This is not okay
5mon 5d ago by discuss.online/u/bytesonbike in microblogmemes from discuss.online
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Just in case anyone is not aware: This slogan is referring to collective punishment, which is a war crime. She is advocating for war crimes, shamelessly, in front of the populace.
Someone shoot that bitch. And tRump and the rest of the cunts around him.
Don't ask for her to be shot. That's unclassy and rude. Politely ask someone to Kirk her.
Get kirked
đŤ˘why did I read that in the voice of Rick?!
âGet kiiirkt! Motherfucker! đđťđđť season 8! Rick and Morty!..â Etc.
And her husband (if there is someone that can stand her) can then start fucking someone else from the administration. So it is complete Kirking. Maybe Vance would be up for it? He seems to not care, as long as it's white.
War crimes against the people in her own country
War crimes only apply to war. For example, the use of chemical weapons is a war crime, but their use against your own population is apparently fine and dandy.
True, but I think that the point stands. Advocating for something that is a war crime, even while not at war, should be treated very seriously.
Of course it should be treated very seriously. It won't, but it should. The government threatening the people is literally what the 2nd amendment is about.
Fine and dandy
crimes against humanity
Sparkling crimes
Many things which would be war crimes if carried out by soldiers are legal if done by law enforcement against the people they're supposed to defend
Then they are crimes against humanity
Yeah, looks like I didnât fully finish the thought in my head đ The seriousness of this situation cannot be overstated. It goes without saying that since taking office, the regime started their campaign of terror without hesitation, and have stepped it up by the day.
I want to clarify something that others aren't. Yes, things that would be war crimes aren't if not used in war, but this doesn't give a reason. A lot of them are to prevent mistakes in war, not because it's evil. For example, you aren't allowes to use chemicals that are often used on civilians, but it isn't because they're particularly harmful. It's because you don't know what they are until latter, so if you see it you may respond with your own chemical weapons, which may be harmful. This is just one example, but a lot of the time "war crimes" are there to prevent escalation, not because of how harmful they are. (Obviously some are because of the harm though.)
I tried to find a definition that would explain that and failed. Can you provide some source for that claim? What you refer to does seem to be a violation of warfare laws but not war crime, which is a violation of humanitarian law
holy fuck. Not even said, they made a fucking podium
To what was this a response? That people want to bring the Minnesota murderer to court?
That is the confusing thing, no one killed one of theirs. The most pain Iâve seen any of them in is when theyâre unprepared for the MN winter.
They assume to be the victim at every turn, it's how they justify breaking the law and brutalizing/killing us.
Must be in response to everyone laughing at the ICE agent slipping on some, ice.
I just saw a podcast/yt vid today that had a segment on stats for how dangerous it's been for ICE since it was established. No ICE members have ever been killed or injured by immigrants.
Leading cause of death is covid-19 (perhaps unsurprising, considering all the antivax idiots who must overlap heavily), followed by cancer from 9/11. One guy died from accidentally shooting himself in the leg. The only case that even involved an immigrant is when an ICE guy died after chasing someone and had a heart attack.
https://youtu.be/NlM_H9rbwrI?t=2196
(timestamp aroud 36:30 if the link doesn't work)
They're laying the groundwork for when one of their untrained cowboys is killed by a civilian protecting themselves to justify their overblown response. Or to instill fear so it doesn't happen.
Yep. Force neighborhoods to suppress themselves.
Then we need to find and eliminate him instead
Yep.
And how would they react if protestors for Renee Good waved that slogan on a sign about ICE?
I don't understand why people would even be debating that.
if you write something out and display it, it is no different than saying it out loud. that's not debatable, that's just the way it is.
this is my take when you see the most asinine shit imaginable on the fediverse where it's mostly real flesh and blood humans. people bring their biases from getting gassed in comments sections from other places in the form of influence campaigns and then say that shit with their whole chest. i don't think this can really be fixed here on lemmy because of a variety of factors, i think the best that can be done is ensure that positive, anti-imperial, propaganda has presence that people can identify with and then get verbal confirmation of at group meetings for mutual aid or whatever
If it helps, in another post about if Renee Good's driving was a part of why she was executed, Lemmy commenters were complaining about if using Google to search online was acceptable.
It's kinda depressing honestly.
Attacking how communication is done instead of what's being communicated is a form of subversion the CIA uses to mess with foreign actors. The left and its tolerance towards others (e. g. misgendering by accident) is very susceptible to such attacks and they've let themselves be decimated on the public stage because of it.
That's a false dichotomy: it's possible to argue about menial things AND conduct meaningful actions at the same time.
Also, the majority of Lemmy users are outside the US and have very little control over anything that has to do with US politics outside of urging Americans to get their shit together.
What violence against ICE?
Doesn't matter about reality, they can respond to any thing they say, made up or not.
Its never okay to spread objectively false information. If they were directly quoting Nazis, I would be on the first plane out of here, leaving behind my family and all my property. When I first read this, my heart jumped, because I thought that's what I now I had to do.
But then I see that it isn't true. Yes, this is alarming and horrible, but do you really think it wouldn't be any more alarming if they were directly quoting Nazi slogans?
It's fucked up. No one is disagreeing with that. However, making shit up makes your argument weaker. The enemy will only have to point out that you're making it up to get people to ignore you then. This post is specifically about the made up thing. If it was about the podium then there wouldn't be an issue.
Be careful of false news that suits your narrative, it weakens our position.
That phrase has no known Nazi origin that I could find. As loath as I am to link to Reddit, there is a good write up here:
I'm inclined to give AskHistorians a pass. There is no community on Reddit that tries as hard as they do to moderate their way around the limitations of the platform and its management.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD's in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously. You are there to ask a historian a question, and if none answers, then so be it.
And I agree, pushing past the obvious dog whistle to go somewhere the data doesn't lead is a way to weaken what should be a self-evidently powerful argument that the Trumpers are embracing ever-more-openly fascist positions on, well, everything.
I wholeheartedly agree.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD's in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously
Verified by whom?
Reddit as a whole is a consent manufacturing machine. These "verified" crap shoots, where every one of the "discussions" align with the confirmation bias of the people manufactured by people who want to curate the narrative doesn't have any credibility beyond people who are gullible or benefit from these narratives.
But you do you.
Literally have watched the typically accepted propaganda get removed quickly on that sub. Also had several conversations with mods when I was on there. Levelheaded and quite serious about their work. Literally the only sub that seemed to maintain ethics and consistency.
That being said, Iâve not been on there in a couple of years.
Verified by providing well sourced and reasoned answers. There are PhD contributors but mostly it's down to providing consistently providing context to an answer and not going off on some fringe tangent. It's easily the most heavily moderated subreddit.
"Why on reddit" comes up often and the answer has consistently (historically anyway) been that there isn't really a better long-form public outreach platform at the moment. Blogs are close don't have the same opportunity for followup questions and definitely don't have the same "drive-by" effect of just seeing it on the front page.
If you ever want to check, just dona search and set the range of dates to end before the current outrage.
Before January, I couldn't find a single use of that phrase on the internet.
But it's not some dog whistle, it's blatantly obvious what they're saying. Don't let them get it twisted up so that the only bad things are verbatim what nazis said.
Same. I did find a recent substack that acknowledges that this phrase as a reprisal war crime was not verbatim used by Nazi Germany, it was just "in the spirit" of how the Nazis did their war crimes.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
Yeah, except that article is incorrect. The whole thing is made up. That isn't a Nazi slogan and never was.
You didn't read it.
One thing is clear: the phrase carries power, but its classification as a historic Nazi slogan is not supported by primary historical evidence.
It's what they did
Good message. I agree.
However, their message is still abhorrent
Yeah, mods should probably delete the OP post imo... Its pretty bad to allow something blatantly false to spread like this. Especially looking at the upvote ratio.
So many people in this post complaining that its misinformation because its not actually a quote because it wasnt spoken aloud or it doesnt actually come from the nazis. However. The Trump admin DID display this information WITH the intent to threaten the lives of all dissidents and almost certainly with the belief themselves that it comes from nazis, as they wholeheartedly stand on the side of nazis. This isnt misinformation, no matter how picky you want to be, and it is VERY relevant and important to share.
"This post which makes untrue claims isn't misinformation because it's heart is in the right place"
Behold: how conservatives became blindly accepting of any information as long as it fits their views
Do none of you know what this is referring to? Okay, class time. Gather round, because I'm going to give you all a quick history lesson.
Oh, and you should check this out on the side. It will help with the learning.
I don't know about whether there's a connection between that slogan and the nazis, but the incident the slogan is allegedly coined from is definitely real.
The SS officer who was killed is Reinhard Heydrich, a SS officer who was high enough to be part of Hitler's inner circle. Heydrich is understood to be one of the principal architects of the Holocaust.
The village who had its male population (except for the children) wiped out as revenge for Heydrich's death is Lidice, in the modern Czech Republic.
By the way, you all should watch the movie Anthropoid. It goes over a dramatized version of the events.
And those who did survive got sent to concentration camps. Absolutely despicable behavior
Well that was fucking haunting. Ghouls
Sigh. I miss when Rage Against The Machine wasn't political.
What are you going to tell me next, that Tom Morello has a degree in political science? He should just stick to playing the guitar.
I understood that reference. Still cracks me up. What machine did he think they were raging against?
It's that home office printer, am I right?
Fuck you, I won't fill your cyan cartridge.
Rally round the paper feed. With a pocket full of clips. Ugh.
Actually, valid and more accurate to my currently greatest source of rage against (technical) machines you could know. Of all the projects I have to deal with at the moment, the one related to printers is my greatest frustration. Fuck printers, fuck printer software, fuck people using printers and fuck antiquated bureaucracy requiring so much physical paperwork still.
Hey, people are investing a lot of time to make sure CUPS works to some degree for at least some of the printers out there.
The fax machine.
The... um... the... printer... that ran out of ink? Maybe the microwave that made the plate hot, but the food is still cold?
Found Paul Ryan's lurk account
Congrats, Amerikkka! You finally managed to achieve socialism! The National kind of Socialism!
EDIT: Apparently, the joke is not evident enough so I have to explain it so I'm not called a right-winger:
There is a double reference in the comment:
I wrote "Amerikkka" with 3 K for the KKK. (First part of the joke) to call them KKK members.
Then I used National Socialism (notice the capitalized words) instead of just socialism or national socialism (without capitalized words) to reference the name nazis gave themselves, to calll them nazis.
I hope this clears it up. As people are talking about "nuance" that I seem to be lacking.
that's not socialism
Look for National Socialism. See if it checks.
Edit: Funny the amount of downvoters. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
maybe try and read a dictionary bud? sorry they downvoted you, but socialism is good, that isn't socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Smh. And I quote:
Nazism (/ËnÉËtsiÉŞzÉm, ËnĂŚt-/ âNA(H)T-see-iz-Ém), formally named National Socialism (NS, German: Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsiĚŻoËnaËlzotsiĚŻaËlÉŞsmĘs] â),
So you don't actually know what socialism is. If you did, you'd be the last one saying the Nazis were using the name correctly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Smh. And I quote:
Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.
To misuse names as labels contradictory to substance is a hallmark of propaganda. I don't fall for it. Just because Nazis want people to think they're just crunchy on the outside while remaining warm and caring on the inside and pick a name they think will do that for outsiders doesn't actually mean shit.
Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.
Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.
Says the one who was unable to get a joke comment in which I'm calling them "national socialist" and not just socialists to call them nazis (since the nazis called themselves national socialists and not simply socialists).
You talk about nuance and can't see that I'm specifically calling them national socialists and not just socialsts.
Ffs, have you escaped from .ml? You look ridiculous in your defense of socialism when all I did was a joke about nazism.
Edit: You shouldn't talk about nuance when you didn't get the "nuance" on the first place. Notice the capitalized letters in the first comment and not just the name. Nuance is important, so by calling it National Socialism (mind the caps) and not national socialism (mind the caps again) I'm using not the general definition of the socialism but the name nazis gave to their movement (which was, as every name, capitalized). You didn't get the joke. And that's fine. But it's not on me.
You sounded like a rightwinger who unironically confuses nazis with actual socialists, and it didn't help that you started off defending what you said for two more comments rather than admitting you were joking and accepting that of course they're different.
You sounded like a rightwinger who unironically confuses nazis with actual socialists,
My original comment:
Congrats, Amerikkka! You finally managed to achieve socialism! The National kind of Socialism!
Notice the three K in america referencing the KKK? And how I specifically capitalized National and Socialism so it's not just "socialism" but the name the nazis decided to give to their movement by capitalizing both words?
Really? A right winger when I'm both calling Amerikkka nazis and reminding them of the KKK? Mate, you didn't get the joke and are blaming me for it.
I don't think you read what Poe's law says.
You sounded like a right winger in the sense that you said the same things right wingers said, not in the sense that I believe you are one.
And you talk to me about nuance?
No, I don't believe I did.
you didnât get the joke and are blaming me for it.
I think that in these terrible times, if your edgy humour that uses the same logic as right wing talking points from 2024 doesn't land, ranting at people for two comments that they don't understand that nazi means socialist without making it clear that you know that that was intentionally misleading, instead of making it clearer that it was a joke doesn't make you come across as a fun person, and is why people started explaining the difference to you.
For at least five hours after your first post (which I see you have now edited), you just disagreed angrily with people pointing out that nazis and socialists are different. Why would anyone believe this was an attempt at humour?
If you actually want to make people laugh, you need to lighten up a bit and be less defensive if it doesn't land. It's not my fault that your humour wasn't funny enough for people to get it, so maybe blame the audience less and make it clearer that you're attempting to satirise stupid magas rather than being one.
There is no "of course that's wrong and stupid, no one in their right mind would believe such a thing, so it's obviously a joke" with maga folk. Hence Poe's law.
I don't think you read what Poe's law says.
You sounded like a right winger in the sense that you said the same things right wingers said, not in the sense that I believe you are one.
I know what Poe's law is. I never heard a right-winger call themselves National Socialists. And if you've read any of my previous comments anywhere on lemmy, you'd see I'm far from a right winger.
No, I don't believe I did.
You are right, i confused you with the previous poster, I edited that part removing it.
I think that in these terrible times, if your edgy humour that uses the same logic as right wing talking points from 2024 doesn't land, ranting at people for two comments that they don't understand that nazi means socialist without making it clear that you know that that was intentionally misleading, instead of making it clearer that it was a joke doesn't make you come across as a fun person, and is why people started explaining the difference to you.
Ranting at people who don't know history and how the nazis called themselves National Socialists (I specificall, used those words and not just socialists)? Dude, if people are dumb is not my fault. Telling me to read a fucking dictionary when they haven't opened a history book? Really?
I'm sorry if you never opened a history book? Is that what I should say?
For at least five hours after your first post (which I see you have now edited), you just disagreed angrily with people pointing out that nazis and socialists are different. Why would anyone believe this was an attempt at humour?
I'm really flabbergastered that you are blaming me for people not having opened a history book (else they would know about National Socialism and not just socialism) in their lives. But I guess that's what I get for assuming people have read. I'm not gonna apologize for defending what was a nuanced joke that ignorants didn't get. That's not my fault.
If you actually want to make people laugh, you need to lighten up a bit and be less defensive if it doesn't land. It's not my fault that your humour wasn't funny enough for people to get it, so maybe blame the audience less and make it clearer that you're attempting to satirise stupid magas rather than being one.
My first reply is "look for national socialism". Not for socialism, but national socialism. First result on search engines for "national socialism" is fucking nazism. If someone is still thinking I'm attacking socialism, they are... dense. To say the least. And it's not on me.
That, or they are trying to not look dumb but putting it on me, which I don't accept either.
That was a good joke. Even without the KKK that joke should have been recognizable.
How can the desperation be resolved so that people on Lemmy don't assume the worst and comments can stay on topic?
I don't think it's desperation but closeted tankies. They heard the word socialism and their tankie-sense triggers. If there's something I despise as much as a MAGA, that's a tankie. Same shit, different color.
They're simply learning that they must post from outside .ml if they want to be seen.
I mean, look at them. They are attacking me for "offending" socialism when I never said the word without "National" before it. They just saw socialism and, as good tankies, they went berserker.
The other option might be even worse: they are dumb as a rock and never read a history book. Not unlikely either.
.ml pride themselves in reading theory. It's easy to disagree with them on a topic but they wouldn't make such a mistake.
I think it's the stress of the US environment. The government is blurring the lines of what is unthinkable. This 'all of yours' podium is real and people are rightfully in panic mode. Question is, how to snap out of it to have useful discussions?
I think that literally everyone who you ranted at are aware what nazi stood for, and that it is youth who lack awareness for not knowing that "nazi=socialist" was a right wing talking point, with exactly the reasoning you so angrily and repeatedly gave.
If you knew what poe's law was, why did you get so cross and defensive when I said you sounded like a right winger. If you knew that nazis aren't socialist, why did you get so cross and defensive mansplaining that socialist is in the title? If you were making a lighthearted joke, why are you so cross and defensive when people didn't see the humour? At every stage you're cross and defensive.
You claim to be joking, and claiming had people are dumb and poorly read for explaining that nazis aren't socialist, but the more you rant about not having read a history book, the more you seem to have missed the point that nazis really aren't socialist, when you repeatedly and angrily say "It's IN the nAme, StUpiD"
Tell me exactly where I mentioned socialism without the word "national" before it. I'll wait.
Again, it's not my fault if people are dumb and can't understand that National Socialism (capitalized again) is not the same as socialism.
Oh, and by the way, "it's in the name"? Well, duh? It IS in the name? That's why I kept saying NATIONAL SOCIALISM and not just socialism? Mate, really, it's kind of stupid to explain it, but have you ever heard of jokes? Puns, and the likes? How they play with language? How the nuance in them (that I seem to lack) is where they become funny?
Just admit that you didn't get the joke. It's fine, I wasn't expecting you to. But seriously? I should accept to be told to read a dictionary? Just... wow.
Pretending other people are dumb when your "joke" landed badly because it matches Republican taking points circa 2024 isn't convincing me that you have a sense of humour. You sound like you genuinely believe you're the only one in the world who ever noticed that the nazis misdescribed themselves as socialist.
If you didn't spend part of 2024 explaining to maga followers that nazis weren't socialist, you can be forgiven for not realising in advance that those of us who did found your "joke" neither original nor funny. You claim to understand Poe's law but are falling miserably to recognise its relevance to you.
You sound like you genuinely believe you're the only one in the world who ever noticed that the nazis misdescribed themselves as socialist.
Actually, they describe themselves as NATIONAL socialists. Which is, as I keep pointing, what I wrote. You still keep pushing this and I really don't understand it. You just want to be right about something dumb, which is that I said socialism is nazism. But you keep "forgetting" (so it fits your narrative) the word NATIONAL.
Just say it, you didn't get the joke.
Instead, you keep beating a dead horse.
If you didn't spend part of 2024 explaining to maga followers that nazis weren't socialist, you can be forgiven for not realising in advance that those of us who did found your "joke" neither original nor funny. You claim to understand Poe's law but are falling miserably to recognise its relevance to you.
For the uptenth time: the joke was calling them National Socialists because anyone who has ever read a history book knows that, specifically, National Socialism (and not just socialism, without the "national") is what nazism called itself.
You just didn't get the joke, and at this point, I'm starting to think you are just a tankie offended because someone dared to use the word "socialism" in a way you don't like.
It doesn't really matter what I say, you don't read it for meaning, you just shout some more of the same; attempting to communicate with you is like raking water uphill.
What does Poe's law say? How would you put it into your own words?
How the fuck do you not see that you are the problem here? This was a very obvious joke about how Nazis named themselves National Socialists. How have you turned this into an argument? What the actual fuck is wrong with people on this website.
How the fuck do you not see that you are the problem here? This was a very obvious joke about how Nazis named themselves National Socialists. How have you turned this into an argument? What the actual fuck is wrong with people on this website.
I can call a party "the cumfarts and beer union" and have nothing to do with either, proofs in the pudding, so to speak.
Nazis called themselves national socialists.
The magas are now openly nazist.
If you call the magas national socialists (and not simply socialists) you are calling them nazis.
The joke is way less funny when you have to explain it.
Yeah, this is the breaking point đ
Itâs wild what theyâll put up with until you realize that theyâre simply trying to pretend like itâs only the start so they donât need to actually do anything about it yet.
They could be personally being stabbed and theyâll still say âohhhh boy when it gets REAL bad Iâm gunna be so cool and badass about thisâ.
Be careful, might be a few more breaking points flying over soon. đ
The Trump administration is quoting Nazis, why am I not surprised?
Y'all remember when Trump supporters danced to Rage Against the Machine? https://youtu.be/ddrFt1BHkUQ
Of course they did, they're all dumb
Most Americans are seriously dumb. The illiteracy level is insane for a western developed country, especially the riches country in the world. It could ensure all its citizens are well educated but we'll educated citizens won't vote for fascists, they won't listen to the transparent bullshit lies of fox news and co, they won't vote Republican because fuuuuck that shit.
Republicans have worked pretty much since WWII, especially starting with Reagan, to ensure the US citizens are as dumb as possible, it keeps them in power.
So Magas dancing to killing in the name of is pretty normal for them, as they have no idea what they're doing, no idea what the song is about, no idea what RATM is about.
I'd feel sad for them if they weren't so dangerous to themselves, to everyone in the US, and everyone in the world. I honestly have no idea how to solve this part, after trump and Maga is gone. How do you deprogram millions of brainwashed idiots that barely finished highschool?
Easier than you think. Just thrive. Be an example.
Oh. There's a difficult bit as well... You have to get rid of any sociopaths that start talking to them or it'll all happen again.
The phrase "One of ours, all of yours" was displayed on a podium during a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) briefing attended by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. While images of the podium with the slogan circulated widely on social media, Kristi Noem herself did not say the phrase aloud 12.
The slogan has been linked to Nazi Germany, specifically as a reprisal for the killing of an SS officer 45. Musician Tom Morello alleged that the "Trump admin quoted (verbatim) the slogan" 25. However, other reports indicate that Noem defended ICE agents, stating they acted in self-defense and that "criminal, illegal aliens" would be arrested while American citizens would be protected 1. Some sources suggest that the phrase has not been found in historical texts related to 20th-century history 3.
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Still. She allowed the quote to be displayed while she was making a statement.
Her sentiment is clear.
Well this is disingenuous as fuck.
"She didn't say nazi shit, she just wore a swastika on her arm. Get your facts straight!"
To be fair, I'm sure she definitely also said some Nazi shit... Just not verbatim
If you stand behind a podium and give a speech, that podium is part of it. Whether or not her mouth made those sounds, she fucking said it.
Besides, he didn't even say Noem specifically quoted it, he said the admin quoted it. That podium was decorated by the admin...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending liars and a$$holes. But it's not useful to misquote without sources.
The short version is, while the meaning/intent is fascist as hell. The attribution of the phrase is "highly unlikely".
It's not and it's a matter of time before either the second civil war or third world war happens.
The women were sent to concentration camps and most of the kids were gassed. This is literally what they mean when they say âmake America great againâ
Don't call me overdramatic. Holocaust 2.0 is coming.
However, we found no evidence confirming that the phrase originated verbatim in Nazi Germany, as social media posts suggested. The origin of the phrase was unclear, but it did not appear to have been used by the Trump administration or other presidential administrations before appearing on the lectern. Online searches for the origin of the phrase returned only results for more social media posts claiming it had roots in the Nazi regime, without providing further evidence. Searches of newspaper archives also found no instances of the Trump administration or other governments using the specific phrase.
Mindlessly spreading without fact-checking, bad look.
All the shit they say about their opponents, and I'm supposed to be concerned about the accuracy of a them making a perfectly plausible statement?
I don't fucking care, spread the story.
If it looks and acts like a duck it's a duck. Nazi getting called out for being a nazi and you're worried about the origin of the phrase.
I canât find any evidence of this being an actual Nazi slogan. Searching for the phrase and filtering by results before this week turns up pretty much nothing.
(Advocating for collective punishment is obviously unacceptable either way)
I donât know how to link directly to the Instagram message from this frontend
The field URL in the form to create posts.
All of yours first, then.
We need socialism
Pleas guys, learn from the Brigate Rosse. Put him in a f*cking trunk (use a chrysler pt cruiser for the occasion please) and goodnight.
Since this has been identified as misinformation by many people in the thread, please delete this post or update the title to reflect that.
Edit: I am extremely confused about the downvotes, would love to discuss the reasoning for it with someone.
Not misleading or false, and doesn't say anywhere that it was said aloud but quoted. Making those words on your podium counts as quoting.
What's misleading is that the phrase was never used by Nazis, but the content of the post says it is. That's both false and misleading
It's not misleading. The Nazis definitely did this shit.
Where does it mention the "one of ours, all of yours" quote?
Hello? Republican policy matches Nazi mass retaliation policy and you're splitting hairs over whether they used this exact form of words? On what planet is that the important part?
For people trying to decide whether to leave the country in the next 6-8 months, vs. Drop everything and evacuate now even if it means leaving a lot of stuff behind, there is a big difference between the administration directly quoting Nazi slogans vs inventing their own slogans that suggest the same behaviour but not actually yet acting on it.
Also, no matter what, it's not a Nazi slogan. That means that calling it a Nazi slogan IS objectively false. That's not splitting hairs, that's pointing out that the post is literally spreading a lie. In these times it is very important to preserve the truth, since it's so hard to find reliable info. Blurring the lines between truth and falsehood is how the administration puts people in a state of paralysis where they aren't sure what the correct reaction to things is.
It is always important not to spread objectively false information.
but not actually yet acting on it.
I hope you're right and I'm wrong, but deporting people for not being white is already happening, extrajudicial execution is already happening, disregulated millitias with no accountability is already happening, retaliation on the scale of cities and States for not supporting the leader is already happening, armed removal of foreign leaders for nakedly political reasons is already happening, threatening to invade neighbouring countries is already happening, and here you are telling me it's all fine because at least they haven't copied the Nazis by killing off a whole village yet, they've just written their message of annihilation on a podium?
You are absolutely splitting hairs while citizens are openly abducted and killed in the streets. Again, have some sense of perspective! For you it hinges on the wording?!?!?
The wording is not just wording. Directly quoting a Nazi slogan would be an unambiguous endorsement of the Nazis. So far the administration behaves in ways that are like the Nazis, but they do not open fly swastika flags, etc.
So to say that I'm splitting hairs about wording, to me, feels the same as if an article said "Trump flies Nazi flag" and the flag is the thin blue line flag. Yes, you can make a good argument that the thin blue flag stands for the same thing as the Nazi's flag, but surely, however alarming it would be for him to fly a thin blue line flag, it should be more alarming for him to fly the literal Nazi flag. It feels as though you're saying something like "you're just splitting hairs over the colors and shapes on the flag, the meaning is the same". But clearly the meaning is not quite the same - the colors and shapes on the flag DO have additional meaning that changes the urgency of the situation. The actions of the administration are horrible, the phrase on the podium is horrible, but I think there is still a substantial difference in what constitutes a reasonable response to it that depends on whether it is an actual Nazi quote or not. And in my hypothetical situation, a headline like "Trump flies Nazi flag" would be a blatant falsehood and misinformation, regardless of the underlying symbolic content of the flag he flew.
Thank you for being polite and not calling me a bot or whatever else. It's valuable to talk with level headed people to adjust my ongoing measure of the risk of staying here and the urgency of leaving.
Thank you for being polite and not calling me a bot or whatever else
You're very welcome, but when I read this comment, I had a rueful chuckle because I worry that I'd been rather too argumentative to count as in any way polite, so sorry about that, and I'll try harder to live up to your charitable interpretation rather than destroy it.
I'm not convinced that it's better in any significant way to have invented your own horrific policy slogan (that mirrors real nazi actions) than to have used a literal translation of a prewritten nazi one, but I decided before logging on that I was going to stop arguing with you on that point, so I should already have shut up and dropped it. Here's the parting compromise: you're right, it's not a literal nazi slogan, it's a newer maga slogan that just looks a lot like past nazi actions.
So far the administration behaves in ways that are like the Nazis, but they do not openly fly swastika flags, etc.
Many of their followers now do. I don't really understand why explicitly and openly nazi is such an important distinction for you.
The post says âtoday the Trump admin quoted the Nazi mass murder sloganâ. The Trump admin did not quote a Nazi mass murder slogan. So, itâs misinformation.
They quoted a nazi mass murder policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidice_massacre
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
They did, yes. So if the post had said âTrump marketing reminiscent of Nazi mass murder policyâ, it would have been correct.
But it doesnât - it used the word âsloganâ, which implies it was a self-descriptor. The Nazis never used that phrase in reference to themselves, so the post is misleading.
From the substack you linked:
Historians note that while the exact wording âOne of ours, all of yoursâ was not a verbatim Nazi slogan, it encapsulates a Nazi ethos[3]
Again, I fully agree that that the phrase encapsulates Nazi policy quite well, Iâm just disputing that itâs a âNazi sloganâ.
And you're wasting your time and effort spring hairs while ice murders citizens in the street. Of was nazi policy. Now it's republican policy. Get some perspective, for goodness' sake!
If you click on the post image, it should take you to a permalink.
You're my hero. Thank you!
This was not a Nazi slogan.
They are despicable enough without having to lie about it.
It was a nazi modus operandi. You're splitting hairs in the face of enormity.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
So we just have to get all of them first
Which village?
Lidice, Czech Republic, I think.
Not one person left MAGA. Half the country are just that deplorable
If there are any MAGA left after thisâŚ
Crickets from MAGA
God damn, I am going to use this phrase in my next Stellaris multiplayer match
Oh, look! They are running for their lives. MAGA is done!
No more nazis, no more wars, no more genocides! All thanks to the brave instagram warriors. You did it again Americans! The rest of the world is proud of you!
You are so brave.