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It must be nice to have the privilage to immigrate to wherever you want lol.

I mean I wasn't even supposed to be here. It's only pure chance that my family had relatives in the US. Less than 5% of Chinese live abroad, so... like imagine you ask a question like: "How many of you are actually fine with living in China"

I mean the wording implies that people living there are automatically supportative of the government or something.

Moving is hard, pal.

I had the advantage of being a child and learning English; now as an adult, I'd struggle learning French, German, or Norweigian.

You can do it. I learned Norwegian as an old man. Well, enough to get by. I still struggle, but it is possible.

Do people actually let you speak it, or do they just reply in English?

Depends. In some settings people switch to English the moment they realize English would get to the meat more quickly. But in others, people actually not only allow me but push me out of my comfort zone. That is very helpful.

It must be nice to have the privilage to immigrate to wherever you want lol.

Really they don't. The only group that can switch countries painlessly is the super rich, and even then it's not universal - some don't want foreigners regardless of how much money they bring.

I'm in my 40s and learning Norwegian (roughly 75 days in spending maybe 30 minutes a day on average). It's actually pretty easy. If you've never studied a Germanic language outside of English, you might have some word order issues to get used to, but that, so far, has been about it.

I uprooted my life and left. It's far too dangerous for me. I'm a trans latina. I grieve over the friends and community I left behind daily

There are multiple reasons why most people don't shift countries willy-nilly.

Moving, even within the same state is a difficult, stressful, and expensive prospect. Moving to a different country is even more so, and that assumes you have a job lined up when you get there or substantial monetary reserves. Then there are the legal hurdles, which depending on the destination country can be downright daunting. In many countries unless you are a top earner with an in-demand skill-set you are likely to experience significant legal challenges to even achieve temporary residency. And then there are language and cultural differences that can make life difficult once you get there. Unless you have friends/family already in the destination country and/or know the language you can expect it to be rough going for quite a while.

All this would be compounded if you have a family. Not to mention the added difficulty and expense involved with visiting or supporting extended family members or friends back in your original home country after leaving.

Simply put, most people simply can't move countries whenever the political situation in their home country gets dicey. It's only after the fighting starts do you see people doing that in significant numbers and at that point they are refugees.

It's either that or become an unwanted immigrant with no support. I feel this 100%.

I've read a lot of novels set in Germany/Europe in the Hitler Era.

I always used to be amazed at the people who would see what was going on, and who stayed.

One of my favorite series is the Bernie Gunther [Berlin Noir] novels by the late Phillip Kerr.

Bernie stays in Germany because he's a German. He was born and raised in Berlin and it's his home. No strong family ties, he just stays because he can't imagine living anywhere else.

I mean you get to pick which flavor of authoritarianism to live in

Shot by cop, unhinged lunatics doing mass shooting?

Or public beheading?

:P

Both are ruined by religious fanaticism.

This question is asked as if there is an obvious destination. Where do I move? Europe/UK isn't exactly killing it lately, so that's out. That leaves Australia and NZ for English-speajing countries, but I know nothing about them. I could move to Japan since I know some Japanese, but the Japanese are not well-known to be accepting of foreigners. The PM is literally trying to limit immigration. So where should I be moving as an American?

Canada is right next door

Not exactly easy to immigrate to, as you can see from the comment about CRS scores

My apologies, I didn't know.

Not great, mostly because we don't have close enough family in Canada. They're all too many branches out on the family tree to count.

I might have filled things in wrong since I did it quickly, but it's fun to see how governments try to balance different kinds of immigrations needs and skills.

No longer offer points for specialty job skills? Damn.

Where does it say that? As far as I can tell it's just job offers.

But yes, our housing market got fucked so we're scaling immigration back for a few years. Hopefully we get back to it afterwards, since from our perspective it's free population, and obviously it's good for the immigrants.

I don’t know, it was an informational note on one of the pages.

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My spouse and I are both well-educated professionals, but it would help if we spoke French

Thing is I uprooted my family to move to the US 15 years ago and loved it here, and still do. I hate the current everything of course, Ikbut 'm still a bit idealistic and still believe the country will right itself. How long it will take, I don't know, but I still believe it.

(... ok back to the job search, yay layoffs)

OMG ARE YOU ME?

I also moved here approx 15 years ago.

But yea this is basically how I feel.

Don't wanna go back to PRC... omg I remember that ugly looking tiny "apartment" unit... in Guangzhou 15 years ago... dirty as hell, 5 flights of stairs no elevators god damn lol... imagine if you break a leg, how do you even go home / leave home?

I've been here since I was 8, this is more "home" than China ever was. I can't even understand the Chinese internet, the slangs. The complete utter lack of mental health awareness and acceptance. Holy shit my parents are so cruel, especially mom. Can't imagine asking my recent AskLemmy question on a Chinese Forum. Probably get bombarded with "you disrespecful child" comments.

I like the west much more than China, much more progressive.

In a lot of ways what I see the US turning into is a lot like China. So yeah, that would be tough.

russia actually more than china. USA is heavily influenced by russia, through propaganda, thats why the gop mimics putin's russia.

Hmm. Well, that's true, what's emerging is a lot more of a corrupt morass than an actual, defined one-party system like China has. Maybe something else will grow out of it, but that remains to be seen.

How it acts on the world stage more China-like though. Nativist, aggressive and clueless but still taken seriously because they're so huge. Probably the economic policy too - China is a lot more protectionist than Russia.

2nd time i come across you here ;)

I'd like too but I don't think it's a possibility. I don't have the money or the skills.

Agreed love to get fuck out of this capitalist, dictatorship, but where can we go? Love to live in Iceland.

It's spreading everywhere. I noticed a year ago my buddy in India was talking about it on a Spotify interview. Apparently, non-caucasian cultures are having the same problems with division and authoritarianism. Also, dissenters are being treated very poorly there now.

International nationalism. It's just a divide and conquer strategy being pushed everywhere. Some places like Spain, Ireland, and South Afrika seem to have an international push against it but a lot of the rest of the world have only local resistance to it at the moment. At least from a an english readers perspective. I hope in other languages there is more opposition.

Are you going to help me immigrate out of here? Will anyone on Lemmy?

For all the political posturing and holier than thou attitude I see on Lemmy not a single one of you would do anything to help me.

My thoughts are why should I move? America the country is beautiful and bountiful. I'm not the one wrecking it. I'd rather work on cleaning up the mess than just tossing everything I've ever had.

People from other countries can mock, but a lot of what I see going on in the EU doesn't seem far behind or is in some ways worse. Chat control, anti-immigrant policies, and a rise in fascism over there as well.

At this point, I feel I'm still better off with the enemies I know.

I think you're having a better go than me. The reason I'm having such a rough time is that I don't have the things that make life bearable. If I "tossed everything I ever had" it wouldn't be much to toss.

Trump and Musk took my job in May. I had to pick up a gig working nights for a third of what I was making without benefits.

Once again thanks for the owl pictures.

This year has been tough mentally, but I've at least managed to maintain overall stability, and thankfully my wife has done very well this year considering we lost both her parents in the last two years.

I don't know where you're or what work you do, but I'm at a huge pharmaceutical company, so they hire damn near every kind of job since we're basically self contained. I'm a nobody so my name won't open doors, but I can always watch postings if you are able to get up to KOP or Collegeville. Like I said before, PM me if you ever need to.

We can only make things better if we're looking out for each other.

I would even accept financial assistance for the extreme costs of the move. I’m generous like that.

What would help look like? I could answer questions, help practice the language etc. But otherwise what could anyone do? I can't give you a job or a visa. My apartment isn't big enough to house someone. There just isn't too much us normal people can do.

job or a visa

Unfortunately that's exactly what I need.

Well, that's nothing anyone can just provide you with. You'd need to do your research, maybe ask around in relevant expat communities. Check if your country of choice needs people with your skill set. What I can tell you is that I know many expats who come on a tourist visa to job hunt, usually stay longer with a student visa and learn German in language schools and then try to get a job from there. It does require quite a lot of funds though.

I'd help you, to what degree I can, which is not too much.

If you're stuck, I'm just sorry about that, no attitude at all.

Can you supply a job offer? I have a background in UI/UX Design, Frontend Web Development, and I have project management certifications. I can move myself and I don't have dependents that would move with me. I can pay to relocate myself. I just need a source of income and a chance at a better life.

I'm afraid not. Although, that's the least of your problems if you're coming to Canada. You need to qualify competitively and immigration levels are tight right now, while our housing market catches up. If you can do that, getting a job as an educated American should be easy.

What I can do at my current moment in life basically amounts to personal favours, that's it. I'm not even in a convenient location for crashing.

I appreciate the sentiment regardless.

I wish I was born Canadian instead of Texan.

I did it before.

Like you sponsored someone? You hiring?

I’m fine. I live in a dark blue state that is fighting, ignoring, offering sanctuary as they can. Depending on your assumptions we have the highest quality of life in the us. We’re trying to hold to our environmental commitments despite the federal government reneging on commitments to power transmission, power generation, transit upgrades, and ending the California waiver that let other states set higher air quality standards. We’re holding to health coverage for all despite the federal government ending funding. We’re holding to public health standards by leading a regional cooperate for fact-based vaccination standards. I’m proud of the number of my fellow citizens participating in “No Kings” and similar protests. I’m proud of colleges and corporations holding to standards for education, diversity, equity and inclusion.

Things are getting even more expensive here, due to the policy chaos and federal rejection of anything that might look to the future or to care to people, but we’re holding together. It certainly helps that I make a good income here.

However this is the first time I really worry about the future my college kids will live in. I keep telling myself history will reassert itself, our current situation is an outlier. I tell myself this is a national version of a mental breakdown: we will recover and spend the rest of our lives fixing the damage. There is hope

If I had to move somewhere, Canada would be the obvious choice. Ive visited so many times and it’s always been great. Canada has always been a great neighbor, putting up with our bullshit. Realistically from my interests and job, I’d be most interested in Vancouver or Toronto areas. Toronto is closer to my family, and my company has an office there, so it would be an easy transition

Already left and in Europe but in a bit of a grey area with residency between two countries here. Doing my best to get sorted more permanently and to stop sending my tax money to the US and instead send it to one of the two governments (whoever is willing to let us continue as a family to live).

It was stressful and expensive over the last year+ but wife and I are both in high risk categories for detention, persecution, and possible separation from our new baby in the US, so not much choice. We are liquidating assets there which is not good for our financial future but hopefully we aren't too old to rebuild stability in Europe somewhere, or failing that, the Philippines where we have much better residency privileges.

If I had the money to I'd leave in a heart beat.

I do like living in the USA. There is generally a reliability and safety that I haven't seen in many other places. There are big problems for sure, and being married to an immigrant is worrying at times. We absolutely have backup plans but so far we have not seriously considered leaving.

Can’t move. Too old to qualify for visas anywhere else and my occupation isn’t a valued need.

even if, you have to learn the culture, maybe the language, and a job, and a place to live, and coverting your currency and transferring to an internaitonal instuition too.

If I can afford to I'd love to leave the USA at some point.

I have family here, I have a house here. I’ve built a life here.

Canada’s great but cold. Europe would require me to rebuild everything in my life. Plus, Europe is dealing with their own problems at the moment - its own rise of the right; the threat of Russia. In Australia, everything wants to kill you or cause you great pain, even the plants. South America seems enticing, but the US affords more opportunity for now, so maybe when I retire.

Everywhere you look, the deeper you look, you realize that everywhere has their own problems. Times change, seasons change. Right now we’re in a conservative phase. We’ve been here before. So instead, I’ll stand my ground and weather it out with the allies I have around me. I’d much prefer to be part of the resistance anyway.

fuck yeah

We’ve been here before.

Like what, the Civil War era? Obviously Trump is not Bush or Reagan or Eisenhower.

I'd like to point out that nobody in Australia hates the wildlife. It's all small, shy or confined to the water. It has issues too but I wouldn't avoid it just over that one.

  • The great awakening (the original woke, bit ironic now, ain’t it?)
  • Redeemer / post reconstruction era
  • Fascism after the New Deal
  • McCarthyism
  • The “Contract With America”

I should probably throw in the Gilded Age too as it seems to fit with our current situation nicely. We had a decent progressive push after the last one. History rhymes, so here’s hoping.

And yes, Australia is probably great. Would love to visit one day. However, politically, It has been led by their conservative party for the majority of two decades now - and has outsized influence from China due to it being a major importer of Ozzie’s natural resources.

Two out of the five never got real political power, though. Meanwhile McCarthyism blew over because it was just a component of a larger panic within a healthy democracy, and the Contract with America looks like it amounted to a slight reorganisation of congress in the end.

The whole racist South thing is a more reasonable comparison. Although it was a time when things went by region a lot more, and the larger north could apply pressure. I can't really see a Lincoln or fifteenth amendment coming to the rescue the same way this time around. Just, who's left to stand up to MAGA?

I should probably throw in the Gilded Age too as it seems to fit with our current situation nicely. We had a decent progressive push after the last one.

Sort of? Inequality took on a different character after Teddy, but the roaring 20's is often lumped into the gilded age anyway. That's because it wasn't really a political (or spiritual) movement so much as wealth self-accumulating like it always tends to in agricultural civilisation. You were right to leave it out.

I tried to get out in 2013, failed, tried again, and succeeded in 2015. I now have permanent residence in Japan. If I had it to do over again, I probably would have gone somewhere in Finnoscandia instead (and indeed I'm working on Norwegian now as a backup plan). When my parents pass, I will probably renounce my US citizenship entirely; I have zero plans to ever live there again and, at least for now, zero plans to visit unless someone is dying.

I learnt Japanese in my 30s. It blows my mind seeing threads where people just give up if there's not English or they must learn another language.

its not because they cant learn the language, its financial and societal change its not as easy to do that for most people.

I'd love to move and could probably swing it but I have a lot of pets that cannot cross the country. I have made a lifetime commitment to them so until they pass I will not leave. When I do will be to Japan or Uruguay. I have no problem learning languages quickly. I just can't leave these animals behind.

What's your plan to get into Japan? It's not a place that likes immigration.

they do like white westerners though, especially the ones that have money, or they are married toa japanese spouse. im guessing if you're an asian, you can blend in more easier.

To visit. Immigrating is a whole other thing - this BBC retrospective paints a pretty clear picture in the section about the village. I remember reading an account of somebody that's been going to the same corner store run by the same guy for decades, but who still gets followed around because "foreigners commit crime".

Looking Asian might make it worse if anything, because Japan has less than awesome relations with other Asian countries, and some of them come with a poverty stigma.

you're one of the good ones

when u want to move but you're autistic with severe anxiety 😭

FYI the USA is one of the very few asshole counties that tax expats. Yes there is a 110k exemption, but still it's such asshole behavior.

I forgot which other countries did it, but it was just a handful.

What are they going to do if you don't pay?

I don't know, I'm sure they'll fuck with you unless you are rich enough to lawyer them a middle finger

dont go back to the USA i guess, its not like they are going to extradite a non-payer that is earning income form another country.

I would love to move out to an EU country like Ireland, Germany or the Netherlands.

The big issue is getting accepted into other countries. What options for visas that go beyond a year have specific requirements that must be met, and many of those requirements are entirely circumstantial and dependent on people in those countries you've never met.

EU bluecard. Or chance card

if i had a phd in specialty i wouldve been gone already. plus for everyone else you need to know the lay of the country you are in, getting a job, a place to rent out, learning the local culture and language, how to transfer your USD to a countries currencies.

I'm getting the fuck out as soon as I am able

good luck to you bro

My problem is that I love the state/region I live in, but large swathes of the rest of the country are a risk to my life and my age, skills, and minority status don't make me appealing from an immigration standpoint, let alone that many places have just as much of an issue with people like me as the Republicans do.

Would if I could, but I can't, so I won'r.

Never have been fine with it and would move in a heartbeat if given the chance. Only thing keeping me here is lack of funds and a useful skillset. My family is just my parents who most likely only got maybe a decade or so left in them. My friends are all on Discord with none living near me (hell one is in a different country already). My job pays well, but isn't exactly skilled labor or anything I give a shit about.

I would like to move to Canada - I even have an in, as my grandfather was from there. Circumstance, however, prevents it as a practical goal.

If the opportunity presents itself, then maybe.

Currently working on actual plans to move to another country. I hope you don't mind if I don't say where.

I'm trying to move to a better area, one where things can get better locally

Even if the country ends, we're not all going to die. We're going to have to organize locally, and I'd rather be somewhere where I can do that

I would have left already if it wasn't that I have kids in college to support and would like to see on the holidays without spending an arm and a leg to fly then here. My spouse also doesn't want to leave but she is slowly coming around so hopefully in 4-5 years I'll be leaving for some tropical beach or european car-independent heaven and never looking back.

Talking with people in tech the path is go remote, go international, and then go abroad. With people talking EU, south East Asia and some Central America. Just depending on ethnicity or culture they grew up with.

Short answer is nope.

If you mean for political reasons, no, because unless Trump succeeded in creating dynasty that many people are talking about then there is hope that someone will step in and force the government back in the right direction. So this will be a temporary setback.

Now when I mean set it back in the right direction I don't mean back to the far left either, I mean I hope for a reasonable rational leader willing to work to a better future for all Americans. Both sides have lost what it means to work for all Americans as the president of the USA and not just their party extremists.

As an average low middle class American, life isn't terrible but economic insecurity and living costs are becoming a major issue that is directly connected to Trump. Cost is up 30% in the last year, privacy is under attack again, consumer protections are being stripped away, environmental protections are being removed, general infrastructure investments are being defunded, public relief and assistance being removed, AI is out of control, and there are fewer jobs being created. While Trump lies and tries to cover it up, he is actually firing people in the government or refusing to release negative data to the public in an effort to cover it up. He is actively silencing people which goes against a core American belief that this country was founded on.

Now when I mean set it back in the right direction I don’t mean back to the far left either

that has literally never been the case for the usa

I wouldn't worry about the far-left - there doesn't seem to be a single far-left politician with a platform in the US. I'd be more worried about the mayority of people currently in the legislature being either far-right or enabling said far-right people. Those people will still be there after Trump.

It's actually why I don't see any forcing back to normalcy happening. If there were extremists on both sides it'd be a kind of level playing field, and someone in the center could rally support for reforms to stop the chaos. As it is, democracy is just being hollowed out bit by bit, and there's no incentive to stop.

"back to the far left"

Can you point on the timeline when the far left was ever in charge that we COULD go back to?

As in a swing too far in the opposite direction, if you keep reading I meant for a swing to a more moderate state of being

The thing is that it would take an extremist left wing government to bring it back to some level of normality. FDR was a Democratic Socialist (officially), and the New Deal was one of the best improvements for the country we've ever had (minus all the blatant racism and destruction of minority communities that the highway projects caused). It was American socialists and anarchists who fought a bloody struggle that won the world the 40 hour work week and weekends. And even that was merely considered a stepping stone on the path to a 20 hour work week. The Overton Window has been pushed so far to the right that we've forgotten what it truly looks like to have 2 sides in the government.

if you arnt a scientist or MD, research in a niche field, it will be very inadvisable.

I am fine with it, if they stay there, because I don't live there ; -)

(Ok ok, someone has got to resist the clown some time or other - just not sure if they are already born who are able to)

I guarantee you are getting a warped picture of what it's actually like to live here. I haven't noticed a change in my daily life based on who is president for my entire life.

Cue all the boring-ass comments like "you must be priviliged," "you're clearly not black," "how nice for you that you aren't a government employee."

You haven't noticed how expensive groceries have gotten this year? Does sound a little bit privileged, imo

idk what's going on in the big cities but out here in bumfuckville prices have barely moved. I guess I'm privileged for living in a rural shithole

What's the price of ground beef in your magical bumfuckville? I looked up prices at my bumfuckville back home and it's sitting around 6$ a lb

this comment explains so much about your perspective.

You're assuming I didn't move here recently, but nice try. Something tells me you do that a lot.

getting "my girlfriend is a model from two towns over" vibes.

I haven’t noticed a change in my daily life based on who is president for my entire life.

I mean, that's true everywhere, even long-authoritarian places. It takes time for the crap happening at the top to roll down.

Obviously, it eventually does.

That assumes we all live there -_-

Or just directs the question at those that do.