Trump says US has "captured" Venezuelan President Maduro and his wife in "large scale strike" - latest
5mon 15d ago by mander.xyz/u/fossilesque in worldnews@lemmy.ml from www.bbc.com
Please report any pro-US-empire comments so we can ban them ASAP.
We aren't going to let people come into this space and justify US crimes like kidnapping heads of state, murdering innocent people, and starting wars based on lies.
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But you literally support Russia who's doing all of these things. You're a hypocrite with no consistent principles.
Then again, the creation and tightening of an echo chamber is a sign of weak beliefs. Having an out of sight, out of mind mentality might bring you comfort by not seeing criticisms and/or different perspectives, but it's not going to change their validity nor reality.
this guy again
Can we please keep the respectful ones so we have a chance to dispel their beliefs? There is overwhelming propaganda against Venezuela that is easy to disprove, but most of their spaces ban us (example: reddit). I wish we have a chance to argue our perspective.
The groupthink on forums is ridiculous, and you don't need to be a capitalist nor anticapitalist to recognize that. I, too, hope that we can have healthy discussions of starkly different views.
Not really, as usual the communists are right.
It doesn't work like that, how long does it take until people realize silencing people you disagree with doesn't solve the issue? 🤦
People can say whatever they want but we don't cater to bootlickers here, they can go fuck themselves. Why should we allow comments from people who want me dead? Their fascist bullshit is allowed basically anywhere else, they can go to reddit.
No platform for fascists.
Imperialists are the Fascist International.
The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discreetly Internationalized It
Since the colonial projects of Hitler and Mussolini had become so brazen and erratic, as they shifted from playing more or less by the liberal rules of the game to openly breaking them and then running amok, it was understood that the best way to construct the fascist international was to do so under liberal cover, meaning through clandestine operations that maintained a liberal façade.
The American imperium has thus played a central role in the construction of a fascist international by protecting right-wing militants and enlisting them in the Third World War against ‘communism,’ an elastic label extended to any political orientation that entered into conflict with the interests of the capitalist ruling class. This international expansion of fascist modes of governance has led to a proliferation of concentration camps, terrorist and torture campaigns, dirty wars, dictatorial regimes, vigilante groups and organized crime networks around the world.
Trump has dispensed with the liberal mask, making America nakedly imperialist again.
but we don't cater to bootlickers here
Take a look what instance this was posted on
"Communism bad, I'm a free thinker btw"
I'm such a free thinker in fact that I blindly trust US media conglomerates to tell me the truth about their geopolitical enemies! Surely they have INTEGRITY and are FAIR AND BALANCED
They're correct, we don't cater to bootlickers here.
amazing timing to be doing projection on this level
No one is silenced, Lemmy is censorship proof meaning you are free to start your own instance and communities or participate in any of the other communities where you can spread your support and justification for US imperial activities and CIA propaganda. Lemmy is essentially a fancy email client and just because we don't want US propaganda in our community doesn't mean that anyone is being "silenced"
US apologia is the classic Nazi bar. Let one yank fuck in and the entire thing gets the yank stink on it.
It doesn’t work like that
Looks like it does work like that. Moderators moderate the discussion. lemmy.ml has no obligation to platform imperialists, nor is there any value in doing so.
And it works well, this community is a lot more pleasant and educational without having to deal with antisocial war-hawks and trolls constantly starting arguments instead of discussions. It's certainly solves that issue.
doesn’t solve the issue?
Doesn't solve what issue?
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how long does it take until people realize silencing people you disagree with doesn’t solve the issue
sounds like reddit lol [REMOVED]
For freedom of speech on certain topics reddit is clearly superior again after similar statements of the lemmy developers.
Reddit is pro-US-empire, we're anti-US-empire here.
Try going over to reddit (or any US-controlled tech platform) and saying something negative about Israel, and see how long you last.
you must be joking.
.ml obviously but the rest of the Lemmy libfest is hardly better.
All they want is their respectable form of imperialism with a slick mass murderer like Obama or Genocide Joe.
I get banned/removed here all the time.
Not only over Shitrael
Reddit is overwhelmingly anti-Israel
As usual you don't know what you're talking about.
Reddit the people on Reddit are anti-shitrael.
Reddit itself is controled by US regime plants like every other big social media. Jessica Ashoosh in this case.
Reddit is a private company, it's not controlled by any government. That doesn't matter either way because the claim that Dessalines made is just false. Reddit is not pro-Israel at all. If you're going to be mad, at least be mad about something real instead of something you made up in your head.
as I said, you know nothing.
Only a child or childishly naive person would believe the fascist regime you work for would let media uncontrolled.
And sure Jessica Ashoosh isn't real, neither are the ex CIA people (from their own LinkedIn) in other media.
freedom of speech reddit
hahaha
Pretty funny thing to say on a site filled with people banned from reddit for saying things, including but not limited to the word "Luigi".
The Lemmy devs only have control of the instance they run.
“captured”
lol - kidnapped would be more correct.
Captured is for people at war. Kidnapped is the right term for what happened here.
The manufacturing consent is going brazy today. I read a few headlines that had attack, in quotation marks. Like "attack".
The fuck are the quotation marks for? Who we quotin? Just call a fucking spade a spade
Maduro might be an idiot, but the press needs to be vigilant here.
"What right does the US have to do this?"
"So other countries can do this to the US for similar reasons and not expect repercussions?"
Kidnapping of a head of state is completely illegal, and south american countries should be uniting and mobilizing for coming wars with the US to prevent similar intrigues in their own countries.
We need that joint army right now
Most of the South American countries are controlled by US friendly oligarchies; Venezuela was the only place that wasn't until now.
We need to organize yesterday
It won't be surprising if zelensky gets killed in a missile strike next week.
I imagine he's gotten pretty good at staying hidden
He won't. If Russia was able to pull that off, they would've done that long ago. Same goes for Ukraine getting Putin. But now? This is the grandest flex of power. Putin should be spooked. He's on Trump's good side for whatever reason, but if he somehow triggers Trump's toddler instincts, he could do the same to him.
They don't want to, they could do that easily.
He is not liked as it is by ukrainians, and he would be replaced by the fascist Zalushny.
Last year Zelenski gave medals to troops and Russia waited until he left to strike the building.
They know exactly where he is and when.
He is not liked as it is by ukrainians
Absolute nonsense. Show data.
he has about 20 percent, if you care so much about the little beggar look it up yourself, IDC about that fascist shithole.
Whovevermay be the'president' in it's last months
it's from your own nazi Kiev independent you banderite idiot.
Or do you want to believe numlbers from the banana republic and the president kidnapping pedo? Whatever clown.
Excellent rebuttal.
Says "can't read", didn't even read the article they linked. Writes like a monkey bashing a keyboard with a stick.
read again or ask your whore mother to read my comment saying he has about 20%
Exactly, dumb AF
not wasting more time on you nazi fuck.
Can have a more intelligent convo with my cat.
Enjoy losing bitch
Okay, let me explain, like I would explain to a pigeon:
- He would win the popular vote, as per article you linked
- His approval ratings are incredibly high (67%)
I don't know what you don't understand. If there's an apple, a banana and a pear, and most people pick an apple, it doesn't mean they hate bananas or pears.
This is where the approval rating comes in.
Do you like the fruit you got? Yes/no. This is the statistic that shows WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT
Lmao, I can't. Tell me again "but, but 20%??", please.
Viva Maduro. The US Empire is kidnapping a democratically elected president and his family in order to gain ownership of Venezuelan oil fields. The vassals in Europe only care that their master needs consent manufacturing, but the good working people around the world can see right through this naked terrorism and those that support it.
May the empire and its vassals fall.
We saw how great it was to do it in Iran \s
And Chile, Libya, Yugoslavia, Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, etc.
It's the global consensus that Maduro stole the last Venezuelan election
LOL
It's like you live to be obnoxious
looks like you're obnoxious for a living, vomiting Langley propaganda
So what is Venezuela gonna do?
Hopefully 
RIP Trevor Moore (1980-2021)
Not stand idly.
Arrest the criminals in the US banana republic embassy would be a good start, and every other americunt spy in the country
According to friends that live there, this is good news.
Bullshit.
Where do they live, in Miami with the other gusano population?
That's funny cause my friends that live there say this is a crime, and death to America
You mean english speakers on the english speaking web? Or people that you have come in contact with?
Wow amazing, your dogshit anecdotal evidence, has convinced me! You should bomb more countries, you sick fucks
Nope! Bullshit from the US Empire to manufacture consent for invasion, same as they did for Saddam and the supposed WMD.
It wasn't from the US I heard this from, it was from locals interviewed by Michael Palin. Didn't really take him for a US stooge
A western for-TV series run by a comedian is standard affair for propagandizing. Not all Venezuelans support Maduro, he got 51% of the vote, so it would be pretty easy to find people opposing him. That said, the working classes support him.
I understand it's not the best source but it's not like I was pulling it out my arse. It seems like the situation is very nuanced over there but no matter what, the US shouldn't be involved in whatever mess is happening regardless.
Also I would say he's no longer a comedian first and has primarily been a travel documentarian for about 50 years now, one who pioneered the format in fact. He also puts a big focus on the culture and the people of the places he visits.
The nuances are that Maduro is continuing the legacy of Hugo Chavez, trying to nationalize resources and industry to keep wealth for Venezuelans, rather than the US and Europe. Venezuelans that were very wealthy before the Bolivarian revolution fled mainly to places like Miami, similar to Cubans that fled from Castro. The US-backed faction is small but loud, and wants Venezuela to be recolonized so that they can take their position as compradors once again. The working classes support Maduro and the Bolivarian revolution.
Machado was never even close to getting elected, she has around 20% support. Are your friends gusanos?
he has no friends, only a state department script
Yep.
Langley-posting
I'm sure Venezuela will be a great and powerful democracy from this. Just like Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan.
Don’t forget Libya
And Nicaragua, Cuba before Fidel, and hell Venezuela before Chavez
Every country becomes Argentina. Or maybe Texas
I have come across a load of people on lemmy who think that the invasion of libya is a good thing since it took down gadaffi. nevermind the open-air slave markets that sprung up afterwards.
Fuck Trump and Fuck anyone who didn't refuse orders to attack Venezuela without provocation
Do you feel a part of the earth we all share must turn to ash before there is solidarity amongst the working class of both our nation states?
absolutely, without a doubt
Perhaps some intrepid souls could arrange to kidnap Trump and Melania and deliver them to the Hague.
The US has passed a law that it reserves the right to invade The Hague if any US people are arrested by the ICC
Maybe we should get the US to invade, so Europe finally stops licking that boot.
Not the EU, only some countries, as the first Germany is licking the US ass.
As an American citizen, I'm 150 fucking percent against this in all ways shape and form. I don't know how to prevent this from continuing but I'll be looking for any chance at having this country both formally apologizing and prosecuting the idiots responsible.
What goddamn horrible news to wake up to, my apologies to our fellow people on spaceship earth.
E: did anyone notice the not-so-veiled threat against Cuba?
I've started reminding people with youngs sons that they need to sign up for the draft. Always interesting when you ask the ones i know vote republican suddenly realize their votes could kill their kids. Glad I'm old enough to avoid this shit.
US imperialism is bipartisan, though. Always been a genocidal, warmongering power.
Yes, two parties, one right wing and the other fascist as is. The US never was a real democracy for the people, only for Billonairs, Big Corporations and several economic and media lobbies which are making the policy to their like. Feudalism v2.0
Late-stage imperialism.
I was just explaining to some of my overseas friends how embarrassed and ashamed I was of the current administration, domestically and abroad.
Less than 24 hours later, this fucking disgrace.
To be clear, US imperialism is bipartisan. It isn't a Trump thing, but a US Empire thing.
Were you not ashamed of previous administrations?
No no. I've been embarrassed and ashamed of plenty of them, but this one is especially malevolent.
I think the whole “we’re taking over Venezuela” is just your typical Trump bravado. I believe user xiaohongshu on Hexbear has the correct angle:
I think everyone is too fixated on the empire getting into a long war but I don’t think that’s the goal here.
Just like Trump’s B-2 stunt on Iran’s Fordow back in June, the US operation was a quick in, quick out operation. Nothing seems to have significantly changed on the surface, but the message has been sent. The US is sowing political instability in the region, and it scares away foreign investments especially China’s.
Just look at China-Iran trade numbers, it’s plunging by 20% this year. Chinese investors are pulling away because they cannot see profitable return in Iran and the surrounding regions. This worsens the economic condition in Iran, and months later, we see the Iranians protesting as a result.
The same play is being replicated in Venezuela here against Latin America. The US has no interest in getting dragged into a long war. It wants to demonstrate how easily it can upset the political balance in Latin America. Do you seriously think that Chinese investors will still want to invest billions on Venezuela seeing how easily the leadership can be kidnapped?
The investment’s gone, and the US simply has to sit back and wait for the situation to deteriorate even further, and the regime change opportunity will present itself. But it’s not even about Venezuela, it’s about the US dominance over Latin America.
I will be honest, I was expecting the US to do IOF / Palantir type actions and try to take out government and civilian leadership several levels deep. While taking out a single leader rarely does anything, removing an entire leadership structure in an already unstable situation can be devastating. The fact that, for now, the US is stopping at “just” Maduro encourages me that the Bolivarian Revolution will continue on, now with even more support from the people.
I think now it will be a battle of how much the Trump admin can do in the face of international condemnation (outside of US vassal states, that is) and likely increased support of Venezuela from its neighbors. Trump will almost certainly dig in on sanctions until Venezuela hands over their oil. But I don’t see that happening, so I don’t know what happens.
America is truly an evil country.
Trump has admitted that there are a lot of CIA agents in Venezuela. It was also suspiciously easy for the USA to get Maduro out of the country.
My guess is that the USA likely expects a coup to happen which will install a friendly regime.
Trump is already threatening the new replacement President and more violence.
the spineless goons of the us, the "international commubity" just stand and watch as the us robs and plunders a nation. where are the campaigns against us propaganda? where's the shipment of attack drones? where's the dehumanization of every amerikkkan?
if atrocities serve their masters or themselves they just turn a blind eye.
the usa is the devil, a cancer - we all know that. but the regurgitation of US propaganda and lack of condemnation by allied states is a shame.
here's hoping some western "leftists" realize that they defend their enemy.
I've got a better pic somewhere of uncle sam as a drug addict, slouched on the floor and injecting oil into his veins.
please share
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Death to America. 😞
According to this Reuters article, these countries came out in support od these actions:
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Argentina
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Ecuador
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Italy (said external military action is not the answer, but the US attacks are legitimate defensive interventions)
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Ukraine
These countries expressed support for a democratic Venezuela, but didn't outright support the operation as most reaffirmed their commitment to peace and/or international law:
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Bolivia
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Canada
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Czech Republic
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EU
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Germany
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Norway
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Panama
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Paraguay
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Peru
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Spain
These countries just expressed they had nothing to do with this:
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UK
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Trinidad and Tobago
Countries that directly condemned these operations and are against:
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Belarus
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Brazil
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Chile
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China
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Colombia
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France
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Iran
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Mexico
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South Africa
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Russia
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Uruguay
Unclear position:
- Slovakia
Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/world-reacts-us-strikes-venezuela-2026-01-03/
Oh, your beloved democratic ukrainians again?
No surprises
Directly from the article that was linked in the post:
Ukraine was the only country besides the US voting against the resolution.
The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine explained its opposition with the Russia's current repressive policy, its attempt to take full credit for the victory over the Nazi Germany, and omission of important elements in the resolution, including numerous mass crimes, including genocide, deportation and repression by Stalin's Soviet regime.
"By contributing to the victory of humanity over Nazism and surviving the seventy-year-old oppression of the communist regime, the Ukrainian people consistently condemn the crimes of totalitarian regimes and how no one else seeks to put an end to human hatred ideologies, such as Nazism and neo-Nazism, around the world.
"Our state is also consistently advocating for human rights, the rule of law and democracy as the key to preventing new authoritarian regimes, which have become the main triggers of the most bloody crimes in Europe in the twentieth century, both against their own citizens and against entire peoples.
"The text of the draft resolution also silent the fact that the end of World War II was not the final victory over totalitarian ideologies, and one of its results was, on the contrary, the enslavement of individual European peoples and the strengthening of the communist totalitarian regime responsible for many mass crimes, including genocides, deportations, repression.
"Besides, current Russia is all justifying the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, which has unleashed hands on Nazi and Communist regimes to implement their aggressive plans from Europe. The text of the resolution also lacks Soviet mass terror, which, in addition to national and ethnic, occurred by the so-called class and social sign, which had resulted in a full-time labeling of the ′′ enemy of the people ′′ that mostly led to their physical extinction.
"The Russian Federation continues to stubbornly deny recognition of the genocide of the Ukrainian people of the Holodomor organization of 1932-1933 years and deportation of the Crimean Tatar people of 1944 as well as other peoples.
"At the same time, Russia not only does not condemn the crimes of the communist regime, but also widely fueled chauvinist and xenophobic moods in Russian society and heroizes the image of Stalin. It's a shame, but this year the Russian side went even further and tried to turn the UN GA document into the heroization of the communist and Soviet past, including the Stalinist regime, adding to the project a position to protect their symbolism.
"The recent decision of the Russian court against Russian historian Yuri Dmitriev, who is known for his research on Stalinistic great terror, and in particular the tragedy in Sandarmokh, where the famous representatives of Ukrainian revival were shot.
"And don't forget that while one hand the Kremlin introduces a resolution against the heroization of Nazism with one hand, it generously supports radical movements that profess extreme ideologies both left and right spectrum.
"The end of aggression against Ukraine, restoration of respect for international law and good recognition and condemnation of the crimes of the communist totalitarian regime should be a real affirmation of Moscow's commitment to fight intolerance and racial discrimination.
As it was obvious to anyone with a functioning brain at the time, this resolution was a sham put out by Russia in attempt to justify their illegal invasion of Ukraine. As you can clearly see, Ukraine very openly condemned Nazism in all its forms. They, along with the rest of the democratic world, refused to express support to Russia's piss poor attempt at justifying their genocide.
Next time, read the articles you post instead of Googling for confirmation bias and posting the first Reddit post that pops us. Skimming the Reddit title post is not enough.
Don't care about your verbal diarhea and mental gymnastics whitewashing these Banderite scum
Yeah, this plan was obvious when it became clear the empire was grooming that fascist woman María Corina Machado
Venezuela’s VP says Maduro the ‘only president’ of Venezuela
Venezuela’s Vice-President Delcy Rodriguez has given her first public address following the US military operation that captured Maduro and his wife.
“We demand the immediate release of President Nicolas Maduro and his wife. The only president of Venezuela is President Nicolas Maduro,” said Rodriguez.
Rodriguez called for calm and unity to defend the country amid Maduro’s “kidnapping” and said Venezuela will never be the colony of any nation.
This goes against Rubio's claim a few hours ago that Rodriguez would be a US puppet leader.
EDIT: Updated confirmation
Goes hard.
Same as it ever was. Everyone here seems to keep waiting for the old war dogs to die off and hope there is peace after that. That won't work IMO.
Our geriatric leadership are only puppets, and politics are just a dog and pony show to placate the masses. Divided and conquered, the USA divides and conquers.
Dear American libs: Think about what you've been saying about Russians and please start saying all of those about yourselves. Think about how much you wished every Russian to suffer and it's only fair to wish the exact same amount for yourself.
Remember how little you were willing to distinguish between the people and the government and I better not see you give any more leeway to your own country.
I don't want to hear any "but i don't support it" bullshit out of you after the vitriol you spewed about the Russian ethnicity and culture using the Ukraine war as your cover while getting all high and mighty about not being racist. You deserve as much empathy and sympathy as you give to others.
And don't forget to carry seeds in your pockets so useful things grow out of you when you die :)
I'm gonna start making broad references to "American orcs" and I better not hear shit from these people.
Please don't. Western supremacist liberals are not our teachers. There's nothing to be emulated in the way they dehumanize anyone who goes against white supremacy.
Good point. Thanks comrade.
o7
They also kidnapped his wife because... things.
Fucking terrible news to wake up to.
Really hope the revolution can survive without him.
Fuck imperialism🖕Fuck the USA
You might just be in the wrong neighborhood, sunshine...
For all the shit he talks on the EU, he’s doing his best to get a Latin American Union created to defend themselves against the US.
Right now, the US Empire is installing compradors in Honduras, Argentina, and Chile. Venezuela is an attempt at that. The chance of Latin American unity comes mostly from Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Nicaragua, Boliva, Cuba, and Venezuela, and that's why these countries are being targeted by the US Empire.
I watched Trump’s advisor tell the BBC that Venezuela is not like Iraq because it’s homogenous and surrounded by democracies.
They’re massively overconfident. This could go downhill very badly. Rebels could damage the pipelines and sabotage the oil industry, requiring the US to put troops on the ground.
it’s homogenous
Ah so the US will be even more of a common enemy.
Mercenaries and carried out like Iraq was done
That’s the point, it will turn into Iraq. And mercenaries will still require congressional authorization.
America is pretty shit hole country 🖕🏼🇺🇸
I am starting to despise north ameica and all the filthy wretched fascist pigs living on that nazi cesspool,
Canada is a nazi cesspool?
Wikipedia covers war criminals in Canada decently.
Canada made it easier for Nazis to immigrate than for Jewish refugees after WWII due to their anti-communist policies. Since then, the government has largely refused to release information about their immigration policies surrounding former Nazis as well as the list of immigrants found to be former Nazi party members.
The controversy surrounding parliament giving a standing ovation to a former Waffen SS member for his service "fighting the Russians" brought much of this to mainstream discourse. Who was fighting the Russians during WWII? The Nazis. If a country invited a bunch of Nazis to their nation, has a long history of antisemitism that contributed to deaths in the Holocaust, and are still celebrating and protecting Nazi war criminals...I think its fair to call them a Nazi cesspool. If they don't want to be characterized this way, they should probably take actions to prove they aren't, such as releasing the names of the known war criminals and extradite them for trial.
You can find plenty of news articles on these topics from a couple years ago.
Yep.
Brother we gonna have to come to terms with it. Canada's current conservative government cuts social welfare and has a province trying to run rogue to join the pedophile nazi terrorist state.
You don't suckle at american teet like that without ingesting the poison.
Indigenuous populations, head taxes, and american brain rot. It's not nearly as bad as america, but not being the worst doesn't make you good.
You're not wrong brother, but if Canada is cesspool, wtf do you call USA?
The great Satan
The Hellmouth.
Demonic threat to all humanity? Idk not strong enough...
I don't think canada is quite at cesspool level tbh, but I struggle to find words that encapsulate what the us is.
The Empire.
What remains of the free world need to develop nuclear weapons to prevent "liberation" by the American Fascist regime.
The DPRK is showing that, despite global condemnation, they were 1,000% correct to pursue a nuclear programme.
Dear rest of the planet - we could be next to be liberated!! These wankers have already told us Brits how dangerous it is in our home towns (it patently is not!)
"Old men keep dreaming up battles for young men to fight."
Daggers - The Chariot
Now playing XTC - Generals and Majors
Fuck war and those who pursue them.
Those videos!
Who would have thought FIFA Peace Prize Winner and Peaceful Dove Donald Trump was capable of doing such a thing? The best thing your country can do to protect your sovereignty if you're threatened by the United States is to develop nukes. DPRK isn't being attacked right now and their economy has been growing.
"Section 8 ( of the US constitution)
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
...( skipping some text)
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
... ( some more text expanding on Congresses powers) "
Kidnapping and capturing the leader of a foreign state sound's like a act of war and only Congress has such power to declare War. But as I've said at other times the Supreme Court of the US is to busy cleaning the orange stains from their mouth with the Constitution to do shit about it.
I don't think other countries care whether Congress calls something a war or not. They didn't even declare the Vietnam War.
I understand other countries don't care or would involve themselves In the internal affairs and word play of law that happens with in the boarders of the United States.
Though I am a US citizen and find this despicable. I hope pointing this out to people within the US who support and defend the Constitution ( those big 2nd amendment people who voted for the orange clown) Would take a look at this fool ruining the constitution and it's separation of powers that the founding father's fought for. Maybe they will realize that he should be impeached and tried for high crimes against the Supreme rule/law of the land. Maybe hanged for such treason. But maybe I'm hoping for to much.
Why take him alive? Aren't they essentially going to have to put together an embarrassing kangaroo court now? Do we think they are going to try and go the secret military tribunal route?
There will be a high profile show trial and execution. This is our new reality. My nonexistent god, I am seeing the Fourth Reich.
trial and execution
What a long and drawn out assassination.
Trump is the reality TV president, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it like a TV court drama.
How will they neutralize all the procedural protections for defendants in the US courts and prevent Maduro from turning it into a mockery of itself?
Trump has shown a tendency to just ignore procedure and just do whatever he wants. The only reason he wouldn't be able to do that is if he was opposed, but who is going to oppose it? There's a few Democrats, but not even a majority of the electeds. I doubt there's a single Republican that'd oppose. Would the Supreme Court stop him?
I think he can make this as big and stupid as he wants, and unless the masses protest against it he'll get away with it.
So that's the thing that's most confusing to me, of all the powers and systems and institutions in the US, the only one that has ever meaningfully constrained Trump at all is the courts. (Of course I grant that they have given him completely unprecedented leeway and rolled over in many many instances)
If the Trump DOJ brings charges in federal court, which they seem to be signaling is their plan, then then Maduro will have a right to a lawyer, the right to discovery, the right to cross-examine witnesses, the right to appeal....
I guess they could try and have it both ways? Instead of sovereign immunity meaning that the US courts have no jurisdiction whatsoever, try to use sovereign immunity as a justification for why Maduro doesn't get defendant rights? It all seems super messy and like Trump and his clatch of idiots are marching down a line of rakes
The lower courts can meaningfully delay Trump, but that lasts until it reaches the Supreme Court. The rigged 6-3 fascist Court almost always either rules in his favor, or delays an official ruling to let him get away with whatever he's doing.
They will have to really tie themselves in knots to put aside the absolutely foundational legal doctrine of sovereign immunity. If any court would though, it's these fuckers.
I still don't see how they avoid a years-long circus in the lower courts
They can also fast-track cases from the lower courts to accelerate them to the Supreme Court, and have done so. Another trick they have is to make an interim ruling without issuing a majority opinion through the so-called "shadow docket". Then they can have the whole trial while the circus in the lower courts plays itself out. He could be in prison for years before they rule it unconstitutional.
Assuming Trump doesn't push for public execution.
Kind of a turning point moment IMO
Does Trump have his final victory over "The rule of law" and bulldoze his way to a grand spectacle execution in a stadium?
Or will this enterprise be mired in procedure and their own incompetence until the whole thing falls apart?
I think my prediction is more towards the latter, but I think both ends of the spectrum are within the realm of possibility
I'm 60/40 thinking Trump is going to win here, because there's no one to actually oppose him. In other cases where he's tied up in court it's because there's political opposition. Who opposes this? A few progressives? It's almost a bipartisan consensus.
I think that's what makes it such a perfect test case.
All the politics and all the neocons and all the propaganda versus international law older than the nation itself
The US has been stomping on international law my entire life.
No doubt
As if they even care about this. This is case with no precedent, they will just use some lip service patriot act shit to neutralise all protections and then torture him and use his wife as hostage before the trial. Of course they could flop everything spectacularly out of sheer incompetence and thoughtlessness on their part, but i wouldn't count, and even if, they can always murder him like Milosevic.
People have mentioned torture of Maduro or his wife in other threads and I do agree that a tortured confession would be an easy way out of this for them. The thing that gives me pause is that a cartoon villain always treats a named antagonist with kid gloves, which is how Trump seems to behave in my opinion. If we see Maduro fight the charges versus giving up relatively soon with a confession we should know which way it went
Trump is not a cartoon villain, and the letter agencies thugs are certainly not cartoon villains, they are real ones, and on the forefront of torture enhanced interrogation techniques research.
Oh yes the deep state / neocons are pure evil. Trump is evil too, but he has all these weird hang-ups and hesitations when he "should" be decisive. I think it's some weird TV image thing that he himself doesn't even understand. There's nothing I would put past these people but they also keep fucking up
Death to the US!
This is the 21st century's September 1, 1939.
2026 has been a long year.
I'll believe it when I see it. And not some bullshit ass AI generated photo that Trump will inevitably post. I mean real proof. Since when has Trump told the truth? And remember back in the day with Bush and his huge "mission accomplished" sign?
Fwiw- Message from the Colombian president. International actors are acting as if it's real.
"Kinetic action". Fucking fascistspeak.
That last tweet is definitely a lie lmao, though the next guy might let them stick a fat military base there for the favour.
Unlikely, the working class supported the government and Maduro, it was only the fascist compradors that opposed him in significant numbers. The government still holds, and will likely place a backuo until the next elections. Coups don't really work without popular support or more direct millitary intervention domestically (see Pinochet with Allende).
The coup in Iran worked without popular support
Sure, but the US and UK had the backing of some of the Iranian millitary. The millitary in Venezuela supports Maduro, due to the history of the Bolivarian revolution.
I honestly have never met a Venezuelan online or irl that supports Maduro. He's universally hated.
you obviously only know gusanos, not surprisingly when you're a fascist US banana republic dweller
Source: dude, trust me
As described by who? Venezuela is a budding socialist country with a flourishing commune system. It's called a "kleptocracy" by imperialists upset that Hugo Chavez started a wave of nationalizing resources and businesses so that the wealth of Venezuela would belong to Venezuelans, not the US Empire. Stop caping for the empire and downplaying an existing socialist country fighting off imperialism with weak moral platitudes.
That link brings me to a page not found 😢
Edited to a translated summary!
Thanks! It's a bit suspicious that it's been removed.
There are other sources on Venezuela's growing commune movement, that's just one I had on hand.
Oh sorry not suspicious of you. I appreciate all the work you put into your comments! Just seems like a convenient time to lose positive articles for maduro on their webpage.
I am still skeptical that this administration actually got Maduro. Like even if they were being completely honest, I need to see some video of Maduro before I believe that they got the actual guy.
I hear you, but I wouldn't be surprised if they perp walk him in a few hours. Fascists rely on their propaganda. Trump is doing a speech later today.
There's been alot of online speculation that either he was betrayed or cut himself a deal and willingly went
Yeah I'm not even against speculation, but I'm not willing to incorporate into the "facts" part of my brain until I see the evidence. And I'll also cop to it being a little bit of copium 🙃
President of peace, eh MAGAts?
Ah the honorable BBC.
Let's also give recognition to the regime press doing their part with fake news trying to create the illusion the country is revolting and the government has fled:
Their attempt FAILED. No army or popular support, not enough traitors.
Tone-deaf americans wishful thinking.
As usual there is no follow up, no long term plan or vision.
The US will not 'run the country' just bcs they kidnapped 2 people.
They failed in Iran and other places with their vulgar murders of leaders, simply hoping the locals would do the work for them.
Never do they learn from their mistakes.
Thoughtless violence as the last resort to save their dying empire is all they have.
It invariably backfires.
They only have shown the world nothing is too low for them and exposed what countries are vassals and hypocrites not even condemning these acts. Or even applauding them, like the regimes of Argentina, Equador, Italy and ukraine
If anything positive might come out of such a fucked-up level of open terrorism. I hope that it not only leads to the resolve of the people of Venezuelan people standing firm. And all of Central and South American nations to unite in mutual defense. Might not lead to a wave of jumping all-in on socialism/communism, but they all have suffered under the boot of the USA. Any nation that keeps placing USA interests above their own sovereignty only keeps things like this happening.
The right-wing news outlets are already pushing for Cuba to be next. Literally nations that their talking points about "suffering under communist dictatorships" only happen because the USA is allowed to control how other nations can/can't trade with them. And any USA citizen and politician that can't wake the fuck up continue to have the blood of all other nations on our hands. This isn't just about Venezuela, it is also a massive push to further keep attention away from the active genocide that never stopped in Palestine.
After this I don't think Trump will accept loosing the house. I think we will see him trying to become a dictator shell this year. Hell... US citizens, this might be your last chance.
Next Mexico and Cuba, as hear in interviews some weeks ago. Why nobody invite him to an sight seeing tour in an cabrio in Dallas in the old US tradition?
Ah fuck he's going to drag the other NATO countries into this isn't he.
Just popped in at a spot where the rep from Argentina gave their full support for the kidnapping. Despicable.
I'm still trying to work my way through the morass of the OHCHR report that is the source of the claims of "thousands murdered by the regime", and one of the more curious things is that it was published under the guidance of Michelle Bachelet, former president of Chile and certainly not someone I would have imagined would publish a report with such paper thin backing.
Just now has ended de Cuban representative: «A Imperialist and fascist aggression» , now starts de Nicaraguan
Someone here from another country with Oil?
What "law" did his wife break???
WHY arrest her?
They're trying her for the same already bogus "crimes."
I have noticed a trend of arresting someone FIRST and then looking for a "crime" afterwards.
That disturbs me.
The US Empire is just running kangaroo courts.
Yea, the ONLY defense to that is a good offense. That's the "disturbing" part.
Or nukes. The US hasn't touched the DPRK, Russia, or China directly because of that.
I recommend TeleSUR's english-language live stream, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nN3vtMzxTo
Oddly it has only 45 people watching currently, and was under 200 viewers every time I was watching it yesterday 🤔
If Trump needs oil, he can just get the oil here in the US.
Trump doesn't want the oil for himself, he wants to keep his keyholders happy. He wants U.S. oligarchs to be able to extract resources from Venezuela.
Rio treaty made useless
Trump is the worlds largest and worst criminal. And people still follow him. This is insane... People of the USA has a collective insanity...
Propaganda is a hell of a drug. Nearly half of the country is being brainwashed by fascist propaganda. Your cho of word is spot on. It is truly insanity.
Considerably more than half
No results found for (How many time did Trump say "No more wars")?
Now even seized an Russian Oil tanker on the way to Venezuela. Trump really knows how to crete peace and friendship in the world.
Trump just wants oil.
I think this starts the unravelling of the great peace we've lived with for the last 50 years. If everything is now fair game, globalization is now going to take a huge hit.
Crimea, Taiwan, Kashmir, Sudan/Egypt, South China Sea.
Once the illusion of protocol is gone, we are right back to might is right.
So glad I dont have kids.
Great peace in the last 50 years? 😂 Okay
Totally agree. Talking more about illusion of great peace. As a former UN worker, shit has been bad for ages but normal people are only feeling it now.
Lol, imagine thinking the ultraminority of the planet are "normal people".
UN worker
uses """normal people""" to refer to the imperial core
Checks out
They turned off lights across the entire city. Cyber attack? Who knows? If they can do it there they can do it here.
Descend the wolves.
there is no hope for pax americana anymore.
Fuck the US. Can’t wait to see it split up like the USSR did in 1989.
Yeah. Anyone for secession?
I wrote about why this is a slippy slope in my blog:
https://delta-fsociety.codeberg.page/#slippery-slope-sovereignty
2 points:
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Repeating the idea that Maduro is a dictator, even if your point is that it doesn't matter, supports the US Empire's narrative and helps justify it. Maduro is popularly supported by the working class, and is opposed by compradors that were making money off of Venezuela being colonized pre-Bolivarian revolution.
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International Law doesn't really exist, it's an organ to legitimize the US Empire's actions. The Empire isn't bound by tools under its control.
I do agree that it sets a bad precedent, though!
Venezuela's gonna fight back, aren't they?
It is obvious that Venezuela is gonna fight back anytime soon
Anyone who says "death to America" - I don't wanna be the kind of person who says "yet you live in jsociety", but you're saying this as an American citizen - you're exercising your right to fhe freedom of speech, as per the First Amendment (which also includes the freedoms of religion, of the press, to assemble peacefully, and to redress grievances). I assume you'd change your mind and say you love America if they elected a socialist president.
But who am I to judge? Trump is an a-hole who's very greedy to the point where he wants Venezuelan oil. Seriously!
No yeah, you did the yet you live in society thing. Stfu liberal.
but you’re saying this as an American citizen
What makes you assume we're American citizens?
You're NOT from the US? Just asking.
Americans and their stupid US-centrism... No, we're not all from the US. Stop assuming that everyone you meet on the Internet is.
Consider the phrase's history and note it's likely a mistranslation. It has a deeper meaning than it's surface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_America
Though I prefer the more colourful:
Can you explain?
It's a materialist approach to deconstruct what it means. It's always good to seek where information is coming from, who is saying it and why, otherwise it is easy to fall into reactionary behaviour ripe for and often bred from misunderstandings. In this case:
The slogan has historically been contextualized as a reaction to the U.S. government's policies towards Islamic countries and merely an expression of outrage at those policies, not a wish for literal death for American people themselves.[13] In a speech to university students, Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei interpreted the slogan as "death to the U.S.'s policies, death to arrogance".[14]
In other words... Before reacting to inflammatory phrases, it's important to understand their actual meaning, cultural context, and who's using them and why - things often get misunderstood across language/cultural barriers. America could certainly use the humility and self reflection.
So that slogan started as an extreme opposition-type slogan from Islamic countries?
Brother, it's all explained in the first paragraph of the wiki article...
Death to America"[a] is an anti-American political slogan widely used in Iran,[1] Afghanistan,[2] Lebanon,[3] Yemen,[4] Iraq,[5][6] and Pakistan.[7][8] Ruhollah Khomeini, the first supreme leader of Iran, popularized the term.[9] He opposed the chant for radio and television but not for protests and other occasions.[1] The literal meaning of the Persian phrase Marg bar Âmrikâ (مرگ بر آمریکا) is "Death to America". In most official Iranian translations, the phrase is translated into English as the less crude "Down with America".[10][11] The chant "Death to America" has come to be employed by various anti-American groups and protesters worldwide.[12]
Curiosity is healthy, please embrace it.
Who's saying this "as an American citizen"? I'm not, tf. I'm banned from entering the US lmao, as are most people on Earth at this point. "Everyone on the internet is American" ass comment. Most people hate the country that invades them and bleeds them dry of every resource.
"You say death to the king, yet you live on His land by His beneficence. Hypocrite much?"
Time is coming for it.
Please explain
I didn't even realize that what I said is very controversial here on Lemmy after looking at the downvotes, so let me clarify that I'm NOT actually calling you hypocrites - as per the First Amendment, you have the right to say what you think of America. I'm NOT in any way denying all of you the right to do exactly that; you're allowed to express any contempt towards this country. I apologize if my opinion may have irritated some of you the wrong way.
My statement on what Trump said is that Venezuela is gonna fight back anytime soon (and probably impose sanctions on anything made in the US).
Oh and I support socialism and such. I'm NOT against the idea of socialism, NOR already-existing-socialist countries (including probably Venezuela) - does anyone think I should study socialist/communist theory a bit more, and if so, is there anything short that I can study (using Cowbee's method of taking each paragraph and boiling them down into simple terms which is a pretty good method, to be honest)?
Also, do you prefer a socialist/communist US over the bourgeois-capitalist US?