Iranian state media confirms death of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
3mon 19d ago by lemmy.ml/u/dessalines in worldnews@lemmy.ml from www.nbcnews.com
Feel free to use this a megathread for the US/Israeli war on Iran.
Fascist USA and Israel are the biggest threats to world peace. They are the axis of evil.
First two months of 2026: The US kidnaps one country's leader, murders another, and kills hundreds of civilians in two failed regime change attempts.
Death to the burger empire.
The scary part is how they succeed in their objectives. I'm still not over Maduro's kidnapping and how they pulled it off. It's freakish.
Kidnapping Maduro didn't accomplish any of their stated objectives in Venezuela. It looks like the White House didn't even confer with energy companies about the viability of expanding their oil production?! They flipped their script immediately afterwards and claimed they won. You'd have to be a doomer to believe it.
These sorts of attacks is what the US military has been investing in capacity to complete for decades. This is why there has been an investment bleeding edge tech which costs insane amounts of money to develop.
Although, it's worth noting that this was largely a stunt. The US did not have the ability to actually invade Venezuela or to topple the government.
It was indeed a stunt, keep in mind that the US spend trillions to maintain an army capable of invading other countries, it's just not convenient for them to do so.
It's more than just inconvenience. The US does not have a good track record fighting prolonged conflicts. They can destroy a country and make millions of people suffer, but they rarely achieve long term objectives.
I would argue that their long term objectives are usually achieved, USA pretty much control the whole world.
the US absolutely doesn't control the world, the war in Ukraine and recent attempt at a trade war with China is a great example of just how weak the empire really is. The US failed to subdue Russia and their attempt to cut Russia out of the global economy resulted in a separate economic system forming with increasing amount of trade happening outside western control. Now, global majority is allied with China against the empire, and hence why we see the US desperately lashing out.
The US has hit an inflection point where the cost of maintaining the empire outstrips the plunder. All the forever wars have drained critical resources, while financial capitalism moved essential production overseas. Now the US finds that it has little economic leverage, and its material base is eroded.
"The dying serpent always bites". The roman empire went out like this too, overextending itself with a lot of imperialist wars, then devolving into internal strife and instability until it hollowed out and everyone left.
Indeed, it does seem to be a consistent pattern throughout the ages. I imagine a big part of it is that the ruling class becomes increasingly disconnected from material reality, and they start making decisions based on how they think the world works rather than how it actually is.
the US absolutely doesn’t control the world
We are in a thread about US government killing the leader of a country on the other side of the world without any disturbance. No other country can do something like.
You genuinely think that Russia or China does not have the capability to do that? The difference here isn't that the US is more capable, it's that it's a rabid dog.
russia and china don't have the capability to launch a full scale attack on a country on the other side of the world. US government is able to attack iran because they have control all over the region and in between
Russia and China are nuclear superpowers, they can turn any country into glass. Meanwhile, the US isn't even able to produce weapons on its own with importing critical things like rare earths from China which the US isn't capable of producing in any significant quantity. If you think that deindustrialized shithole that's currently being outproduced by Russia militarily is a global hegemon, then I don't know what else to tell you.
North korea has nukes too, that doesn't mean they have the capability to successfully attack any county in the world and kill the leader without any repercussions. It seem like you believe russia and china are better than US empire but that doesn't automatically make them more powerful, combined the two countries doesn't spend in war as half of what US does.
Again, if you think the US attacking countries and killing their leaders is a show of strength then you're deluded. What makes China and Russia more powerful is that they have actual domestic industry, and can produce their own weapons. The US cannot do that. Meanwhile, spending a bunch of money on war just shows how inefficient the US military industrial complex is. Here's what the reality looks like https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/07/16/is-russia-producing-a-years-worth-of-nato-ammunition-in-three-months
The US is just a clown country run by senile pedophiles.
What makes China and Russia more powerful
You sound brainwashed on either russian or chinese state propaganda
The US is just a clown country run by senile pedophiles.
So are most countries
that's an amazing counterpoint there to the fact that Russia alone is outproducing all of NATO 🤣
How many artillery shell were used to kill Ali Khamenei? You sound like a propagandist arguing that north korea army is the strongest in the world because they outproduce everyone in bayonets.
The Burger Reich isn't much better at producing missiles than it is at producing artillery shells. Perhaps you don't understand that artillery shells are much easier to produce than missiles, and if you can't even produce the former you have no hope of producing the latter in any quantity?
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/25/iran-weapons-trump-troops-defense-00797801
You sound like an utter ignoramus.
If you argue that the burger reich doesn't have the capability to invade a country you are ignoring what is happening just right now and you are downplaying the threat. US government isn't running out of munitions, a prolonged Iran war could lower their stockpiles to a level that could make the country more vulnerable (war industry propaganda to boost military spendings)
The US is absolutely running out of munitions. The reality is that the US lacks the industrial base to keep up with the rate of use. Industry accounts for mere 9.5% of the economy. Steel production in the US is barely higher than Russia, and the US is unable to produce stuff like rare earths on its own. People seem to buy into the mythology the US has created around itself, but numbers don't lie.
"According to a deep dive by defense writer Mike Fredenberg, along with all the other diminished capacity, the standard missile (SM-3) variant was down 33% "
Their definition of being low on munitions is that they don't have enough to win ww3.
Again, given the rate of use of these missiles, it's quite clear they can't keep this up for long. Each intercept takes at least two missiles, and production rate is nowhere close to the use rate. Thousands of missiles might sound like a lot, but that's really a few months supply.
The day they stop dropping bombs is the day they are actually running out of these
Let's see what happens in a month.
That is literally because they don't have the missile range. I also assume they have far less warheads stockpiled.
Failed to subdue Russia
Russia's own corrupt ineptitude did that one mate. Russia should have taken Ukraine in days and its been years. They have not even gotten Zelenskyy.
And it was never a direct conflict with the US.
Your ability to regurgitate propaganda is impressive. Yet, it shows utter lack of capacity for critical thinking. Only an utter imbecile could think that a proxy war with NATO would last for days. And why would they go after Zelensky, what would that accomplish exactly?
The scary part is how they succeed in their objectives.
US government spends more than a trillion dollar on war each year.
the military fully backed him thats why, not like donald planed it out, they did under his general order. that and kidnaping moduro hasn't really changed the country much after hes gone.
The real battle happens before any shots are fired.
Weed turns you into a bot if you don't take breaks #nothatingjustsaying
Death to the burger empire.
You'd be surprised how long dead ideas live
Can they really be a “threat” when they’re actively killing people all over the world?
Yeah, more accurately they are the active enemies of world peace.
No. Most of what Russia does on the world stage is good, it is one of the biggest supporters of many global south countries and one of the few remaining bulwarks preventing US imperialism from running completely roughshod over the global south. For example right now, see Cuba and how Russia is providing support and oil as the US tries to starve them of energy and starve them to death. You may have been taught Putler=Voldemort, but no, Russia at this point is acting largely as a force for good in the world.
When they stop murdering children in Ukraine, which they can do literally any time they want, then I'll be more inclined to believe you.
We live in your head rent free huh.
And no, our ideas aren't simply "x is bad", without violent resistance we'd have slavery, white women would be chained to the kitchen, workers would have never got a 40h work week, etc. We don't have a consensus on Russia and many will defend it harder because it's funny to piss off people like you, but Russia is nowhere near as bad as the US, and we wouldn't have modern Russia if it weren't for the US as well.
Look at the numbers of people killed just by western sanctions alone, it's over half a million a year. The US has removed democratically elected leaders too many times, like Salvador Allende in Chile or even Mosaddegh. They're starving Cuba RIGHT NOW. But I guess unless mainstream media tells you our lives matter you just don't care.
So yeah, slander us all you want, but we're nothing if not ideologically consistent.
We can play this game forever, my point is that I don't believe you really care about our lives in the global south, considering you seem to ignore that the vast majority of conflicts involving Russia wouldn't have manifested without western imperialism. We lose people all the time through sanctions and regime changes and IMF imposed austerity. We don't celebrate Ukrainian civilians dying, the war that common Ukrainians no longer want to fight won't end as long as the west refuses a deal.
You're losing and you know it
LMFAO
Hmm yes I think I will remove the respected leader that opposed Iran having a nuclear weapons program. 👀
The martyr is immortal, so what exactly does the US think it's going to accomplish here?
That was widely expected to die soon of natural causes anyway
In a society that reveres martyrdom above all else 🤔
I feel like its a goal of the MIC as it gives them a reason to exist. Use violence, terror, kill civilians to create more enemies and justify more military spending.
Not a good long term strategy, but the orphan crushing machine still has people willing to operate it.
The US generally benefits from depopulating & undeveloping resource rich or strategically marginal areas for coercion, keeping costs down, denial purposes, or just to keeping value chains stable, but this risks blowing up the petrodollar system. I think they might actually be completely insane. What did WarClaude™ tell them?
W.O.C.R. War Operation Claude Response
You forgot the last bit, when we've fucked the whole world up escape to bunker.
Well they created isis last time they displayed their level of stupidity. This time... Super isis?
Yes the goal is 100% super-ISIS they wanted to get this going in Xinjiang and Central Asia. ISIS is actually smart here's the thing. The US benefits from having a higher level of productivity due to advanced technology, and basically cannot survive without laying waste to entire regions to keep them underdeveloped + access resources.
Read Value Chains it's great https://annas-archive.li/md5/0ca2108287828ca6508816b7ecbe9a3e
profit. it’s always about profit.
They also bombed and killed several members of his family, including his daughter, granddaughter, and son in law.
The Greatest Satan. Thanks for confirming, comrade. I don't believe USA/Isntrael without confirmation from non-liars.
No probs, same. If it's a "trump says" source, then it's immediately sus and we need at least a confirmation from the other side.
Khamenei was the main reason Iran did not develop nuclear weapons up to now. With him gone, that becomes a much more likely scenario.
How?
Khamenei issued a religieus ruling against developing nukes
But they were still enriching uranium covertly. How's that?
Nuclear power?
Having enough 60% enriched uranium to make a thermonuclear bomb if they change the ruling ≠ weaponizing their nuclear program
Because Iran wasn't a dictatorship.
It had factions.
You know how Iran was always months away from nukes? It was. That was the hard liner faction who believed that only nukes would ensure Iran's safety wanting to be able to quickly have one if the fatwa was removed.
Did you not know this? If not, you should stop watching/reading the new sources that didn't tell you this widely available information. They're not new sources but propaganda sources.
Because Iran wasn't a dictatorship.
It had factions.
Isn't ayatollah the supreme leader?
Isn't the president the executive branch?
Jesus Christ, do you have any critical thinking skills?
As far as I know, ayatollah is entitled to command all leaders of all branches.
That's why he's called the supreme leader.
It's not true?
Stop ignoring everything else I wrote you fucking propaganda poisoned jackass.
Stop being unnecessarily rude.
Also: am I right in my point about ayatollah supremacy?
No, you're not.
You're arguing by title to ignore the points made like a sophist. That is explicitly rude, while trying to pretend it isn't.
Bad faith responses deserve nothing other than the reflection of the rudeness they project.
I think we disagree.
By the way, I'm from Russia, and we have our own "totally not authoritarian" head of just one branch of government.
And the ayatollah - he's effectively the head of all branches, while also having religious authority. It's very hard to see any democracy here.
We don't disagree. You are factually wrong. I'm not saying that it isn't an authoritarian state. It absolutely is.but the simple fact of the matter is that the Ayatollah isn't involved most decisions. His power mostly came into play with selecting who could run in their elections, which absolutely are real with the opposing sides running having significant political differences.
Did he get to set the goal posts for their parties? Yes, absolutely, and that isn't a full on true democracy. But the Iranian civilians have far far more say in their government than a civilian Russian, for example.
Moreover, you're debating all of this shit in ignorance to move the topic away from the fact the Iran didn't have nukes SOLELY because the leader was religiously opposed to them. The religious leader the US and Israeli's killed. While proving that they are unreliable negotiators.
The only rational view at this point for the average Iranian is to demand nukes.
You told me that Iran was covertly enriching uranuim , despite the will of ayatollah, because there are factions in Iran.
If that's your point, then I disagree with you, because of all the power ayatollah had. I think he knew, if not ordered it.
(By the way, I'm not defending the USA & Israel war intervention. Nor am I enamoured with Iranian leadership.)
It's pretty apparent you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, and I'm not going to waste any more time.
Try reading stuff from sources other that what you are, it's not serving you well.
Results of the imperialist aggression:
An 86 year old dead
150 school children vaporized
Regime is still there
American bases in the zone turned to rubble
Strait of hormuz closed
86 year old AND 2 subsequent generations of his bloodline - his daughter and his granddaughter
Will the americans ever tire of all this winning?
Not dead, martyrized.
Whelp.
He was 86. I don’t know to what extent he was still in charge. It may have been anywhere from still fully in charge to just a figurehead.
Rest in peace. May the US Empire and its dogs crumble.
He's probably resting in pieces, not peace.
Go back to reddit
That psychotic demon netanyahu needs to be sent back to Lucifer.
Seeing rumors that he is. The hypersonic missile wave was targetting a bunker he was believed to be in.
Still just rumors though.
EDIT: sadly, he is alive.
The first thing to die in war is the truth.
Truth and more than 80 elementary school girls.
Of course, but it wouldn't make sense to lie about this, either way he was a 86 year old, and I'm not going to pretend that the Iranian regime was a paragon of freedom.
That regime has been practicing for this very day for DECADES. They have plans B, C, D, E, F, and G on the books.
In this case, truth primarily in the form of marriage advice. Have you seen his actual posts?
No. Enlighten me, please.
Hard to grab good examples in the current state of his Telegram/Twitter/etc. apart from the famous ones like "woman is a flower" and the ones about never ever being mean to your wife (man was a great strategist). This is the vibe though:
I have some older articles saved regarding misconceptions about Iranians having the ISIS misogyny thing going on. Great examples in there. I will dig those up and ping you when I post them. Also should repost stuff like Booker Omole's thoughts on their revolution.
Those are really sweet spirited. I wonder how he was IRL.
Edit also thank you. Sorry. They made me want to cry.
They really are, when I checked out the discussion group for his official Telegram chat, the stuff people were posting surprised me because it was all flower-themed, intensely so. Pink and red petals everywhere. Of course currently it is very death to America but the aesthetic for that is on point as well:
I saw that. Extremely appropos.
Who knows. Lots of people who do bad things can be personable, it's one of the many weird things about humans.
Bad things like delaying the development of a thermonuclear anti-Tel Aviv device. For sure for sure
More nukes are never good and the fact that rearming is on the table for most nations shows how awful the general state of international relations is. Obviously the biggest culprit for the state of affairs is the United State.
This is antiquated cold war nuke mysticism. We have seen with the Ukraine conflict that both sides having nukes closes off higher escalation options (which is good because the conflict is more contained and the U.S. is afraid to do quite as much direct, open terrorism not under Ukraine's own flag). We have seen the DPRK stay safe and snug while RoK repeatedly tears their pedophile dictators apart in the streets for sport. Why shouldn't we all have nukes? I can make a better argument to my government than you can make to me. 😁
You want to denuclearize. Okay, I want a classless society. You want to know how we get there? Global one party nuclearized state.
Don't need to waste my time talking to you because you like arguing not using dialectics to come to a new and better conclusion you're more concerned with owning your opponents (in the truest sense of the word) than building a better a better world, you're a symptom of the system you live in.
Under the current circumstances encouraging people to get nukes should be a priority for their survival, since the US is not going to let them develop a civilian nuclear program anyways! Whether or not this is "bad" morally to you or it makes you scared is frankly irrelevant to me so I'm sorry if I didn't respond on exactly the same terms. I'm trying to be constructive I promise mostly kinda and a little joking around. Let off some steam. Bro thinks he is Hegel
I will add you probably live in a country with nukes and I don't, which might explain my sense of urgency here! Maybe not just going based off fediverse stats
Do I need to add why countries nuclearizing is important for dealing with climate change?
Dialectical materialism is unconcerned with morality, I don't like nukes either, they freak me out, but if having some is necessary for people to not be terrorized then my feelings don't matter.
Huh what mine?
No I mean the cleric
Liberals truly believe Great Man Theory
It's sort of a core part of their shield, if great man theory wasn't true they'd have to reckon with the global structures of terror they support instead of just blaming putler and the orange man while screaming vote blue no matter who.
So the US has taken action against two heads of state in two months, and the rest of the world is not at all worried?
I mean, if fair is fair, this should be a free-for-all, so I'd be all for Netanyahu, Bbukele and Putin going up in smoke next.
They are worried, but most of them are maintaining tenuous comprador regimes where their ruling classes' finances are firmly linked to the imperial core
Trump's safe in your book?
He has to at least answer for his pedophilia before he goes up in smoke. And besides, forget the smoke, I want to see him under the guillotine, his head framed as an example of What Not To Do.
His owners will get rid of him when he is no longer useful. At the moment he is the clown face emoji they all sign themselves off with
Well war over now right? Trump said the goal was regime change. We'll mission accomplished. Right?
In the model of Venezuela as long as the actual top leader isn't in charge anymore, it's regime change.
It's a "win" & a "peace".
The regime is not one person not to say that trump would not find more excuses if the regime really fall
If it is in Venezuela why not Iran?
what do you mean. Venezuela regime is still in place
Exactly, so what would be different about Iran is what I mean
because Iran is the biggest threat to Israel colonial ambition and they do not want another 1979
They are not still in place, they buckled and gave America huge concessions that will not serve them long term.
If Iran's new leadership says "we won't attack Israel again, we'll stop developing weapons to protect ourselves and will only purchase American weapons from now on" that's when you know the regime changed.
Iran is like syria not Venezuela. If the regime ever change they will destroy all what is left of the Iranian military capability, arms more iranians factions to fight other factions and occupy part of Iran
Yes, I agree totally. I wasn't saying that's likely to happen in Iran, I was simply pointing out that Venezuela did have a regime change, a silent coup. The vice president publicly took over and released political prisoners and started cooperating with the CIA and with the US on Venezuela's energy.
They actually let him stay in his house? Did they want him as a martyr or something?
He was 86 years old and dying. I'd want to stay in my own house too
At that point he might have just wanted to go out on his own terms, and martyred by the USA are great terms to go out on by his ideology. I wouldn't be surprised if this strengthens the resolve of the true believers.
He was just chilling and celebrating Ramadan with his family and did not allow them to interrupt him with mere words, this was his choice.
Americans love bravado. This will be millions of Republican votes.
Watch them lose their fucking minds when the price of gas goes up.
Gas is expensive. Life is cheap.
Wait for the market to open
I made the mistake of flipping through MSN headlines last night when I went to bed. The first mention if USA invasion of Iran was a Barrons article about what it meant for energy portfolios.
Ya I kinda knew it, I don't think Israel would risk the embarrassment of being wrong.
They're wrong with regularity
Yes, but I didn't think they would lie about this in particular. It would be to embarrassing to be wrong about this.
They lied several times about just this with a previous leader lol
There was enough confusion that Reuters initially walked it back while the death of his family members was confirmed.
Yeah but I just had a gut feeling this time 🤷♂️
Lol they just chew up car cables. Which I approve of
This is literally fascism.
I have no idea what you're talking about. The Iran? USA? Israel?
And why is it fascism? Like a lot of what has happened in the USA was pretty fascist, but starting a war isn't part of the list. There are a few definitions of fascism (e.g. by Adorno), so which one are you using here?
What do you mean, I'm really confused here.
Iran, or the US and Israel killing Khamenei?
Define fascism
Oh true I'm so aggro rn. I was thinking like the lib conception of having a charismatic leader = personality cult = fascism. I really do love having that argument too much
Humanity
Naw it's more fun to get historical with it
The people of Iran are rallying around Khamenei for being martyred, and Maduro was democratically elected and supported by the majority. You have a very western viewpoint.
Maduro was democratically elected and supported by the majority.
Forgive my ignorance, but didn't Maduro ban opposition party leaders from campaigning against him?
I'm not saying or agreeing with the orange man, what he did was wrong. It's not our place to intervene in other countries, but this is what I've heard everywhere.
Haven't seen anything like that, but it wouldn't surprise me if western-backed orgs were targeted.