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Seriously, Why GIMP Dev(s), Why??

4mon 6d ago by sopuli.xyz/u/LogicalDrivel in gimp from sopuli.xyz

Honest to gods, this conversation happened today, and it may have cost me a job opportunity. The customer was super impressed with my menu design and animation, and wanted to know who we got it from. When I said I did it, their face lit up! Too bad as soon as i said GIMP, they weren't interested anymore. Has anyone else experienced this? What do you say in similar situations?

"GIMP?? Like the suit?"

"What suit?"
Then watch them squirm.

But you're really just admitting that you haven't seen Pulp Fiction, which is a major educational gap.

True, Quentin Tetrazzini saying the n-word is required viewing.

Someone should make fan edits of his films that just remove Tarantino from his films

It's funny, because I'm not a native speaker and Gimp means.. well.. this software. I only learned what it meant years later.

Same. I knew what gimp suit was much later after I got introduced to GIMP.

I learnt about it 20 seconds before this comment.

What does it mean?

From Wiktionary:

  • A person who is lame due to a crippling of the legs or feet.

  • (slang, derogatory) A name-calling word, generally for a person who is perceived to be inept, deficient or peculiar.

  • (BDSM) A submissive dressed in a full-body suit of latex or a similar material.

I'm vaguely sure the first two meanings above appeared earlier. Perhaps the name was taken as a nod to ‘geek’ and ‘dweeb’, which were slurs for programmers back before the profession became mainstream. Edit: apparently not: "The software was originally named the General Image Manipulation Program. Kimball and Mattis formed the acronym GIMP by adding the letter G to '-IMP,' inspired by a reference to 'the gimp' in the 1994 film Pulp Fiction."

Somewhat relatedly, Torvalds called his versioning software ‘git’, which is also a derogatory term, a British-specific one at that. (And the original name of Linux was 'Freax'.)

Merriam has the definition I knew it by before I saw Pulp Fiction, which is a synonym for limp. I think I was also vaguely aware it was an offensive word for someone disabled.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp

How did you learn it? Did you maybe grow up in an English speaking community

Yeah I'm a native speaker and read a ton as a kid, and then ended up being a lit major, so I guess my idea of what words are normal could be somewhat skewed. But I think that one I probably heard it from my dad.

Looks like the gimp usage peaked in the 1860s, at least in books.

ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT?

What?

Say "what" again. I dare you. I double dare you, motherfucker, say "what" one more god damn time!

I don’t get it?

It's a bondage term

A movie is a series of fast movies images paired with a soundtrack to make it look like its a real moving image. Pulp Fiction is a movie.
Characters are fictional people and things in a movie.

Gimp's sleeping

Graphics Image Manipulation Program. That what GIMP means.

Heck I learned this today

Maybe get in the habit of calling it by it's full name initially. Then it seems like an unfortunate acronym instead of a software made by perverts. Note I'm fairly certain most software is made by perverts, and I'm including myself in that group.

I am one of those that will just use literal meaning names, like MediaInfo.
Here's one that I named: SubtitleAndReencodeWidget

Jesus that was a throw back. Awesome app fyi

Hahahaha.

I understand. Sometimes I too must admit I'm part of the group causing the problems.

We love our fucking acronyms

Anyone who tried to bring GIMP into nonprofits and schools dealt with this problem. I cannot explain how many uncomfortable conversations I had with non-technical people.

And the defenders will continue to say GIMP's name is fine and still be shocked of the low adoption rate.

Maybe in America? I can tell you in most of the world, nobody would even think to give a fuck about the name, it doesn't mean anything. The word "gimp" isn't even popular enough. 

This sounds like some weird copium: surely the app would take off and replace Photoshop long ago, if they just changed that damn name! There was one fork that thought that, with a different name, died shortly after creation. Because in reality nobody cares about the name. 

I'm literally explaining to you the challenges I've had.

In many schools, I brought libre office and ubuntu into the classroom. I taught a whole generation of kids about open source.

Rather than recognizing that maybe there's something off here, you shrug and say nobody really cares.

You're part of the problem.

So what's off there? What are the challenges you had? When one searches "gimp" in any search engine, they only get search results for the image editor. One has to really go out of their way to look into some dictionary to find out the supposed meanings, and even a dictionary does not mention that it's a slur or anything, unless it's Urban Dictionary. Which of the meanings is supposed to be the bad one that's brought up?

And in any case, what would you realistically expect the GIMP project to do? The software is known worldwide for the past 30 years and the name is not a problem in the slightest in any of the non-anglophone countries. Throwing off their name and branding could be a project suicide, the rebrands are risky and I'd say don't go too well that often.

Well, did you know there was a fork of gimp called glimpse, that was created because of that name?

Well... its abandoned now... So... apparently the name didn't make it more popular.

[Edit: removed AI written articles about glimpse.]

https://web.archive.org/web/20191226042940/https://glimpse-editor.org/about/

https://web.archive.org/web/20230325235741/https://github.com/glimpse-editor

https://web.archive.org/web/20230325235732mp_/https://glimpse-editor.org/posts/a-project-on-hiatus/

...in English-speaking countries.

I experienced no such problems recommending GIMP to people/organisations.

I'd say it says more about the listener in that situation. GIMP is a great name for a GNU Image Manipulation Program, just like Fanny Pack perfectly describes a bag worn around the waist but you'd be surprised the looks you get in the UK for not calling it a "Bum Bag" instead.

The people the immediately assume it must have to do with sexual fetishes (or make that connection) just aren't as familiar with what the rest of the world has been up to.

That has to be a US thing there's no way anyone else is like that.

I work for a pretty button-down organisation and frankly they're ridiculously obsessive about corporate stuff but even they wouldn't blink at Gimp.

Honestly, how do they know the negative connotation of the word gimp?

Because if you go to the dictionary definition it is the most inoffensive word. At its worst it means weak, an insult barely worse than dweeb and dork. It's synonym with gumption, it comes from references to fabric, FFS. If you know what a gimpsuit is, or know gimp only as slang or an insult that's on you and your ignorant perversions.

It's GNU software. Fork it and name it however you want. That's the freedom that the G in GIMP offers.

Yes. That is a freedom.

It’s also a big reason why it’s not taken seriously. If you want to get into the orgs comment OP mentioned, your deployment solution can’t be “vendor this forever by creating a downstream build pipeline that only changes the name.” All of the documentation and internet coverage is also going to be using the wrong anyway. Comment OP is talking about adoption, not software freedom.

I’m reading the comments here and still have no clue what’s offensive about the word

Edit. Why don’t you just come back with ”what suit?”

The first time I heard the name I thought "Why would you admit, in the name, that your software is gimped?"

Naming stuff is a significant problem in the open-source community (not to say closed source has a monopoly on good names, bad names seems to be a thing these days).

Thing is if OSS wants to compete, having a meaningful name will go a long way to getting regular users in board.

That's the whole point though: FOSS software originally doesn't want to compete. There's no point in maximizing market share when you give away your software for free.
That's why the devs call it Gimp, Freax, Gnu, Slackware or the Kool Desktop Environment. They're hobbyist projects by nature, and got big because they're useful, not due to marketing. And that's what I love about them.
I wish more software (and products in general) were made and named like that.

Btw, Slackware is a reference to the Church of the SubGenius, which is quite anti-mainstream.

And the name was specifically chosen to keep people from taking the project too seriously.
Same with Freax, which was renamed to Linux by Ari Lemmke when he uploaded it, without consulting Linus Torwalds first.

There's no point in maximizing market share when you give away your software for free.

I wouldn't quite agree with this, though: in Stallman's worldview, all software should be free and open-source.

A coworker of mine likes to say that there are three major problems in software development: naming things and off-by-one errors.

Cache invalidation was also included in the original quote.

5 major problems in software dev. :
1- naming things
2- [object Object]
3- Cache invalidation
4- off-by-one errors

I mean "Chrome" "Excel" "Outlook" "Slack" "Jira" "Acrobat" aren't exactly meaningful names, but have become recognized brands.

if you didn't know what they did you wouldn't be able to guess from the name.

Software naming is usually depends on original maintainer language.

I've seen people claiming "weird software name" while it's just good name in another language. Like it could be Hindi, Chinese, Russian, Arabic, and so on.

Forcing non-Western developer to make "English-friendly" name seems anti-inclusive.

It's 21st century. English monoliguist also have to tolerate language accross the world, not just expecting non-English speaker to tolarate them.

The hacker culture, from which the modern OSS community stems (‘hacker’ in the original programming meaning), is specifically rather anti-corporate and opposed to seeing software as a product to sell, instead of DIY tools shared between enthusiasts.

I hate when the name is just a common word, which makes searching for any information almost impossible.

GIMP but pronounce it JIMP, like GIF

This is the way

Now it sounds like a piece of IKEA furniture.

Enjoy our all new JÏMP chair.

Just pronounce it "JIMP" and watch the .gif pronounciation debate light up once again!

The G stands for GNU so maybe it’s NIMP or IMP

The G in GNU is pronounced.

You mean something like “ga-new”?

EDIT: apparently yes: https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en.html

And then along came Microsoft with the Zune and decided to have like this neat Nearby Share feature so you could like...share a song with a friend and their Zune - and called the feature "Squirting".

It's pronounced "JIMP" 😌

😒

Like gif, right?

I feel like a small drawback of (linux) open source is that everything is made by devs.

Sometimes I feel like a graphic designer or a marketing person might offer some really basic but solid advice... Like "don't name your app Gimp."

Discord is a terrible name for communication software, unless it's for arguments and disinformation.

Twitter. Not tweeter (which would make a bit more sense), but I suppose it's from "twit", another insult.

Git, also an insult. And then let's call sites GitHub and GitLab.

Names like iPad, ThinkPad, AnythingPad were all criticized for sounding like feminine hygiene products.

Most sites have a FAQ section, which non-native English speakers often read as "fuckyou".

And in russian-speaking countries "eBay" sounds vulgar to begin with.

Twitter

intransitive verb

1: to utter successive chirping noises birds twittering in the trees

2

... a: to talk in a chattering fashion What are those people twittering about?

... b: giggle, titter | A few people twittered at the absurd statement.

3: to tremble with agitation : flutter a hand twittering

I'll give you Discord and Git but the rest feel like stretches.

...does anyone not read FAQ section as "fuckyou section"?

I have always that "Discord" is a pretty spot on based on the vitriolic gamer user base.

And yet they've all been normalized why GIMP is still a sex suit. 🤔

Also agreed eBay is vulgar. So much scam.

To whom? Because "gimp" in any search engine only shows the image editor...

That's a bit like the people who lament the lost beauty of tattooed women with neon hair. Not having to please conventional norms to maximize market shares is a reward.

tattooed women with neon hair

reporting in! 🫡

maybe just say the G.I.M.P. or something. honestly as a non-english speaker the name Gimp sounds very good lol

Not everyone speaks English, and there's no one standard of English.

There's British English, Singaporean English, Indian English, Malaysian English, etc. Forcing one standard of English does not seem correct.

Like, I've seen so many instances on Twitter of Westerner canceling Asian people for speaking "English Asia" (basically English but combined with their local language), just because they misunderstand the meaning of the tweet.

I bet if it had a better name, more people would use and recommend it.

How hard would it be to fork it, and just change the name?

It did. Neither their website nor the github project page exist anymore.

Artbox

I wish they’d upstream including the name.

recent upstream [GIMP] changes have moved in directions that don’t fit Artbox’s focus. [...] Artbox will now remain as a stable, maintenance-only project. Updates will be limited to essential fixes or build adjustments when necessary. [...] Without the need to maintain a rebase, I can simplify development and use AI-assisted refactoring to turn it into a lean, specialized digital painting application.

This doesn't inspire much confidence in me that the project will see much regular enhancement and development.

Thanks for the link, the name is many times better, I wonder whether they improved the interface.

That's the most generic name I've ever heard.

Why not "TwoWords"? Same pattern, but honest.

Why not rename it to Linux Image Manipulation Program?

Oh, wait...

Ok, then just Image Manipulation Program?

... oh shit.

LIMP and IMP aren't even moving the proverbial scale on "weird name".

It's Linux so why not

Simple Open Creative Kit Software

SOCKS as an abbreviation is already in use for a proxy server protocol. ;)

What's wrong with IMP?

When they make a non-GPL alternative to GIMP for the FreeBSD it will be called IMP.

It's an unofficially reserved name.

short form of "important", "impressive", "improve", "impeccable", "imp...?"

GNU Image Editor, GIE.
Wonder if that's offensive in any language.

Can this work?

  • GLAM: GNU / Linux imAge Manipulation
  • GLIDE: GNU/Linux Image DEvelopment

Or like Krita, no acronym whatsoever - just a cool name

Lol, I suppose. One should stand their grounds and be proud of what they use. And if someone has a false impression of me because of that, correct it obviously and move on. Let them know that we aren't as superficial as having names/words being held against us; that's extremely judgmental.

I usually just say things like "I used an open source image editing tool. It's like Photoshop, but free!" and then don't elaborate further heh

If you're pressed further just use its long name GNU image manipulator. It's a unique name and every search engine will turn up the correct website for gimp when you search it. Or you could just use the letters. "I used Gee Eye Em Pee"

Using the long name (it's actually GNU Image Manipulation Program) is a good idea, but I have never actually had anyone press for the actual name Not giving the name also means I don't have to explain anything if I later used Inkscape or something else as those would also more or less fit the description I gave.

It's >Krita!<

what are you gonna do, ask for a refund?

I pronounce it Jimp... for this reason ...and there's precedent with Gif.

"Creatives Opensource Creat Kit" would be better

Creators' UNified Toolkit

there’s precedent with Gif.

You could use Procreate instead. Oh wait a second...

They OBV have never cared. But it's probably one of the larger reasons it's never taken off in business. Just requesting it in some places would get you an HR violation.

My company provides GIMP to its employees. Turns out they care more about paying zero than a silly name.

We've opened the doors to Blender.

TBF, there's a pretty wide gap for professional art between PS and Gimp that go beyond knowing both interfaces. The actions, adjustment layers, hell down to just what happens when you paste a new layer. A lot of it, you CAN make Gimp do the same thing, but it takes many more steps and is often less precise.

I tried to see if I could convert my photographer wife over to it. Started learning her workflows, tried to translate it into Gimp. What she was doing was a LOT faster than I could sort and that's if i spent shit tons of time bridging the gap with python

Things have changed in more recent versions of GIMP. Pasting layers is simple now and you can even drag and drop them between images. You can also now use any filter nondestructively, even which Photoshop can't do.

The naming of tooling really matters, no one would use a software called cucked or rwrod whatever.

This shouldn't even be a discussion, this idiotic meme name probably had a massive impact on OSS software and it's perception by the public and I'm not even trying to exaggerate or joke.

It's the downside of volunteer-based work. There's noone to tell them no :)

Somebody had a cosmetic fork at one point called Glimpse.

The GIMP devs are downright fucking fascistic about never ever changing the name. Just suggesting it will get you unholy hellflame.

Some folks call it Gnu Imp, but i really do wish they would change it.

Is the idea that's somehow a better name?

well it lets you refer to it without having to call it the ableist slur + kink combo name. until they decide to name it something sensible, it's at least something.

Wasn't it originally called GTK? Why did they change it in the first place?

No, GTK (GIMP Toolkit) is a different thing. Specifically, it is a user interface widget library that uses code originally developed to implement the user interface for GIMP (to replace the Motif widgets it had been using before). Nowadays, GTK is used in a bunch of applications, not just GIMP.

First came GNU (GNU's Not UNIX), then came GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program), then finally GTK (GIMP ToolKit).

Which means the full name of GTK is therefore "GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Program ToolKit," BTW.

It's an acronym inside of an acronym inside of an acronym. In fact, it's acronyms all the way down. Infinite recursion.

I fixed this by using Krita instead. I used to only use it for vector work but then realized it does most everything GIMP does, too.

Just don't let anyone look over your shoulder when you open it.

There's nothing weird about this pic, the Robot Rabbit thing is fully dressed.

+1 for reusing the link instead of recopying.

"a program like Photoshop." Or just say Photoshop. Does it really matter to them?

Or: GIMP – it's kinda like Photoshop, but for free.

Why did OP make it so awkward? And it seems there's some implication that there was some opportunity there lost by just mere mention of the program, which seems like a big stretch. No need to be that insecure about the software you're using, the GIMP college garage copypasta isn't real. There's a chance they were just curious, got the answer and that was it... 

All, true, but I'd probably just say Photoshop, and they'd nod, and move on. It's pretty much a generic term now, anyway, like scotch tape.

I once searched for "gimp mask", as I wanted to learn something about the masking features in the software. Well, as a non-native english speaker, I was quite amused about the results.

I just did, with and without safe search ON. The results were only about the GIMP we all know.

LOL, yeah, it still happens.

Hey, if you can code an excellent program while in a gimp suit...props to you.

I just say I photoshopped it.

That’s ironic, but I like it. The irony. Gimp would always be in the shadow of Photoshop, and its name actually characterises its interface. That’s beautiful.

I know it's not easy for everyone but I think if one would say "GIMP!" with bit more confidence it would already help a lot.

Instead of doing the awkward:
"I-I use G-Gim.." sweats nervously "uummm Gimp.. It stands for GNU Image..." ÜwÜ

Alternatively just say "I edit/create the images myself and use Canva to animate it"

I'd just follow up in the same sentence with "it's an Adobe alternative". People tend to fix on the last thing in a sentence so they'll just ask why you don't use that instead.

I just say Imp now, if they ask I say it stands for image manipulation tool

That'd be IMT.

On the other hand, we all avoided using Freax

“I made this with GIMP, since I use Freax.”

Seriously, Why ICE american(s), Why??

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DB_403_026_2024-08-02_JM_5D413719.jpg

We liked our ICE perfectly well. Nowadays I can't even mention to a customer that I like trains.

Having an acronym within an acronym feels like it should be illegal...

Check out what GNU stands for then. Infinite recursion time.

Or WINE

Sometimes people will be like, "can you edit this image/logo for me?" and i'll be like "Sure, if its vector i will use Inkscape, and if its raster I'll use... Another program"

GIMP never have any bad connotation in English Asia language. So, people just hate the UI, not the name. Even my school lab actually installed GIMP.

Here's my got take:

If gimp was good enough it's name wouldn't matter. As of now it is not, it could be someday but it isn't yet. I am so hopeful that it is eventually as easy to pick up as PS.

I'm sorry but if Pepsi was called Cripple-Juice I doubt it would be as big as it is today.

A name matters.

I don't understand what yall are doing that Gimp is not easy for you. I went from PS to Gimp, and did exact same things in it: poke at the image in the center, switch tools on the left, layers on the right, and apply filters from the menu called ‘Filters’. Idk what I'm doing wrong.

My main problem with its UI is that I can't ever remember where the buttons for each tool are, except the basic selection and movement ones. The icons kinda don't stand out, and I don't think it's because they're monochrome. Perhaps it could be changed with themes, but I'm too lazy to dig through them.

Yeah, the floating windows were a nineties thing, until maybe mid-2000s. Either Borland's IDEs or Visual Studio had bonkers layouts with everything floating. Even some games like ‘Worms 2’ and ‘SWAT 2’ used that. Thankfully with Gimp I just put everything right like it was in PS and let it hang there, until they shipped the single-window mode.

"like the suit?"

"I wouldn't know, I'm not into men's formal wear."

"What's a gimp suit?" 🤷‍♂️

Because you are not supposed to go out during the day in public if you know what those things are. At least not talk about them in decent places where other people might be.

Where I live, fortunately most people in my country never know what "gimp" in a different context is.

We need something like blender to happen to GIMP, including a name change.

Well they did move to python with version 3, step in the right direction from a development standpoint

Gotta whip out "The GNU Image Manipulation Program" or just say "an open source image editor like Photoshop" or just say Photoshop of you are speaking to the wrong audience.

also latex lol i always google things like "red colored text latex" and get pictures of people in latex suits

ASCII does not have Greek letters, so we bring this upon ourselves by misspelling: $LaTe\Chi$

a) Alberat, like most of us lazy people, did not fo that. b) There are a lot of archived online discussions about this in which ASCII was assumed, so when we do start doing that we will omit those resources.

Just pronounce it Gee-imp and it's fiiiine

pretty sure for this exact reason, also makes for as longer lasting memory/name recall.

its odd but it works, and it works because its odd.

and next time if you think the presumptive customer is a pearl-clutcher, say the full name or if you have to abbreviate do the ol' individual G. - I. - M. - P.

You could have just said you use animation software for it and not go into details.

Most customers don't care anyway since they aren't going to do it themselves.

And if you use Krita instead, you're greeted with a furry upskirt shot every time you open it.

Except that its not upskirt.

Compared to that, offical Minnie Mouse from Disney would be more risqué.

https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Minnie_Mouse

I cannot make heads or tails of the perspective of the mascot or whatever in that picture. Is it twisting to the left to look at the viewer or is it facing the viewer completely head on?

Unless the tail is coming like completely out of the side of the hip I think the torso is twisted to the right and we're seeing the front of the legs.

Could you link to that, then?

Hell if I'm going to let what some normie thinks make me second-guess the names of my tools

You should have owned it!

Or! Play dumb and ask them questions about what they thought you meant.

Could have just stopped at Gnu Image Manipulation.

Sense of absurdist humor, thats why

You need to use the soft 'g' like gif.

Embrace it.

Imagine if you had to say you're the sole programmer responsible for Nesticle! Or that your blog is full of texticles

I'm not sure saying "I used the GNU Image Manipulation Program" would've sounded better, probably would.

I'll settle with GNUIMP, or gnooymp.

Nesticle sounds like a bait term similar to ligma.

Guh-nome Image Manipulation Program is too long and not memorable enough. I think they nailed it.

It would be easy to fork and rename it. Just keep pulling the updates to keep it current and don't change anything else. Wouldn't be surprised if that took off.

That already exists and your ignorance of it seems to prove you wrong.

Also, you'd have to change the splash screen, the menu's, etc. Just renaming the executable doesn't really change the name of the program. You are making changes to it, which you'd have to check don't break anything else every time there is an update.

Steer into it!

Also see Git.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the next few months creates an absolutely superior Discord replacement under the GPLv3 but calls it “RTEF: Release the Epstein Files” or something.

Two outta three!

https://fluxer.app/

Still needs some work, but its AGPLv3, and the Dev seems chill.

We also have Movim implementing Discord-like rooms soon, as more established and encrypted option based on XMPP.

Foiled by Krita's anti-woke mob!

If naming a piece of common open source software, regardless of what it's called, loses you a job opportunity, you dodged a bullet.

Also GIMP is a great name. I'd rather it refer to an image manipulation program than its derogatory meaning.

Does the naming of the software maybe precede the popularity of the movie Pulp Fiction? Was the naming done by people who don't speak English natively? Do you also suffer like this when you want to remark on a pretty great tit on a tree?

GIMP was released in 98, Pulp Fiction in 94 and it was and remains a very influential movie. So yeah, seems likely intentional.

1995 but yeah. The 1998 date that shows up at the top of search engines and shit LLMs is the 1.0 release.

I'd point out in their defense that it was just a couple college kids making a fun side project; OP blaming them for apparently costing them a job 30 years later seems harsh.

https://www.gimp.org/about/prehistory.html

From: Peter Mattis
Subject: ANNOUNCE: The GIMP
Date: 1995-11-21
Message-ID: <48s543$r7b@agate.berkeley.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.windows.x.apps

i believe they explicitly named it after the character in pulp fiction

personally i’m not blaming them too much for being a bunch of young assholes choosing an edgy name (reminder that it’s an ableist slur first and foremost) 30 years ago.

i am 100% blaming them for never changing it and outright refusing to change it.

98 is the date listed by Wikipedia as the "initial release"

Initial release

2 June 1998; 27 years ago

edit: just explaining where the date came from, jackass.

just explaining where the date came from, jackass.

Where'd that come from? Seems unnecessarily hostile. Sounds like you need to get some fresh air.

Downvoting me for posting the date seems pretty childish. So that was directed at whomever felt that necessary.

I actually didn't downvote you until after you posted that edit. And even if that wasn't the case, it's still absurdly thin-skinned and unpleasant to lash out like that over a single downvote.

No worries. I just thought it was some petty shit. You shouldn't feel the need to keep insulting me with your responses anymore, as Ive blocked you

@LogicalDrivel Would GeeHaiEmPee work better in this context?

GIMP came out in 98, just 4 years after Pulp Fiction. So I guess what I am saying is: You know why. And it ain't a new name, so you had plenty of time to plan for how to handle it. Not being quick on your toes in a meeting isnt GIMP's fault. That's on you. Take it as a learning experience.

Shoulda just called it GTK