Here are a few suggestions.
Go to the place at around 10 pm on a Saturday night. Most places are quiet during the day; you get an idea of what the area is like after dark.
Bring a phone charger and test every outlet. Check every faucet and see if the water gets hot.
Step into the shower or lay down in the tub.
Be sure you can bring in the furniture you already have. Some places have weird, narrow passages.
Make sure that there's a grocery in walking distance.
edit = I forgot something. A lot of places these days are illegal conversions; houses designed for one family that now have several apartments.
If you place is a walkup, make sure that you can get out in case of a fire.
Make sure that there’s a grocery in walking distance.
laughs in american 😅
In the US, make sure there's a well stocked grocery store that sells fresh fruits and veggies in close car distance.
There are places where even that isn't possible
Where do you live where there's a lot of action on a Saturday night and no food stores nearby?
a sleepy town in orange county, california. There's no action, one has to drive to get some activity. But the schools are really good and the environment is very safe, and it's within driving distance of 2 major job hubs (LA and Irvine).
I live in Philly and schools were so "ghetto" :(
I got builled so much, so much Sinophobia for some reason...
I think the elementary and middle school were like 2/10 and the highschool was like 3/10
ugh
so... damn... miserable...
no idea how I survived that...
Oh wait I didn't really survived that, I got battle scars
some dipshit decided to fight me and I got arrested
Thank god¹ I have citizenship to shield me from potential deportation issues
¹okay well not god lol, just a figure of speech, thanks mom for having citizenship so I automatically got it as a minor
I have a Chinese restaurant and bakery within like... 10-20 minute walking distance
A sort of mall area and a bunch of stores withing 15-25 minute walking distance
My mother got robbed once while carrying like red-envelopes worth of like $500 after Chinese news years... so yea there was that...
Feels kinda like wild west lol 👀
Chaotic af
I hear a bunch of "fireworks" in the middle of the night...
Yea I'll just pretend its fireworks, definitely not some dude that drove out of kensington and started doing a drive-by. 'Murica, baby!
Jesus christ, I have to move to a good neighborhood before ever having kids, cuz this shit is torture lol
I hated my mom for moving us to Philly. WTF
Brooklyn was FINE. WHYYY?!? School was 8/10 now dropped to ass 2/10
So much trauma... thanks mom
(Cuz NYC rent was so expensive and it kept rising like there was a $100 rise in rent by the time we were about to leave)
So yea... now in Philly, my parents own this house now... cuz housing is cheaper here, NYC, even Brooklyn was so expensive and impossibl to buy... so here, no rent to pay... but at what cost?
Well now I know what the back of the police car and the inside of a detention cell look like
yay
Fucking Sinophobes everywhere jesus christ
Did this series end?
???
I mean I finish K-12 by now if that's what you mean
But I'm still in Philly 🤷♂️
Sounded like you were rewording The Fresh Prince of Bel Aire song lmao.
What lmao? no idea wtf that is but this is my actual life story
I mean I know sounds like a movie plot but like sadly this is irl
I feel like my life is scripted
Random "exciting" events randomly happen to make this "plot" interesting
Like oh hey you moved to America? Guess what? Trump 2.0 😭 (wtf, universe)
Also Covid made me so afraid of germs and "contamination"
I'm just rambling all the time
So it probably sounds so giberish
Like... when I comment, I just type words as if I'm talking to someone irl so I have a bunch half-sentences, cuz thats how I talk irl
😂 lol
I wasn't born here tho
One thing about the electricity check, get an outlet tester with a ground indicator and use that, some places don’t have grounded plugs, your UPS and some power bars might tell you this info as well, would be a tad late at that point though.
Also look for burn marks on the sockets while you’re testing, improperly set up outlets also sometimes spark a bit when things are plugged into them.
New York City here.
Made me realize that the civil servants/power companies in my area actually do their job.
I don't think I've ever seen an apartment where there were burn marks around the outlets, and I've been in some sketchy places
Eh I don't know how often that is the case, depends on the building :P
At one point the roommates and I were living in a house in Williamsburg with the owner living upstairs above us. The owner bought the house a few years prior, apparently the original owner did all the electrical work himself. You could tell everything was wonky, most of the outlets weren't grounded, many outlets were installed upside down, two bedrooms along with the kitchen and bathroom were on the same circuit so half the apartment would lose electricity whenever someone ran a hair dryer in one room along with the toaster in the kitchen. The building's circuit breakers were downstairs in someone else's basement apartment so we got to know our downstairs neighbor pretty well, haha.
I used to wonder how that house passed inspection or if NYC even does those type of inspections. Eventually the owner re-sold the house and we had to move so that was that. But I get the feeling there are tons of old houses in Brooklyn/Queens like that.
I never said I'd been in every apartment, just that I personally had never seen anything like that.
Yeah, you get a lot of illegal conversions these days. In fact I lived in one for about six months until the other tenants in the building called the City. They did a good job with the utilities, but they said that there was no way out of my apartment if there was a fire.
An outlet tester is the best $10 you can spend for a little peace of mind
a grocery in walking distance.
Sounds like communism to me. >:(
NO SOUP GROCERIES FOR YOU
All my homies hate communists and their groceries.
I pay attention to the condition/cleanliness of the hallways and stairs in the building. If the owner can't be bothered to maintain any of that then you already know the apartment itself is going to be a mess as soon as something goes wrong.
A bit harder to judge but if it looks like other tenants/random people make a habit of hanging out in the hallways/stairwells then that's a massive red flag. One time I went to see an apartment and a guy inside the building on one of the stair landings was chilling out smoking a massive cigar next to the window.. I knew right away that building is always going to have cigar smoke.
This one might sound silly but I have a habit of testing the water in the bathroom and kitchen. That tells me what the water pressure is like as well has how well the hot water is working.
Maybe a bit nit picky but I usually bring a tape measure and do some quick room measurements to figure out if furniture is going to fit & whatnot.
Oh and like the other comment said it definitely helps if you know what the area and the building surroundings are like at night.
Gonna have to disagree on your second point. Stairs landings etc. are public places and if you live there you have every right to hang out wherever you please so long as its not impeding foot traffic. The thought that people existing outside their homes and apartments being a red flag is ridiculous and encourages people not to know their neighbors and community.
To each their own.
Some folks like a place where people keep to themselves.
You can both exist in public and keep to yourself! I know its a horrible thing, but sometimes you have to see and exist near others in public.
I managed buildings. There is no scenario anywhere where anybody would be allowed to linger in a common area
The fuck is the point of a "Common Area" if I can't exist there in the building I pay to live it? You sound like an overbearing manager.
Welcome to the block list, child
The no-bite management is so true. At first "cool they're chill", but when our baby's bedroom was getting smoked with weed coming from the downstairs through the a/c vent every single day and the neighbor downstairs ignored my requests to smoke on the balcony rather than in the room below my baby, all I got from management was "so what? I smoke too".
Shoddy or delayed repairs.
Before you rent, open all the cupboards and drawers, look for tell tale signs of pests. Feces or dead bodies, hairs.
The longer the list of what you're responsible for the less likely you'll get your security deposit back.
Not letting you take pictures while inspecting an apartment.
Check all the drains and faucets, flush the toilet. Make sure there's good water pressure and drains are cleared.
Don't let them bait and switch you with an apartment.They might show you an apartment that's in really good shape and act like that's the one you're gonna get, and then they give you a different one that is not in good shape, so make sure that the apartment you're looking at is the exact apartment that you'll be getting.
Also, don't skip this one, talk to the neighbors. I know it's awkward and you're not going to want to do it, but it's really the best way to get information. They will tell you how things actually are.
Fully illegal in EU
It’s true, you absolutely are dissuaded from talking to your neihhbors here.
if at all possible, check to see how old the buildings/property is. My dad noticed that my first apartment was from at least the 1960s or 1970s because of how high the light switches were (it was before regulations that required those to be handicap accessable). Also when I started putting furniture in, I put a shelf against one wall near a hallway and the wall was slanting inward, which I wouldn't have noticed if not for the shelf
I had a place once so crooked all our ice cubes in the trays were slanted. This was the third (and top) story too. Floor just sort of rolled off to the northwest
If you see any empty beer bottles on nearby doorsteps, know you're not gonna get any sleep on the weekend if you move in.
If you live in a place with proper winter, look at how well the sidewalks around the property are maintained after snow or a bad freeze thaw cycle or the like. It's a good indication if property management is on top of their shit or if problems will just be ignored until the city gets involved.
Do you really want your landlord to play judge, jury and executioner?
That can easily backfire against you
That's fucked up. They can't do that here. Landlords can only evict you for a short list of valid reasons. And even then there's a 3 month notice period.
But no matter what system you live in, there will always be better and worse landlords. And apparently OP prefers landlords who do make a habit of evicting people.
In my jurisdiction, the enforcement of quiet enjoyment laws are pretty much only used for 'LL is harassing me'
While the law requires LL to prevent others from preventing QE, a suit against a landlord for failing to protect QE is going to come down to 'were the police called and document disruption in a report, and did they handle it?' If no, theres no proof, or it was deemed not a problem (and therefore not interfering with QE) and if they did intervene, theres no more disruption, so problem was solved and no QE claim to be made.
On the other hand, a landlord trying to enforce QE on their own, risks the problem tenant calling the police on LL, alleging LL interfered with their QE, and when police show, first question is going to be why the alleged infraction the LL showed up about wasnt called in, and is going to be dismissed as alleged, with only the LL's interference as documentaries.
Back in our 20s one of my friend was a little shit. Lived in a split lot with his LL. Almost every night, hed play music loud, LL would bang on door, hed tell him to fuck off, and LL would threaten to call the cops. Hed wait 10 mins, turn the music down for 30, then back up of the police didnt show. If they did, theyd talk to an angry LL, then come to the door and hed be pleasant and invite them in, where theyd hear perfectly normal levels of music, and agree with him he was within his rights to enjoy music at that volume. Police report would document noise complaint as unsubstantiated, and LL as having showed up at his house and then called the cops over nothing, both invasions to his QE
After a month, LL got labeled a nuisance caller by the PD. At one point, he came to the door, knocked and friend just didnt answer. Landlord started snooping around, looking in windows with his cell camera, and friend videotaped him doing so, and called the cops on the LL.
Landlord got arrested, and friend was presented with temp restraining order paperwork, over 'dozens of documented harrasments.' When landlord was being released, he was asked if he had anywhere to stay that wasnt on that property, and it turned out he had a vacant unit across town, that he was advised to stay in pending the hearing. (Idk if they would have held him the extra day or so before the prelim hearing or what)
The prelim hearing was the next day with just my friend in court, (tro is granted provisionally or not, depending on claimants evidence, then a hearing is scheduled in 30 days where both sides gets to present their case. The dozens of lopsided police reports were plenty, and he was awarded the provisional RO, and the LL advised to stay where he was already staying until it was worked out.
When it came to tbe actual hearing, both sides' stories were dismissed as anecdotal with the police reports still being the only thing counted. Judge upheld the RO. LL tried to claim the house adjacent to my friends was his residence, and the judge basically said 'youve been living in the house across town for 30 days so im not granting that exception to the RO. The order was set to last the 3.5 years left on the lease, LL was advised to hire an agent to conduct all buisness on those 2 properties, and friend ended up getting awarded 6months of rent for the QE violations.
is a police report
If they're in contravention of city by-laws, then that's what's needed. Ofc they might be saying that just to scare you or whatever, but having an actual police report about the issue really lights a fire under their ass. I did this with one neighbour that would always start blasting music at 2am, like it was his own personal nightclub. It took months, multiple phone calls, and visits from the police but when I finally filed that police report they were evicted a couple months later. Don't be shy about calling the police to deal with those issues (unless you're American) as that's one of the services they provide (unless you're American).
One tip I can give is see how many people have ac units in their windows. If there's a lot, then the building doesn't have good insulation. Which is an issue one can deal with (using window mounted ac units), but the rent should match that.
One red flag is when your landlord lives in the same building or on the same property. That is never a good sign.
I once rented a room where the landlord lived in the house next to the appartement. He (and especially his wife) was very nosy; during summer they did lawn work and tried to eavesdrop at any opportunity (although I always was offered fresh home-grown vegetables, so at least I saved money on that). The landlord had the switch for our heating inside his own house. During winter I and the other roommates had to go over to him and demand that the switches the heating on again.
IDK, it worked out well for me. I lived in a duplex for about 3 years where the landlord lived upstairs. He took pride in keeping up his properties really well. Super responsive for any issues. I remember texting him about the heat one time, he was at my door to look at it in under 10 minutes.
It turned out to be a pretty simple thing - he bled the radiators and added some water to bring the boiler pressure up - but still. 10 minutes on a Sunday morning!
When you have seen the apartment e.g. during daytime during a weekday, have a look at the area in the evenings and on weekends.
There was a story in the news where someone had rented a flat close to the city center, only to learn that two roads over is a amusement mile of national renown. Which was rather quiet during the visit, but lout and filled with drunkards and criminals every evening and weekend.
Pets - From experience, people are AWFUL with their pets. Mostly dogs, I've never seen anything go wrong with cats, unless the owners don't care enough to let them run around until they're kidnapped or ran over. But dogs, they just let them go and go with the barking. Not to mention the dog shit on the ground they refuse to pick up.
What a complicated way to say that you dislike dogs/pets.
Not OP.
I love dogs, but I hate most dog owners. Especially the ones irresponsible enough to have dogs in a city and to neglect raising them in a way that keeps them from being a nuisance. They fail to fulfill the most basic duties to the detriment of their neighbors.
That's not hating dog owners but pet owners in general and especially just disliking irresponsible humans.
For example (IMO) having a cat only in the flat/house is not a good place as well. Dogs need movement, thus cats need as well.
And I don't mean it in a "let the cat outside to wreck the bird population for today" kind of way
Yes, I agree with all of that.
Don't rent apartments with cardboard walls.
If something seems too good to be true, it probably is. I was shopping for a 1br apartment, and I found a listing in a good neighborhood. I was suspicious before I even saw the place because I knew the neighborhood was all duplexes with 3 bedrooms. Normally a duplex in that neighborhood was $1800 - $2100. I went to see it and sure enough it's a duplex where each unit was 3br apartment that has been converted into 3, one-bedroom apartments. They were asking $800 for a 1BR you couldn't event fit a twin bed into the bedroom. I spent 5 minutes looking around and told them no thanks straight away. They called me back 1 month later asking if I would consider for $600 a month. I was like I wouldn't live there if you paid me.
As a renter you should never rent to drug addicts if you want your shit to not get stolen.
If you use electric heaters and have gas, your a fucking idiot costing everyone money.
Don't be rude dude. But you're correct. Not using your payed for part of the gas just shifts your neighbors gas cost in part to you. Using electric heating costs you the power in top.
Don't you have electricity meters?
It sounds like its multiple apartments share utilities.
But electric heat is extremely expensive compared to gas, just about everywhere. So while they are bitching about gas, they are actually costing the others by using space heaters.
Without shared utilities, the others wouldn't be impacted. So I'd say that's the issue, not the space heaters.
Also, if you heat with electricity, at least some of that power is from renewables, depending on your contract potentially all of it.
And while normal space heaters are "only" 100% efficient, heat pumps can be several times as efficient*. That makes them even cheaper than gas.
And I thought split AC was pretty much the norm in the US. Modern split AC units can usually be run in heating mode as well.
*) Exact numbers depend on the temperature difference to the outside unit.
Problem is heat pumps don't seem to be very widespread, so this is more theoretical point, imo
Every AC unit is a heat pump. They are pretty widespread. You just need one that can run backwards. But that's also rather common.
No, AC that can run backward is much less widespread, because it's more expensive
....What?
Im wildly curious what year you are typing from. Or where in the world a flat going for $700 - let alone $250 - exists. I can’t even picture this. Genuinely curious.
If you can, talk to the previous tenant. They might be moving out because of problems with the apartment. Whether that's an annoying neighbor or a mold problem, you probably don't want that either.
Any broken glass in parking areas, no age diversity, dirty smelly unlit damaged hallways at all, smell of smoking in the buildings at all, not up to fire code in any way, the free parking around the area is totally full at any time of day, decorations of decks or windows banned, they don't start off with you previewing THE EXACT unit you'll be renting, they ever walk you through what seems to be a preview unit.
The only reason there's a shortage of spaces in the first place is predatory design.
An apartment I used to live in was newly built, and each building had big gated underground parking, as well as a very few small outdoor parking lots. It was really clear that the underground parking was supposed to be tenant parking and the parking lots were for visitors. Yet, they were charging for the underground parking, and that outdoor parking lot was 100% full 99.99% of the time.
And now, apartment complexes are being built that don't have that outdoor parking, and only have the underground parking, and the management wants to sell the underground parking as extra, rather than just letting people use the parking meant for them, and so all the street parking is taken up.
I had a friend in that more recent design, and it was in a residential neighborhood. So you have a bunch of apartment tenants parking all along the streets by a bunch of houses. It was awful... For everybody involved.
But the landlord has to make enough money to do fuckall and buy another yacht somehow.
If you're there when the mail is being delivered, talk to the mail person. They're there every day and can have some good insights you won't find anywhere else. For instance, once when I did this he told me he gets a lot of mail forwarding notices, and more often than not the boxes are staying empty after that. I didn't know why that place had a lot of people leaving, but it was enough to make me keep looking.
The fact that it’s an apartment.
It's also possible to rent a house or own an apartment. Most of those advantages and disadvantages are about the form of ownership.
Apartment hopping is another issue legislation could fix. Here in Germany, it's really difficult for a landlord to throw out a tenant. You can only do so for a very short list of acceptable reasons, and even with such a reason, it can take easily half a year, if the tenant refuses. 3 months to cancel the contract, and another couple of months to get court approval to have the police throw them out.
You can still do apartment-hopping, if you want to move around a lot. But you won't be forced to.
Apartments are great:
- They have less outer walls to heat or cool.
- They enable densities that allow you to run errands by foot.
- They enable densities that allow you to access a wider range of services.
- The costs for things like groundskeeping get really cheap once divided onto all apartments.
- They are more affordable.
And if the walls are built well, you have just as much privacy as you would have in a single family house.
Find out if any of the neighbours smoke and if the smoke gets into your appartment as well.
Not sure what makes sense to ask but my personal experience:
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I would wanna ask if they recently had any work done to their plumbing for the building. I moved to a new place once but the building was older and just my luck as I had taken up a job that was WFH--surely enough, while I was at home, they had to turn off the water randomly (for hours) throughout a given week and this happened like every other month. They would only give notice via some random paper they slipped through unit front door but otherwise, I had no other way of knowing when this would happen.
Second thing to maybe ask is if they plan to do any kind of work on the parking lot (assuming the building has an actual lot). For me, I didn't think to ask this but about 3 months in, the building ended up having work done in the parking lot to redo pavement and redraw parking spaces. They forced every tenant to move their car from the lot and as a backup measure, let us use a nearby parking lot that was actually for a restaurant. As you can imagine, this was not a good idea. I was sort of lucky because being WFH meant I could move my car when everybody else was at work but in hindsight, the temporary space they were offering was not enough for the amount of tenants and cars.
You may be in a bit of a rivalry with a neighbor who likes slamming things or having loud music, obviously breaking lease agreement, who makes you wonder why they've gotten away with it as long as they have. You record, you report but management does next to nothing. They tell you to your face that the only way they can move forward, is a police report.
This seems to be a common misperception. Results vary based on jurisdiction, but in most places Landlords CAN'T evict anyone for noise. Doesn't matter what's in the lease. Eviction is serious and devastating, and not something to be pursued over noise. Even with police complaints (they don't care) they still can't evict unless especially egregious.
Also, noise is a part of life. People have kids and they play. People watch movies on TV. People drop dishes and heavy doors without shocks slam and dogs bark. It's part of life. Most appartment building aren't built with sound management in mind making normal everyday sounds a nuisance. To live in an appartment is to have noise of a community. For every bad tennant making noise, there is one curmudgeon filing complaints at butterfly farts.
The solutions:
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Respectful discussion. Calmly let the person know what you are hearing and how it is impacting you and a polite suggestion of what can be done to mittigate this.
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Headphones, earplugs, white noise generators.
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Move to a more suitable place, such as a sound managed appartment or a detached home in the countryside.
Its like you didn't read anything I said.
That's cool, because you willfully misinterpreted OP to start with.
The obvious implication with what they're saying is people doing it egregiously.
"Someone who likes slamming things" doesn't usually mean people just using their shit reasonably, it's also not "literally all my neighbors slam things all the time and I have no concept that the cabinets just might be shit in every unit".
It's talking about an outlier.
There's more room to interpret "or who plays loud music" as maybe referring to someone doing a one off thing, but that's borderline taking OP in bad faith.
There are absolutely people who rant about gnat farts, but if you've encountered any significant amount, I'd suggest you're probably a lot louder than you think you're being.
"People who like slamming things" from OP is bad faith. Look, rage all you want. The simple fact is no one will evict over noise unless egregious. If it was egregious you'd have multiple complaints from all tennants and to police or city bylaw officers who would issue fines first.
Asking cops to police noise is bs. Asking landlords to evict over noise is bs. An old man yelling at clouds.
Rage? I'm not upset. You seem to be really invested in this though. I was being somewhat flippant in my last comment about the problem likely being you if you've somehow been the target of multiple noise complaints or if you've somehow known multiple people who would want someone evicted for a basic noise compaint, but this really is coming across as something personal for you.
The only person who mentioned eviction is you. And OP clearly isn't calling the cops on their neighbors, otherwise the landlord saying they needed a police report wouldn't be anywhere as much of a problem.
If a polite conversation doesn't work, and a not so polite conversation doesn't work, and the landlord stepping in doesn't work, then we're all adults and can just be increasingly passive agressive.
Transparent troll is transparent, a troll and unsuccessful.
Lol, wow. You just keep going deeper.
I'm teasing you a little about the clear chip on your shoulder, but I'm completely serious about the fact that you are broadcasting that chip loudly and that it's a you problem.
You immediately jumping to the conclusion that anyone ever making a complaint about noisy neghbors is in the wrong is ridiculous. Then your further insistence that anyone complaining about it that wants something done has to be calling for eviction or arrest is even more ridiculous.
Most people just want to be able to be in their house without hearing a domestic dispute through the walls, or without being able to make out exactly what songs their neighbor is listening to for multiple hours every day. The goal is to get that to stop, or at least lessen. The solution to achieve that is "whatever it takes, starting with the reasonable options".
If, after multiple polite conversations, and maybe even some not so polite ones, the neighbor continues or escalates? The loud neighbor has then chosen the severity of the solution by denying the reasonable ones. If you've had a neighbor talk to you about your noise repeatedly, then you were the problem, not them.
You can get a sheet of pads to make cabinets and doors more quiet for like $5. You can wear headphones for your music.
Personally, like I said in my last comment, I wouldn't escalate past talking to them and the landlord. Historically I've lived in complexes large enough that a noisy person could be moved to another unit if the landlord had recieved a ton of complaints, which would be my hope from the landlord at the absolute most absurd extreme. If nothing changed, I'd live with it and curse about it a lot. Probably bang on the wall on egregious occasions. Maybe blast something worse back right up against the wall rarely.
People have kids and they play.
Lol I used to be those kids.
I kinda run around and be very loud with my older brother at home then my mom told me that the landlord was gonna evict us if we keep making noise so I got so scared lol
DO NOT have pets in a rented home, do not decorate, do not buy expensive furniture and fixtures in a rented home. It's a RENTED HOME!!!!
People need to understand they must NOT become attached to their rented homes. Treat it as just a TEMPORARY roof over your head & live a frugal life. Remember: You cannot afford to live in that house in a way you can live in your own home.
My friend, a lot of people have no choice but to rent. Many will never own a home because the landlord has the tenant paying off their third mortgage.
You’re talking like these people are privileged to be allowed to step foot in a rental property.
its sad, but its still true, other than it being temporary. its still not safe to think as your home about places that only tolerate you until you can satisfy the lord.
How dare poor people like or enjoy anything!
No, the peasants must only live in beige boxes, no nice things allowed.