BREAKING: Death toll from US operation in Venezuela has risen to 80, according to New York Times report.
5mon 14d ago by lemmy.zip/u/clot27 in world from www.nytimes.com
Fuck off calling it an “operation”
Yes, very Russian. It's America's own "special military operation".
Or like when the Korean war was called a "Police Action"
It is 100% an act of war, it's even a very obvious indisputable act of war. Yet we see European leaders refusing to call it so. 😡
A war crime and a terrorist operation.
Can't really call it a war if the other side is barely fighting back. It's just bullying and terrorism.
War crimes apply regardless whether a conflict is international or even whether it's a declared war. The US never declared war in Vietnam, but nobody can deny the My Lai massacre was a war crime.
They're dogs and vassals of the empire. Of course they aren't biting the hand that feeds.
Europe is America's bitch. Europeans aren't ready to accept it yet lol
I doubt it's just the Israelis who have compromision photos of top European politicians fucking little kids that they got using operations like Epstein's.
Of course not Russia does too, what I was saying was that CIVILIZED countries don't behave like that.
Yeah, well, look at Britain which had a massive demonstration of half a million people against the Genocide in Gaza and yet their supposedly "leftwing" "moderate" government is arresting people for "terrorism support" when they demonstrate against it.
The people ARE civilized, it's their elites (political or otherwise) which are unreformed barbarians by comparison, especially in those countries were the structures of power mean such people have been an entrenched and unchallenged elite for generations.
So I would say that the countries are CIVILIZED, however they're controlled by elites whose minset is still the same as the ancient monsters from the past (hence why, for example, British governments and Press have a mindset of colonialism towards the outside and "born to rule" towards their own citizens whilst German governments and Press support the Genocide of a "lesser people by a greater people" and both deploy authoritarian means to suppress dissent even tough they're supposedly Democracies).
This is also why I expect plenty of members of those elites will have broken the ultimate tabu of our era - they have the same principles of the ruling elites of centuries past, feel themselves above the law and firmly believe everybody else are nothing more than tools for their own personal upsides - including pleasure - and for many that would include children.
PS: As I see it, the solution for the problems in Democracies is MORE Democracy (more transparency, more accountability, more independent oversight, more variety and change) but we're going in the opposite direction and the actions of the ruling elites in the US and the support from the political elites in certain countries for that all matches with the moving away from Democracy towards Might Is Right and Authoritarianism
I 100% agree with that last part but:
The people ARE civilized,
Not really, if the British people were civilized they would have introduced democracy instead of the bullshit excuse they have for it now.
And they would have removed the house of lords which is an extremely undemocratic and moronic institution.
In Danish Lord and lort are very close verbally, and lort means shit. So to me it's the shit house.
But that's not the only problem, first past the post is also undemocratic and is creating a system dominated by 2 parties that take turns governing, this is not democracy but at best a deeply dysfunctional democracy, and is as bad as USA only realistically having 2 options when they vote.
UK is so behind as a society, compared to other Western European countries, the only way they may appear good is by comparison to USA. UK inherited a strong economy from the early days of industrialization, and the colonies, without that UK would have been as poor and backwards as Ireland was prior to joining EU.
however they’re controlled by elites
In UK that is way more the case than other European countries, because the population accept it. The continued existence of the house of lords is clear evidence of that.
But again ONLY because the population is accepting it. No other European country will have you arrested for peaceful demonstrations, and I agree it's an atrocity that this continues under a labour government. And I agree it is a result of the people having lost power because democracy in UK isn't working.
Yet the solution is only a few hundred kilometers away, with plenty examples of better democracies in Europe, IMO especially the Scandinavian model.
First I mainly agree with you: I lived in Britain as in immigrant for a decade, which was preceded by a decade living in The Netherlands, and my opinion of Britons (especially the English, more so their upper middle class and above) is very negative by comparison with my opinion of the Dutch in general and my impression of British society by the time I left was basically "The country of Europe closest to Fascism, only it's disguised with posh bollocks from posh people with a posh accent".
However this shit the current government is doing there of arresting people demonstrating against the Genocide as "terrorist supporters" doesn't have the support of most of the population. Further, 1.5% of the people of a country coming out in a demonstration for the benefit of completely different people and in no way whatsoever for their own personal benefit shows that at last that many people over there have incredibly strong principles.
It doesn't prove that most people are quite that good people, but it still seems to me that most aren't quite as bad as being deemed uncivilized.
As I see it, the point you're making is really that pretty much the entirety of the non-elites there lack a spine, both as people and as a group - hence not doing much to overthrow the power structures of that country - which is not the same as not being civilized people, though as we can see both path lead to similar outcomes in situations like this one.
Frankly, I couldn't agree more with that view! Countless experiences I've had over there speak of subservience towards the upper classes and even towards society in general (the level of concern with "what will other people think of me" there, especially amongst Middle Class women, is quite extreme when compared with, for example, the Dutch) and maybe explains why they're so good at Theatre: a lot of people over there spend their lives behind a thick complex façade so it's unsurprising when so many make a hobby and even a profession from it.
Further, they're relentlessly indoctrinated with both Nationalism and Respect For Authority (in other words, for the elite dynasties) by the local Press, which is maybe why the Brits are actually the least trusting in the local Press of all of Europe.
However, lack of a spine - which in my opinion is mainly a learned trait from growing up in such a society - though not exactly positive in Psychological and Freedom terms, isn't the same as being uncivilized.
1.5% of the people of a country coming out in a demonstration for the benefit of completely different people and in no way whatsoever for their own personal benefit shows that at last that many people over there have incredibly strong principles.
Yes there are some, but it's a minority, you have to judge a country by the majority and their government. Because those are the ones representing the country.
There can be exceptions where the people are oppressed, with military force, but UK is NOT such a country.
both as people and as a group
No individuals are individuals and have different traits, this is 100% as the group we call UK.
which is not the same as not being civilized people
I would argue that having something like the house of lords is an expression of being uncivilized as a country.
Again the people consist of individuals, but as a group of people we call UK they definitely have traits in their society that are immoral and to me immoral equals uncivilized.
Now all countries can have elements that are immoral, the problem with UK is that it has elements that are deeply fundamental to their society, much like USA.
Again, your entire point is around them not having succeeded in overthrowing a massive, complex, centuries old, highly resilient power structure which amongst other things indoctrinates them from an early age into compliance and even pride in it.
Things over there are massivelly rigged exactly to stop such a change, an many levels, from the First Past The Post voting system and a Press incredibly consolidated and either in the hands of either billionaires or controlled by the upper class boards, to the whole Public School -> Oxbridge -> Top Level Corporate/Legal/Public Service Position pathway that that makes sure the scions of the elites always end up in control of the rest.
Further, in many ways that structure has been cracking due to internal pressure, though as shown the last time it was really under pressure (following WWII and the return of large numbers of working class people with military trainin) it showed massive flexibility which is how Brits got the NHS, Social Security and even a Gilded Age in the Arts (from all the working class kids that flooded into Music and Theatre) during the 60s and 70s, though all those gains have been slowly been undone, especially since Thatcher got into power.
So you're basically saying that when peasants don't assault the fortress they're uncivilized a logic which ultimately (considering that there is always room for improvement) boils down to "Only Violent Revolution is Civilization"
Lets agree to disagree on that.
massive, complex, centuries old, highly resilient power structure
The constitution was supposed to be a living document, that was supposed to be improved upon.
This is the exact opposite of your claim. USA was supposed to improve, Americans just chose not to do that.
We're talking about Britain, not the US.
Britain doesn't even have a written constitution.
Oh sorry for the mixup, mistook it for another line of debate.
But still other countries have had similar systems and changed them. Including my own country, that also used to have a 2 part parliament similar to what UK has now.
That was changed in 1953 after more than a hundred years. Here they were called first and second chamber, and that two part distinction had existed since the 16 hundreds, from before we had democracy.
I don't see why it would be harder to modernize in UK than other countries. Except for the British exceptionalism, and the British holding almost religiously on to their traditions.
Sure, my country too had a revolution and overthrew a Fascist dictatorship. That doesn't make it a measure of civilization though.
I've lived in several countries of Europe and the web controlling Brits is exceptional in its breadth and depth and quite subtle: for example watch the BBC and look for language that subtly classifies different people as having different implicity trustworthiness, for example how they will report Israeli authorities as "saying" or "stating" things whilst Palestinian authorities "claim" things - this kind of technique is not just used for the Israeli Genocide, it's used for everything and pretty hard to internally compensate for even if you're aware of it because it mainly affects you at a subconscious level. Brits are constantly being indoctrinated and manipulated, all done with way more subtlety than run of the mill dictatorships.
Or look at how their level of civil society surveillance as shown by the Snowden Revelations was even worse than the US.
Further, do you know they have a Press censorship scheme called D-Notices? Most Britons don't even know this.
In many ways Britain is a lot more like an Authoritarian Regime with a bit of performative voting (think Russia) than a Democratic country, only it's all done way more subtly with far more advanced manipulation techniques as the structures supporting it have been developed over, literally, centuries.
(That's why I said that I left the country thinking it was basically the closest to Fascism we have in Europe, just disguised as posh)
Yet plenty of people over there still have very strong principles to the point that 1.5% of the population went out and demonstrated purely for their principles and not at all their own personal good and people are still going out and risking being arrested by the government as "terrorist supporters" for demonstrating against a Genocide that doesn't actually affect them personally.
Granted, at the same time there is also a large fraction of the population who are complete cunts, from Financiers in the City and the Political class, to Racist Nationalists.
Don't get me wrong: British Society itself is quite backwards as European nations go in many things, it's just that a significant fraction of the population do hold personal humanist values and are willing to at least go out and demonstrate and even face the authorities for them. I compare it with my own country - Portugal - whose society isn't quite as ill (it has its problems, mainly different ones) but activism for actual principle around here is almost non-existent (sure, people will demonstrate and even strike for their own personal good, but for example a far smaller fraction of people was demonstrating against the Israeli Genocide here than in Britain) and don't get me started on just hugely unlikely people around here are to do thinks like avoiding having a car for Ecological reasons.
PS: In fact, now that I think about it, a lot of the reason why I think that Revolutionary Capability is not the same as Civilization is the observation on my own country of how people can be perfectly capable of fighting for themselves to the point of overthrowing a dictatorship and yet won't at all fight for others. In my view, "civilization" must include fighting against certain things happenning to anybody and only just fighting against those things happenning to oneself is merely Survival.
I must admit I am not nearly as informed about Portugal as I am about Northern Europe. But despite that I know they have some pretty strong policies protecting the weaker parts of civilization and workers, as misunderstood as they may sometimes be compared to the Scandinavian model that seems to work better.
The Portuguese may not be protesting as much as the Brits, but I don't think the Portuguese system is as inherently bad as is the case for UK. In Portugal most things can be improved through the democratic process. Denmark is also a country that has a very low degree of protests, and I believe that coincides with being one of the best democracies in the word. If it works don't fix it.
But apart from that, I agree with you.
I think we differ mainly in that I think that in this era Civilization must be broader than just "Doing what's better for us".
So in that sense the Scandinavian model of governance by itself (absent all else), whilst more civilized than most others, isn't enough for Civilization - there needs to be some kind of broad holding of Universal Humanist Principles rather than merelly just the nation treating its own citizens well.
By that metric and looking at the awful position of Denmark in regards to the Israeli Genocide and even in things like pushing for broad civil society surveillance at the EU level in the form of Chat Control, Denmark is NOT a civilized country, even if it's better for its own citizens than the vast majority of countries are for theirs.
there needs to be some kind of broad holding of Universal Humanist Principles
I agree, and those principles are the basis for the welfare system, healthcare for all, livable minimum wage etc.
But also all EU countries are committed to those, it is mandatory for being a member of EU.
UK has a long history of not respecting such values particularly with their colonialism, and not letting go until they couldn't hold onto it anymore.
USA has a similar problem with slavery way beyond what was acceptable in other countries that called themselves civilized. USA has even gone so far as to keep oppressing minorities, first with less voting power, but later exploited as cheap labor, which is probably why we see such a low minimum wage even today.
Take those general humanitarian principles, and you will see the leading democracies also being leading in humanitarian values. An example obviously being the Scandinavian countries. Just as authoritarian countries have disregard for humanitarian values.
We see that clearly in both USA and UK that are both dysfunctional democracies.
By that metric and looking at the awful position of Denmark in regards to the Israeli Genocide
And what awful position is that? Denmark has not helped Israel in their genocide, there was a reaction against the Hamas terrorist attack a couple of years ago, but the tune has changed a lot since that. I agree that personally I think our prime ministers initial reaction was disgusting and tone deaf 100% supporting Israel (but only morally and at the time), but Denmark has not supported Israel in their violent attacks on Palestine. And Denmark has also criticized Israel very strongly, and OFFICIALLY accused Israel of genocide in for instance UN.
The knee jerk reaction to support Israel is something that most western democracies suffer from, we were responsible for the creation of Israel, and somehow see it as our responsibility to protect Israel. Although Israel has become the villain we originally wanted to protect them against.
But Denmark is in no way like either USA in this situation, that have laws that they are required to protect Israel. Those laws may have seemed like a good idea at the time, but in this situation they need to be removed.
Lets put things this way: nations which hold Universal Humanist Principles will always treat their citizens well (or at least as well as they can), but nations which treat their citizens well don't necessarily hold Universal Humanist Principles.
As for the rest, it's just circling back to my original point that few or no nations are civilized, but the citizens in some nations are civilized whilst the elites holding power are not.
Good to know Denmark has changed its position in the Genocide. When are the sanctions on Israel starting?!
I also noticed you didn't address my point on Denmark's government push for broad civil society surveillance for all of the EU with Chat Control, something which in my view is the very opposite of "civilized" in the modern era.
I like Trumps term. He called it a strike.
Two more and he's out, right?
I fear he is playing bowling, not baseball.
If we manage to escape the trump dictatorship, every soldier involved needs to be court-martialed and sentenced for following illegal orders.
This made me laugh. This is the same shit we've been doing for 100 years. "Illegal orders" aren't a thing when you use your imperial military to do imperialism. The last time we had a President that wasn't a war criminal was never.
Harrison!
Yeah this is more like a return to the norm, just more blatant and overt. And even earlier than 100 years, before America was strong enough to reach out into the world and do this to other countries, it was manifest destiny against the indigenous. You won’t find a corner of this planet unmolested by American imperialism, and the hardest hit are still problems that persist to this day.
Whether it’s the Panama Canal, the Monroe doctrine, the Banana republics, or atrocities in Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos. Intervening in civil wars and conflicts that would eventually create Taiwan and South Korea and Israel as American vassal states built with the purpose of serving American interests. Fomenting a coup in Iran over oil which would usher in the Iranian revolution, or smashing Iraq which created a power vacuum for isis to form. Wherever and whenever America reaches out into the world, death and destruction will typically follow. And if it isn’t leaving a shattered and broken state for whoever is left to pick up the pieces, then it’s funding and arming one side of a war to create a satellite state to enrich itself which leaves a conflict ready to reignite at any moment.
Even Harrison?
FYI US soldiers involved in illegal orders in the USA are almost never court-martialed or even put on trial. The only one I can think of actually being convicted is the Mai Lai massacre way back in 1968. The US has become consistently more brazen in its flaunting of international law regarding war crimes and any policing of its armed forces through subsequent administrations since.
In fact its very rare for US troops or even military contractors brazenly ignoring orders and committing war crimes to even be put on trial, let alone be convicted. The most recent incident I can think of is the four Blackwater contractors during 'Operation Iraqi Freedom' that massacred 17 unarmed Iraqi civilians and injured 20 in Baghdad city. There was such overwhelming evidence in the case that they were convicted by a US court of murder (one member) and manslaughter (the other three) in 2014.
Even that was an unacceptable level of accountability for the Republicans, so Trump gave them all presidential pardons in his first term in 2020.
They don't even prosecute foreign war criminals, much less their own. US Nuremberg trails had a <0.2% conviction rate for identified war criminals lol. Less than 1% of "major war criminals".
Criminal cops are paid instead of convicted.
There is 0 hope for any justice at all for these people unless the entire US government gets overthrown or something just as drastic.
The USA has done this many times (captured or even murdered heads of state, and anyone else they wish to), there has never been a court martial and nobody has ever been punished.
If you know of any exceptions, please share.
You could march them in fucking shackles to the Hague and they would just handwave them away. Nobody is coming to fucking save us, and the sooner people wake the fuck up and realize that, the sooner we can start organizing valuable and competent community defense networks.
This never happened in US history and I don't think americans have the spine to do anything even remotely close to this.
And then we should get all the world leaders in a big room and tell them they're being bad. Then they'll all sing and hold hands and stop all wars. And then later my mommy can make us all dino nuggies and we can watch Trollhunters on Netflix.
Y'know.... Of all the ridiculously stupid improbable absurdity that's happened...
... I'm kinda down for that one over whatever the frick we're living through at the moment lol.
And then later my mommy can make us all dino nuggies and we can watch Trollhunters on Netflix.
Your mom sounds cool. Call her and tell her she's cool. ❤️
Sadly, we won't.
Cute. Won't happen.
Nope. But it should.
Meanwhile trump has reaffirmed his calls to annex greenland: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/01/04/greenland-trump-venezuela/88018306007/
Trump is everything bad about a psychopath, sociopath and narcissist.
Rolled up in what we call malignant narcissist. He has complete disregard for other people, and he has absolutely no conscience, and he expects to be worshiped.
Fuck Americans for making him president twice.
Just the way he spoke about watching it happening live and comparing it to a good TV show says a lot about his mental state.
A key element of narcissism is that nothing really matters except the one person. The world is basically just something that happens and should always center around them. He's one of the biggest narcissists to ever exist so suffering and pain in others means nothing to him. It never has and never will.
We're all stuck in a shitty reality show going on in his head.
It's why I disowned my family. I am so bitter about it
Sorry to hear you lost your family to a cult.
In Denmark we have 12 parties in parliament, and none of them are as bad as the Republicans. Because none of them would remove healthcare for all.
I don't think most Americans really understand how extreme the Republicans are, even without Trump!
USA has gone mad as a society, and see the selfishness of rich Republicans as an expression of freedom.
It is not all Americans that are mad, but like when a person has terminal cancer, it is not all cells in the body that are cancerous, but it's enough to make the cancer terminal.
USA still has good people and even remarkable people, but unfortunately they are a minority.
Thanks for noticing. We're suffering in anxiety over here. People are getting depressed. There are protests everywhere., but things still look hopeless.
Right now it's obvious that they are trying to provoke people into shooting at ICE agents so that Trump has an excuse to cancel midterm elections. They know that if the elections happen, every one of them are going to prison. Or you'd think so. Our dem party is our best chance and they are paid for by Israel too.
There are a shit ton of armed people here. The majority of guns are owned by those who voted for Trump. Most liberal people just don't have them. A civil war here wouldn't be a war at all. More like a slaughter.
so that Trump has an excuse to cancel midterm elections. They know that if the elections happen,
Goddam the debates I have had, where people claim that is impossible, because the elections are run by the states.
I suspect we may see if it's possible or not, because Trump and the administration are completely unhinged.
A civil war here wouldn’t be a war at all. More like a slaughter.
Unless enough of the people that voted for Trump switch sides or stay at home because they can see things have gone to far.
Nazi Germany only fell because they were defeated from the outside, that is not possible with USA. So it's 100% up to the American people.
I hope you will have more political allies soon. At least the popularity of Trump has declined a lot since the election.
Even taking Maduro didn't help on that, and such things traditionally gains the administration and president a lot of support at least for a while. But for Trump it failed completely to gain him any popularity.
As a Dane whose brother works in Nuuk 2-4 months a year, I'm not a fan of those plans, actually. I'd rather he not, tbh.
Jeg er vild med dit brugernavn, broder
Tak 😁
I mean is there any provision if one nato country attacks another then what happens? realistically I dont think even united europe could do much to US militarily, until they all sanction them heavily.
Don't worry, he won't let them vote!
President of peace everyone 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
FIFA peace price in shambles
FIFA, that bastion of integrity?
President of paedophilia.
With the actual winner cheering him on!
Leader of the free nation
RIP International law.
Trump is still a pedophile. Don’t forget that. This is not a distraction from the Epstein files.
"But they're celebrating."
Yeah, if a foreign nation did a military operation and abducted Trump to face a trial for his crimes Americans would be in the streets celebrating.
But the celebration is going to be short when they realize their futures are now dictated by a felon rapist pedophile who's crashing his own nation's economy and violating his own citizen's rights.
Americans are terrorists and it’s people are cowards for allowing this to go on
And what would you do in our position? Stop acting like the average American citizen has any control over this.
General strike.
I mean, you Americans love to compare yourselves with Rome, learn something from the Secessio Plebis.
Or better, take a hint from your own previous social movements.
General strikes don't materialize out of nowhere and require significantly more organization and infrastructure than currently exists.
So then what you need to do is build ....what...... ? Take your thought to it's logical conclusion.
Look, dear American people, there is no cavalry coming to save you. You have to do this. It's your country. Build the infrastructure, build the organization.
Start small, build up: https://youtu.be/vvaquOcNEKI
I mean, at the VERY LEAST, you could do one of those cute marches during a week day... maybe start there
This is you right now!
The real problem here is that you painted your collective selves to a corner by apathy and inaction... now, pretty much any option left does require some sacrifice but God forbid you had to move a finger and crack a nail... better let other people keep dying so you can keep watching the game with a beer in hand
The average American is a pile of uneducated garbage.
Im just an indigenous guy enjoying the downfall of your people
Fat apathetic ignorant Americans are the true cowards.
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lol like a man falling off a cliff, grasping at branches
This is just such an incredibly stupid insulting thing to say.
Millions of Americans oppose this admin and are actively protesting and volunteering against it.
We can't just walk to fucking DC and remove a democratically elected prez you idiots
We can't just walk to fucking DC and remove a democratically elected prez you idiots
It's Jan 6th. tomorrow, just saying.
Yeah, and how did that work out?
Worked out great for the traitors, they all got pardoned and got re-elected.
It seems to have worked well enough for them, since they're the ones running the government now.
I also don't think they're going to leave peacefully ever. If you want them out, you might as well toss them out sooner than later.
It didn't stop Biden's inauguration, which was the stated goal.
You do realise there is another half of the country that opposes this right? Even if 55% of the country tries to throw trump out 45% will show up to stop him and that will be a very bloody conflict.
Better just to wait until mid terms and next election and vote him out.
Do you think they'll accept a loss at the next election, or are they going to start a bloody conflict anyway?
Not sure. I think the right will but I also think if they dont then its the better time for a bloody conflict.
You'll have a lot more people on your side after an election loss because trump is already unpopular and people will feel cheated out of democracy. Whereas if you start a conflict now your side will look like the ones trying to overthrow democracy since he was the legitimate winner.
You only get one shot at this kind of thing
Yes you can. "Millions of Americans" sounds like an army.
An army with (at best) small arms. Against the US military, we may as well have sticks and stones.
Your American army got defeated by villagers with sticks and stones in Vietnam.
Yeah it definitely didn't have anything to do with all the hardware and intel from Russia
Always someone else’s fault with you yanks. Never taking responsibility for your own failings.
"My" failing for a dumb war that ended over a decade before I existed. K.
Changing your Facebook profile picture doesn't count. If you feel insulted, look around and think.
Yeah you can’t cause you’re all talk, you’re idiots and cowards. The faster you guys become a third world shithole the better.
Your entire country is a disease.
Sincerely an indigenous person
Yes. And the good Americans are constantly working towards that, anywhere from really complicated micro step means like funding grassroots progressives to things like Massie and Khanna collaborating on legislation to nation wide protests.
This is an extremely complex and disturbing situation that requires mass demonstrations and complex beuarocratic machinations and acting like Greg from Atlanta not rolling up to Washington on a tractor with a shotgun is what's letting it happen is fucking reductive, emotional, immature, unconstructive, childish, in-fighting causing, and just fucking stupid. As stupid as they nking democracy is dead in the USA.
go and fuck your hat. I'm a coward because I don't want to stand up to the most powerful military in the world being damn near a senior citizen?
Bro, they on your side.
No one expects you to go Rambo. They just want the majority of people to find their morals and do something.
As unlikely as that is dont get so worked up because some anon was provoking you to do exactly what you just did. Maybe tomorrow you wont take down your local police department but instead look at a homeless person and think, "this isnt right."
I do contribute. Drive for a local charity a few hours a month. They need a truck, I got a truck.
I'm frustrated as fuck with the govt. right now. but, they voted it in and now we have to try to get through it. I hope it doesn't end with bloodshed.
Thats it man, youre leagues above. Dont let the politics trigger you. Youre losing yourself to something you cant control.
Same goes for me.
Really just outs the commenter as having no fucking clue what they are talking about.
We are doing what we can. Constant record breaking protests. Progressives are winning by historic margins. These stupid fucking pretentious insulting comments do less than nothing.
People really just cannot fucking comprehend the breadth and intensity of the psy op propaganda that the Republicans have enacted (really since Nixon) but intensely starting with Trump.
Unprecedented targetting, unprecedented amounts of propaganda, and a collaboration with multiple foreign adversaries to assist. Trumps campaign was literally sending voter data to Russia so they can specifically target Americans with propaganda.
On top of OAN, Fox News, podcasts, and talk radio, we literally had Russia and china making thousands of full on fake websites posing as legit news spreading insane anti left bullshit. Social media was completely flooded with bots spreading misinformation leading up to all of Trump's elections
America is the victim of the biggest and most advanced brainwashing campaign in the history of mankind and we all seem to be ignoring that fact when it is the single most important aspect of modern American and global politics.
Pure cope.
You try changing people’s opinions when you can’t even agree on what is and what isn’t reality. I really don’t think you guys have any idea how broken half of this country is. We do. Because we have to deal with these people on a daily basis. Some of them are our family.
says to do something
doesn't say what that something is
Sounds like a you problem
Then keep that shit to yourself
Woo woo woo woo lemmy police are here.
I am, the others arent. Wait till the midterms are stolen. We will reach peak irony levels there and some more might be willing till talk.
Your neighbor's nephew once wore blue jeans, so he's basically a war criminal.
We expect you to do your best
how about try to ask yourself: would you have shot hitler, had you been there, in nazi-germany? when all oposing parties and minorities were consecutively arrested and jailed?
There were several assassination attempts against Hitler, some of those attempts by Germans.
There have been several assassination attempts against Trump as well as consistent protests that are breaking participation records
i am a german, i know of this stuff. i was just responding to the guy, who said, theres nothing, as an US-american, he can do about. Sure he can. Americans shouldnt belittle us, as to what happened during the time of nazi germany, when they wont do stuff themselves, when presented with an somewhat similar situation.
This Canadian agrees.
This is the best evidence we have for time travel
okay, so the google ai (i forgot to turn it off) says pre ww2 germany was about 633,000 square kilometers to the hogshead (including austria and sudentenland because idk i was up late). united states takes up about 9,150,000 square kilometers to the hogshead. does that explain the difference in size a little bit?
so what, the country is bigger, so any assasination on trump is riskier? or resistence to the covernment? i dont understand your logic, what does size of a country matter when presented with an president, who does fascist things, right in the front of you face. And the american people do nothing about it, they then are all complicit in his actions, as were deemed the german people during the nuremberg trials.
y'all are trying to say just walk over to dc. you seem to not understand the scale of things. you had a country, we have a continent to walk across. fucking bad faith nazi.
sure, and for the last 70 years, we had no meaningful invention in types of transportation? u r just a hypocrite. And you can still protest in your city, county, whatever, what hinders you on that? grow a spine already.
whine more, tankie
Yeah why aren't me and you single handedly overthrowing this democratically elected government! We must be stupid or something
I love seeing foreigners asking Americans online why they don't just stop this.
Like, motherfucker millions of us voted against this.
This is the result of multiple nations and multiple massive data analytics corps collaborating to create the biggest propaganda machine ever seen on earth which brainwashed millions of Americans.
But yeah. Why the fuck isnt Dave, the liberal from Vermont just walking to Washington and stopping this!!!! /s
It's not, though. Europeans in the fediverse have consistently made this argument since the election.
No. But the American logic has always been "we must do something" -> "this is something" -> "therefore we must do it". Take the dumbest idea and run with it, or use it as an excuse for inaction.
This why you guys are considered the dumbest people on Earth
Excellent retort. Now go feel high and mighty.
You've really made a difference by insulting people who agree with you and are already using their means to fight against this admin
You are a true revolutionary.
Wish you could go back in time and tell all the Jews in Germany who didn't vote for Hitler that they are stupid for not stopping him. That would be really constructive. You could really save us some trouble there.
You're comparing the american people to the jews in 1940? The jews were a tiny minority and they had the state AND the public against them.
i've literally seen you ask this
You are a coward. Along with the millions who stayed home on voting day, letting this global nightmare happen. 2nd amendment you yanks love to waive around in everyone’s face, was made for this. Yet … crickets.
The victim is the world and the murder-rapist is the us. We do think its fucked up you all live in the same house but there comes a point when maybe "don't blame me I voted for Kodos" does not work when you are all buying the clown makeup for John Wayne Gacy.
Careful with that edge, GreenCrybaby23.
Us citizens are the perpetrators of these global crimes. Your government acts in all your names
I unblocked you for a response, something I don't usually waste my time on but this is so funny I had to point it out.
you have at least two alt accounts and are actively accusing and discrediting someone for the same thing. I think ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip should at least know who they're arguing with.
as if that wasn't enough, you actually upvote all of your own comments with your alt accounts.
🤣
it's absurd, if you spent half that effort on being a normal human being nobody would be able to tell how pathetic you are.
anyway, good luck with whatever hate machine you're building. if this is the best you can do you're going to need it.
sounds like someone is mad they got caught 🤣
tag me however you want, won't make your actions any less pathetic.
for the record, I wouldn't have even seen it if you hadn't downvote bombed all my comments, but you piqued my interest enough to investigate your account.
I found some pretty interesting stuff. did you know that it's possible to see all the downvote bombing you've done? like seriously dude....do you not have a life? not only that, but it seems you actually wrote a script to go through and do it for you because these timestamps are almost simultaneous.
I'm impressed that you could know enough to script something out and still be ignorant enough to leave breadcrumbs behind. real amateur hour stuff.
that's not the only interesting thing either. I can see your upvotes too. it's pretty telling tbh.
I think I am missing the point here, why is this being shown as some sort of issue?
Wow, thats a bit of a crash out.
Makes a post like this and calls other people pathetic is a pretty legendary crash out.
Fuck America, let them suffer, make them burn, especially the current administration.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
The amount of people who voted republican completely obliterates the tiny fraction of people who abstained from voting democrat. How about directing focus where it's relevant?
The amount of people who sat home on voting day outweighs both republican and democrat voters. Apathy won the last presidential election, just like every election in recent memory.
Apathy is a tool of capital. If apathy is the reason, capitalism is the cause
While true, a Pew study found that "if all Americans eligible to vote in 2024 had cast ballots, the overall margin in the popular vote likely would not have been much different".
So, anyone continuing the "nonvoters did this" line can fuck off.
Encouraging more democratic leaning voters would've made a difference however, you don't have to assume linear proportional effect
Also true, but much more easily said than done.
Encouraging more democratic leaning voters would’ve made a difference however, you don’t have to assume linear proportional effect
Which is exactly the job of the Democrat Party leaders, which is done via amongst other things offering potential voters the things they desire and assuaging their concerns, things which are clearly not "Unwavering support of Israel and its Genocide", "Do whatever is good for Finance and Tech-bros" or "Supporting the Cheney family, legacy and political ideology".
The people with by far the most power to convince leftwing leaning non-voters to vote for the Democrat Party were the Democrat Party leaders and they, with all that power they had, actually did the very opposite of trying to cater to the desires and concerns of such non-voters.
Yet around here whenever american politics pops up as a subject we get a rabid pack of mindless useful idiots blaming non-voters literally for not convincing themselves to vote for a party whose leaders activelly tried to reject them, never blaming those fucking leaders for activelly rejecting said potential voters.
Fuck the subservient, bootlicking Democrat Party tribalists who keep on excusing the profound incompetence and greed of their tribe's "chiefs" and parroting the DNC propaganda line that pushes the blame to non-voters rather than accept that the blame for a fucking monster like Trump having been elected a second time is overwhelmingly of the DNC and the rest of the Democrat Party leadership who once again chose to "stay pretty close but just below" in the Evil scales from the Republicans
Maybe it's not so obvious for those living inside America and its Politics, but from the outside it's obvious that both of Trump's presidential election victories are the end product of decades of the Democrat Party leadership getting away with representing ever fewer people whilst relying on a "vote lesser evil" strategy, all of which supported by the very same useful idiots who now, once again, come out relentlessly parroting the "everybody but ourselves is to blame" mindless bullshit that only an acephalic tribalist muppet would believe.
It is fucking obvious for anybody who knows just a bit of World History that Trump or somebody like him was bound to be elected sooner or later in the US when the strategy of the competing political force there was nothing more than invariably sidding with the handful of moneyed elites just limited by the need to stay just one step below in the Ladder of Evil from the other political force.
So enjoy the Fall Of The Empire you created for yourselves (by supporting a "Greater Evil" vs "Lesser evil" political power structure) and for the other 340 million people over there, whilst the rest of us batters the hatches and endures the side effects of the "Empire overextending itself militarily whilst the homeland becomes ever empoverished and authoritarian" phase of such Fall until America fizzles in power (if you're lucky) or breaks up.
"tiny fraction of people" millions of registered D voters sat it out
The DNC knew that Harris campaign pursuing Republican votes would cost her the election. She knew it, too, she's not dumb.
Independents outnumber Ds and Rs; if you ignore your own Democrats and ignore Independents and pursue Republican votes, you will lose every time.
The math requires you to keep your own voters AND acquire Independent votes. There's no way around it, not enough Ds exist, even if all had voted you still need I votes.
This is why Democratic campaigns are otherwise always focused on D and I votes.
Why did they ignore the fundamentals? You decide... but recall that she raised over a billion dollars in a few months, whilst Trump raised only 900 million in four years.
yeah but then how could libs feel smugly superior?
they’d rather blame the tiny fraction of people with principles rather than the third of the country that is actively fascist, because politically, they’re closer to the fascists
I'd hardly take criticism from so called leftists regarding smugness.
Blaming "liberals" for not voting on "principle" (re: ego) while they sit on their asses telling everyone else to form an armed rebellion instead certainly aren't smug bastards themselves.
Because they are the ones that knew but chose to play some bullshit game instead of putting their shit aside for the reality they knew was there but just made them feel uncomfortable.
Its actually way worse in that way then the republicans who are nearly impossible to blame as they were and some still are totally convinced a fantasy reality was actually there at that time and can't be held as accountable by blaming as much as they see it as a personal attack and it vindicates them if not put in language they understand.
Tell the republicans to fuck themselves and it helps to remind them they're supporting a pedo and a warmongerer. Hold them accountable with specifics actions he's done against them and why its bad. Not a general you shouldn't have voted for him because fantasyland reasoning
You have to do their thinking for them entirely I'm learning, its like drugs, theyre addicted to people thinking for them, have to get them a healthy alternative to give time for some critical thinking to develop so that they can fend for themselves but not before that happens
play some bullshit game
Oh I know this one, its the two party system pretending to be a democracy right?
But I am things are bad because the wrong team is in power, and if they turn out to be great it is all due to the brave right team. But hey good thing you are there to "do their thinking for them entirely"!
Jesus your contextual reading needs work
Fox news ONN types need they're thinking done for them.
You need therapy and a fucking wake up call. This is reality not some ideological victimhood posturing contest. The two party system controlled by the media and the monetary powers that be run this shitshow (along with Russian gov misinformation campaigning and other fucking useful idiots)
So spelled out. It was not a good time to take that fight and were all getting fucked up now because you fucked up your turn.
Figure if they come for you, your family or a loved one and send them to some hellhole that might that might help you understand that. But have fun winning your "The world has to work how I want it before I participate" award. Wasn't worth it IMO.
Learn to play the actual game or get fucked by those that already do. Good fucking luck next turn. Do not fuck up this one
You need therapy
What’s the definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?
Well, I’ve been voting “blue no matter who” for damn near 30 years now, and shit has not changed for the better. Society has changed for the better in some ways, but that is not being represented in our government.
I’m starting to think my vote for Nader was the sanest thing I’ve ever done in my civic life.
Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.
And you see no issues with this statement? You need the wake up call, you live in a hellscape that is actively making the world worse and just assume I do too. You and your american exceptionalism can go to hell. The best time to fight was before and the next best time is now.
Please do the world a favor and ether fix your shit nation or collapse already.
Bologna. There are not enough conservative voters in virtually any nation to win in an election that progressive voters actually turn out to. Conservatives only win when progressives don't vote; conservatives NEVER don't vote.
I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
But the moral prohibition on siding with any administration that endorses genocide will force a different flavor of the exact same logic that centrist liberalism has depended on for so long: hold your nose and align with the least worst thing. Only the least worst thing will no longer be the mild, ethics-agnostic emptiness of modern Western liberalism, nor will it be the multitude of barbaric authoritarians and their secret prisons. It will be communal solidarity, or else nothing, a walking away from all of this. Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to
make it close.
— Omar El-Akkad, One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, correction mine
That argument works when the difference is small.
That argument doesn't work when one option is a cataclysmic disaster
But most importantly - when you look at what policies that Trump voters said they voted for, you could divide that into a fraction of voters voting for evil (plain stupid racists), and a large fraction voting for something positive which they had been told Trump would deliver - yet which he was objectively worse at. Most people voted Trump for the economy while told he was a great businessman, or for healthcare while told he'd make health insurance more affordable (but now he made it less), etc...
Almost every positive impact in the last decades that his voters attributed to him was delivered by his opposition.
This wasn't an election lost to attrition. Your quote explains nothing about what happened.
There was more votes than ever. It was lost to propaganda and people being idiots, not seeing through the fraud. Trump's policies lost every poll when names were taken off. Everything he wanted to do kept being rejected. But the propaganda machine made people distrust the people who delivered all the things they said they were grateful for, and to trust the liar instead.
Implying that a Harris/second Biden administration wouldn't be a cataclysmic disaster
Implying that any outcome where AmeriKKKa continues to exist and destroy our world wouldn't be a cataclysmic disaster
If you can not understand a difference in scale then your school years was a cataclysmic disaster
Maybe they went to an Arkansas school, or any other american one that teaches people to only support the terrible system.
But hey! You voted right so you can be smug and its only fair you get to point your impotent rage at those who did not vote the way you did. And next time when the two parties are both somehow worse you can once again vote for the lesser evil!
You can move to a dictatorship if you want to be relieved of the option to vote wrong
Yeah! That is my point!
Republican voters voted for this. Non-voters didn't vote, hence the name. I can't believe I have to tell you this. Even if there wasn't a single non-voter, nothing would've changed. Try directing your douchebag attitude towards those who are actually responsible.
I agree that saying "non-voters voted for" anything is basically absurd, but people sitting on the couch rather than voting did affect the outcome of the 2024 election. A bit over three million fewer people voted in 2024 than 2020.
Yes, the second and first most voted elections in your nations history. Clearly it is the small number of voters that are not supportive of the only two options at fault.
Managed democracy is meant to be a joke, but the real joke is the attitude on display from americans that somehow still think they live in a democracy.
Non voters voted for this by virtue of being too stupid to know how our system works. They deserve responsibility.
In our first past the post system with only 2 parties, the non-voters did vote for this.
Every non-voter was fine with this outcome because they couldn't sack up and make the less bad choice. If you see a car coming towards a child in the road and do nothing you are still partly responsible if they get hit. They allowed it to happen through their inaction.
Bro just wants someone to blame to avoid facing responsibility.
Responsibility for someone else's vote?
All the people making excuses for why their vote clearly didn't matter so they were better off not voting obviously aren't making excuses themselves. That would be silly!
Republicans by and large know what they voted for. Protest-non-voters need to be informed what they in fact voted for, as you demonstrate.
Ah yes see you're looking to assign responsiblity. Again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
There’s been polling analysis that showed if you forced everyone to vote then Harris would have lost to Trump by an even bigger margin due to the unpopularity of the administration at the time. Nonvoters didn’t make a difference. Michigan was won by Trump by a bigger margin than all college students or Arabs or Muslims or any other minority group in the state.
I think you're trying to assign blame. Again, I am informing non-protest-voters what they voted for.
That’s not what they voted for.
It’s a weird world where you blame the public for not voting for a flawed candidate rather than the candidate for not being flawed. It’s like blaming an audience for not laughing at the comedian on stage.
Harris made a conscious choice to avoid pandering to certain constituencies (in hopes it would pay off by gaining conflicted Republican voters) and that gamble went wrong as people warned it would.
you blame
Funny that you are still coming back almost 2 weeks later, only to ignore what I said, and continue on.
And called it, you are trying assign blame. So again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Ciao.
And you continue to ignore what I said the first time and continue on preaching nonsense.
They totally care
Knowledge is power.
AmeriKKKa is uniparty on foreign policy. This exact outcome would have happened under a Harris administration, except they would have kept up the kayfabe, so I would have had to spend hours debating with shitlibs like you that this war is in fact just about oil.
If you wanna play "shame Olympics", liberals should be fucking ashamed for losing to the fucking fascists twice, giving the keys of the kingdom to the fascist twice, doing fucking nothing with their political power every time they had it, and barely even pretending to offer a political program worth fighting for.
Ah gotta love the insults (and b b b b b b biden bad!). Ciao.
Of course Biden bad! Biden could have ended the Gaza genocide with a single fucking phone call! Are you a genocide supporter?!?
Trump, of course, being so much better.
Pragmatism beats principles every day of the week. The problem is it makes weak-willed people scared.
Yes, pragmatically speaking, voting for Biden does absolutely fucking nothing to alleviate any of the problems faced by the working class. It doesn't affect the onward progression of capitalism, it doesn't stop the racists from controlling the government, doesn't stop the cops from murdering black people, doesn't stop the erasure of LGBTQIA lives, doesn't do anything.
The pragmatic options are to first stabilize your own situation, and then organize popular resistance and do direct actions if you have the bandwidth.
It's amazing they're only upset about insults after starting off with them
The USA famously never invaded or bombed any country during Democrat administration /s
Obama bombed the shit out of people his entire term. Including an American citizen.
Kamala. Supported. The. Genocide.
Oh shut up already, Gaza is totally saved because you didn't fucking vote
Please note that Presidents are NOT elected by popular vote, this is all worthless posturing.
We're about to get more than one genocide thanks to people like them.
Yea? How's that lookin currently?
The other instead is the genocide
Oh? Thank God she never got to be president
The US acts of war? Why does the news do this. We all know this isn't an "operation".
Considering the new york crimes reporting on gaza multiply that number by 10. The American Pedophile crime syndicate state media will always minimize war crimes.
How morally curropt a society have to be to be ruled by literal pedophiles waging wars for oil.
Fuck this shit
"operation" doing some heavy lifting in this lede
Fuck amrikkka
Fucking terrorist hell hole of a nation
Amrikkka is the satan
Burn this country down
The AfD is on the way to run the show, like many far right factions in many nation states of Europe.
The only way to stop tyranny is to stand up to it, and angry lemmy posts won’t do that. The danger is always much closer than the “foreigners” so many xenophobes like to point out.
Once tyranny is in power the resistance needs support, not condemnation. I thought this was known 80 years ago, apparently not so much today.
Such bullshit. They are tiny parties that very few agree with that are being supported by the US in the name of "free speech", so just fuck right off with that and stop believing what you read on X
Reuters covered the election where they landed 152 of the bundestag seats, just behind the majority of CDU/CSU with 208 seats. https://www.reuters.com/world/germany/german-election-2025-updates-2025-02-23/
To say they are a "tiny party" is nuts. It doesn't matter if an ultra minority support them, because a sizable portion vote for them.
The exceptions make the rule, Donald Trump alone did this bypassing all safeguards the USA put in place to prevent this sort of thing.
Republicans could have held him responsible at any time. Republicans could have blocked any of this at any point. Trump alone was a narcicistic fool with fragile masculinity. Republicans made him the threat he is. Far too many Democrats failed to take things seriously too.
Democrats had no power to do anything about this because the DNC haven't had more than 48 senators in the last 13 years.
Republicans are all bad and all complicit, with that I agree, but I would easily say Donald Trump is the worst of them and anybody else in the party would be a lesser evil than him.
Right, yet many like Fetterman etc were confirming his goons etc. They still bear responsibility, even if it's less. They failed to treat the situation with the appropriate respect and responses that it deserved. Instead, behaving like everything was still normal. which is still fucked up at best.
Fetterman is a brain-damaged moron who can't be recalled. When every single DNC, Independent, and 3 Republicans voted against Pete Hegseth, he was confirmed anyways. If the DNC held a real majority then he would not have been, nor would several Trump SCOTUS picks, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
you would still run into DINOs like SCHUMER, slotkin, and 10+others.
Those dusty bastards can't compromise if there is nothing to compromise on, DNC having the members to write, call to vote, and pass legislature would be a night and day difference.
The reason they don't hold a majority is exactly because they refuse to take anything seriously. Much less the desires of the voters. And it wasn't just Fetterman he and Shaheen were definitely the worst. Hassan, Kelly, Tim fucking Kane the former VP nominee, Gilibrand, Klobuchar, Peters, Slotkin, Warnock, Hickenlooper, goddamned Corey Booker!? Yes they voted against the worst of the worst. They just voted for the worst and got nothing but shame to show for it.
Hah! Just saw this. Kelly won an extra prize. Shame and a pension cut!
Pretty sure its because they attempted but failed to ban money from congress after the 2010 SCOTUS decision and have been fighting the combined PR strength of monied interests, Russia, China, and Racism.
The DNC want to forgive student debt, tax the rich, expand medical to everyone, and generally be better people in terms of foreign policy.
And? I mean, yeah. They did attempt those things, which was good. Would have been better if they had accomplished any of them. But that's not at all the reason voters didn't vote for them.
Voters didn't vote for them because no one who had Biden's ear. Got through to him till far too late for any sort of primary to run. Then they dumped the wet rag known as Kamala on us. Who continued to fail to inspire or listen to anyone on anything, especially regarding Palestine.
They accomplished some of them when they had power, over 13 years ago.
I'm honestly not sure if you're trolling or just incredibly ignorant about US American history. America is constantly invading other countries, inciting and supporting coups, stealing resources, murdering civilians. It's just what they do, have done historically, and will continue to do
just incredibly ignorant about US America
It's that one every time
Alright but so did the Vikings and the Spartans but we don't refer to it as a Viking Empire or the Spartan Empire because that's not what the word means. Making an Empire means claiming territories as your own and colonizing foreign lands.
EDIT: Had my comment threads mixed up earlier. Not going to fix it.
Just like when he attacked Iran dems are only upset they weren't informed before and allowed to vote yes, not that he did the illegal actions...
Then again we haven't had an official war since WW2 so not like safe guards were doing anything before
TBH if congress were aware of the operation in Venezuela I would probably be happy about it, fuck Maduro and every other anti-democracy bastard.
But that's not the reality of the situation. The reality is Trump did something highly illegal.
TBH if congress were aware of the operation in Venezuela I would probably be happy about it, fuck Maduro and every other anti-democracy bastard.
So just like the dems only upset that our president attacked a sovereign nation, took their leader and now claims ownership of, because he didn't let the dems give him pre approval.
Again only upset at the illegal act of not notifying congress beforehand.
Trump might claim ownership, but nothing has actually been done to enforce it. Rubio says he's expecting Maduro's people, VP Delcy Rodriguez, to start playing ball as they are now in charge. Hell, they apparently didn't even try to inform Gonzalez or Machado beforehand to install one of them.
According to the pentagon, for what little their word is worth, there are no US Troops left in Venezuela.
Again only care about the paperwork not the actions. And he doesn't care about Machado so why would he tell her anything.
In order to install a puppet leader. If only because of Trump's incompetence, Venezuela is still governed by Maduro's faction.
So it would be better if he had put a terrible person who wants to sell off her countries assets?
I'm not sure how you're confused about what my stance is, I've been very concise, consistent, and vocal about my beliefs.
What Trump did is illegal and wrong and he should be removed and punished.
Also, it's a good thing that Maduro got taken out, fuck that guy.
If DNC were in charge then none of this shit would be happening and the world would be a better place. Calling for the destruction of the USA is a foolish simpleton ideal that will cause more death and suffering.
TBH if congress were aware of the operation in Venezuela I would probably be happy about it, fuck Maduro and every other anti-democracy bastard.
You just don't like having your beliefs shown to you.
DNC were in charge then none of this shit would be happening and the world would be a better place
Again just like when Iran was attacked they were only upset they didn't get to vote yes not that the attacks happened
Yeah, Iranian leaders and soldiers are human bags of shit and it is Congress' sole responsibility to use as much force as they deem necessary for a better future.
Therefore it's okay to bomb or kill civilians?
First of all, the fuck does that have to do with crimes that Trump did?
Secondly, there are fights I would be willing to fight on the frontline, such as fighting against Russia or China. Every inch we let them take now is a mile we have to defend later.
Yeah, Iranian leaders and soldiers are human bags of shit and it is Congress' sole responsibility to use as much force as they deem necessary for a better future.
Idk how else you take it as approval to kill civilians like what happened in Iran.
Secondly, there are fights I would be willing to fight on the frontline, such as fighting against Russia or China. Every inch we let them take now is a mile we have to defend later
Oh so you do want to go join soliders to kill civilians
Was this Iran attack you're referencing an approved act of war by congress? If yes, that's fine, if not, that was illegal. It's not rocket science, you should be able to figure this out.
Soldiers and Politicians are not Civilians. If China, Russia, and Iranian aggression sparks a war then they're as much to blame for the consequences. Fuck Around, Find Out.
So yes if the paper work is in order you don't care who is killed.
How can you not see that?
If China, Russia, and Iranian aggression sparks a war then they're as much to blame for the consequences. Fuck Around, Find Out
Unless it's the US at the approval of congress according to you.
Again stop the bullshit and admit that you are fine with the actions of trump just not how he does them
You know, it's really annoying that you can just claim the opponent holds a stance even when they specifically deny the allegation.
For example, I hear that you enjoy feeding babies to wolves in ritualistic sacrifice. Why do you do this?
Yes quoting you claiming the opposite of what you send.
And I it's you being rhetorical but would. It be surprised if you were feeding babies to wolves to help dnc
I've never contradicted what I said, you repeatedly claim I would condone violence done to civilians when I've repeatedly specifiec soldiers and politicians of the hostile regimes.
It be surprised if you were feeding babies to wolves to help dnc
See? Look, right there, you're belittling me for not sacrificing babies like you do. Why do you do this thing? Who are you praying to with these infanticides?
Was this Iran attack you're referencing an approved act of war by congress? If yes, that's fine, if not, that was illegal. It's not rocket science, you should be able to figure this out.
Soldiers and Politicians are not Civilians. If China, Russia, and Iranian aggression sparks a war then they're as much to blame for the consequences. Fuck Around, Find Out.
if the attack was legal then it's okay.
Look, right there, you're belittling me for not sacrificing babies like you do. Why do you do this thing? Who are you praying to with these infanticides?
Amazingly terrible reading comprehension as usual
Why wolves specifically?
The exceptions make the rule, Donald Trump alone did this bypassing all safeguards the USA put in place to prevent this sort of thing.
Probably because you think Trump is the wolf in the hen house rather than think that it's always how the president has acted, just usually with an actual PR team
So the wolves you kill children for represent Putin? Would you sacrifice babies to some other animal in the absence of wolves? Would a bear not make more sense?
This headline needs to change.
US military murders 80 people an illegal raid on foreign soil.
the same NYT that dint bother reporting the attack, because they recieved the info days before it from the trump administration. NYT AND POST are cupable as well.
Fuck the USA.
Clearly the Orange Turd needs a peace prize.
I will donate the best thing on the Internet.
Did you forget what website you're on?
We call that the price of freedomtm
The Lord Farquad rule
If venezuela had nuclear weapons none of this would have happened.
Murders.
Still waiting for a Western news source to call the US administration terrorists.
Acting surprised after seeing the unlimited support by USA, Canada, UK, France, Germany, Italy, Greece, UAE, India, China, Russia, Ukraine support for genociding the Palestinians in Gaza and West Bank is funny to me.
Now we see Canadian and Mexican afraid to even call the US out because no one will come to rescue them if the US did the same. And they deserve it.
Nothing lower to me than killing children and babies, so my expectations are non existing for such government and people.
Does that include the boat murders ?
America is the modern European empire, just moved over. Europe is a vassal state of America, btw.
Just stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein and Trump please.
It seems that enshittification with a few small tweaks can be resold as "Gaza-morgified"
What a lame reason to not care about something. Peak whataboutisum.
Credit where it is due.
And to your point people did care when other nations were getting bombed, but most of them have been part of long on going situations that make black and white views difficult. The rest of the world has had the same reaction you are having now when people where bombed in almost every area of the globe, in this case though you have the whole thing happen very very quickly and with almost no rational reason. This time is only different in the lack of pretending.
But the world did time and time again deeply care when the us military killed people. It is a key reason the us reputation is less then stellar and why us tourists often put other English speaking flags on their bags.
Americans are nothing less than violent murderers.
Every single yank has blood on their hands because they refuse to overthrow their government doing this
This is WW2 Germany, but this time it’s being played out by a narcissistic pedophile
They are all complicit in these crimes.
They are all cowards.
They are all afraid to act on on their 2nd Amendment
FUCK YOU AMERICA!!!
Thank you for volunteering to pay our bills while we overthrow our government!
Meh, not that great an argument. We really shouldn't be paying bills to people who allow this system to keep chugging.
Better argument would be that we have our own domestic military to be afraid of (i.e. AmeriKKKan police).
And even in the face of both these arguments, I think it's 1000% justified to be upset at USians because they barely even have to try to manufacture our consent anymore.
You're so passionate! I encourage you to come to the USA and lead the charge. Show us how it's done! Your leadership will surely be a shining beacon for all, your wisdom remembered for the ages. We'll erect a big statue of you and everything.
p.s. if Americans are violent murderers, so are every citizen of every country that aids the US military war machine in any way; if you sit at the table with Nazis you are a Nazi, etc. Chances are very good the USA arms YOUR country
But they have work tomorrow. /s
I'm appalled by the US leaders and protesting against this shit whenever I can, but using the WW2 example undermines your argument unless the logic is that all the German jews would have just fixed all that Hitler shit if they weren't such cowards.
I'm sure y'all say that to North Koreans too. What a bunch of cowards for being powerless.
North Koreans are not obliterating their neighbours and the middle east. What a stupid comparison.
So if Kim Jong In also blew up neighbors, the slaves would then be responsible for stopping him?
Also, protestors are now labeled as terrorists, so if you protest now your employment is limited. It gets worse every day.
So, do you say the same about russians?
No, only about the people in the rich country. You know, the ones with no job security, free health care / education, no Internet privacy laws, shitty public transportation and expensive car notes, no social safety net except the ones boomers have, and 40+ hour work weeks tied to health care. Now just think of the felonies everyone will have since protestors are labeled terrorists and so they will never be able to vote again or get a good job. God what a shit show.
Folks, the fight has to happen a different way. They didn't win by force, and they will not lose by force either. There needs to be bot farms spreading positive news and facts. Use the same tactics maybe.
Tbh maduro is a stupid person, and while this is a violation to international laws, he deserves to be in jail for life after all crimes against humanity on 2014 strikes. I do not feel bad by his faith. The best scenario would be the venezuelan people make justice, but regime had all the state forces. What option do they had???
How many were civilians, how many were Venezuelan military and how many were Cuban mercenaries.
Cuban "mercenaries"? Legal, government-led Cuban troops are not mercenaries. Fuck you