Kim Jong Un chooses teen daughter as heir, says Seoul
4mon 5d ago by lemmy.world/u/MicroWave in world from www.bbc.com
North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has selected his daughter as his heir, South Korea's spy agency told lawmakers on Thursday.
Kim Ju Ae - who is believed to be 13 - has in recent months been pictured beside her father in high-profile events like a visit to Beijing in September, her first known trip abroad.
The National Intelligence Service (NIS) said it took a "range of circumstances" into account including her increasingly prominent public presence at official events" in making this assessment.
Diversity win! This up and coming dictator is a young woman!
More šš¼ female šš¼ dictators šš¼
- Neoliberals, probably
Try tankies
Can we call her a minority?
You can, but she might have you shot for it
Worldwide Asians are a majority.
As she's then effectively getting in line, would that be a coup queue? Seems to track for NoKo. š¤Ŗ
Kinda makes me wish one of them thought screaming was singing, then we could dub them "NoKo Oh-No".
FWIW, the other thread I was fiddling with mentally was re: the term "chuffed" and its implied verb "to chuff" to create this headline: "Coup queue for NoKo chuff" š¤£
I hope she doesnāt get a cold, otherwise that would be a ācoup queue cachooā.
I am the walrus?
Sorry, we've already assigned you the role of eggman.
I call the mighty Quin. š¤š»
Shut the fuck up, Donny
Queoup
If the "p" is silent, is it also a homonym?
Or she is going to get executed
The National Intelligence Service (NIS) said it took a ārange of circumstancesā into account including her increasingly prominent public presence at official events" in making this assessment.
Coup what shit? This speculation seven layers deep.
Well there goes the legacy of terrible haircuts. Three generations of shite hair down the drain!
She hasn't taken over yet. There's still time!
Exhibit A:
Don't underestimate her haircut styling skills!
Look at North Korea, breaking down those gender boundaries in the male-dominated dictatorship world.
That photo makes me feel old - I remember when Kim Jong Un looked young and stupid, now he looks old and stupid
Exactly! When did he age that much? It's crazy.
I suspect the last decade of dealing with Trump and Xi hasn't been the easiest time of his life. Just look at before and after pics of normal US presidents. That job ages them a decade in 4 years
he has to play nice with XI, in order to get funding and AID from which NK is entirely dependant on china. helping russia is like straining thier resources too.
He looks like shit for being in his early 40s. I wonder if there is something going on with his health and thatās why he is appointing a 13 year old heir. The article doesnāt elaborate on that but it says he āappears young and healthy.ā He looks like he is about to pop. I donāt think Iād describe him as young or healthy looking.
Heās almost 40 years younger than Trump, so I donāt think itās comparable. Iām the same age as Kim and I know no one who is in as bad as shape as him (maybe one or two co-workers who are morbidly obese). There is nothing healthy about being 5ā3ā and 275 lbs.
I donāt know. Heart attacks are a real thing. Your 40s get weird with health stuff. I agree that I donāt think he is going to croak any day now, but it does seem like they are preparing for him to be gone. His father only lived to 60.
Kim Han Sol
So close...
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surrounded by people who whould absolutely love to acquire your position by all means
You think the third generational decedent of a national hero is going to be toppled by his most fiercely loyal family friends?
If the Kim family could have been pushed out by coup within the military, the CIA would have financed that shit 40 years ago.
Why would they? There's more power in having south Korea be an operating center in Asia, than overthrowing North Korea and allowing for possible reunification. Idk, seems like it would go against most of the CIAs goals that they usually have.
I remember just about every Kim not being very healthy. The jokes wrote themselves with Kim Jong-il.
Yep. And he died at 60. Younger Kim is on the same track.
Does he also have a giant tumor like his dad did?
I read a news article about that mentioned he was thrusted into power in his 20s so maybe he wanted to start introducing her to the system early.
I thouhgt he was in his early 40s like 10 years ago. Whoa!
Finally, the people's girlboss leader!
So the US can't even let women control their own bodies but North Korea can get a woman to lead the country? The fuck kind of timeline are we even on? Why haven't the epstein files gotten the idiot impeached yet?
Why havenāt the epstein files gotten the idiot impeached yet?
'Cos most of the people who would impeach him are in said files?
I was hoping the era of women leaders was going to be a little less fascist. Does anyone have a link to the article not behind a paywall?
What Thatcher taught us was that it's acceptable for women to be in charge as long as they're overtly callous.
There was nothing acceptable about that monster.
Well, her reign of terror might have spawned a generation of pretty good fantasy and science fiction writers, to be fair, probably as a form of escapism, but that doesn't come close to compensating for all the harm she did.
I didn't hit a paywall, but this archive link should work for you.
Democracy is when you select an heir to your throne.
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Constitutional Monarchy are very different and limited form of monarchy, where the monarch have very limited power or are simply there for ceremonial purpose. The king doesn't command the parliament, and cannot make policy, and at most can suggest it.
I live in a country with constitutional monarchy and they mostly just there, occasionally making remark and have their opinions. They however still have the power to veto bill and reject project, but it happen very very rarely. They're mostly there as religious leader and political weapon for some.
So to answer your question, yes, Netherlands and Denmark both practice constitutional monarchy, hence they're still considered democracy.
Firstly, to say that Kim family is merely ceremonial mean you have to proof that someone else is running the show, that hatched all the plans, that have the final say. We don't have that information. What we have is he is the single most powerful person in North Korea, that rule and guide the country, that inherited the power from his father.
Of course, a king need a general and a treasurer, whether they are the one in control or not is not a known fact, and that will remained a mystery until someone close to them speak.
So yes, with the information the world have, we can safely say North Korea is run by a single family.
I don't doubt this, but you could have said the same about Queen Elizabeth before she got in a box
I can also say the same for all prime minister and president in country without monarch and with constitutional monarch. That is exactly what a leader of the country are. What is exactly your point here?
This requires more evidence. What's your evidence for this? What material reasons do you have to believe that the decisions come from Kim personally and not from the communist party?
Let me do one better: what is your evidence that say otherwise?
I would love to have source for your claim on north korea, because your claim on saudi arabia is all but nonsense, and is really easily dispelled with a little bit of internet search.
And across the history, some king are known to have build a lot of public infrastructure, while others don't. That isn't a sign of governance type, that is the sign of the competence of the leadership.
You:
For example, Saudi Arabia, a widely known example of a monarchy with absolutist power, has 80% of the population composed of immigrants without rights who get stripped of their passports and get treated as slaves.
Also you:
When 40%ish of the population is without basic human rights
Wanna try again?
Then you:
There's no public healthcare
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Saudi_Arabia
Health care in Saudi Arabia is a national health care system in which the government provides free universal healthcare coverage through a number of government agencies.
Then you also:
no infrastructure for poor people (trains, public schools, people-centered urbanism...), etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Saudi_Arabia
Public education in Saudi Arabiaāfrom primary education through collegeāis open to every Saudi citizen. Education is the second-largest sector of government spending in Saudi Arabia.[7] Saudi Arabia spends 8.8% of its gross domestic product on education, which is nearly double the global average of 4.6%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Mashaaer_Al_Mugaddassah_Metro_line
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riyadh_Metro
There are several other line being planned.
The 80% figure I mistook for the one of Qatar originally
No you don't, you're just ignorant. Next you gonna tell me south korea is a dictator state and then whoops, you confused it with north korea.
Every service you pointed out leaves immigrants without access, 40% of Saudi population not having access to healthcare is exactly my point.
You first say poor people, now you change it to immigrant. How many time do you wanna move the goal post?
Wikipedia explicitly says this healthcare is for citizens, and when 40% are non citizens, it's a de-facto apartheid state with half the population being immensely exploited
Wikipedia also stated:
"Sponsors/employers are responsible for paying for an extensive package of services for private sector expatriates."
Why are you running defense for authoritarian monarchies in the Middle East?
Is this supposed to be an attack on me or defence of your own ignorant? I see you spitting bs that can be easily debunked via a simple search, so i debunked it via a simple search. And why are you defending dictator state of north korea?
I thought it was 80% migrants? Also, except for the bit about permission to leave country (crazy, imo) that sounds like a normal work permit in many conventionally democratic countries, where employer also uses it's power over migrant workers. It might be worse in practice, of course, that depends on courts
My point was more along the lines of specific democracies doing almost as bad, and being a counterexample for extracting political system information from unrelated data
I absolutely would not have described Queen Elizabeth as the most powerful person in the country at any time of her reign.
The Queen/King is quite literally above the law in the UK. So yes.
Influential? Yes. The current clown not so much.
I'm going to invite you to go ahead and rephrase that in a way that is not completely nonsensical. Cuz I don't know what the fuck you're trying to say there or what it had to do with anything I said.
Yes, we can definitively prove that the NK political theater is run by the Kim family. Watch any video of their "congress" meeting, and it's just a group of NPCs clapping mindlessly to everything Kim Jong il says.
Being intentionally obtuse doesn't make you look smarter.
Ah yes, South Korean interviews of North Koreans that have managed to flee the country- classic western propaganda. Fellate yourself less, maybe?
You tankies are a different brand of stupid, aintcha?
South Korean media reports of North Korean defectors are notoriously not trustworthy. North Korean defectors suffer from a lot of stigma if they go to the South and usually struggle to find a job. Tabloids pay them for their stories. Obviously, the taller the tale, the more likely they get a paycheck.
The fact that NK is so closed off means it's hard to disprove a lot of the claims, but we can still know that they're false when they're contradictory. For example, some NK defectors have claimed having KJU's haircut is illegal, others claim it's the only haircut men are allowed to wear. Some claim that abortion is totally banned, others claim that the state forces women to get abortions.
Probably the epitome of this phenomenon is Yeonmi Park. Are you really gonna die on the hill that NK defectors like her are trustworthy sources?
Yes, because if we discount every first-hand account because of some people who don't say the exact same thing- then we wouldn't have almost any evidence that what went down in concentration camps during WWII actually happened. First-hand accounts are all we get (outside of tankies running interference for a violent dictatorship) so finding commonality among all of them is how you can at least attempt to verify.
Yes, because if we discount every first-hand account because of some people who donāt say the exact same thing- then we wouldnāt have almost any evidence that what went down in concentration camps during WWII actually happened.
That's completely different. The Nazis kept records that corroborate the first-hand accounts. There's photographic evidence of how the camps were laid out, the conditions their prisoners were kept in, bodies, experiments, and more. Honestly I find this line to be bordering on Holocaust denial because it's so absurd: you think the Holocaust could have been carried out in such a way that only first-hand accounts provide evidence of it?
Also I'm not talking about getting slight details wrong, I'm talking about different defectors telling stories that directly contradict each other, or things that are simply impossible. Have you ever seen an interview with Yeonmi Park?
propaganda makes me stupid, I guess I am.
This is the truest thing you've said.
They are objectively correct that Radio Free Asia has propagated false narratives about North Korea. That's a big part of what the organization exists to do.
And how much political power do the monarchs have?
Hm, how much Power does a family have that is venerated like a god and that can order the assassination of family members on foreign soil? Surely the Kim's and the Danish monarch are the same
Anyone with enough money can order assassination of anyone on any foreign soil. That isn't really an argument.
Biden was the elected president of the US. He held power over political decisions, just like the Kims, but unlike the Danish Monarch. Kind of defeating your own argument here.
Lady Dee theories are interesting, haven't read much about them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Kim_Jong-namKim Jong-nam was a potential rival for the Throne and got killed for it. The Kims do hold the power in the DPRK.
We are about to see some of the most effective utiliseations of girl power in history
diversity win!
What fucking diversity, she's still a Kim...
Well, most people there are...
Letās hope they donāt secretly have the protomolecule sample.
Eh if they did, I doubt they'd have long term patience to test validate and perfect a weapon before using it, they'd just dump it in the south and see what happens.
Youāve activated my very stupid trap card called Teresa Duarte
Oh no, must I go to freehold now?
Just get there before it all shuts down
I thought Mr. Nobutthole was invincible and would never die.
Well, when the rest of the world is lead by pedophiles, you play the card that will make taking them over easy.
The onion did this bit 20 years ago
The Dance of Dragons (but with nukes) incoming.
So NK is entering it's girlboss era? How very progiessive (/s).
Fox news: Is North Korea "woke" now?
Anything coming from SK about NK is extremely unreliable
So thats how communismn works