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3mon 23d ago by lemmy.world/u/JimmyMemes in politicalmemes
In all fairness, half the world hated you before. Now you just managed to convince the other half they were right.
The other half being your friends and allies though.
So basically you've been a POS the entire time but had some nice aspects to your character that you showed exlusively around your friends and family, but that facade you've now also dropped which made even them hate you.
Let's not pretend that the allies liked the US before either. The US has been side-eyed by all of the developed world since at least the W. Bush era. It's been more of a "that dude is a bully, but smile and nod and he'll hopefully steal someone else's lunch money instead of ours, and maybe Russia will think we're friends and not steal our lunch money either". Now he's teaming up with Russia and going after everyone's lunch money.
As a Canadian, the US was like a brother; maybe a bit rough around the edges bit still a close family bond. Now, it's like the brother has a meth addiction and stole a bunch of your stuff. There's a deep sense of betrayal that will last decades, assuming he goes into rehab and attones and doesn't completely ruin things forever.
I'm not saying the US can't recover from this, Germany came back from worse after all, but it would take a long time. And I imagine the US turnaround would be more like Japan (pretend everything was very legal and very cool) than the full reckoning Germany had.
Although the US does love flip-flopping between extremes, so who knows? Just like they went from assaulting soldiers returning from Vietnam to compulsively thanking everyone for their service, maybe they'll be all woke and friendly next? Too bad it takes so little for them to flip-flop back again, so you can't really trust it.
My armchair prediction is that even if Democrats manage to gain back control of power in the US, many countries will now be skeptical of entering any arrangements with them for longer than 2-4 years. US voters have now shown a propensity for electing and re-electing a leader that is able to come in and comprehensively dismantle decades of intense diplomacy and geopolitical navigation in a short period of time. As such, wise leaders of other nations won’t be willing to enter long-term arrangements that last beyond a given administration anymore.
I made this exact argument on another forum 20 years ago. It was true then. Now I think you need to severely escalate your analogy.
Those nice aspects were fake performances that only existed to obfuscate any suspicions that we might have been the bad guy all along.
Now that everything is out in the light and our objectors have been proven right maybe we can be forced to change or be ostracized until we do. Our friends and allies are better off without us until then.
Those nice aspects were probably rose-tinted nostalgia of what we remeniscence the USA to be, the gallantrous saviour from Nazi-Germany. It took us 80 years to realize that that gallantry was only during WW2 and maybe not even then.
Rose-tinted nostalgia that was purposely manufactured through pervasive mass-media and institutionalized propaganda. The US population has been heavily indoctrinated ever since the 1950s and the second Red Scare/McCarthyism.
People are nostalgic for something that didn't exist because they grew up on stories and teachings that were utter fabrications of events which overplayed the US's role in WW2 and downplayed the atrocities we committed to our own people and those abroad in our Imperialist quest to cement capitalism as the global economy and stifle the growing wave of communist sentiment that was on the rise during the early-to-mid 1900s.
I listen to a military podcast and they seem surprised that the US threatening to invade another NATO country was such a big deal for Europeans. 🙈
And also a LOT of Americans.
it wasnt for nothing. it made stupid magats happy! and the world is now moving away from the usa as a trade partner.
sO mUcH WiNniNg
It also made some obscenely wealthy people even more wealthy! All hail the Demiurge!
At least in the short term. But the ghouls are happy to just make everybody poorer so they can still feel superior.
As a Canadian. I'm happy. We are less dependent on you. And getting stronger.
im british
Sorry about that.
You mean "Sorery aboot that, eh?"
You poor thing.
Thank you for your people's music, movies, TV and cheese.
Edit: and BOOZE! How could I have forgotten the booze?!?
It got Trump's dick hard as well. Can't forget that.
Oh yes I can
The good news is all that money you paid Is going straight out of the governments coffers and back to corporations with no obligation to pay you back.
Oh, also, you have a new hundred billion dollar hole in your budget because that was to pay for the billionaires tax cuts.
I lost my job because of cuts in May. I haven't been able to find full time employment since. I'm not sure I'm going to recover.
both my brothers are in tech, one got laid of in '23 and stillhavnt found a job, although he is having a "personal crisis". and the other has been put on a bench "indefinitely" since they are using a recruiting company, they took him off projects with APPLE.
I was a developer. I've been getting project management certifications to career pivot. I would like to go back to tech, but I'm gaining skills to leave the industry. I can't survive another year without a full time job that pays moderately.
Idle hands are the tool of the devil. Surely you can put your talents to use against a system that's destroying you.
Everyone wants me to make sacrifices without ever lifting a finger to help me. I'm too busy upskilling, job hunting, and doing part time physical labor.
I'll tell you what you send me help with bills, my mortgage, or food then we'll talk about me doing something you want me to do.
Classic "bootstraps" call lol
I'm about to eat my bootstraps.
Make sure you season them properly
Well said.
Edit: I wasn't asking for sacrifices. Just suggesting ways you could help yourself if you found yourself with time on your hands.
Genuine attempt at being helpful:
Can you sell the house and rent instead?
Got any cars you or the family rarely use?
Basically: Can you downsize and give yourself / your family more padding in savings, less ongoing costs?
With all due respect if I lose my house then life isn't worth living anymore. I don't own a car. I don't have a family.
Could you rent out a room?
Untrue. We paid extra to fund tax breaks for billionaires while food prices tripled and 1,206,374 people were laid off in order to keep those record profits going.
dont forget the aca enhanced subsidies ended, and people saw thier insurance double or tripled or more in premiums/deductibles.
That's right. We shouldn't live. That's too costly! We must sacrifice ourselves on the pyre of privatised healthcare so that the superyachts get built on time.
Not that equalising the trade deficit would actually make everyone's lives better in any way because it's a stupid metric to be concerned with.
It's like being concerned at the supermarket never buys anything off you. If you voice that opinion in public people would think you were weird.
I feel that with many actors that come out with public issue statements. People probably feel the same about my idols.
What is one thing we should be concerned about?
Water!
mL, Ltr
Basic global goals ✨
The rapists and their followers got richer though, and more authoritarian regimes are coming along nicely while cooperation and peace are suppressed
If it helps any, we don't hate Americans, by and large. We pity you. It's your leaders we hate.
Is your country offering asylum to American refugees yet?
doubtful, unless you have a md/PHD or some kind of stem background, "academic refugees"
Although it would be extremely funny there's very little reason for any other countries to actually do that. Although if you have a degree in a relevant science area you might be accepted.
Perhaps you could pretend to be in a relationship with someone from a host country, a reverse green card plot.
we never had anything but CENTER RIGHT parties, thats the biggest. and right wingers think there is an actual left in the USA.
The right are hard right and the left are fairly hard right.
The US doesn't have anything even approaching centre right, let alone left.
The lack of a proper left is why most Americans can't tell the difference between communism and socialism.
Nope. I am disgusted by Americans do-nothing cowardice. Anyone not taking direct action in 2026 is complicit.
The thing is, in any somewhat sane and precedented administration, the argument could reasonably have been made that some economic struggles, even a year in, were largely due to polices of the previous administration.
The problem with this administration is, they literally did everything possible to fuck the economy up, pretty much from day one. Nearly every decision was a bad decision, which had specific and obvious ramifications on the economy. Chaos. Clown show. Chain saw. The current administration owns this shitty economy. They could have litterally sat around twiddling their thumbs doing absolutely nothing but eat hamburders and drink covfefe and the economy would be doing orders of magnitude better than it is now. Instead they decided tariffs and firings and tax cuts to the ultra rich were in order. So now this is all their fault. 100%.
I would assume that this is planned 100%.
Project 2025 will probably have some shit in it what else you could expect to happen next.
I don't know how this helps the ultra rich when they destroy a country, but there must be sth. they gain from that.
Maybe they just make fun of you by showing their power to each other.
Like playing bullshit bingo but actually throwing money at the president to get a bingo.
I don’t know how this helps the ultra rich when they destroy a country, but there must be sth. they gain from that.
They're looting it as it goes down. For example, Trump sued the federal government for the time his tax records were leaked; federal government - which he controls - settles with him for $$$$$.
Meanwhile, the ultra-rich are getting more tax breaks so they can get a bit richer. What do they care if the US fails? They probably have money stashed all over the world.
They have enough money that money doesn't matter. Making people for whom money does matter have less gives them more power.
They don't want to be rich in a developed capitalist country, they want to be lords in a feudal society. The average quality of life plummeting doesn't matter as long as the highest remains the same and they get more power.
Yeah, but now, Germany's best trading partner is China, which replaced the USA... Well done... Self-sabotage...
Germanys current economy ain't great, tho. Been in a recession the last few years. And exports to China are shrinking as well.
Is Germany's economy based on exports to China? I feel like Germany's problems, like other European countries, lie else where
Well, the US is going insane with tariffs, our gas delivering country is running amok in Ukraine and our biggest cars importer decided to build cars themselves. So... Yes... Things have changed.
Well, germanys economy is not solely reliant on exports to China, but they are significant nonetheless. Historically, we used to export a lot of cars to China, but ever since the EV boom german car manufacturers struggle because China heavily subsidizes its own car industry, making domestically produced cars much cheaper than the imported german ones. And technologically, China becomes ever more advanced so it increasingly doesn't need to import engineering equipment/machinery from germany as well.
But yeah, the decreasing exports are just one of many problems of germanys current economy.
This is really informative, thanks for taking the time to reply.
Of course, I am not kicking Germany as many countries find themselves in difficult times.
I can't keep watching people act surprised about this.
Trump's administration is not trying to successfully accomplish anything. The sole and entire point is to hurt America at the behest of foreign interests. Making the world hate us is the point.
Well, that, and to enrich himself and his regime.
When you hire pirates to attack a ship, you expect a little looting.
And raping
And killing.
Oh yeah it is the "foreign interests" harm you and not your own shit hole corrupt criminal settler society. You are doing this shit to yourselves because the US has always been an illegitimate genocidal settler society. You are the bad guys, stop blaming other people for your failures.
Well if you want to cast stones we learned it from corrupt criminal colonial Europeans who were doing it first. Europe is full of illegitimate genocidal settler societies. You are the bad guys. Stop blaming other people for your failures.
Sounds pretty fucking stupid right?
I am neither American nor European. Fuck Europe. It is the origin of all the most horrible shit on earth and has no right to exist and prosper on the wealth extracted from the global south.
Nuance. Two things can be true. We are doing this to ourselves, but not in a vacuum. And if you want to destroy a house, the best way isn't to send a man with a hammer, it's to give the kids inside a soccer ball and tell them their parents said "play ball!"
Countless terrible groups and people have been set loose with their own individual agendas and goals, yes, but that's as part of a greater plan whose only goal is to harm America and its interests and allies.
There's plenty of blame to share, I promise.
There is no nuance here. It is pure projection. Your shithole yank government is the one with military bases around the world and regularly destroy other countries. You are not being manipulated by Russia or foreign governments, you are being manipulated by American born and raised billionaire Nazi's that are 100% pure American. Stop blaming other people for your failings. The idea that you are under attack is pure fiction cooked up by your literally evil masters to justify their horrific politics and violence. America's interests are and have always been violence, exploitation and extraction.
There is no nuance here
A statement wise and truthful people say all the time
Thank you.
The world can still hate you more.
While not the entire list, that applies not to just MAGA but to the Democrats as well. We're ruled over by conservative parties and wealthy elite.
Know what, that's more than fair. Even inside it's getting harder to distinguish the two.
Also rapists and pedos. Murderers. Cannibals.
And do understand:
The world hates you
Before most of the world hated you but the west sort of let your bullshit slide because the net avert outcome was great for them and fairly good for the rest of the world minus those countries being butt fucked by the US for reasons.
Now? Everyone hates you, your now ex-allies included. This will not go back to normal again ever. The USA, as you've known it, is over. Resistance is futile, so to speak, as you're now living in a fascist state that likely will nosedive into a fully blown dictatorship
Whenever (between now and the next 100 or so years) the US recovers, nldo not expect the rest of the world to stand ready with their asses up so that you can go continue fucking everyone. Either the US completely rebuilds it's political system from the ground up, jails those responsible for crimes committed in this past decade of trumpism, and switches to an actual democratic system, you can go fuck yourself and play with yourself because nobody will be playing with you ever again anytime soon
And even if we will play with you, it will never again be the same. You had the world at your feet, people were pushing US economy just because, and you fucked it all up next you couldn't keep your billionaires and racists in check.
Even a quick gloss over the history of relations between the USA and Latin/America/Middle East/South East Asia will inform anyone of what sort of horrors that country has been unleashing on the world for MANY decades.
We hated you before Trump because you killed us, tortured us, and supported strongmen who did the same to us. What you are doing now is what you’ve always been doing, and what you will continue to do if given the chance. You will not stop until either the planet or all of us are dead.
No, of course not all US citizens are to blame for Trump and his fascism, but the millions who were stomped under your boots all over the world and continue to suffer are innocent as well, and what was ever done for all those victims?
Countless military dictatorships put in power with US support, peasants murdered to make way for gold mines and banana plantations, weddings cowardly drone bombed from above, torture carried out in Abu Gharaib. The terrorism has been relentless and never ending.
Your corporations and your soldiers taught us all we ever wanted to know about your country. Do us all a favor and stay within your own borders. I hope you kill your internal fascism, I really do, but what I’m more concerned about is the external fascism the rest of the world has suffered at your hands.
I have many good friends in the USA, but we all just can’t deal with that country, what it is now, and what it’s ALWAYS been. I’ve seen the destruction it has wrought with my own eyes. ICE is horrendous, but have you seen an entire town flattened by US munitions along with its civilians?
As Derick Jensen wrote about the police, why do we hate the police? Because they hated us first.
That sums up my thoughts about the relationship between the USA and the rest of the world.
Let me start by saying that as a person unlucky enough to be born in the shithole United States, I completely agree with you.
But, I do not believe that the 2024 election was legitimate. So we the actual people may or may not be responsible. Just keep that possibility in mind, and know that it is no excuse for why this bullshit continues. It's just my personal belief that the fascist oligarchs purchased this past election wholesale.
Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess
Not for nothing. Trump and his friends made butt loads of money!!! And any day that money is going to come trickling down to the average Joe just like it's supposed to... any day now.
Ahh, here it comes now! Oh wait, that's just the same sewage.
How do you have a trade surplus in a consumer society? How do people not see how stupid the trade deficit excuse is? Are Americans that uneducated?
most people dont take classes that go this deep in economy, or even economy courses. its too keep people ignorant.
So the answer is yes.
Making everyone hate USA for peanuts. Priceless
"There are some things money can't buy; for everything else, there's Mastercard"
(Mastercard is getting cut out in the EU)
Not yet, that will take some times, but I will be more than happy to use a sovereign solution.
*wero ;)
Bunch of rich dudes got slightly richer like 12 days earlier than they would otherwise tho!
Depends on if you place value on eroding progressive values or not. Say what you want about this Trump presidency, but he's emboldened bigots to act on their values, and you can't take that away from him.
Cons: some of our finest work there, even if we do say so ourselves! And we do say so!
I mean, silver lining, the dollar was never gonna remain the reserve currency forever. Now that is just gonna happen before the middle of the 21st century, rather than sometime after it.
But we’re in the middle half already
I... guess if you have one half that's 2025-2075 and another half that's comprised of the two non-contiguous quarters on either side?
If the tariffs are paid for by other countries, why aren't they like the 999%? That would surely add quintillions to the economy /s
There has got to be a long German word for the feeling which is essentially incandescent fury but at the same time sorrow/pity.
surprised pikachu face
When it's not working, it's working.
Watch who you call “we”
This way you should be on 0 in no pater than 451 years
Not hate us. Hate the walldom of USA. Big difference.
I visited one of my customers yesterday, a metal anodizing plant. Only the owner was there, he told me they had no orders to fill and that he hadn't seen anything like this since 2008
But think how much money it all made for mysterious shareholders! /s
Kamala was married to a (((supporter of Israel))). And she wasn’t super fucking gay either. So. That’s why this had to happen. Okay? And who’s to blame for it all? Thaaaat’s right! The Democrats!
All they had to do was have a fucking fair primary.
Instead they fielded a senile president and tried to pretend that was somehow better then a trump.
Both are fucking bad
And when they got caught they fielded their substitute who no one knew or cared about.
Yes I utterly blame the democrats for this fucked state of affairs because it was such a easy fucking victory. All they had do
- Support Ukraine
- Stop supplying Israel
Shit they probably could have kept going with the bullshit, albeit with ACA, private health care system and people would have still voted for them.
All they had to do was have a fucking fair primary.
Sure. This is me believing that’s “all they had to do”.
Yes I utterly blame the democrats for this fucked state of affairs
I know.
No no you're right. What's happening right now is so much better than having an Israel supporter for president. You saved the world.
No no you're right. What's happening right now is so much better than having an Israel supporter for president. You saved the world.
Yeah but the democrats weren't restraining Israel when they were in power despite clearly had the leverage (arms resupply).
They signalled to the voters they weren't holding them back. Indeed a great part of the slaughter happened under Biden watch.
If Trump wasn't around that alone would have ended Biden relection attempts.
The democrats did everything they could to find the worst postion on every single issue.
So yes I blame them when it should have been a fucking shoe in. They allowed the fascist to come to power due to their milquetoast acquiescence to their corporate and dark money benefactors.
Not to the people. They had sold out workers rights to the point where unions were bleeding out. And when a conman fascists came up claiming he would make it all better they had no way to tell people to stay the course with the democrats when the evidence was clear. Wages going down, workers rights in the fucking sewer, health issuance, housing and education across the country all trending down.
It was desperation of millions that they could neither voter for the democrats nor Trump. Which along with the republican cheating allowed them to secure the win.
And the democrat leadership is utterly lacking accountability for what they did.
Schumer, Jefferies, Pelosi, Harris, Buttigirg all knew the president was fucking senile and sick. He shouldn't have been in power much less running a relection campaign.
How they have not resigned for such a massive breach of trust is beyond me. It's fucking criminal.
And worse not pursing trump and putting him prison. Fuck me. They had every opportunity. Jesus, the man is a walking indictment. They had over 3 million files and 15 TB of videos which we know contain Trump and yet they did nothing!!
And now they won't even declare a general fucking strike.
How many more people must end up in concentration camps before they oppose Trump with everything they got????
It's true that the Democrats fucked up, but the people who chose trump over a not perfect choice are absolutely deserving of their share of the blame. Voters have agency themselves and should have been able to see what everyone else saw.
It's theoretically possible to pressure someone on our nominal side to change their stance on Israel, Trump would just laugh in our faces and increase the funding. It's not the fucking same.
No no you're right. What's happening right now is so much better than having an Israel supporter for president. You saved the world.
I mean like, the international ridicule, antagonizing your closest allies, having the government murder American citizens in the streets, the increasing inflation, the reduction of manufacturing investments. Totally worth it. At least Trump doesn't support Israel, right? That's clearly a W.