guess.
So whenever I want to quickly start the game, I type 'clon', press enter, then get annoyed by the lack of Clone Hero and an unwelcome Control Panel window.
Outside the quite small bubble of nerds that is Lemmy and software developers/admins in general a random person is more likely to want the movie than the terminal app.
True. Most people nowadays would panic if they accidentally opened a terminal. It's a scary thing that hackers use on tv.
Highly doubt that
Is Terminal installed by default? I feel like I had to go out and get it manually. It's a single application with a UI to PowerShell, Windows Command Prompt, WSL, and any other terminals you might have. Maybe Windows 11 has it by default? But I feel like if someone has gone out of their way to install the application, Windows should definitely not be showing a web search result over it.
No clue tbh, I've been mainly using Linux for about 17 years now
I have never seen a person who uses Windows search instead of a browser to search the web, and I doubt anyone actually does. Even the people you mentioned.
As a software dev I wonder how does this even happen?
As a guy who runs the Windows environment at work and doesn't see any of that shit at all - neither at work, nor on my extended family's devices - I also wonder, how does this even happen?
The Person deciding only uses web services, so why should those pesky systems apps be showed first?
My point was that the only time I ever see anything like this happen, is when people complain about it online.
I've managed around 10-20k Windows devices since Windows 10 came out. I've never seen a web search take priority over apps search. I'm honestly baffled as to where people are getting these screenshots from.
I tried to disable web search entirely and it still prioritizes it over shit on my actual computer. Its infuriating and I will be moving to Linux when I get the time to get off 10.
Turn it off in settings. Open Search, click the three dots menu, "Search settings" and turn off "Let search apps show results".
If you did and they still show up, your OS is busted and you should reinstall. Pro tip: don't use any "debloaters", they cause all kinds of headaches.
EDIT: if this is infuriating to the point you want to switch, skip Linux and go to Mac. Source: Linux user for over a year.
skip Linux and go to Mac
no, mac sucks:
infinitely less customizable, worse game support, the command key works in a very cursed way, the os is spyware, screenshot tool sucks, the "Dock" (app bar) takes 300 to 1200 mb ram and idk why, apple silicon gpu sucks, overpriced hardware, apple account, finder (the files app) is so bad that i often had to use terminal to do what i want (finder has no way to get the filepath, and no way to create a file)
only advantage of mac is its stability
and if you decide to install linux on a mac, you could have just bought a normal computer for the same price and the specs would be better, also displayport isn't supported (yet) so you're locked to a single display on most macbooks, and also it has the ARM cpu architecture so less software supports it
no, mac sucks
It sucks the same as Windows or Linux, just in different ways. We're used to the way Linux sucks, I'm used to the Windows sucks, we're both not used to the way Mac sucks, apparently.
only advantage of mac is its stability
Which is exactly why I recommend it to someone who's unreasonable angry at Windows. They'll have something new to learn, but something that is relatively stable (not as given as it used to be with MacOS 26).
Linux is weird. Linux is finicky. Linux breaks because you looked at it wrong, or because there was a full Moon while you were eating PB&J. If someone is infuriated by something they can literally turn off in settings, they'll be completely drowned in anguish if they switch to Linux.
Haha, sorry, just realised that I read the comment completely wrong somehow
But to your comment, i have experienced that windows is trying to sort personalised, so order changes based on what you frequently use
I recognised that because i need to help my coworkers often and while the amount of letters needed to show me the app I need varies a lot
Ahh, maybe that's why! Interesting! Also interesting how people end up in that situation and then complain about it online...
We all know how reliable AI is 😄 (personalised sorting is AI as well)
Personalised sorting is very much not AI. Unless you're suggesting we've had AI since the early 90s?
Yes, we have
Only LLM that work “good enough” are “new”
AI exists since about 1950
It doesn't exist "since about 1950", mate. It's actually hilarious just thinking about the sheer volume of transistors they'd need to do the basic AI operations back then. :D
The concept exists for a long while, sure, but by 2010 we've only had "deep learning" as the first stepping stone towards "something like" AI.
It most definitely wasn't possible on the home PC hardware, and it would be absolutely ridiculous to have an "AI" doing this sort of thing, when it can be achieved for a marginal fraction of the resources with a simple weighing and sorting algorithm...
It is all about definition of AI, it seems to me, that you only consider token transfmators which produce text and images as AI, while I consider AI as an umbrella term including machine lets which exist since 1950, mate
AI is very specifically defined as "Artificial Intelligence". A quite complex calculator (devices possible in the 50s) is not an AI.
To be fair, the current tech we call "AI" is not really AI either. We're a couple of decades away from that still.
Yea, and what exactly is “intelligence”
The ability to reason and extrapolate. Something that computers very much did not have until very recently.
Being able to calculate (even if it's logical gates) is not intelligence.
I saw it all the time. It drove me nuts. I'm not sure how you literally never see it, because my clean and fresh installs of windows always worked this way until I did a RegEdit update to kill the websearch in it.
RegEdit update to kill the websearch in it.
Maybe you have issues with your OS because you keep doing things the wrong way?
Why are you disabling this in the Registry instead of turning it off through settings?
The last few times I even had to disable it, there was no setting for it. RegEdit was the way to disable the search-in-start-menu stuff.
But regardless, I'm still talking about seeing this issue on a fresh install. That's definitely not something that happens because I fiddle with settings.
You could always disable it. Just not in the OS settings - you had to open the Search window, go to the cog menu and open settings there.
But regardless, I’m still talking about seeing this issue on a fresh install. That’s definitely not something that happens because I fiddle with settings.
In that case either I'm the luckiest bastard on the planet (again: 10-20k users all around the world since Windows 10 dropped and nobody has ever mentioned that problem), or maybe it's a regional thing that only happens in the US, or something. But then why didn't my US users complain?
it happens by installing windows 11 home or probwithout running a decrapification script or applying gpos to disable it
None of the Win11 Home, nor Pro instances I've seen (and I've seen a lot) had that issue.
I did notice, however, that people complaining about were going very quiet very fast when asked if they used a "debloater" or some such...
Theyve been rolling out intellisense for the terminal in Vscode, it's completely breaking tab complete for me.
does VSCodium (libre demicrosofted vscode fork) also have this? if not you could switch
or use a different editor (i use neovim btw)
2025? I don't remember the search in the start menu working correctly since windows 8
That was when they broke it.
I was working at MSFT when they rolled out Windows 8.
Basically broke all internal workflows for a month or two.
Then quickly had to re-enable the 7 UI they told even us employees did not exist in 8.
They did some kind of hackjob, called that 8.1, and fast forward a decade, Windows 11 had, last time I checked at least 4 different 'eras' of UI schemes/frameworks, if you dig far enough into all the settings menus.
I am not even joking when I say that people literally screamed at me when I used the word 'refactor' in a sentence, while on the MSFT campus.
Windows 7 was the last OS I was excited to get.
Im so glad that there a tangible exodus of non techie people moving away from whatever the fuckery MS is doing nowadays.
Come to Linux and find that excitement again
I was honestly filled with excitement getting bazzite, so simple, so easy, promised as "it just works". Lo an behold I'm still excited and happy to use it, though after learning more about Cachy I think I'll give myself some more excitement and compare the two.
ahem Linux.
Thank you.
I always dug into RegEdit to disable this crap. And somehow, each time, it was a different series of steps.
Use Everything! search for Windows. Literally one of the strongest points of NTFS is lightning fast indexing, using tools like Everything and WizTree. The only things I miss on Linux. Oh also AutoHotKey.
I just set the Everything window to appear on ALT+3 (I have found this to be a very useful shortcut because it's rarely used by anything else and is easy to reach quickly)(some function keys also work well for it), you just type, it highlights, you press enter, you're done. And so many sorting options.
Windows: has lightning fast native indexing with ntfs Also windows: implements worst out of the box GUI search tool possible
Windows: searches bing before ntfs
Everything is what I use for files
Windows search is what I use for applications
AutoKey is an alternative to AutoHotKey, from what I understand. Haven't gotten around to it yet, but at least it uses a proper programming language instead of the abomination that is AutoHotKey's scripting lang.
But nothing beats Hammerspoon which is the analogue for MacOS. Lua programming, sizeable library of OS integrations, built-in http server. Ah, what a beauty it is.
Debian or Gnome seem to have some kind of semi usable search in the gui. It can find files in multiple places by name, wildcard etc but I'm not sure what it can see. Everything is great on Win.
man locate
How common it is across distros I couldn't tell you, but it's been a staple on Mint for a good long while and ought to be available everywhere. Basically wherever I'd use find I try locate first, unless it's for a file that's expected to be very new and hasn't been indexed by the daemon yet.
Open start menu:
Windows: TODAY IS THE INTERNATIONAL DAY OF TOAST BREAD!! want to know more?
Kinda yeah
Adding websearch to the start bar's search was solving a problem that didn't exist. If I want to search the web, I can use a web browser to do it. I feel like it was added to try to make up for how bad the search used to be (and still is? I just never really had a habit of using it because it was so unreliable and depended on other ways to figure out where things were), so that it would give something, plus MS really wanted bing to be a thing.
I recently switched to KDE and their main search bar also includes web search. I haven't looked at the settings for it and expect there's probably a way to disable that, but I didn't feel great about seeing that there.
It's like, I get the idea of saying "this user is searching for a program they don't have, let's link to it" but then they're like "oh what if we searched for everything?" and then someone else is was like "And what if we put ads in to monetize it!" Then that last person probably got a bonus.
I honestly don't mind the fact there's search there. I do mind the fact that there are any circumstances in which it would default to the web search over a correctly-spelled (or even a correct partial-match) application on my computer. That should never happen.
Adding websearch to the start bar’s search was solving a problem that didn’t exist.
Maybe the average user is so ignorant and bad at computers they don't understand this. They don't know what a browser is. They don't know what a website is. They don't know what a program is. It's all just stuff.
Personally, I'd rather spend billions on education than AI slop and other patches on "people are kind of dull"
Its pumping up those Edge numbers!
Am I the only person that still types "command" in the search? It's windows who is typing "terminal"?
Yes I know it's a terminal, but it's never been called that AFAIK. It's always been the command prompt.
The newest windows terminal is called "terminal".
I used to type "cwd", but after installing terminal, I type "terminal". Probably same situation for OP.
chronic wasting disease does seem appropriate for windows
My M turned upside down. I'm leaving it like this
It's wt.exe. You should just be able to run wt.
Not long now until you see this:
Best Match
Today I typed "power" for powershell and I got this : https://www.imdb.com/fr/title/tt3281796/
I type "CMD" or "power"
CMD
power
We Just Can't Win
wtf. 😂
Power gives you the power series, LOL
Damn it.
Win + x, then i. If you want admin hit a instead of i.
ctrl+r "cmd" return
for me
Had to use a W11 machine last week and this was one of the 1st things that annoyed the shit out of me. On W10 you start typing an app name and press enter and it opens. What the fuck are they at changing that. And don't get me started on Outlook or Windows explorer.
Fuck you Microsoft. I'm going to Linux as soon as possible
What the fuck are they at changing that.
Ads. These are sponsored results, and they want them to show up first. Sure, you bought to OS (probably), but...
When I recently upgrade a hundred windows 10 machines to 11 the majority of the keyboard time to do this was disabling all that shit.
Just use copilot to write a powershell script to disable all the crap Windows 11 ads.
I can't do that Hal.
The best I can do is install a plugin for more ads.
My main gripe with this travesty of a "Start menu" is that it isn't the Tom Hanks movie of a similar name.
The other is that even if it were, it won't just play, but rather send you to the shiniest new subscription service to subscribe.
Taking 10 as far as I can go then just installing Ubuntu.
Check out Mint. It's based on Ubuntu but has Canonical's controversial stuff removed, plus an added layer of polish.
Yeah that's my plan. My processor won't even support Windows 11, so that's not an option. (I used to think it was a TPM2.0 issue, but checked more recently and it's not. They just even more arbitrarily decided my processor is too old, while also claiming Windows 11 has the same or lower overhead than 10!) I'm also not far away from needing a hard drive, RAM, and GPU upgrade. So I figure some time reasonably soon I'll build a new PC. That one won't be getting Windows on it, unless I discover a game or something that I can't run on Linux.
I haven't met a single game yet that isn't running, but I'm not into AAA games anyway. Worst case you just resort to dual boot (don't forget, always install Windows first) or VM.
Amusingly, just a couple of minutes after posting that comment, I went to the aoe2 Reddit to check if I was missing some details about a recent patch (for details related to this Lemmy post I had just made). And one of the first posts I saw was this one complaining about that very-much-not-AAA game failing to run recently.
The games in that franchise are like 90% of my gaming tbh. They all get great scores on ProtonDB, but the use a kinda weird hybrid of your Steam account and your Microsoft/Xbox account for syncing player details, and one of my concerns is the Xbox account might not work correctly.
Worst case you just resort to dual boot (don’t forget, always install Windows first)
Yeah, dual booting was definitely the plan. I didn't know you need to install Windows first though, that's...disappointing. And frustrating. My plan was to install Linux, stick with that for as long as I can, and if I later decide I need Windows for something, install it then.
or VM
Could be a good option. Dunno how smoothly these games would run in a VM, but worth a shot, and much better than needing to dual boot, if it does work smoothly.
Is not strictly necessary to install Windows first, it just makes it easier, because Linux will setup the bootloader for you. Windows in the others hand tends to nuke everything that was installed prior, so you would at least need to repair the bootloader. To be completely safe you can just disconnect the Linux drive, while Windows is installing. Definitely a path, if you want to go for Linux only for now.
VM is a good method once it is set up, but needs more initial tinkering with the passthrough, depending on your hardware. I don't know how those Kernel level anti cheat things work. Otherwise the game shouldn't even know it's in a vm.
I don’t know how those Kernel level anti cheat things work
Not something that matters to me anyway. I don't own any such games currently, and don't intend to change that.
But thanks for the tips re the bootloader!
Btw, if you want someone that just works out of the box for games, have a look at bazzite. Steam and drivers installed right away. I run it happily for some time now.
That's definitely interesting, but I use my PC as a general-purpose computer. I'd rather go with a general-purpose distro, like Ubuntu.
It's not restricted to anything and you can install everything you want. They have even some neat setups for development environments. In general I like the idea of an atomic os. So for my work PC I might go with something similar next time.
But it definitely took a bit getting used to, after coming from Ubuntu as well and not knowing anyone but apt to install software.
Either way, good luck with your setup!
Don't dual boot. Instead, invest in two drives and dedicate each to each os fully. Way less headache and far more control. Easier to keep windows oblivious of Linux existence so it doesn't fuck with it.
That's also "dual booting". The phrase never referred specifically to having two OSes on the same drive, just on the same machine.
Isn't that still dual booting? Unless you have two PCs (even if you somehow rigged both PCs up in the same case with separate power buttons), you need a bootloader to choose which drive to boot off of. And unless I'm mistaken, two drives is not going to look notably different to the bootloader from two partitions on the same drive, is it?
There's a technical difference. On a single drive, GRUB (or any other modern bootloader) can handle multiple OSs that coexist on the same boot chain. Windows doesn't like this of course. On different drives it is the UEFI that chooses which drive boot sector to boot from, regardless of which bootloader it has. Here, Windows doesn't get a say, and it is less likely to break.
Historically, the first case was called dual booting but the second is not called that. If the same result is achieved, maybe the distinction doesn't matter anymore. However, in the olden days, there was only one disk allowed to have a master boot partition, the Device 0 in an IDE bus. Consumer PCs were limited to two IDE busses, with a device 0 and device 1 each, only one hard drive could have an MBR on the primary IDE. Now a days it is much easier to have multi-disk boot capabilities in hardware thanks to EFI system partitions (since mid 2000s), but it used to be necessary to fiddle with an MBR even if the OSs were on different disks.
It is an important distinction because dual booting, as a concept, almost always exists in relation with Windows. If you have two, three or more Linux OSs running on the same disk drive, it is not called dual booting, it is just booting and choosing your distro, as bootloaders like GRUB are multi-booting by default.
So, yeah, maybe it is dual-booting as well, but it is not what the original term used to mean. It is just Windows wasting space in a quarantined disk, which I still prefer.
Whoops. Just cleaning up some old tabs and realised I never responded to this. Thanks! It was some really interesting info.
dual booting, as a concept, almost always exists in relation with Windows
Hard to dispute this, except perhaps for the really niche situation of someone dual booting Linux on a Mac. Not especially useful very often, since Macs are a UNIX system. And because of that, not very common compared to Windows on a Mac, or dual booting Windows & Linux.
I can't comment on aoe2 specifically but Halo Infinite (through steam) and Minecraft both use my Microsoft account just fine on Linux Mint.
Terminal cancer
This is why I have a custom shell on my work PC. This is the kind of shit search interface where the local hits pop up quickly after you typed but then jump away to display irrelevant guff like this just as you’re clicking on what you wanted.
Wait until corporate america figures this out, outrnext big blockbusters: cmd, taskmgr and devmgmt
I'm pretty excited about the Wget miniseries.
I read that as ministries, and i'd be down either way :)
I'm looking forward to PowerShell (2026)
Without these ads how will they fund copilot for 12 more minutes genius?
Is this true? Can't be true
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Windows search sucks balls and does stupid stuff like this all the time. Even when it's not a web search it might open some file named terminal and not the program terminal. It does that to me all the time at work.
It has for a decade, since Windows 10 basically.
I think that adage used to work... however nowadays, with corporate greed enshittifying everything, I think it's safe to presume malice by default, at least when the actor is a company. Your neighbor probably didn't mean to do that thing that made you mad.
They no longer get the 'benefit of the doubt' after years of evidence that they will attempt to squeeze every penny out of their customers.
Oh it's totally malice, like the "reminder" to want to share personal information to MS for a customized user experience, where you your only options are "yes, I want to eat shit" or "sorry, please ask me to eat shit later"
Or how they are clamping on people's ability to create local accounts.
Yeah, Hanlon's Razor has always been suspect imo, at least as long as I've been aware of the term. Way too many malicious assholes these days.
I believe you can disable the dumb search providers.
I do press Windows + R, then type cmd and hit enter.
cmd (Command Prompt) and Terminal are two different things.
huh, can't tell the difference between cmd, powershell and now terminal in windows
Winaero tweaker and open shell will do wonders if you have to use Windows 11
Can't polish a turd
You can just do reddit. No need for 3rd Party Software at all. I'm team Linux nowadays
What does this comment mean?
You can just do reddit
Huh? What does that have to do with anything? Nobody mentioned Reddit, or any websites that they "do".
A lot of people need various different specific software. Some don't need it but really want it. The comment you replied to was fairly clear: "if you have to use Windows 11". In that context:
No need for 3rd Party Software at all. I’m team Linux
Makes no sense.
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I'm being sincere here. I want to know what you're trying to say, but the way the previous comment was worded, it's impossible to work it out.
I don't know. This application makes going back into a back/forth conversations, such as Reddit does. I might need to look into a GUI Client that runs Lemmy for Android instead of the browser.
Are you that dude that makes accounts for a few hours and deletes them?
Well after a few uses it's dirty right?
Something like that
What makes you think that? I'd like to be able to identify them as well.
They're brand new and this is their only comment
No, I've never deleted an account. I made two accounts accidentally because I didn't understand how Lemmy worked with Instances, 1 I didn't use an email so when I got approved I forgot the PW I created & couldn't login back in. This is my 2nd try & because I don't know the PW for the other one, it's not deleted. Assuming you're thinking of someone else. Anyways I understand Lemmy now!
Well I hope you enjoy your stay, fellow .zip user
😀
Thanks I hate it
Remember when Canonical pioneered this?
And it was bad then too; tho it was easy to uninstall those packages.
I feel productive already, boss!
On the one (windows) machine i actively use powershell i click the pinned start menu icon.
Windows has fucked my flow before by co opting my shortcuts. So this is the most reliable way.
On linux terminal is a shortcut, app launcher is a shortcut and searching apps to launch actually works and doesn’t open my browser that operates under a different privacy contract then your os settings.
I despised windows search long before i switched i just didn’t know any better.
On my one remaining Windows machine, I installed PowerToys and use the "Run" launcher. Alt+Space opens Run. If you lead with a . you'll search programs. Alt+Space, .term, for example, should immediately show Terminal and you can slap enter to open it. You can also do stuff like = 1 + 1 or = 0b101 + 0xf for quick calculations, %% for unit conversion (%% 10MB to Mb), etc. It's not KRunner, dmenu, etc but it definitely beats the hell out of the start menu.
PowerToys "Keyboard Manager" might let you reclaim some shortcuts as well. I used it to swap Caps Lock and Escape but I'm pretty sure it can be used to create custom shortcuts. There's also some option to remap shortcuts on a program specific basis. So you can say Alt+T should send Ctrl+T but only when Firefox has focus, for example. Haven't messed with it myself but I can see the value.
Still looking forward to ditching Windows entirely but, in the meantime, MS has some decent tools that aren't included by default and don't seem to be advertised because power users aren't the target market and "they already know to look for it" I guess.
the windows key + r will open the Run command window, seems a lot easier then what you did for that but the other stuff PowerToys do is worth it
Win+R, wt, enter
Alt+Space, wt, enter (or .term and auto complete will fill in "Terminal")
It's pretty much identical in terms of keystrokes. I just always forget "wt" is the way to launch Windows Terminal from Run, and that it works with PowerToys Run as well. My main sell was that the latter is a decent quick launcher with some useful tools built in to keep you from ever bothering with the start menu. I'm sure if I played with the Keyboard Manager a bit more I could probably go for something like Super/Win+Shift+Enter and skip Run or PowerToys Run altogether. I just haven't bothered for whatever reason.
What is the difference of Terminal to say cmd or PowerShell?
Edit: seems to be the same thing as cmd. I usually access it with Win+R or search for cmd in start.
Another edit: My work machine is Win10. There is no Terminal on my system it seems. If I search for Terminal in Start, cmd shows as the only option.
Terminal is new and a lot more flexible. It's more of a frontend to whatever you're using, be it cmd, powershell or wsl bash
To your edit, it isn't the same thing as cmd. It's more like konsole or kitty or gnome-terminal. It is a terminal container that can run cmd or powershell or bash for you.
It has other features that are nice, and that more useful systems have had since the 90s. If you're stuck on windows, it's to putty what ie used to be for netscape. You can use it to download putty, or use it and only be mildly irritated on someone else's system.
Terminal can have multiple tabs, multiple different processes (so you can have a powershell and a cmd running in different tabs) and better WSL support AFAIK. It's wt in the Run dialog. (I'm pretty sure typing "cmd" now just opens a cmd window in terminal too)
It's what they made to replace conhost.exe, even open source so actually pretty cool considering it's M$.
Not even a good film.
Not even a good Terminal film.
Yeah, my first thought: not even the Tom Hanks one.
Afaik PowerToys has this Spotlight ripoff which searches for apps.
It's based on an older version of Vox:
Yeah I don't know why people who call going on the internet without using uBlock rawdogging use windows without running some script to gut all of this trash.
Win+x, a, left, enter. Admin power shell in a quick combo.
But I also get what you are saying. I'm leaving windows because of this. Migrating my services ATM then the last thing will be my win10 desktop.
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Is Terminal even a Windows app or alias for cmd.exe/PowerShell? I know the joke is how bad the start "menu" is, but maybe they could've searched for a real app?
I'm not a Windows user, I'm asking genuinely.
Windows Terminal is one of the only good things Microsoft has done in ages.
it's honestly one of the best Terminal Emulators. wish I could get it on Linux in all honesty. I'm sure someone has but I haven't really looked into it.
But ConEmu is still better.
Windows terminal is actually decent
Windows Terminal is the terminal emulator that hosts the shell (cmd or PowerShell, or anything else really). It's the modern replacement for "conhost".
It's also a fantastic app, some of the devs are on Mastodon too.
My only gripe with it is that it's a store app, meaning the path to the executable is very convoluted. So starting it via a powertoys shortcut is a hassle and I think only works for one specific version until the path changes
they have the preview release on github
i honestly wish they ported it to linux
At this point windows is just msys2 to me.
Tell me this isnt real...
Lol you know it is.
Shhh, he is still on the negation part of the grieving
it's right there dude. if you try touching it your hands ain't goin through
The bullshit lemmy tells me I see on Windows, I do not see. I have never once had a Windows issue that has come up on here.
... Ok, Computer.
-.-
No surprises
... it tried, but i guess, the best it can is good enough.
Shit has me climbing up the walls
@mod_pp They can't even suggest the better (Tom Hanks) Terminal movie.
They paid people good money to design and crate that.
I run enterprise to disable this trash behaviour on my gaming rig. I unfortunately want to play some titles that have predatory anti cheat :(
In an unmodified windows it would also show random tabloid news from MSN or affiliates inside the start menu...
sub office 365 for access to ms movie store.
Ironic...
Its not even the right Terminal film
You can disable that shit with O&O Shutup 10
Or... just turn it off in Search settings...?
TIL
But if you use Windows for any reason, I'd still recommend O&O cause it disables nearly every annoyance the OS has. MSEdgeRedirect and StartAllBack fix the remaining problems with Win11 (stops Windows from ignoring your default browser settings, and restores removed Start menu features, respectively).
How is this different that Winaero Tweaker?
IDK you tell me. I've never heard of it.
Misses the principle of the matter though.
cmd+space iTe-
enter
That’ll do for now, I reckon.
I would allow remote assistance... from that actress.
BONK!
MEGA!
Don't be a creep
To play devil's advocate, only people unfamiliar with Windows would look for a terminal that way.
I disagree. Being able to slap the windows key and type the name of the program I'm looking for is one of my favorite features of both Gnome and KDE and I wish Windows worked similarly.
It does, in theory... However, in theory, practice and theory are the same, but in practice, they very much are not
In KDE, you don't even need to click the start button, you can literally just start typing and krunner will pick it up
It does.... (Or did I've not used 25H2). But given the app starts with a w you can see the issue.
In gnome you can search for any word of a program name and it will appear in the search result
In KDE I type in "tor" and "factorio" appears above "tor browser"
It shows up as "Terminal" in the search results, so I imagine that's what it matches against, even if it is colloquially referred to as "Windows Terminal"...
Windows has a alias system so for example memo shows notepad.
Both Gnome and KDE also include a web search. And just like on Linux, you can disable it in Windows Settings.
Both Gnome and KDE also include a web search.
Is it on be default? Because if so I'm glad I don't use that garbage.
On KDE, it's just one of the suggestions, I believe, that you could search this term on the web. If you trigger that suggestion, it then opens the web browser to do the search.
As such, searching "terminal" wouldn't yield a suggestion from a web result that matches, but I'm pretty sure applications are prioritized above other results either way.
That's good to hear. It continuously amazes me how often search bars in some pieces of software manage to be worse than ctrl-f in a plaintext document.
yes but your distro may have it disabled in their default.
Bit it will always return
I don't think that's a standard inclusion, because it's not there on my fairly standard Debian install.
And? Why shouldn't I expect to be able to find essential OS tools and settings by using the OS search?
It shows it to you... Just not first option. The app is actually called Windows Terminal, which is why you get it by typing wt.
That's part of the issue: in the picture is written "Terminal", so I expect to find it if I search Terminal. I don't care what is the real name under the hood, I'm searching something for the name you have given me.
You’re not wrong but there’s something very funny about a gaggle of Linux evangelists complaining about it not being obvious what aliases to type to open something
I understand them: I am an old Linux user, used to the command line. In there, once upon a time, a command has only on way to be called, and that way was the name under which the command was known and distributed. Aliases were a personal customization made by the user for his own amusement. I am still under the assumption that if a program is presented to you as X, then X is the command to type to run said program. But I understand this is now not as obvious, even in the Linux world.
One of the hard problems I still have today in Linux is if I'm having trouble with software and need to know what it is actually called, sometimes that is difficult. Like how am I supposed to know the installer is called calamares or the text editor is called leafpad when the OS calls them "installer" and "text editor"
Exactly, that is IMHO a not-so-sane default that some application launcher adopts. Thankfully you can switch to a more "normal" behavior, it's a flag somewhere in the configuration menus for the application launcher, at least in KDE and in XFCE
Oh there’s absolutely no excuse for it not to open Terminal when you type terminal. I can’t replicate it on my side but I’ve probably turned that “feature” off ages ago. I’m a little surprised at the downvotes, as I’m making fun of Windows. Linux used to have a reputation for its learning curve, especially knowing CLI commands. Daunting stuff for the average user. It’s better now, and beautifully enough it’s Microsoft’s fuckery with putting unwanted shit in their OS that’s teaching people more about the inner workings of the system they’re using, both pushing them towards gutting the OS, and towards other OSes. In the Lemmy demographic that’s usually Linux, around me it’s actually been Macs, and those are even more egregiously expensive where I live.
Another way the esotericness tables have turned: the Windows configuration UIs have similar names, do adjacent functions, and aren’t listed anywhere in one place. You have to know what setting you want and where it’s found. There used to be one Control Panel, and a few advanced tools you could find in the Start menu. Microsoft wants to “modernize” some of these, so they’ve pulled parts of their settings piecemeal into their new Settings UI (which they call an app, I don’t like that). But you still have some settings that are still in the legacy Control Panel UI. You have a ton of settings that are still in standalone legacy settings UIs. Some of them look like Windows 10, some like Vista/7, and there’s a handful that look like Windows 95. You need to know that the display color calibration options in the Settings UI can be overridden by the vendor’s control software (that’s a whole rant), and that what you actually want is a standalone settings window called Color Management. You need to know what operations can be done in Disk Management, Disk Cleanup, Optimize Drives, you need to know that they exist, and you then need to know if the command you want is actually only achievable in diskpart. I have nothing against diskpart but I can’t tell you which among Terminal, PowerShell, or Windows PowerShell (or any of the x86 variations plural of each of them) is the right place to use it. I can intuitively tell it’s not Windows PowerShell ISE or Azure Cloud Shell though. Yay for computer literacy. I type cmd into the Start menu and it works from there, so I’m content with that. I can’t say Raspberry Pi OS has this many configuration locations but once you know the two or three places to look you’re done.
I know that I will have to move to Linux eventually. I’ve only complained about things in Windows that aren’t designed to abuse the users directly, which is a drop in the bucket, ethically at least, when you look at the responsibilities of the world’s most (or second most) influential company regarding personal computing. But I look at all this and feel like it’s accelerating the scary trend of younger people getting worse with computers. I was able to follow instructions correctly in a novel computer environment to set up a mini homelab with a bunch of Linux servers talking to each other. People my own age and slightly younger at work seem to know fuck all about the computers we use and that terrifies me. We were supposed to get better over time, not worse! There’s a new, younger IT guy, he’s not much younger than me, and half of what I’m procedurally required to ask his help on is something he doesn’t understand at all.
Home server mountain hermit life is no longer over the horizon for me, that’s all I can say really.
All you are saying resonates too much with me.. thankfully I have to deal with Windows only at work (and in a really painful way), I've managed to switch my home to Linux or BSD, even my old gaming rig.
BTW I think the downvotes where because in your previous comment was not clear on which OS you were throwing shade 😅
This is how I do it. When I forget that I have it pinned on the taskbar or don't want to use the mouse. I don't need it enough on windows to remember the keyboard shortcut.
Win+R?
Win+X. The most simple hotkey in windows after the Windows key itself.
Why? I use the start menu reach for every app that's not on my taskbar. How else would you do it?
Terminal the movie seems really obscure
The Tom Hanks one was really good.
Ok. So you type the correct name of the program. Cause terminal ain't it. CMD and it opens fine.