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Mark Rober

He's been going harder and harder into the Mr Beast format, and it's off-putting. I'm still subscribed for now, but I almost never watch his videos unless the topic seems interesting.

Yeah, his more recent videos seem to be more about the spectacle, rather than the education or interesting subject matter.

He’s just part of a huge machine now. And he looks tired as hell sometimes.

He creeps me out. Some uncanny valley thing, like maybe plastic surgery?

He's definitely been working out a lot, potentially juicing.

i took a glimpse at one of his recent videos, collabing with christiano (a questionable characther thats tied to SA and panama papers) he definitely look like beefed up

I dislike Mark Rober.

Here is Mark Rober shilling for Anduril, an AI weapon company.

anduril is one of THIELs creation too, for people not aware.

I gave up watching Rober when he proclaimed he loves his Tesla and will buy another one. This is was said well after Musk went full Nazi dirtbag. Rober has enough money to buy another electric, he doesn't have to support that man.

The one Video I've seen of him was a sponsored look at an Anduril combat drone. Never bothered looking at anything else he did after.

Yeah that was uh

Since he started that subscription box company his focus shifted from telling a cool story through a creation or robot to creating a video that can sell the most boxes for him

That hotel demolition video could have been really cool

Instead it was just... Boring and weirdly edited

If he stopped SHOUTING ALL THE FUCKING TIME, his content would be just about tolerable.

I feel exactly the same. I'll still watch his glitter bomb videos, or if he makes another squirrel obstacle course, but his stuff has become very child oriented recently.

Are there any good science/education channels left? Veritaism, smarter every day, Kurzgesagt all seem to have fallen off. Didn't like Johnny Harris from the start.

3b1b, perhaps?

Depends on what exactly you're looking for. Technology Connections, Steve Mould, ElectroBOOM, Practical Engineering, Hank Green's various enterprises, Cody's Lab, and the various "mad scientist" types like StyroPyro, NileRed, and the various people William Osman hangs out with.

Technology Connections is brilliant. You truly learn something when you watch his stuff.

Me getting a 1 hour long crash course on dishwasher powder (I do not use dishwasher powder) and enjoying it

I saw a great comment that he really enjoys boxes that make things hot/cold/wet/dry

Tech ingredients is really good too. The anti drone laser, radiant cooling, and various diy evaporative cooling projects especially. Homemade hootch too, but I tend to doze off during those.

They also got better during the pandemic, instead of worse, like AvE and some of the bigger channels. And have had some good protester related experiments like protecting from microwave and audio type police dispersal weapons.

I know it's his brand, but it's mostly useless stuff that you learn. His recent video about 8-tracks was fascinating, but I can't imagine a single scenario where that info will be useful.

That said, I still recommend it to everyone.

so, just scrolling through my subscriptions. this isn't a list of just science channels, lots of maker/diy stuff in here, but sometimes there's videos from those channels that overlap with the topics the more educational-type channels might have

technology connections Chris Boden Louis rossman Steve mould good work Mike Boyd this old Tony Matthias wandel bigclivedotcom fortnine Marius hornberger essential craftsman everyday home repairs project farm mujin pask makes superfastmatt Marcin plaza notanengineer inheritance machining John heisz ibuildit Michael Reeves blondihacks Laura kamph UnderDunn

also shout-out to Hunter Direction for just making amazingly beautiful videos lately, the algorithm delivered him to me recently and holy shit does his newer stuff just tickle me in exactly the right spot

A great channel that ive been really enjoying is alpha phoenix. His old videos inside his crystal growing lab are super cool. I'd recommend air tight vs vaccumn tight that was cool

All of those are still pretty good, honestly.

yea i follow some science channel, mostly around biology, paleontogy, not huge influencers. im not "fluent" in physics content so i barely follow those.

I cancelled him when he faked the porch pirate videos years ago.

oh yea i saw the thumbnails, it seems to eerily like mr beast, i dont follow him. but his thumbnails are starting to resembling the "reaction channel" influencers thumbnails.

I no longer get excited about a new Veritasium video.
I also don't get excited when the title and thumbnail change 5 times in a week.

He got bought by a private equity firm, don‘t be surprised

I have a browser extension that blocks thumbnails on YouTube because I got tired of seeing people's creepy facial expressions.

Try DeArrow, it will replace the thumbnail with a random snapshot and title is crowdsourced.

I don't really like Veritasium (anymore).

Here is an advert by Veritasium for Google's car's (Waymo). It's a terrible video. It uncritically shills. It contains garbage "research." Here is a longer breakdown.

Why? I still love their stuff. The thumbnail shit is annoying though, he's said in the past they do it to boost engagement or something.

A lot of the videos aren't even made by him anymore.

That's true and a bit of a bummer but I think those videos are still great. I don't care that much who makes them as long as the quality is good.

The ones made by his producer (the blonde Nordic looking one) are really good tho

New thumbnails mean people are more likely to click thinking it's a new video

Yesnt. Channels are A/B testing different thumbnails to see which ones work better. It can have massive effects.

It's not a simple "thumbnail gets changed, get more clicks"

Yea he said they do basically A/B testing and their user base is so large they get to see in real time what works and what doesn't.

I did this on one of their videos just last week. Annoyed the piss out of me. I think they changed the title too.

Wouldn't surprise me to know they changed the title. I haven't seen it personally as the people I follow seem to be honest. But it doesn't surprise me given that clicks increase revenue.

Even news headlines change if they're not seeing uptake at what they think they should be for a particular story

Youtube has a feature to ABC test different thumbnails to test which one will be the most popular. You might see one or all of them depending on whether you click right away. Eventually the channel will choose the most successful one.

Kurzgesagt is pretty bad for that.

I enjoyed their recent video on power law distributions and why they dramatically change how you should operate in those domains.

They also did some good content a short while ago explaining why Monsanto and Dupont are problematic.

That said you are right about the thumbnails since when I looked at the channel to double check that it was veritasium I was thinking of the title and thumbnail are completely different for all of them.

That PFA video was wild. That stuff messed me up good.

Their most recent video on Dirac was also super interesting to me.

Dirac was his own person, despite having Charles Boutin's consciousness in his brain.

I stopped watching veritasium years ago after watching a couple videos that were basically an ad for whatever company and him being smug.

Same for me. There's still the occasional really good video, but there's too many that are basically ads for some big tech thing

MKBHD, Linus, Most of the tech reviewing kids who got money and then hired an entire staff and in lots of cases also bought up really good solo YouTubers.

Motherfcking Casey Neistat. He was never an amazing person, his exploitation of his wife’s ass in thumbnails and being comfortable with click bait titles always felt off. But he’s a masterful propagandist and videographer until I saw him waving Israeli flags at pro Palestine protests during a filmed documentary.

Linus was never solo, literally staff day 1. As his staff slowly leave they make some cool new channels though.

All of the Neistats. I got tricked into thinking they had something to say and/or teach. Nope, just a few guys up their own ass.

I think Veritasium is doing it right. They have new people presenting in videos, but Derek is always there tying everything together.

They were sold to private equity and are slowly transitioning it away from Derek. That way it can be a brand not directly tied to him and his face

Their content is at least still fairly high quality. It's just a lot more now

And Derek is now basically just a taking head / presenter

Yeah, I love the new faces, hope Derek doesn't leave, but if he does, he's leaving it in good hands.

It's been a while, but AvE. Dude used to be some chill guy who would take apart tools or do some deep dive into a manufacturing process. But then the covid nation attacked and all of a sudden the guy is sprinkling an opinion in here and there that made me say, eh, and then the Canadian trucker thing happened and dude was all in on that shit. AvE was the first thing I ever donated money to on patreon and the first one I yanked my monthly from because the content had changed to something it once wasn't.

I still think about the guy sometimes. It's perplexing how someone so smart turned out to be so dumb.

as somebody somewhat in circles with people like him up here in Canada, there's a lot of people out there just like him. smart about how things work, but oh so dumb about how other things work.

Yeah. I liked him a lot and watched him for a while but the creep alarm started beeping and red flags started going up. His takes on disasters were pretty good too. Shame he got weird.

Stopped watching around COVID but before that he was a great teacher about how home objects were created. It really made me understand how everyday objects are made and why they're made a certain way. There's a niche there of an experienced manufacturing engineer to teach the masses

Yup, dropped him when he came out in support of the convoy and then got annoyed when people told him to stfu.

Sadly he's gained back and surpassed his subscriber numbers since the big drop around that time.

covid seemed to have broke many channels owners mind, all the lockdown made them delusional and paranoid, hence why they all fall into the maga manosphere. the channel i was following had the same path, lockdown made them question vaccine/mask mandate, then when the incidents happened they went full maga.

Big Clive might fill that gap for you. He does teardowns of dodgey electronics, and remains extremely down to earth, making good commentary about cost effectiveness and energy efficiency. For a while recently he was on a kick of trying to reverse engineer every single LED light bulb design and show how to modify them to run the LEDs less hard making them last much longer and run more efficiently (with reduced light output of course)

He also uploaded a video without warning describing his experience caring for his mother as she passed from Alzheimers. That video with his down to earth way of describing things really helped me to better understand dementia not long before I had family members start declining from dementia

Oh I love me some big Clive

If you want chill tool (repair) videos check out Dean Doherty. It's that plus Irish accent.

Between the clownvoy support and his inability to learn how to use his CNC machine properly...yeah. Dude sucks.

I don't know if they degraded over time, but I unsubscribed from SmarterEveryDay because 1.) he kept trying to slip religious BS into videos and then I couldn't unsee his whole generic youth pastor schtick, 2.) he kept posting weird Physics Girl health update stuff. It just lost me. Not for me. I feel like the glory days of vsauce are also well behind us.

Yeah I have the same impression. In one of his last videos, the one about Pompeii he advised against kids watching because a cartoonish dick showed on a wall. I'd agree, kids shouldn't watch, not because the dick, but his sickening puritism.

So it is because of the dick... narrating\hosting.

I wasn't an avid watcher but did enjoy his content until the Pompeii video. I get that in his mind he was giving context, but when he sat there reading directly from the bible I felt pretty gross. How people juxtapose heavy religious belief with scientific method astounds me.

He was very butthurt about Roman brothels and acted like Christianity ended them yep.

Agree with point 1.
His holier-than-thou attitude is exhausting. Stop trying to spread your fantasy friends around, we don't want them.

The one that got me was trying to make a grill scrubber made entirely in the US, failing to source all the parts domestically, being somewhat xenophobic in the process, and then having the audacity of selling the thing for $80 (or more) when the exact product exists already for half the price. At some point the whole point of the video changed from "rebuilding manufacturing in America" to "China bad". I assume the attempt was in defense of the Trump tariffs, but the takeaway is the US is not in a position to manufacture things on a small scale, and throwing tariffs on it won't change and people will just have to pay more to import items since they can't be made locally.

Especially funny since grill scrubbers in Latin America is half an onion sliced in half and does the job

Not just Latin America. I've seen almost everyone do this.

I was somewhat hooked by the chainmail idea, and then I saw my in-laws cleaning the grill with half an onion.... that saved me.

Shit is fucking delicious right‽

half an onion sliced in half

So a quarter of an onion?

The thing that killed me about the grill scrubber was them bringing up Amazon ripping off products that are listed on its site (valid) but like you said the product they came up with is a clone of many others already on the market. The way he presented it is going to give people the impression that the preexisting ones are the imposters. You just know there are going to be fans review bombing competitors who predate his brush.

He went through something before trying to capitalize on privacy. Ended up trying to sell someone else's reskinned VPN. Seems like he isn't above exploiting the trust of his viewers.

I'll always appreciate the videos he did on the eclipse though. Got me convinced to go see the 2017 eclipse and it was fucking amazing.

I agree with his premise that the knowledge and ability to manufacture stuff needs to be maintained. Not from a xenophobic/sinophobic position, but for practical reasons. If it's forgotten then no one can compete to make a cheaper or improved/different product. There's also an issue of if a war breaks out and supply lines are stopped (whether that's war with China or someone else who can attack supply lines). It's best if everyone in the world has access to manufacturing so people can have access to different jobs they may be better at or having the capability to create things that they couldn't otherwise.

Now, there is an argument that a reliance on international trade prevents war. That is something to consider. China and the US are reluctant to go to war because they'd both be crippled by it even without considering combat. I don't think this is great justification though, but it is something to think about.

My only problem with vsauce is that they post only once every 2 years now. But when a new video drops I still like it a lot.

The only one that I unsubbed to pretty fast was the 8bit guy. I generally enjoyed his videos and then in one of them, he had a fairly rare IBM PC and for some reason, he sticks a screwdriver into the power supply and blows a component.

But what really turned me off was when footage of him turned up on Reddit, taken by himself, of shopping in a place like Costco with his assault rifle on his back. I think he was taking pleasure in scaring some of the customers too.

(I think I've remembered that correctly)

Anyway, never went back to his channel after that.

EDIT: I found this Reddit page where someone asked what he did. Didn't realise that was 5 years ago now!

What the fuck

Smashing that unsubscribe button now. Like, fucking ew dude, don't fucking open carry at Costco you numpty fuck. Ugh...

You make a good point. I should really unsubscribe from all US content.

Jesus. I always thought that guy was a shoddy self-centered Texan dweeb who always did totally half-assed projects, but I had no idea the extent of his shittiness as a person. People who treat weapons like toys are the last people who should have them.

I still cringe about the moment he used a Dremel on that old prototype because he couldn't be bothered to get the correct screwdriver

I used to love that channel. Such a shame.

That video was the exact one that made me stop watching him too. Hadn't heard about the rifle thing, what the fuck

Oh, I always sensed something was off there. Oof.

Yup, that's the video that made me instantly done with him. I have Adrian and his Digital Basement to get my vintage computer content and unlike David, Adrian actually knows what he's doing and doesn't wreck his computers.

What a fuckwit.

Just unsubscribed as well.

Binging with Babish - used to be a fantastic set of recipes and takes on cooking that I really enjoyed trying to make, then got into the serious money and jumped the shark, both in "I bought my brother a Tesla/fulfilled a fan dream" and "this week we're using this dehydrator" ways (that meant I just wasn't going to be able to even imagine using the techniques and knowledge on show).

It was the migration from cooking demonstrations to celebrity presence content (Babsih tries every X, Babish ranks every Y).

Cooking demos keep the focus on the food; techniques, presentation, and results. Plus having an entertaining and charismatic host.

Now those videos lean on the now-recognizable host being entertaining and charismatic, and doing… whatever. And it kind of makes sense in a marketplace-y sort of way. I can watch anybody cook, but Babish has the corner on Babish content, so why not lean into that? Also I’m sure the guy gets tired of making the same content over and over again, so he’s trying to find something interesting that catches on.

I see Nat from Nats What I Reckon doing the same thing. And good on them for trying new stuff.

Babish did recently do a bit of a "Yeah, even we're bored with this now" video and has gone back to his roots a bit.

It looks like he also spun off another channel to host the "Ranked By Babish" style content called Beyond Babish

Which is a fine alternative. Sometimes I want food content, sometimes I want food adjacent. He is very good at both IMO, but the reasons we gave a shit about his opinion isnt because he makes ranking lists.

That's the best path forward, honestly. Keep the shit people liked originally on the main channel, and explore your style/be goofy on a secondary channel.

Ohhh same. I use to love his stuff then realized I hadn't watched for awhile. I went to the channel, saw the videos and remembered why I stopped lol

Alton Brown is making a comeback to YouTube though, there’s someone who hasn’t changed since ever 😁

Yeah but Alton Brown hates fat people. As a fat person I can't make myself watch him.

People throw around the word “hate” pretty quickly these days.

[citation needed]

I loved his channel when it was simpler and was just about trying to recreate recipes. Granted, he was going to run out of movie/tv ideas eventually. 💀💀

I stopped watching once most of the videos became “watch me rate and eat every Mac and cheese.” At least the episodes marked “Anime with Alvin” still featured cooking.

Linus Tech Tips. It used to be good informative content. After they moved from the house in particular it started to really ramp up the clickbait. It just didn't feel like it was still about technology. It felt like it was about whatever gags they could throw into technology related videos.

The all the controversies happened after I had already unsubbed. Yeah, I don't know how people still engage with that channel.

Tbh, they always had the gags in their videos. I think the do make some really informative and interesting content. Especially their tours of factories or other industrial equipment.

Where they have irked me is with their reaction style videos or their 'top things to buy for whatever holiday'. Whilst they can be entertaining, it is low effort content that often isn't that great. I wish they didn't do them and did more reviews rather than just doing unbox+ on short circuit

They had gags before, but they were part of the video. Now it seems like they do videos to have the gags. (Well, I don't know about now, but many years ago.) It went from informative videos only into a content mill that sometimes creates informative content. Gamers Nexus is much better if you just want the information.

I mean, Linus's video about a fire truck toy was a gag and that was ages ago. The gags have always been big parts of the videos.

If you want pure information and performance metrics, ltt isn't the place to go for sure. But not every video needs to be dense on plots and performance metrics. They didn't even start out doing that, they transitioned to that from doing unboxings. He's said himself they aren't doing that on the main channel anymore cause others have carved that niche for themselves.

They definitely do more shovelware content these days but unfortunately it does seem to be what big creators do to stay relevant

I unfollowed Tech Jesus after they dragged LTT way too hard for my comfort. They had a full 60 minutes style expose about them for … some reason?

Also the anti-union bullshit Linus tend to puke out sometimes.

This is not true. What he said is that he would consider it a personal failure if his employees felt the need to unionise, but he would support them in doing so. There is nothing "anti-union" about that sentiment.

Unless of course he also said something else that I don't know about, but then I would love a source.

The problem is the first half. Where he spewa the capatistic view of unions with no question.

It could be a great statement of employee values and empowerment, but instead he takes it as a personal Digg, which has to influence employee views on some level.

The issue is that "finding it a personal failure" is missing the point of a Union and the conversation entirely. The entire point is that there is an inherent power imbalance and with everyone's livelihoods relying on each other having a concrete set of mechanisms in place beyond "trust me brow" is very important.

For the sake of argument let's say that every employee feels 100% comfortable discussing issues with Linus and that he is 100% reasonable in his response such that his statement about feeling like a failure is valid. What if he were to suffer some kind of brain injury where cognitively he seemed to make a full recovery but over the course of a couple of years he seemed to be more selfish, less willing to take feedback, and more willing to order people to do things or they are fired?

It wouldn't be severe enough for family or anyone to legally take control, but it could harm workers, and that is exactly what how a Union could help balance and smooth things out in that scenario.

This is a discussion you can absolutely have. But "missing the point of a union" and being "anti-union" are very different things.

"Anti-union" is Rockstar for firing 31 employees in a union bust, or Amazon for having employees watch mandatory propaganda videos about how unions are evil. Lumping them together with a business owner who basically said "I hope the good relationship I have my employees lasts and nobody starts feeling like they need additional support when talking with me" is at best misleading.

I think your for the sake of the argument example is exactly what Linus had in mind, where he would consider it his failure if it happened and hopes it won't. But if it does and employees unionise, so be it.

Don't forget "ad blockers are piracy" and the one of a kind water cooler he sold.

This is such a silly discussion.

There is one group of people who define the word "piracy" to include "ad blocking", and another group that define "piracy" so that it doesn't. Nobody disagrees about the state of reality, both groups just think the other group has an incorrect definition. Which is a pointless discussion.

Both groups can say "Ad blockers are piracy" and "Ad blockers are not piracy", and they are both correct, for what they mean the word "piracy" to mean. The disagreement is about semantics, not about anything useful.

The "ad block is piracy" crowd can instead say "ad block is a way to access content circumventing parts of the intended business model of the platform, since the platform intended you to view ads". The "ad block is not piracy" crowd can instead say "ad block is not a way to access content without payment, because the platform didn't require payment".

And they are both correct, just misunderstand each other, because they both mean something different when they say "piracy", which results in one group saying one thing, and the other group understanding it in an unintended way. It's silly because no one is actually disagreeing with each other about anything, it's a miscommunication issue.

Yeah, the moment they started treating as a business it started going downhill

i heard the incident with the employees, sleeping around or something. and he never seem genuine after that, plus he became more involved somehow with the production than before.

These conversations always feel weird to me because i just never liked the guy. His "oh look i dropped expensive hardware" schtick was never funny to me, and him trying to push expensive hardware to people who can't really afford it was kinda gross. He never seemed to be knowledgeable enough for his massive ego, so i never cared for it. The other day i watched a video of someone else who was in his studio, and holy shit, it all makes sense. He has so many employees, a big ass studio, podcast studio, you name it. All to make some shitty videos?

I find most channels will degrade once the creator makes Youtube their full-time job. Afterwards, it's all about selling products, donations, sponsors, and memberships.

Survival Lilly and SirSic and two channels that come to mind.

On the flip side a channel I recommend is "low buck garage". Within the last year or so (I don't remember, time flies) he mentioned being able to do YouTube full time and now we get longer videos more often. No ads, or shilling yet and he doesn't seem like that type as the channel name implies, he tries to fix stuff for cheap. Extremely smart dude who thinks outside the box in every video. All his videos are great and I always learn something new from them.

Auto repair isn't my thing but it's good to know there are still quality channels out there. Thanks.

He did or used to have a Don't Tread On Me flag, but his dad and then himself are such hoarders it's hard to know if he even remembers it's up there. I've never heard a political take from him ever, nor does he give off that vibe so I watch him still.

Survival Lilly also seemed to have a switch a long time ago where she sexualized the channel, leaning heavily on being scantily clad to attract attention. Then the APO-1 knife came into play, sponsorships, etc..

I looked at her channel. Judging from the thumbnails it seems to be a lot of politics and "the sky is falling" content. She used to be about bushcraft.

science channels remain consistent though, although i suspect most of them do it as a part time thing and its relavent to thier fields.

MKBHD. He used to be, IMO, the best tech channel out there. The reviews were honest, well produced, and held companies' feet to the fire. The old MKBHD poked fun at the companies' shortcomings (I specifically remember him telling iPhone users to add a widget - then going "oh, wait..."). The new MKBHD interviews Tim Cook and doesn't properly question any of the BS he speaks.

He's really good at trying to mow down kids in suburbs, though

I don't really agree with this take.

He still seems fair and mostly unbiased.

Even if he indeed was more critical in the past, he was never very knowledgeable about the actual technical side of the products he reviewed.

Not sure if this counts, but CGP Grey. The frequency of the videos was always a joke, but the most recent video is a 3 month old paywalled vid of an early preview for a video still unreleased publicly. I still enjoy the videos when they're released, so it's not the quality, but the channel is clearly on autopilot. I hope everything's ok with him and maybe he's just using YouTube as passive income now that he hit it big?

This is VERY recent but NetworkChuck. He's such a great speaker and his videos were good intros into tech (Linux, networking, etc.) but with practical applicability. I liked that he skewed family-friendly and family positive, and some of the solutions he presented were from his perspective as a father. He was never shy about him being religious and being religiously involved. Imo 100% wholesome.

This year, several weeks of his videos were paid sponsor content for very corporate Cisco BS. Then, he comes back from that and it's AI stuff that's kind of a strech for a typical home user.... Then "I'm going to end my videos in a prayer". I unsubscribed right there.

I mean ... if he's using Cisco gear, he'd better be praying.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cisco-botches-fix-for-rv320-rv325-routers-just-blocks-curl-user-agent/

Cisco's mitigation consisted of making the router firmware blacklist the user agent name for the 'curl' command-line tool ...

Religious plus over-produced quality always gives me the ick. Like there’s something hidden and they’re hiding it behind an overly smooth and suave exterior.

There was always something slightly off about him. Like he always felt evangelicalish, but the prayer thing set off the alarms fast.

I kinda found it weird how he jumped back and forth between loving Cisco, hating them, then loving them again. All of his videos now focus on AI tools which I feel have limited utility. The prayer was when I stopped watching his content.

Pretty much any channel once they make it big. I have watched so many channels that just starts out as a person in their basement, or bedroom and make great but simple content. Then they catch on, get a lot of subs and starts making content for the algorithm instead of their existing viewers. They go full time, hire an editor, a cameraman etc. And the content moves further and further away from what made it good to begin with.

A turning point is usually when they quit their dayjob and go full time, that's when the pressure to perform well really begins.

Some exceptions of course, like LGR and Explaining Computers, who just keep chugging along solo. And I still enjoy them because of it.

LTT comes across as someone who simultaneously wants to be a boss and also do nut taps in the locker room. He himself admits he sucks at PR and then does PR solo style anyways or with Luke held hostage. He often takes things personally when it's actually a really good opportunity to show growth and standards, but I swear he misses the mark every. Single. Time. This behavior also corroborates the feelings of a staff member who left because someone higher up was creepy to her and wasn't ever confronted because that's the environment Linus fostered. You can't be a boss that's always joking because sometimes it's serious, and when it's serious, it's not always personal.

MKHD Always seemed like a bit of an Apple shill, but I gotta say it just got worse and worse. It's like he was shopping for himself and once he became a millionaire everything seemed like it was cheap if it was at all novel. He also handled that app launch insanely badly and seems like the type of dude to be impressed by anything a tech bro presents to him.

Berm Peak completely similar vibes. He's rich, so crazy expensive bikes and accessories are almost always a great deal because they're in his budget and high quality.

Ethan Klein I honestly don't know why I ever liked him apart from the copyright lawsuit with Matt Hoss. I appreciated the goofs, but for some reason it took me way too long to see that some of those people in no way shape or form deserved that treatment. Patrice Wilson for example, not to mention later when he devoted his entire life to hate watching Hasan and Hasan-adjacents while being incredibly deceptive about his and his wifes views on Israel. I ditched him before all that, but man what a massive shitshow he turned his channels into.

EEVBlog got high on his own supply. He's always been a bit snobbish, especially about sub par equipment that he already made up his mind about before opening, but I saw him talking about running for office with some dogshit platitudes that mean nothing like, "Dave'll take it apart and fix it all" and seemed very defensive when people were asking what his platform actually would be. God complex vibes from all that.

Gus Johnson because he treated his ex like crap and ran from accountability, and is now sneaking back into YouTube through his and his brother's account without ever really addressing his failures. He just wants everyone to move on and accept him again.

Cody Ko handled the fallout of sexual assault allegations horribly and is best friends for life with a known rapist, putting that relationship above everything. Gross guy, but before all that came out he was just a funny immature frat guy with a lot of jokes and good reactions. Major failure to meet the moment.

Scott Kilmer - just shitty political takes eventually wore me down.

AVE - shitty political views and then talking about teaching his daughter racist nursery rhymes was the final straw for me.

I stopped watching eevblog during the pandemic, when he regularly ranted about the strict covid rules in Australia "even though there are barely any cases". Not realizing how those things are connected. Absolute idiot

i followed asian youtube channel, and one of the owners complained the same way, yup eventually unravelled to bea dumb magat truck owning meathead/ while the owner is a "j peterson" type of person. and after firing a female employee who sorta exposed thier dirty little secret how they treated past female employee and even a "token "black" that kept on the channel. they were discussing news and opinion about , which was fine for the old fans, but eventually turns into "wokeness" whining.

I don't get that vibe from Berm Peak. If he's rich I can understand that he'd ride expensive bikes himself, but he seems to often make a point that more reasonably priced or old/used bikes can be just as fun, which I think is great when the marketing around bikes seems to try to push people to always want the newest high end stuff.

yeah I've never gotten that impression from him either. from what I can recall, he always acknowledges price, and doesn't just do expensive stuff

however, I hardly watch every video. and the algorithm pushes stuff so hard nowadays that you watch two videos on a different topic and then all your other regular stuff is never to be seen again unless you search for it.

To put my own perspective into a box, I was just getting into the hobby and he is the highest quality channel on the matter. It was just disheartening to get the impression that the barrier to entry was so high, but it's fair if he wants better for his fans so long as he couples that in with statements like "my standards are way higher than a beginner's" etc. It'd be similar to MKHD propping up phones that are well outside a reasonable expense for a lot of people.

Yeah, I also used to like AvE's tool teardowns, I felt he did a good job explaining the little things you wouldn't think about, where companies cut costs, and if those cost/perf tradeoffs were done in a smart way or if it would bite you.

Enter covid, and he's ranting about US politics and trucker convoys. Unsubscribed and haven't watched him since, tbh the channel was going downhill before then, but that was the straw that broke the camels back.

Sad to hear he kept up with the bad views, but not surprising.

I stopped watching when he made a joke about at least another trump term would be more interesting. Fuck you Canadian prick. You didn't have any skin in this game so I don't want to hear your shitty political takes. Unsubbed and haven't looked back.

I used to watch AvE on long nights at work and even his tool teardowns got old quickly and the cracks started to show for me. Like every single one was him pointing out the same 10 things he knows about while bullshitting the rest.

My final straw was before covid when he felt the need to post a video on a crane that collapsed in Seattle acting like some forensic analyst giving us his "expert take" on what occurred based off some grainy news footage. I know people just like him who always want to portray themselves as the expert on everything in the most condescending way, and that drives me up the fucking wall, so I had to dip out.

Linus seems like a terrible boss to have

Can you imagine the hemming and hawing he'd do if his employee unionized? He'd crash out for sure.

His response in the past has been that he doesn't think his employees should have to unionize. That tracks with his overall mindset...

I can understand his take on that. There were a few jobs I was thinking about applying for, but ultimately decided not to because "They have a union because working there was so shitty that they needed a union."

Yeah, it's not an incoherent position, just one that could cause potential issues if the need to unionize does arise and it's used as an excuse for why that shouldn't happen. I don't know that LTT would do that, but I'm also not confident that he wouldn't.

Yeah, he would totally try and union bust.

he seems to be more "involved" since the incident with the employees a while back.

Dude when they first launched Channel Super Fun it was like frat bro style activities they were engaging in that you'd be hard pressed to get HR to sign off on. I remember they basically kept dogging on one of their first work permit holders who was working on immigrating. I think his name was Dennis? Like yeah he clearly was straight out of college and lacked life skills but holy shit they took it way past playful teasing, and that's just what happened on camera that they felt fine to post.

teaching his daughter racist nursery rhymes

AVE did what? I bailed with his support of the trucker's protest, but it shouldn't surprise me.

Yeah, I really used to like LTT but man, he does come across as a really cool guy that list his way and the constant product placement just like it for me.

Scotty Kilmer was always click bait. I mean how many times did he have the title, "Goodbye, it's been nice" or similar?

Berm Peak isn't the only one that does that. I'm a car guy and one by one most of the channels I watch lose me because they are all buying cars to work on that are so expensive, not only will I never own one, but I'll probably never even stand next to one. I agree with you.

The LTT allegations were investigated by a third party who was unable to substantiate the claims and were described as "largely unfounded, misleading, and unfair"

I watch Berm Peak every now and then. He lives in WNC where I do but he is not a local. Anyway he seems like a nice guy but god damn he rides some expensive shit. The whole Ozark Trial series was interesting. He liked the bike after he did a good tune on it. Talk about how for a casual trail rider it is a great value for he money and then proceeded to put lipstick on a pig by upgrading it. I think at the end the sum of the part on the frame was like in excess of 3000 bucks. I still don't understand why he closed his AirBNB mountain bike retreat.

I still don’t understand why he closed his AirBNB mountain bike retreat.

He described in his move out video feeling it was morally dubious to have perfectly good housing stock as an AirBnB when someone could be living there.

Like I get it, I'm at the point where I'm starting to look at long term investments and long term financial planning and having a small ADU or second home starts looking real smart really quick especially if you can cover the costs by renting it out or putting it on AirBnB, but you also have to consider the moral aspects.

Damn didn't know that about Gus. Spot on about LTT. Who is AVE?

Donut Media. They got bought out by an investment company and then all their videos became Buzzfeed style listicles.

I find Speeed is as close to the original vibes as you can get. They've actually got some great videos. I want to like bigtime but I'm starting to wonder if they may have been part of the problem

I've been enjoying BigTime but I think they're struggling hard behind the scenes trying to replicate their old, expensive production style in one of the most expensive areas in the country (they employ like a dozen people as a fairly new YouTube channel) as if they still have that funding, along with not having the technical expertise to do all the work they want to do to their projects.

I really hope that garage space doesn't blow up in their faces...

Me too. Not even having a ramp into the garage seems like a huge issue but the area seems like a good fit for them since there's other youtubers/speed shops next door.

They do seem to be trying to grow too fast, but we'll see. There were a lot of comments warning them about fire/insurance risk due to the style of roof their old building they bought has.

I love all of James' stuff so much when he was with donut, but speeed isn't hitting that spot for me. He seems to be just reviewing random stuff. Like I'm not watching his channel because of his hiking gear review, I'm watching it because dude has an almost encyclopedic knowledge of car companies and their history.

I like what they're doing with the channel though. I'm kind of tired of channels only doing one thing, and then eventually they run out of content and start producing clickbait and what the algorithm wants. or just high budget stuff that the average person doesn't have a chance of doing themselves.

I want them to make videos that they care about, because that is what results in a quality video. and if it's not a topic I care about, then I just don't watch the video.

like that hiking gear video - I'm not interested in watching his opinion on that stuff. I'm not interested in a review from three people who probably know less about that stuff than I do doing a semi-clickbaity comparison. but I did click through the video just to get the vibe, and the vibe did not turn me off. idk, I'd have to watch more to be sure.

Fair. To each their own.

I'm in the same boat here. I think that video was great and didn't read as an attempt to sell me on anything. They talked generally about the technology differences and it was more of a history lesson that I'm sure dispelled some nostalgia for items that I used when I didn't have aching joints, leaving me to think they were more comfortable.

glad to hear my impression from skipping through was pretty consistent with how you found it

it's not a video I'd sit down to watch, but I probably wouldn't turn it off if it were in the background while I was working on something

They also lost all their content creators, but BigTime is boring and clearly they have no good ideas for content.

Well Wranglerstar is pretty good example. Used to be about homesteading and tools, then turned into politics, grifting and Jesus talk. There's even a subreddit dedicated for hating him for it.

Van Neistat (Casey's brother) is another one for me. It's actually one of those channels that went from me utterly loving it to entirely stopping watching it the quickest. I can't really put my finger on why but I think I just started to get the sense that this is a job for him, not a passion.

I had followed Wranglerstar's descent off the cliff, but I never knew about the subreddit till now. Much obliged.

Wranglerstar was a huge disappointment, I hope he realizes his failure when he looks at Project Farm's success. Another victim of Covid mania maybe.

Same here with Van. I thought he had something to say or there was something I could learn from him. But really he a just really into himself and thinks hes way more important than he could possibly be.

Wranglerstar's comments are a cesspool. One video had an Easter egg of a radio playing some rightwing trash and people were yukking it up. Between the Jesus stuff, and the closeted dick riders, I was done.

I'm just waiting for someone to uncover that Fireship is a secret Nazi, he gives me all the same vibes as the internet historian

The channel is owned by private equity

Same one that bought Veritasium, iirc

His takes are bad anyways

Basically any channel that started doing "reaction" content. Oh you're reading the top page of Reddit today? Cool, what creative value does that have to me? Absolutely none. Goodbye. I get that it's really popular but I have no idea why, and I get it's cheap to make but it's also shit, so you get what you pay for I guess.

The only exception to this is Jimmy Broadbent who occasionally does his "Sim Racing Stewards" series which is basically his take on Reddit user submitted clips of their online racing mishaps. I find it really interesting to watch because he has so much sim racing experience and, albeit less, experience of real world racing with real life stewards and racing rules. It's entertaining and interesting and I want to know his opinion on these incidents because he has enough context to have an opinion, and doesn't act like his opinion is gospel.

The only good reaction videos are from corridor crew

sniperwolf, doctor mike yea , i never got around to consuming his content, but he did have a few drama incidents that are not caused by him. sniperwolf herself is a problem, she doxxed and stalked someone.

Stephanie Sterling (and not for the reason you probably think).

I understand that the gaming industry is shit, and therefore reporting on it is always going to skew negative, but it really felt to me like the negativity started permeating their content as a whole - to the point that I got the feeling that they didn't really enjoy video games at all anymore.

I also started to get the feeling that they resent their audience for responding positively to such negative content, too - doing things like complaining that the worst-of lists get more views than the best-of lists. You don't have to make them if you don't want to.

Also, it's cool that they found a passion, but I really don't care about wrestling.

Yeah same. For some reason I just liked the old persona a lot more. Just something about that uncompromising "I am right because I say so. Thank God for me". I didn't agree with all opinions but the persona just felt unique. Then they shifted a lot to the weird. Wtf was that cornflakes homunculus? That was still pre transition and continued after. Haven't watched a video in a few years, maybe they have found a new solid identity by now but that interim period just put me of to mutch.

I just find it hard to take her critics seriously these days. She plain out said that all she wants from a game is to make a cute girl and dress her up and do stuff. Which is fine. But you can't call a game bad and the developers bad for not making that game. She talked about Deep rock galactic for a second, which is one of my favourite games, from some of the best developers we have. And she just complained that there are no female dwarfs, even after all these years, so she won't play it and it's bad.

She is busy writing these days but she did several positive videos that were well received, I think her sporadic video releases will be 50/50 from now on

Hey same. I mainly listened to her podcast and that for two or three years now. Some of their opinions are spot on i find, but oftentimes i find it really hard to listen to.

If they don't like a game for just one little reason, it's the worst game ever made and fuck everything about it. But if they like a objectively shit game, they find every reason to defend it. The biggest example to me was when pal waorld came out. They are super into pokemon, and honestly in a bit of a weird way. Pokémon games have been embarrassingly bad for a while now, but they shat on palworld so hard because it encouraged slavery and they didn't like that, so they hardly played it and called it a bad knock off. When the last Pokémon game by game freak came out, which is TERRIBLE laura just talked about how much she liked it, despite it being an obvious low efford cash grab. And Stephanie just bit her tongue, even tho you could hear how much she despised what the game was and what it represents.

Same with arc raiders. I don't want to defend arc raiders, it's not my kind of game and i'm not a fan of gen AI. But at least they pay their voice actors, and the game has hardly any to begin with. But they didn't even care. AI bad, fuck them. But what really got me was when steph was ragging on that the game was pointless, because you walk around, collecting shit to craft other shit and then do it again, and that's stupid. Like what the fuck is a your pokemon game? You go around and collect some dumb ass pokemon for the past 20+ years, and that is somehow better.

I don't dislike them, they seem like cool people, i just don't get it, and i feel like they got worse and I can't really listen to them anymore.

I was never that into Sterling, to be honest.

But yeah, the wrestling thing seems to permeate gaming video makers and podcasters in general. I feel like you could come up with a dangerous drinking game based on taking a swig every time a gaming media personality brings up some wrestling shit.

Top Gear, Not sure if this fully counts as YouTube but I’m sure that’s where most of us watched it. It hasn’t been the same since Jeremy, Richard, and James left.

Their spinoff shows haven't been the same, either. It's less about the cars and more about playing up their personalities. Or I'm just getting older and am tired of Clarkson being a condescending, belligerent prick about everything. To a lesser degree, I'm a bit bored of Hammond as well. Somehow, May is who I enjoy the most. Geek out, dgaf

He is the most down to earth normal guy of the bunch, and the only one I think I'd get along with if I ever met him IRL. The others... Didn't really handled their fame well

The older I get, the more I associate with the man who shit the fuck up and just let out a couple tears upon seeing the curvature of the Earth from a U2

It was never about the cars, it was the chemistry and banter between the three.

And I’ve watched it since they looked like this 😁

Here is the thing, i loved top gear a lot and to some extend i also like their other stuff just as much. But going back to the original top gear is kind of painful. A lot of it feels like filler, a lot of famous people talk about their movies. Famous people driving cars and a lot of their segments are actually pretty boring. I think when people remember the good old top gear, they talk about the specials, because they are just really good and fun

Degraded as in opinion or actual metrics?

If it's opinion I feel most channels naturally degrade over time as the broadcasters personality changes with the popularity increase.

My largest case and it's a likely a controversial take would be Markiplier. When he hit fandom he all but left the youtube lets play field in favor of other opportunities(which to be fair he was fully upfront with before he did it), then after months of almost no activity he came back with a different personality. (somewhat like how Jack did when he did his rebrand but was more noticeable). My eye opener to it was his GTFO series, I don't know of a good way to put it, he seemed super offputting and mean/childish to the people he had gamed with for years. I know it was likely meant to be a bit but, after an extended inactivity in the genre and then coming back and acting like that it was whiplash. He also seems to really be putting his fandom/viewer base on the side burner with everything, he hasen't posted regular videos in a long time(I expect it's due to his movie that he's putting his heart and soul into) and it's made it so I no longer get recommendations to any of his content since his channel has fallen off the algorithm for me. Like don't get me wrong, I still like his content(when he releases it), and he's been clear that youtube was a stepping stone for him and that his passion is in other areas but for the sake of the question I feel the channel fits.

youtube was a stepping stone for him

This has been clear from the beginning. Dude wanted to make movies and fell into gaming.

agree, why I mentioned that in the post. Still doesn't change the outcome that it degraded the channel which was why I used it as an example.

When my wife and I first moved in together she was an avid Markiplier watcher, and we watched all of his first? 24 hour stream. At like 3am he opened up probably way more than he wanted to and talked about how he struggles with interpersonal relationships, and how he always ends up pushing people away, as well as his incredibly unhealthy work ethic and I honestly can't remember the rest but he basically described how he always tries to portray himself very differently from how he is in reality, even in private with friends. Ever since then I can see it where he really does seem to always be playing a character of some sort (and the character definitely does change at times), plus people he's collabed with and referred to as friends seem to eventually disappear (except for Ethan, he seems to be the one who's always stuck through it all)

Basically he's got some demons that I really hope he's been able to find healthier ways to cope with

its usually for the worst, always ends up being right wing, or showing thier increasingly political bias.

The one that jumps to mind for me the most has got to be Rick Beato.

When I first found out about him he was just a super passionate and likeable dude totally geeking out listening to stems of classic records, just being endlessly appreciative and highlighting things that he thought were cool in a way that was reasonably accessible to regular music listeners. On the side he did some more technical music theory and musicianship stuff, which I could take or leave to be honest. But overall it felt like a channel that was there for sharing this dude's love of music with others.

Lately it's just been pounded down into mediocrity, I feel. He spends a lot of time chasing after bullshit trendy stories about AI music, spotify rankings, controversies of the week, long rambling live stream rants about various meta things that nobody has time for. The silver lining to all of that is that he has been doing interviews with musicians, which are generally pretty good, but it really depends on who he's talking to. I understand that DMCA takedowns get in the way of breaking down songs, and that sucks, but my problem is that it's often kind of negative stuff that distracts from talking positively about music, musicianship, production, etc.

I think he knows this because he recently put out a video about a big "change of direction" in the channel.

I liked the first video I saw of his a while back, but after the second or third video I realized he likes the smell of his own farts way too much. I can't watch him anymore.

I don’t really follow him but I watched his Hiromi interview. When she tries to explain something to him by first asking “do you know xxx?”, he answers with “of course I do” like he’s insulted someone would ask him that; even though Hiromi was just innocently trying to set a frame of reference so she could explain what she wanted to say. I agree he’s a bit too smug for my tastes.

I think that's fair. He seems pretty tired up in his pride. Seems like one of those people who is just afraid to admit he doesn't know something.

Back in the day when it was just him listening to stems and talking about how good classic songs were it was just a little bit less obvious/annoying. It was less about him and more about the song.

pretty much all of the ones that got bought out by PE. the biggest offender of that in my realm is veritasium

AvE used to be good but a while back starting saying dumb right wing political stuff. not dumb because it was right wing, to be clear. just that it was right wing and also was dumb. I still have thisoldtony though, he's better anyways. AvE mostly just had funny quips with a bit of knowledge. ToT has funny scripts and a lot of knowledge.

Scotty Kilmer was always a character, but I stopped watching years ago because idk I guess he just started putting out crappy clickbait content? idr

most Minecraft channels simply ran out of content to produce. the best two, to me right now, are mahjongblonsky and bigbooty17

what else... there's a ton of those informational sciency type channels that I no longer like because they're just too big budget trying to appeal to too many people. smartereveryday lost appeal to me — though I cannot say if quality has declined. it just lost appeal to me. mark rober, similar situation. haven't seen a video from either of them in a year, but been phasing it out for several now. I disliked when a bunch of channels did promo stuff with the US military, too.

oh, MKBHD — turned into a shill for excessive-tech-having cars. at least he made a separate channel for automotive content. I think? still, another situation of somebody speaking in your area of knowledge — I couldn't take him seriously or hear the shitty opinions any longer. as a counter, UnderDunn made a separate channel for his automotive content, and while not my favourite stuff to watch, it's not shill crap like MKBHD.

I tried scrolling through my YouTube subscriptions to see what other channels fit the bill, but I've already unsubscribed from them...

Lunduke and Sabine Hossenfelter took similar paths downward towards more money in the rage economy.

Braille Skateboarding. Dude shut it down without letting his team know beforehand because he'd fallen deep into Scientology.

Bourbon Moth

Loved to watch his videos as he made woodworking accessible. He also does really good work.

Then one day he built an epoxy river table then promptly blew it up... Literally blew it up... Which spread all that epoxy all over the place in a forested area. I still watched, but next he did a video on rags catching fire and it was all obviously staged. That was it for me, I unsubscribed then told Youtube to never suggest his videos again.

AVE

Funny enough it was AVE that exposed Bourbon Moth on his BS regarding the towels combusting. However, shortly after that whole thing AVE just really went downhill. Instead of being informative and amusing, his videos just turned into the narcissist's playbook for look at me! Haven't watched one of his videos since. Which is a shame, because his earlier videos were really interesting.

I used to love AVE, but there was a video where he seemed very proud of the fact that he taught his little girl the racist version of "Eeny Meanie Minnie Moe" and I couldn't find excuses for him any more. Then he cheered for the small business tyrant trucker revolt later and it affirmed my decision to unsub earlier.

I didn't know about him teaching his daughter that... Must have missed that video or had already unsubscribed.

Definitely an immediately unsubscribe reason.

I unsubbed after the convoy thing, but I didn't know about the other bit or I would have blocked him earlier.

Everything on YouTube apart from niche special interest content creators has gone to shit because all these high viewership channels got bought out by private equity.

Cinemassacre, for a couple reasons:

  1. The character of the AVGN is based on Mike Matei, not James Rolfe. James is mainly a horror movie nerd, and Mike is the gamer. As toxic as Matei can be about gaming, When Mike left, part of the Nerd left with him.

  2. They expanded to more recent games. It was inevitable, but it really killed the last personal touch the series had. The AVGN Earthbound episode is a great outlier, because you can tell that James wanted to make it and had at least some connection to the game. Most of the episodes now, he's reviewing games he has no connection to, using a script written by someone else.

Game Grumps, for similar reasons. Dan stopped being familiar with the games they played, so he stopped offering as much input. During Covid especially, he would order in food and just eat for half of the episode. They pivoted to not really marking the number of an episode in a series, thus making it harder to follow a series. Then they started releasing longer episodes and doing stuff like the 10 Minute Power Hour. I originally was drawn to the fact that you could watch an episode of GG or play it as background noise and still get some good laughs or vibes. That kinda went out the window, and so did I.

Let people explore their creativity 😢 The unsubscribe button is always there if you lose interest. That's what YouTube was about back in the day. You. Not how many you can please for likes and shares and enfuckment. Post what you want, and interact with people who like your content.

I've dropped a couple of channels because I suspected the presenter was a choad. I once unsubed from a movie-review channel because the presenter made a joke about "games journalism".

Another popular channel had (has) amazing content about historical guns. I first got a bad taste in my mouth because he covered some shit from Rhodesia. But I decided to give the benefit of the doubt. I know that collecting Nazi artifacts doesn't imply politics. Then the channel decided to cover "anti-riot" "crowd control" type weapons during the George Floyd Summer protests. Nah, I'm out.

When YouTube recommends a movie/game review channel, more than half the time I check their history they have videos complaining about "woke" or feminist themes. It's a minefield finding good video essayists on that platform who aren't terrible people.

like the channel owners making "anti-woke comments" or the comments in the seciton, i often see anti-woke comments in the comment section by random users.

FW has sooo many Rhodesia gun videos, it's such a clear red flag

I disagree that covering Rhodesian arms is a red flag. Rhodesia gets sucked off by a lot of terrible people, but their arms are legitimately interesting because they are different and because they have influenced a lot of modern conflicts.

I also agree that FW is very sus. He famously had a falling out with InRange TV over whether 2A rights should extend to people of all identities or not. If he isn't a bigot, he is at least a coward.

Ah, so that is why they fell out. I've been curious about that for a long time.

I've been on the fence about FW for quite a while otherwise as well. On one hand I like the format (before the self-promotion took over to this degree), on the other hand certain things were a bit suspect. Larry Vickers as a guest, anyone?

I don't get overtly bigot-vibes from him either though, so perhaps you're correct and he's just out to get his and that's that? It would be interesting to know.

For some obvious and dated answers: AVGN and =3

Pretty much all the old gaming YTers I used to watch I barely have time for because of how long the videos are. Most of this is down to streaming, and how long and plodding VODS are.

Also, ditto anytime they transition to doing it full-time. I remember YT in the 2000's when people basically just did it as a hobby.

Casual Navigation

The creator sold it and the last time I was looking it was AI slop

Yeah I was afraid of that.

Ashens, but I can understand why, he's been on youtube for 19 Earth years. He's doing the same schtick he's been doing since there was hope in the world, there's basically no object that fits on a sofa he hasn't snarked about. An entire registered voter's life ago, he would do some quite edgy content, but it's faded to snark. I wish him all the best, he seems to be an okay guy.

The Modern Rogue face planted hard. I think Brushwood tried growing the business bigger and faster than it could, while making a few obvious mistakes.

Most of them to be honest, not through their fault but the ever tightening squeeze of ABC Corp. on what is "acceptable" content and language. To the point some are giving up or deplatforming from Youtube to elsewhere. Stephanie Sterling if I had to say one but that's because they even acknowledged it's just the same thing over and over again. So they do less videos unless it's something particularly poignant.

Most degrade over time as they either grow tired of doing it after years of treating it as a job/ buisness with mutliple employees or they move on to other things and its just no longer a priority besides keeping the revenue going. Similar to watching a TV series or a podcast, they are all eventually must end but some go way past their time or upload frequency that worked and just end up a either corporate style mess since it is a job to sell ad space now or just too exhausted from the years to keep up the effort of being good. The second part is moreso for those that switched over to mainly streaming to make clips of them reacting to other people's content.

OG Youtube watcher since back with the Lonely Island being the only thing on there at The start. Ironically they're still pushing 20 years later as a podcast now vs their SNL style skits.

Philosophy Tube

Contrapoints along the same lines?

Contrapoints keeps showing her hand as a straight up liberal Zionist, so there's that

I didn’t have any political reasons. I just grew to dislike the writing style. I became disenchanted by the style of the videos.

I’m still up for watching new Contrapoints videos.

Contra is fine

But if you don't want to sour your opinion on PT even more, don't look into the history between the two

I watched a few of her videos just to have something on in the background while I worked. A lot of the takes presented didn't sit quite right with me, but I didn't know why. Then I watched her videos on Nietzsche and realized she hasn't read and actually understood what he wrote, despite claims to the contrary. I blocked the channel. I later found a sort-of response video from some other YouTuber that went through those videos and confirmed she didn't understand the material by countering each point with actual receipts.

Yeah, that resonates with me.

Do you guys remember Ray William Johnson? Last time I looked he was doing like super weird clickbait-y non news story naration. I don't know if anyone understands what I tried to say there.

Regular Car Reviews definitely peaked long ago.

They've largely stuck to the same formula for the past decade-plus, hiding masters-level literary theory, and copious amounts of toilet humor, under the guise of automotive journalism. And there's nothing wrong with sticking to the tried-and-true.

I still enjoy their videos, I make sure to watch them every Monday morning like clockwork. But they just don't hit the same anymore. There's not much that's memorable about their commentary these days, unless the vehicle in question is unusual on its own, like the shuttle bus RV conversion they reviewed... four months ago. I had to scroll past a bunch of videos for cars I honestly forgot they'd reviewed, when I checked their channel just now.

I miss the anger. I miss the passion that resulted from it. Brian's acknowledged this, and he's mentioned how he's just generally calmer and happier these days. And there's nothing wrong with that. I admit to souring a bit to all the giveaway cars he'd review/advertise... especially how you'd enter these giveaways by paying FIFTY dollars, pre-shipping, for a crappy camping mug, with a vaguely car-culture-related picture on it. But not an RCR mug. And I respect him for having (largely) stopped doing those giveaways.

But, like, the last video of RCR's that has actually stuck in my mind, was when they absolutely ripped into an Oldsmobile Bravada. And that came out nearly 5 years ago.

For me, RCR was one of those cases where I finally heard him talk about something I know a lot about, and he was so full of shit that I knew I couldn’t trust him on anything else. His VW beetle video from a couple years ago was so poorly researched, it was apparent not only that he was just paraphrasing Wikipedia and things people had told him, but that he hadn’t actually understood any of it himself. That and the engine building videos from his Falcon made me realize that he probably didn’t know what the hell he’s talking about with anything else, he just says it authoritatively.

Respectfully disagree. I was a fan from the first Honda Accord video and was a pattreon supporter when he opened it. I still watch watch every video.

It's been so long. I can't expect the same content as 10/15 years ago and I can't exext the guys to be the same people. But the groove is there. The humor is there. It's still raunchy and the furry stuff is different and fresh. I love RCR and I think the content still peaking.

Oh my god, they finally quit it with the constant giveaways? I could not stand those and completely stopped watching the channel.

The giveaways haven't completely stopped, but they don't make up every third/fourth review anymore. I think they only did two this entire year. And they've hardly ever pushed them when they did happen.

But yeah, I didn't enjoy them either. Could've been better executed, at least.

I saw Markiplier do a lets play for some indie roomba game many many years ago, he proceeded to have an almost religious experience, and I was like "fuck yeah, this guy gets it"

Fast forward and he promotes shit like No Mans Sky and TikTok, I automatically unsubscribe from anyone and everyone who promotes TikTok, and he's got this whole survivorship bias like "ANYONE can make a successful movie or webseries. Anyone! A Heist with Markiplier was only like $30,000 dollars production value... well, okay, thats a lot of money, but still!"

He's lost touch with reality and now he's just another salesperson.

Another one that's kind of downhill is Kurzegast, their recent AI video was really hollow and vacant of all the reasonable criticisms about AI and its immediate effects, some people have theorized that channels like theirs are being sponsored by a company called "Control AI" to muddy the waters and move the discussion away from things like holding companies accountable.

Skallagrim huffs his own farts almost as much as Matt Easton. I miss Mr. Chickadee.

Nearly all of them. Even if you pay for premium or use an ad blocker, the YouTubers just make their own commercials as part of the content and the more popular they become the more ads they create.

This might be too niche for anyone here, but Ronny Dahl.

He used to make good videos on four wheel driving in Australia, with good gear tips and longer form camping trips with his friends. Well, either he started editing his videos alone or stopped taking his meds or something, but now every video is quick cuts, stupid voice effects, stories that build into nothingburgers or intermingled stories that have nothing to do with each other and just get confusing. I also notice those friends he used to camp with aren't in his videos any more, so that's probably saying something.

At least I still have the 4WD 24/7 guys (although I don't really like the "next generation" they're trying to bring in).

FilmRiot

Used to be a fun channel about DIY filmmaking. They would replicated a number of things using DIY gear (how to make a dolly track, etc...)

After a while, it became entirely about replicating digital effects in After Effects and stuff like that, and when they do talk about hardware, it's sponsored content about gear that is far out of any amateur filmmaker's budget.

The why files feels very AI generated now, both visuals and story telling.

In my opinion Game theory has degraded quite a bit, partly because they grew too big and started bumping out more and more content on multiple channels which in my opinion saturated quite a bit. It doesn't help that there exists now long form video essays that go much more indepth in certain aspects of games and other forms of entertainment. MatPat leaving did also leave huge void that they can probably never fully replace.

Jimquisition or now rebranded as 'Stephanie Sterling' channel has also degraded quite a bit albeit there are some highs here and there. I liked their game coverage and loved the "Squirty Plays" and "Jimpressions" where they played and made fun of numerous sloppy games but they seem to no longer make them (maybe twitch? but I don't watch Twitch). But Jimquisition has become quite repetitive with its ramblings and I don't really care all that much about any of the LGBTQIA+ or wrestling stuff. Still following the channel though for those better videos that do occasionally pop up.

Similarly YongYea is one of those channels I've started to watch less. It's one of those channels that try really hard to please the audience by telling them what they want to hear instead of having more nuanced takes. Not only that many of his videos are overly long while providing very little substance. Nowdays I prefer Bellular News and Second wind more, and If I ever watch YongYea i'll ususally just jump a head in the video immediately when I hear him start rambling instead of focusing on actual news.

This may be hot take but Hbomberguy has degraded not necessarily in the quality but in the quantity department. I'd much more prefer smaller more concises videos more frequently than 1-3 hour long mega essays that get realeased like every other year. While many of these can be bangers I am not sure if they're overall worth the wait. These could at least be split to multiple smaller videos to spread out the content a bit and make them easier to digest. It's also huge risk if the topic is not something that doesn't interest you all that much. Similar could be said about ActionButton a.k.a Tim Rogers who took more than 2 years? to make 9 hour video about La Noire? Which I can't be bothered to watch because it's age restricted in youtube which would require me to log in.

Skallagrim! I am subbed to him also.

He is and has always been the weird metalhead kid in high school who is really obsessed with medieval weapons and not very socially apt. I don't mind his takes personally.

It's off topic to the rest of the thread, but I also want to point out that LGR has been consistently good for more than a decade.

Channels that are in the process of going down the tubes would include Skeeter Jean, Jidion and Predator Poachers. which are really three flavors of the same thing but they're all going downhill fast - although Predator Poachers (or more specifically, the guy behind him, Alex Rosen) has always been a scummy person.

I've been watching the Kings and Generals channel for a number of years now and I'm noticing the quality starting to waver a bit in the last couple years.

I might be playing Devil's Advocate here, but Psivewri.

I started watching him years ago for his tech videos, usually restoring mundane computers, and I still enjoy that content.

However, he started getting into automotive, and I'm glad that he's stretching out into other areas. It's clear he's still learning and probably on my level of mechanics (backyardie who can watch videos and read a workshop manual), but my issue is how he presents the videos like he knows what he's doing, almost like a tutorial - giving random tips throughout.

His Dad assists him with the work he does on cars (like myself) and in that sense, I'd rather hear tips from the Dad than him because I'd have more confidence he knows what he's talking about.


Otherwise maybe PhoenixSC? I started watching him when he was uploading redstone contraptions to r/Minecraft and he had 4K subscribers. His older, experimental videos were always interesting, and his work on adventure maps like PokeCA was amazing to watch.

Today, most of his videos boil down to the following:

  • Meme reactions
  • Takes on Mojang controversy and how he believes the community should respond
  • Joke Minecraft creations

I'm glad that he's grown to be more confident in himself and in general, become more entertaining when he talks, but I feel he's gone too much into the mainstream over the last few years rather than keeping to his lane.

I still like Skallagrim. He still gave helpful reviews about blacksmiths and historical weapons that I'm interested in. And IMO, his channel was always more entertainment than scholarship. But HEMA is a martial art that develops slowly, way slower than YouTube algorithm's demand. There are not many new stuffs to talk about. If there has to be fillers to get his channel going, I'm okay with that.

Edit: Back to the topic. There are not many channels that I care about degraded to the point that I can't bare. What makes me a little sad is that from time to time, channels stop publishing videos. Especially after Covid, people found better things to do, so they hibernated their YouTube channels.

Used to love Flossy Carter. His long form videos and overall style weren't for everyone, but personally I thought he was massively entertaining and funny. Hasn't been the same since he was called out for promoting a scam and then doubling down and using homophobic slurs against people who criticised him. An apology would have went a long way.

I watched a channel called- Escape the dream restoring a French chateau. I watched it religiously for likr 5 plus years and it helped distract we through covid. Within the last year as they became more popular the ads and selling amped up so much that I couldnt stand watching anymore. Before it felt relaxing and fun to watch now it feels like they are always trying to make money off everything to the detriment of their actual content. Full videos that are only ads, lots of content locked behind patron and now also YouTube membership too and the obnoxious in video sponsorships

Recently? Besides some specific and lesser known YT channels I watch, EWU and JCS comes first to mind.

All time? That is way too much to count but some most famous imo are PewDiePie, AVGN, JohnTron, =3, ТиХ (This is хорошо), Stonewall008, tons of ones I already forgot about.

Catfish Cooley. He made some funny parody redneck shit but it because clear he was not playing a character and that is what broke it for me. It ceased to be funny when you realize what he was behind the mask.

Upisnotjump

The videos have the same vibe and all, but there is no soul. It feels like there is no overarching point anymore, just opinion pieces in the same format. It feels like most videos could just as well have been ai written

A lot of older channels I watch, but due to a combination of not liking their content style¹ anymore and changing tastes. Channels like Kub Scouts, GrayStillPlays, Bijuu Mike, etcetera.

  1. A combination of how their content has evolved and adapted to a platform strangling itself every new day.

SMG4 is one that comes to mind, having watched his channel since its early days. His older videos, while clearly lacking polish and obviously made by a teenager, were actually funny and memorable. As time went on though, his content started to slip. Sure, the production quality improved as he started Glitchy Boy and later Glitch Productions, but the humour ended up becoming secondary as he switched from self-contained episodes to various "seasons" with ongoing storylines. It meant you had to keep up with every episode to know wtf was going on (the same mistake South Park made), and his attempt at making the series more of a drama than a comedy meant that the humour was more of a distraction that made it hard to take the drama seriously. Why should I believe Mario will die this time if I've seen him survive being blown up, set on fire and shot dozens of times before? Some of the best characters (Bowser, Toad, etc) ended up taking a backseat to his numerous OCs as well, and the voice acting sucked compared to back when everyone spoke with various meme clips and subtitles.

SMG4 was at its best when it was a bunch of multicoloured Marios just doing random funny shit, and didn't take itself seriously one bit. It's pretty clear Luke's passion is with Glitch's other productions, hence why SMG4 finally ended.

Not sure how many of you will know about Tom from the Geowizard channel, but I recently learned he's a reform voter (UK's trump-style party, Nigel Farage) and honestly I was kinda devastated. Took me completely by suprise too, considering he never talked about anything political and the nature of the content and his actions would've never suggested it. In hindsight there were a few small tip-offs that I brushed out as him being a bit old-school/rural and not very plugged in to internet culture and modern no-no's. I found out by listening to an album he recently released and one of the songs is about the replacement theory conspiracy...

i followed this asian talking/joking about news since my college days, they definitely declined and degenerated into magats over the pandemic. apparently it was over a female employer they fire unprofessionally, because she spoke out against them,a bout her pay, and all the drama snowballed from there, the old fans thought everything was going great until that employee posted on her own channel why she been removed from the channel. now they cant stop blaming women for thier own decline. i stopped following thier channel, and only visited the sub about them from then on, like in '23 which reports on thier decline, which they consistently tried to take down multiple times. thier NU Fans are mostly incel asians, and muslims, and Parasocial female fans, it was quite cringe when they actually brought one of the parasocial fans on the channel(read it throught the sub), and HOSTING tulsi gabbard.

and one of the channel owners as a veneer of progressive streak, but he often lets his libertian/ conservative leak often, it was kept in check until the INCIDENT with women in his channel, he pretends to be pseudointellectual now an anti-intellectual. being the right wingers they are, they are still to loudmouth that youtube buries them in thier algorithm. and yes they are trying to grift from the right, but them being asian and poc makes its very hard to compete white magas.

Lindybeige lost basically all credibility for me after the whole "Spandau" fiasco where he was trying to talk authoritatively about things he clearly didn't understand or had any knowledge of. It really made me question whether he knew anything at all about the things that I didn't know much about (pre-modern warfare mostly) and I ended up not watching another video of his after that.

Is that the right wing religious anti woke weirdo? I know that there are two guys who do similar content, and even have similar names, but i haven't seen them in years.

I think you are speaking of Shadiversity. The two used to collaborate on stuff. Then Shad fell out of favor for his conservative takes and now rambles on his own about how the woke takes over the world.

That's it. Somehow i thought for the longest time they are the same person.

Almost all of them that "care" have terrible thumb nails and titles. Just so clickbaity. Channels seem to get worse over time on that front

I used to watch Destiny, and while I still like that he does tons of research and shows people why maga talking points are wrong, I started noticing more and more I hate being around people who really care about their ego. He would be having a discussion with someone and instead of saying hm that's partially true but here's what I think could be missing, he says NO that is WRONG! It's such a massive waste of time to care about "winning" a debate, both people learn less and get more angry. I've noticed this with basically everyone who gets successful streaming, they kinda lock in at the age they were when they got successful.

VanlifePlus, or as the channel is now known, MATV. I started watching because I had an interest in Van Life. Regardless of your opinion on Van Life, it was a good channel, as he really showed what it was like to live in a van, and trying to navigate fatherhood as well as a full time job, etc. Matthew is very personable, and likeable. He explored not only places to stay in a van, but actual camping in a van as well.

He finally made enough money from YouTube to get his own place, and now he's only part time in the van, and is trying to get a gaming channel going, as well as building out a trailer for camping. I still find him likeable, but his content just isn't doing it for me anymore. I can see that the views on his channel are going down, so it's just a matter of time before he either has to quit YouTube and get a full time job, or supplement his YouTube with a job on the side. The content just isn't there anymore.

Bellular news. It used to be focused on giving gaming news. Now they use gaming news as an introduction for long ramblings, and added click bait titles.

. . . All? . . . of them?

Red letter Media is as great as ever

Them being so old and decrepit now makes up for them not being as drunk. It's the same experience pretty much!

It's extra funny when Mike fucks up, and most of their guests have been great. Wish Tim was on more often

Idk, did you see Jay during that last BotW? Gaddam

Technology Connections, Map Men, Dunkey, Tom Scott (rip) are as authentic as ever

he got tired of being an influencer, he knew when to quit.

The whole platform and all of its content are enshittified

Monetization ruined authenticity. Videos became just another product to push.

Ain't nobody seent that comin!

What was the animated youtube channel that was someone rant blog? Started fine because it was about harmless stuff like shopping carts and shit, but they went on a break and came back in the middle of covid ranting about vaccines and restrictions. Under something?

All of them. All they do now is bitch about the algorithm and YouTube policies. They turn from content on a subject to a bizarre social realtionship with the viewers. Nah dude, I don't care about you cat's hemorrhoids, just rebuild that carburator.

Cooking With Jack just hasn't been the same since he had his third stroke

Kurzegast (or however it is spelled). Lot's of copium and straight up denial, e.g. with respect to climate change.

What video do they deny climat change in? If anything, I find their videos explain the concepts of how it's happening and what it will result it (bad shit) super well.

Imo, I respect them cause they are transparent with the comunity. Of they make a mistake, they will reupload a video of required. Few other channels (especially as big as them) would do that

They work with the Gates Foundation, which pressured Oxford University into selling exclusive rights to their covid vaccine to Astrazeneca, after promising it would be free to all manufacturers.

Educational channels especially should choose their sponsors wisely.

I don't know anything about this pressure campaign you mentioned but do they still work with them? It's not like Kurzgesagt have no say over what the Gates Foundation does. If they still work together then that's not great but the Gates Foundation has also done lots of good stuff too, no? Idk what outweighs what but I think there are organisations that are far worse that we should be concerned about.

Given how rapidly things are deteriorating, I guess you could say "well it was 3 years ago." Clickbait title aside, this one seems really heavy on the copium to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxgMdjyw8uw

Almost the first half of the video is them saying we haven't been meeting any climate change targets.

I don't think it's copium to highlight the good things that have been changing like the fact wind and solar are straight up the cheapest energy sources. If there was no good news they wouldn't have made the video

Almost the first half of the video is them saying we haven’t been meeting any climate change targets.

You know I what they say about sentences with "but" in them. The rest of the video is basically a big "BUT"

I guess not everyone interprets the video as copium, but that is how I read it. It's not the only video that gave a similar vibe of unjustified optimism.

I felt that the outrage was solely related to vaccines and the gates foundation was the nail in the coffin for those people. Good riddance imo, why are anti science people watching a science channel anyways?

All of them.