According to the bible, God has created light, space, time, matter etc. This is a strong hint that he is not made from such things.
God was created by the Old Ones, and exists in dreaming slumber.
The Bible also says God walked the earth like a regular man
To have created the universe, God has to exist outside of / independently of it. Therefore probably not made of atoms.
Fun fact - according to most christian thinkers/speakers I've listend to, this makes Christianity incompatible with pantheism (the belief that God is the universe, often referred to as "we are the universe experiencing itself").
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same would apply for various other religions, christianity is the one i'm most familiar with
Look into the kabbalistic concept of tzimtzum, it's an interesting take.
Those kinds of arguments fail if someone believes that God created logic as well.
Clearly he would be made entirely out of Higgs-Bosons. (aka the god particle)
It was never meant to be called the god particle.
The Higgs boson is popularly known as the "the God Particle". The name originated from Nobel Prize-winning physicist Leon Lederman's book on the particle which he titled the "Goddamn Particle" -- owing to frustration over how difficult it was to detect.
https://www.ndtv.com/science/what-is-higgs-boson-and-why-it-is-called-the-god-particle-5410111
We simply cannot answer that. Nothing in our models can lead to omnipotence, so there is no way to theorize about it.
We would need someone to propose an explanation that we could test.
I'd rather doubt it. I tend to think of God as the original uncaused action.
But the most important thing is to have a healthy scepticism towards anyone who claims to have definitive knowledge of God.
God was created by the Old Ones, silly.
The religion book we studied at school literally argued that God exists because everything must have a creator.
Like... what? Then who created God?
I wouldn't believe my own comment if I was someone else and hadn't read that book with my own two eyes.
The great thing about your imagination is that anything can become true if you believe it.
If i had to pretend to be religious id say dark matter/energy has the best chance so far
dark matter/energy
These are just holes (or errors) in our current physical formulas LOL
Literally "god of the gaps"
You take one part determinium, spin it causationally, add two parts euphorium (seasoned to taste), mix well in a negative space-time bowl, finally sprinkle with sarcasm spice. Boom. Done. Easy.
No, if we consider classical theism (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, not sure what else but It should be quite universal), then god has no physical properties such as mass or shape. No mass would mean no atoms.
So, would it be a phenomenon then? Like weather? Some say God is unchanging, so not the same as weather…
Except that one can't have weather as a phenomenon without atoms.
Judaism, Christianity, Islam, not sure what else but It should be quite universal), then god has no physical properties
Buddha and all the wooden gods in various jungles would like to have a word with you
Photons don't have mass.
Yeah, so no atoms.
It does have cock and balls though, and goes by he/his pronouns.
You cannot compare God to anything physical; He doesn't have atoms
Except of course Jesus who is God Incarnate, through Whom the world was made
It’s made of unicorn farts
How many of those can dance on the head of a pin?
Not unless He becomes Incarnate, which He did. So Jesus is God and His human nature is made out of atoms, but God The Father isn't made of atoms or any created thing. He can certainly affect and command created reality.
We simply have no idea. The laws of physics began when the universe began as far as we know. Nothing before need necessarily be party to any laws, comprised of matter, or exist in time.
Divine entities could just be an energy, that would technically not be "made of atoms'.
Or it could be a process
Like fire
Or like consciousness
which are not really made of atoms, but a byproduct of atoms interacting
Isn't that pantheism?
If god were real, and created the universe, I’d think that its existence would be described as something that just is. There is no start or end, no body to observe, nothing to communicate with. In the way that this supreme power would exist, there is no way for us to quantify it.
Maybe it’s excited oxygen molecules?
In the way that this supreme power would exist, there is no way for us to quantify it.
So, dark matter, then?
/jk
This seems to me like the same kind of question as the one about werewolves in space. If you're going to make up some lore, make up whatever you want!
Did you just assume gods gender?
God's pronoun is 祂¹
God has no genders, and God is all genders simultaneously
(¹pronounced the same as 他 (he/she) and 她 (she), [tā], but used for diving beings only)
Glad to see someone else repeat this obscure fact about Chinese that I knew. It's what I live for.
Not sure why I got downvotes tho lol, guess Lemmy is Sinophobic
Anyone who isn't saying something like "hahaha well skyfairy isn't real1!1!1!" On a topic like this is also susceptible to downvotes. Although the Chinese might have a part to play because we all know china is automatically a big bad!
No. More like fundamental particles or even just energy waves.
What are the thoughts in our heads made of? I'd imagine any god to be made of much the same.
They are made up of electrical impulses. So that would imply you need some kind of device to run god on.
I believe they would be made out of something that we do not know if they were even of anything.
God is made of God. He just was, is, and is to come. He transcends all time and space.
He would be made out of the snake body and the lion head!
Finally a reason to tell everyone I've discovered gnosticism. It's like normal religion, but for pessimists. On the other hand, so many Therion songs just make sense all of a sudden.
The probability that God exists is roughly the same as probability that you can find electron in the certain time and place. Is God made from atoms ? It's hard to tell because first we need to answer question, are humans made from atoms or from empty space ?
If any "god" exists then everything goes out the window. Anything can happen. Could be atoms could not kinda their choice I guess.
God is made of Axioms, if you try really hard you can pronounce these the same :o
If you consider the universe as the body of said creator, then sure.
That's not what the question was about, but thank you for your perspective, fedora neckbeard redditor
As with most things, I assume religion was originally created with an intent to understand the world and to improve things for everyone. Ignorance reinforced the beliefs, and eventually someone figured out that they could use it as a tool to control people.
Religion is a series of documents that conveyed safety regulations and fictional stories about morality which were eventually misconstrued as divine guidance.
You'll first have to define "God".
I figure that God is the universe and it's laws. An all knowing and all powerful being doesn't require deliberation to act, would understand all permutations of their action, and isn't limited in any way physically. A big bang would be one such way that could manifest.
Why even add the concept of a god then? Why add anything supernatural if you're only talking about natural processes. It's completely unnecessary, and impossible to prove or disprove
god is a set of mathematical statements or at least that's how to interpret it in a modern sense, 2000 years ago these views didn't exist so they just called it "the metaphysical realm" but it's not made of atoms, no.
Yes. All of them.
Also, but not just, if we consider classical theism (pantheism), then there would be nothing that God isn't. As God, if we would think of God as the foundation of all being, could not be anything that isn't. Since what isn't is without foundation.
Also, but not just, if we accept panentheism, where God is everything that is and isn't.
Not at all in the dualistic theistic view where there is a distinction between what God has put in motion, the physical world, and the heavenly realm where the souls/angels/God resides. In base a distinction between the subjective and the physical.
Basically the only time that anybody would accept God as 'made out of atoms' is if that person accepts the inherently and mostly explicitly atheistic view of metaphysical physicalism. Arguing for God from physicalism is like arguing for social healthcare as a (US) republican. There is an inherent disconnect between the two.
pure energy, or thought/conscience. this was the case in DCU THE PRESCENCE, or SPN basically indestructible energy(not against other primoridals though). since they would exist beyond a reality they wouldnt be made out of anything that we can percieve.
I’m not religious any more at all, but I thought of god as a permeating energy. Energy can become matter and light. Someone smarter than me can explain why that doesn’t make any sense, but that’s what my brain had come up with when I was wrestling with it.
If God exist he will likely be something else entirely probably made of another material outside of sub atomic particle. If God is made of atoms then his no God he still beholden to laws of physics. Personally closest to God for me are blackholes those thing are the Cathulu of the universe they will eat everything. I think there was a theory that were technically inside one.
Consciousness creates matter, not the other way around
Of course not, that's a property of our existence, of spacetime. God, the Creator, is necessarily outside of the universe, not subordinate or contained by it. This was already addressed and understood by many throughout history, like Levantine and Mediterranean philosophers, but the Romans made anthropomorphic deities and Roman Catholicism did the final heresy and straight up made a man a deity, lol, so the wisdom of the ancients was replaced by state propaganda and Western hedonistic nihilism. 🥲🤷
Bruh...
Fucking ridiculous and western centric as fuck to say Jesus was the first person labeled "god personified"...
Like, the current Japanese emperor is "believed" to be the descendant of a literal god. And that shit took off long before AD or Jesus. But it undoubtedly happened much earlier all over, we just don't have evidence of pre-historic times, that's literally why we call that period "before history".
Doesn't mean nothing happened, just that we don't know what was happening, yet.
And the christians stole most of their lore from the Hindus and Buddhists anyway.
I thought we were supposed to have stolen it from the greeks... Or the romans... Or the egyptians.... Or this is a sign that it's just a tiktok level argument
The Romans and Greeks were also influenced by the Far East. And all of these things can be true at the same time. All religions are built in the foundations of those of earlier cultures.
Well, they committed the ultimate heresy as well, the difference is that one is still ongoing while the other ones are largely ridiculed and understood as nonsensical. Also, I'm talking to a very Western audience... 🤷
the difference is that one is still ongoing while the other ones are largely ridiculed and understood as nonsensical.
What?
Loads of people believe both...
It sounds like this is one of those things where you're just gonna keep saying false things no matter what I explain.
You don't seem to have any intention to learn and change.
You have an opinion and nothing can change that, which is fucking depressing because loads of people think like that now. So I'm going to block you now because it's already too much like Idiocracy without running into your willfully ignorant comments again.
This is a pointless conversation. Yes, many do, nonsense in believed around the world, in many shapes, and I assume we both believe this isn't productive for humanity as a whole. And yes, do block me, free yourself from being triggered and me from your tantrums. 👋
Oh wow, you must have evidence if you're this confident that you're correct and everyone else is wrong...
Conceive THE GOD and tell me how it's inside and constrained to its own creation with the rest of us... Go ahead, do the work and post it here.
Also, everyone else? Maybe on Lemmy with nihilistic Westerners, but there's a world outside of the West and a good 25% (?) agree with me. Not that it matters much but it is what it is.
Conceive THE GOD
I'm gonna stop you right there: how about no. I have no need to do this.
So you don't want to think and don't want others to think and talk about the things you don't want to think about either? Fitting.
How am I doing that?
I base my opinions and decisions on evidence. It's really that simple. If you've got evidence for your God, the go ahead and accept your Nobel prize
Evidence for something necessarily outside of the universe (the way the programmer is outside of the Sims)? My man, you don't understand, God is something you can reach through abstract thought (inspired by nature and life, sure, but only inspired) and divine inspiration. You can't use the scientific method for the unseen!
How convenient
How you feel about it is irrelevant, it just is what it is.
Because... You say so. Got it.
Bish please. Man made deity is the most common thread all major civilizations share.
It's easy to worship men, most just choose to worship themselves from the lot. It also means nothing. 🤷
Christianity teaches Jesus is God. Not just Roman Catholicism. Jesus claimed to be God Himself. Jesus isn't a separate deity, he is God (YHWH) incarnate.
My man, we will never agree because I am fundamentally a monotheist and your deity is a man. Act good deeds and I'll act good deeds and maybe we'll argue in the afterlife. 👋
I am fundamentally a monotheist
I am also a monotheist.
your deity is a man.
My deity is God, the creator of this world. The same God who created the Heavens and the Earth, of all things seen and unseen. The same God worshipped by Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Moses, David and Elijah.
Act good deeds and I'll act good deeds and maybe we'll argue in the afterlife.
This is a lie from the devil. You can never be good enough for Paradise by your own works. Your works cannot save you. Every good work you do is something you should have been doing anyway - in fact, if you neglect to do a good work when you had an opportunity, that is a sin. Therefore, a good work cannot cancel out your sin. That's like trying to get out of a fine for running a red traffic light because "I usually stop at red lights". Or trying to get out of a speeding fine because "99% of the time, I go the speed limit". Or for theft because "most of the time, I don't steal. I pay for my products". Sin cannot go unpunished.
That's a lie by Paul only eaten up by those who don't feel like having personal responsibility, it just pushes you to have "faith without deeds" and makes your actual decisions made by free will, the only thing you'll be judged on (you've read the Sermon on the Mount, come on), inconsequential. Also, a belief in a very cruel God which, seing how he made this whole universe and us for free, is kind of nonsensical. This is the basis of all Western and finally American forms of Trinitarian belief: what I think and what I say and do are fundamentally different and they can be, my belief is a coverup, a fashion item at best.
Also, you're not a monotheist by definition, lol, you're Trinitarian! If you thought that Jesus was who he was, a man, a rabbi, a preacher, a social worker and a prophet, and also believed the Holy Spirit is distinct from God, subordinate to Him, then sure. But you don't, you believe in a small pantheon of peers... or am I mistaken?
If God doesn't punish sin, then he isn't just, is imperfect and not God at all. You will be judged on your acts, yes. But your acts cannot save you. Jesus even said "I am The Way, The Truth and The Life, nobody gets to The Father except through Me" "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life" "On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
This is the basis of all Western and finally American forms of Trinitarian belief
The Trinity isn't a western belief. It is believed by Christians in Russia, China, Africa, Europe and the Americas. It is a Christian belief. Jesus was the first to lay out the Trinity - that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all under one Name. There are more Trinitarians in many of these countries than in Europe or North America.
What do you think ROMAN Catholicism is? 🤔 It certainly isn't Judaism/Abrahamic monotheism, the law and the prophets that Jesus followed, the God of submission to His tenets in the Mosaic law for example (see, acts are what define faith), but its own thing. And if 1 = 3, what kind of lies can't be built on top of that?
Roman Catholicism is the largest branch of Christianity. They believe the Bishop of Rome is a supreme pontiff over the Church. The Trinity is accepted in Protestantism, and also in the Eastern churches (Greek, Russian, Oriental, Coptic Orthodox, etc)
The Prophet Isaiah wrote of a Child who will be called "Almighty God".
Isaiah 9:6-7
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will do this.
Jesus also claimed to be YHWH that Isaiah wrote about:
Isaiah 44:6-8
Thus says the LORD(YHWH), the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD(YHWH) of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god. Who is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and set it before me, since I appointed an ancient people. Let them declare what is to come, and what will happen. Fear not, nor be afraid; have I not told you from of old and declared it? And you are my witnesses! Is there a God besides me? There is no Rock; I know not any.”
Revelation 22:12-13
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
To dumb down the trinity as "1=3" is a dishonest representation, as you're trying to use earthly matter to represent and be an image of God Himself.
I appreciate the effort because at the very least it shows you believe in something, which is rare in some parts of the world and certainly on Lemmy... but it's not a dumbing down, it's literally what it is. And any Trinitarian variant comes from the same Roman core, let's not split hairs here, it literally started being dogma after the Council of Nicea, prompted and led by Constantine, the Roman emperor! It's quite literally imperialistic appropriation, this time of Abrahamic monotheism as lived by and preached by the J man. Regardless, it makes no sense and it never will. And belief in the unseen necessarily has no evidence to support it, but by itself, Trinitarianism is not internally consistent, things don't follow nor fit.
The Council of Nicæa was in modern-day Türkiye, not Rome. Jesus preached that He is God and that the consciousness of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said "In the Name (singular) of The Father, and of The Son, and of The Holy Spirit". The Old Testament also has Christophanies- where God appears as a man, like He did to Abraham.
Genesis 18:1-5
And the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day. He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him. When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth and said, “O Lord, if I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant. Let a little water be brought, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree, while I bring a morsel of bread, that you may refresh yourselves, and after that you may pass on—since you have come to your servant.” So they said, “Do as you have said.”