MTG defends protester shot by DHS and says people need to lose their ‘blinders’: ‘You are all being incited into civil war’
4mon 23d ago by lemmy.world/u/MicroWave in politics from www.independent.co.uk
‘Legally carrying a firearm is not the same as brandishing a firearm,’ the former Georgia congresswoman wrote
Marjorie Taylor Greene has urged fellow MAGA supporters – and other Americans – to “take off their political blinders” over the death of protester Alex Pretti in Minneapolis, warning that they are being “incited into civil war.”
“I unapologetically believe in border security and deporting criminal illegal aliens and I support law enforcement,” Greene wrote on X Sunday, the day after the fatal shooting. “However, I also unapologetically support the 2nd amendment.
“Legally carrying a firearm is not the same as brandishing a firearm.”
Despite video showing that 37-year-old Pretti was filming federal officers but did not have a weapon drawn, the Trump administration has claimed he had tried to assassinate agents in an act of “domestic terrorism.”
this the same idiot who was calling for a 'national divorce' every other week? as if that wasn't just a euphemism for civil war
I actually agree with her on that. But yeah she says all sorts of other stupid hateful shit.
But whatever we need as many cracks in the MAGA cult logic as we can get. And they sure as hell won't listen to me.
My guess is she is a survivor of child sexual assault and the Epstein files broken her anti-empathy.
This time September 15-16, 2025: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-divorce-leftists-charlie-kirk-b2827075.html
or are you thinking of another time.?
National divorse is in no way a euphemism for civil war. There's literally a constitutional way of states removing themselves from the Federal Government, that's what national divorse means.
What is the constitutional way of states removing themselves from the federal government?
A convention of states to amend the constitution; explicitly saying that specific state is no longer apart of the U.S., or inserting another legal route of succession into the constitution.
Much easier, and at the same time much more difficult than civil war.
A convention of states to amend the constitution;
Uh, no. That's not a constitutional way of states removing themselves from the federal government; that's a constitutional way to amend the constitution.
And why would we want to? I am so fucking proud of Minnesota right now you can't begin to imagine. Why would I want them to leave? They are arguably the very best of us.
No, the one that needs to leave is the orange chancre and his minions. Why are you not talking about that? Minnesota's not the problem here.
inserting another legal route of succession into the constitution.
Another? I'm still waiting to see the first.
That's not a constitutional way of states removing themselves from the federal government; that's a constitutional way to amend the constitution.
Is it constitutional to amend the constitution? Then how is that not a constitutional way?
You can't tell the difference?
I don't understand how you can't know the difference, because this is your own claim.
Where's that "legal route of succession" that's already in the US Constitution? You know, the "national divorse" by way of the "constitutional way of states removing themselves from the Federal Government" you led with. You openly claimed,
There’s literally a constitutional way of states removing themselves from the Federal Government, that’s what national divorse means.
Your exact words. So, where is it? A simple enough question for someone as conversant with the US Constitution as you are, right?
This is very interesting to me because you have a lemmy account that's barely a month old, and much of the time you are fluent in English, and other times -- like in your interactions with me -- you seem to be barely hanging on by your fingernails. But either way, you're always desperate to push a narrative, and never able to answer any questions put to you about what you've already written.
So let's talk about that "legal route of succession" that's already in the US Constitution, the "constitutional way of states removing themselves from the Federal Government," because YOU cared enough about it to bring it up.
Better yet, let's talk about constitutionally evicting that orange kiddie rapist and doing a 25 for 47, because I'd far rather keep Minnesota in the union. No need to throw out a perfectly good state when one useless syphilitic pedo is the real problem. Do you think he's being paid by Russia, Putin's bitch? Or do you think that $500 million he banked in Qatar from selling stolen Venezuelan oil is the real story? I'm interested in your views on this.
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National divorse
constitutional way of states removing themselves from the Federal Government
that’s what national divorse means
Not from here, huh. Well, that's alright. 1860 wasn't the same everywhere around the world, of course.
She's attempting to stay relevant after quitting congress and currently has no role/job.
She's going to run for Gov of GA. She needs to moderate to get that position.
Actually, she’s lined up a tv news role. She cashed in her government pension already. You’re otherwise right
she's hoping she can capture the MAGA crowd and take over when trump croaks.
It's the same right wing grift from a different angle.
People need to stop acting like she's turned over a new leaf. She's a crazy racist. She has nothing to say that's worth hearing. She did more than most to put us where we are. She belongs in the sea.
She’s a crazy racist
Do you realize need someone to explain to you why trump losing the support of crazy racists is a big deal?
This. The way forward is this. Her audience needs to hear this. Not us on Lemmy, we already know.
It boils down to a simplified "us versus them" attitude that the wealthy exploit regardless of party.
No one should agree with anyone 100% of the time, because then you're just blindly agreeing and not thinking.
But people who view the world as binary teams like that can't rationalize any of "them" saying anything right.
Right now it's very important to remember because fascists are always dogshit at maintaining a coaltion after assuming power. Divide and conquer is cliche for a reason, it fucking works.
We need to hammer the 2A angle, because 2A is a huge chunk of Republican support. That's one of their top wedge issues.
Pro-gun progressives could always dominate any election, but even more so now that the left should understand how important gun rights are. And we'd still cut down on mass shootings, because people would feel like they have something to lose in the first place.
Look, yes. She’s a piece of shit. But she’s not wrong here. And honestly, we need people (even batshit crazy racists) calling out the stupid shit Trump and co are doing.
Do not conflate agreement with acceptance. We need all the help we can get right now. Worry about washing your hands later. Too many good people are dying to stay on that high horse.
Her saying this is better than her not saying anything at all—we can demand more from her but we can also benefit from her existence at the moment since she isn't staying silent
You’re not supposed to throw trash in the sea.
At this current point in time, anybody against Trump in this fascist regime is a friend of mine
Yeah people don't become non racist in a couple months. The best case scenario is that she actually has no ideology, was using racism to extend her support base and now is trying to switch sides because she wasn't accepted as a top level member to the racist boys' club (surprise surprise they also turned out to be sexist).
No one truly thinks she's fully caught sanity. However, people like her are the only chance we'll ever get to drive a wedge into the maga cult. If they get messages of sanity from people that were on their side, some of them might back off from the brink.
Less bloodlust right now is a good thing.
Under the sea
Under the sea
Darling it's better
Down where it's wetter
Take it from me
And yet, her takes are better than most Democrats
It was incredibly unnecessary to use that ableist slur.
I understood your point perfectly fine. I'm telling you that the r word, in the way you used it, is an ableist slur.
Using the word in that definition is literally the slur.
That's like claiming using the n-word to refer to someone of recent African decent isn't a slur because you are using the word "correctly" and that it would only be a slur if used for people who aren't black.
I can't help but read MTG as Magic the Gathering and it makes these headlines kinda sorta bearable.
It'd be better if she'd sacrifice herself from the graveyard already.
Actually she has a tremendous opportunity to sway a non-trivial number of trump voters against him and his bloc right now. I say let her play, couldn't possibly hurt the situation now.
Narrator: it could
You forgot the record scratch 🤌🏼
She can speak to MAGAts better than anyone left of Orange Mussolini.
She's useful
That's how we allow this to continue. Seepage.
Exiled. I don't think you can sacrifice stuff that's not on the board.
Fair. I've not touched that wallet-rape engine since Ice Age/Antiquities, so 😅
I never actually played the game myself, but I do love to read about quirky card combos from time to time.
Same tbh
Asshole that caused the downfall of society: Yo, society is falling apart!
You guys notice how Republican start being "normal" and stop spewing shit the minute they retire?
It tells, they all KNOW they are lying and stealing, they just don't give a shit while they are grifting.
For a rat jumping off a sinking ship, she's pretty good at it tbh. She is very selective and has only gone against trump on two things from what I understand (Epstein and 2A), both probably hitting the mark even in cultish Maga territory.
Even a Republican grifter is doing a much better job at opposition than most Democrats and that is all you need to know about American politics
It is bizarre watching these far-right broken clocks be occasionally right as reality steams past their previously untenable position into full dystopian horror.
She's auditioning for 2028.
There won't be a 2028 for her to compete in.
What is being missed here is
EVEN MARGERY TAYLOR GREEN IS GETTING SUPPORT BY TELLING THE TRUTH
which leads us to ask
DEMOCRATS IN OFFICE, WHY IS THIS SO HARD?!?!?!
There's no money in it
This. No one needs to look any further. We are not being lead, we are being fleeced.
If there weren't, MTG wouldn't be doing it. There is less money in it than their current strategy.
Not necessarily, she's young by politician standards and she understands the old geezer leader her party is going to die leaving a charisma void and eventually a clusterfuck party-imploding. Building popularity right now is her correctly reading the writing on the wall and making investments in this eventuality.
Listen, I know its nice to point at MTG and go "omg shits so fucked even this psychotic bitch can see the truth"
But thats not the case.
MTG is a fucking opportunist.
She seen the writing on the wall with Trumps second term and is pulling a Meghan McCain, in that shes trying to position herself infront of Cameras saying stuff that sounds reasonable to try and salvage a political career and potentially have a position of leadership in the post trump era, and especially in the post-trump republican party.
Don't let her con you into liking her, believing her, or supporting her, just because shes now saying shit you believe and agree with. Because she pulled that shit already with the right wing and extremists... and she does it easily because she doesnt believe it. Shes a vile opportunist who would spew anything if she thought it'd let her maintain her power, or obtain more.
Their comment however was not about simping MTG. It was questioning Democrats sucking ass.
Give em hell
Bitch that civil war was your jam until they threw you out of the club... you're not wrong, just terrible
They didn’t even really throw her out until she got salty over not running for senate (which they told her ‘no’ cuz she’d have lost.)
Bitch, you created this monster. Now that you finally nfpund your marbles, it's a bit late, dontbya think? I'm all for a redemption arc, but you really were one of the worst.
It'll take more from you to forget what you've done
Say what you want but more obnoxious cunts turning sides can only be a good thing.
You can say a lot of shit about her, but she's also an untrustworthy turncoat.
She compares these protesters with the "peaceful J6ers." Fuck off traitorous manipulative fuckwad. J6 was the darkest day in American Democracy, since the McCarthy hearings at least if not going back a lot further.
Most functional broken clock.
It's been a long day.
Bitch, YOU'RE A PART OF IT. 🖕🏽
She’s nothing more than a bilge-rat, sensing the ship is sinking and escaping to higher decks.
Yes to the first part. However, disagree on the last bit...I mean, is anything actually sinking that isn't wanted and expected by the paedo in chief?
And I'm asking seriously here.
I don't see any sinking of the republican party or maga. I see an old orange child rapist shitting on the fundamental allies, institutions, and laws of america with no one stopping it from happening.
Yes, america is losing those long time allies and money, etc, BUT that is by design of the wannabe dictator and its enablers. Again, where's the sinking?
Stay unemployed Marge
What office does she hold rn?
None, but what office is she angling for?
There could also be a new book deal or limited TV series they are trying to get off the ground.
Governor.
A home office
Haha. “Influencer.”
Hey MTG, if you've got evidence, maybe get that shit leaking. Leaders need to start talking more seriously about treason charges, because that is what this is.
She still voted republican 99.99% of the time.
I don't care what her reasons are for saying the right thing. People on the right listen to her and we need more people saying the right thing.
"We're all trying to find the guy who did this!"
I hate MTG.
I will also take any ally we can get at this point, as long as they vote what they speak
Let us not forget she was probably the first politician to publicly encourage a civil war since the first one.
*"You are all being incited into civil war." *
She's SOOOO close. Now she just needs to ask herself who has the most to gain from us killing each other, and remember the intelligence reports about the 2016 election.
What's the deal for the billionaires that they let somebody else own the president?
Unrestricted pillaging of the ruins. They want what the Russian Mafia got after 1990.
pillaging of the ruins
That's not recurring revenue. They must know that Russia and China will take their lunch money if they let the US disintegrate.
I guess we'll find out.
On one hand it's good to see anyone with a following stating truth to power, on the other hand it kinda pisses me off that only now after multiple needless deaths does this ass-hat who helped to set this situation up finally come to her senses.
This is like the 3rd time I’ve agreed with her this year.
Much as that sucks, it could be that we’re being fed bullshit to divide us. Weird, I know.
She’s still an idiot whose views only align with mine in a few cases because she doesn’t really understand reality.
But she actually seems like someone who maybe cares about the truth sometimes. She was indoctrinated, but maybe she could be pulled out of it? Not when she’s surrounded by the right wing echo chamber, but it gives me some hope that the redcaps in our own orbit might have a chance?
She seems like a crazy person that's also a true believer.
She went to Washington wanting to expose, among other things, a secret child-sex abuse ring involving people at the highest levels of government and society. And lo and behold, there was one, but it was being protected by the people in her own party.
True believers sometimes have some hope because some have just followed misinformation too far. Some will snap out of it when confronted with reality. The Final Experiment actually managed to turn some true flerfers. No effect on the grifters, obviously, but it shook some believers loose.
Yeah, I clock her as a True Believer as well. She's also a person who believes the end justifies the means.
Put those two things together and they explain everything she's ever done, including Jewish space laser claims.
MTG has always smelled like foreign/capital influence and the stank keeps getting worse.
That’s what I thought, too, but her latest utterances don’t make sense in that light.
Maybe her net worth has finally exceeded her values, so she’s finding something like a conscience and isn’t moneyed enough* for that to really factor in? She’s very, very new money, and likely can’t really imagine what that means? People are likely trying to tell her.
* : if foreign money bought her, I’m sure she was fairly cheap. She may have realised that recently…
They're not supposed to make sense. Russia did this exact thing within its own borders after the fall. You have the most outspoken poles of the political spectrum do complete 180s. Why?
Because you're trying to keep the people from organizing. You foment distrust in leaders and movements and try to keep people home by all means. You're trying to get people disinterested in the messy world of politics.
Meanwhile, you identify the people who are willing to break the rule of law and follow orders and put them to work nipping at the edges of those brave enough to organize.
It's happening now.
She is absolutely fucking right on that one!
They're just waiting for someone to shoot back to send the army.
i never thought I would see the day where I didn't outright cringe / disagree with MTG
Screw her. She helped push us here.
I swear to God if this BS act works and people vote for this unprincipled scumbag in 2028, I'm going to stick my head in a trash compactor.
Aizen, just because you're helping Ichigo now doesn't mean I forgot about what you previously did.
You don't have to, but we need the damned help.
Coming out of this hell for the USA could require help from anyone, and convincing MAGAs to come over to the good side might be accomplished more readily by someone who once was theirs, would that be her or not.
He was an observer not a protester ffs. Even subtle things like this shift the narrative.
Doesn't matter if the intent is to cause a civil war or not. We don't have a choice.
They will keep ramping up until we fight back. May as well start it now before more lives are lost.
I know Trump thinks it's going to keep there from being primaries, midterms, but he's wrong.
It's also not going to stop us from demanding the Epstein files.
Fuck this bitch.
She's the reason we're in this fucking mess.
One of the many reasons. We started this slide with Reagan.
I’ll take what can be had from her words, but she cannot be trusted and shares blame for the groundwork for the cult followers we see today. She’s also made a lot of money and is getting out after the fact.
Well, Marj is right on this one.
Yes please do a civil war