In 2022, the American Medical Association called for a permanent end to Daylight Savings Time, citing negative effects on health
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I hope everyone who wants to be on permanent DST experiences an eternity of the first day of spring forward, never rested again
Daylight Saving Time just needs to be completely eradicated, it makes no sense in the modern day. The problem is that you have this disagreement over "which" time should be the default, either standard time or daylight time (which Canada/the US spend more of the year in than not).
IMO it should just be standard time, emphasis on the word "standard". If you want more daylight hours in the evening for events and such, just start things an hour earlier.
It’s also dependent on where you live. Someone living on the easternmost part of a time zone is going to tend to want DST over standard as compared to someone living on the westernmost part. I live in the easternmost part of the Eastern US time zone and I’d pick DST if I had the choice.
East Coast, standard time please.
4:30 sunrise in June just feels wrong to me.
Tbf, 5:00 sunset on standard time is not ideal for me either. But a lot more acceptable than having to suddenly adjust sleep because capitalists want to make more money.
The more I think about it, 8 am sunrise if we did permanent DST in late Dec/early January would be shit too. We should just split the difference, lol
I'm okay with that!
Arizona is used to it. When I drove through in July I swear the sun es already high at 4
You get used it it. Somehow the majority of the world where DST isn't observed has no problem with an earlier sunrise. Makes it easier to be a "morning" person, if anything.
Makes it easier to be a "morning" person, if anything.
Morning people already get enough perks. Why do I want to help those judgemental pricks?
Because if you want to help them, you give them DST, so the sun can rise an hour into their day. DST literally delays the progress of morning and makes more of it, it makes you get up an hour earlier in the morning.
"East Coast" doesn't provide enough information. If you look at a map of America and draw a straight line south from the western end of Massachusetts, it doesn't really touch another state at all, just the ocean. What really needs to happen is that the Northeast needs to be in a different time zone, and then we stick to standard time. But as it is now, it really sucks being in EST in the winter in the northeast, which is why so many of us prefer permanent DST, when given the choice without the option of being in a different time zone.
Split the time zones in half and offset them by an hour.
I'm sure everyone's bosses will be accommodating
Abolish bosses
It's so they can make more money more people die because of time changes, anyway.
Fun fact: in the mid '70s the US attempted to go to full year daylight savings time. It was so hated by everyone that we switched back to switching our clocks after very few years
Go into detail about what the problems were and why everyone hated it.
People with school aged children were upset that their children were leaving for school in the dark.
People had more accidents in the morning (but accidents in the afternoon and evening hours decreased, especially pedestrian fatalities.
They didn't even try it out for a prolonged period of time and a lot of that had to do with the Watergate scandal and the Nixon presidency.
Also the health benefits of switching to Standard time and doing away with DST would work with permanent DST too. The major health problems that are caused by the current model have to do with altering the bodies internal clock, and you get the benefits of not having to change regardless of whether we choose permant Standard time or permanent DST.
For reference purposes, car accidents spike significantly after DST ends, not just when it starts.
I think the main issue with their attempt in the 70's is that they didn't try to change the hours of school and work to make things more workable. We didn't do that because it would have forced major industries to shift things and that seemed like too much work.
This would make things safer in general and fix sleep deprevation and other sleep related maladies in the vast majority of people who aren't morning people.
And having more natural light during the waking hours decreases the amount of electricity used, can decrease heating and cooling bills, etc.
People complain about the idea (either moving permanent to standard time or morning permanently to DST) literally based on vibes. Nobody seems to give it a chance with actual changes to make it work for any length of time.
I'm also going to point out that a lot of the problem full stop is that Americans just do not have significant amounts of free time.
I wasn't actually alive at the time, thanks for those details! I didn't know why they hated it, just that they must have to have switched back so fast.
Yeah, I also wasn't alive (I know most of it from my parents and the internet, but I've also had this conversation on the other place before.
I get the reasons why people like one or the other. I wake up at 3 am for work 5 days a week and I work 10 hour days so my feelings on the matter will be skewed no matter what, but it always seems like a majority of people want to go to standard DST when it's a hypothetical and there's not a good general consensus for why they switch back if it is tried.
I believe Mexico (might be another South American country), did have it and they swapped back due to the "health benefits" but it seems like a lot of the studies around day lights savings time as a whole are relying on supposition and don't have a long term study for the actual effects.
Some studies show more car accidents, some show less, some show nuance. some studies show better or more economical use of utilities like water and rlectro, some show the opposite, or that there is no change.
Some studies show health benefits but those studies assume we don't change sleeping schedules and so on to accommodate/ take advantage of more light, and often the health detriments are based on swapping back and forth twice a year.
Most of this comment I made after reading more articles on it rather than going off memory from the last time I had this conversation, and so what I say here may not necessarily match up with what's in the original comment.
If I remember I'll try to go back up and change that comment to better reflect the new info.
People have serious health effects because of DST, too
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2023/7-things-to-know-about-daylight-saving-time
You should read more into this. The detrimental health effects aren't linked to going permantly to DST, but from switching back and forth between DST and standard time.
It seems to be worse to spring forward, is the point. It doesn't align with the most prevalent circadian rhythm in humans, although there are exceptions. I guess those people are just sol regardless, which is regrettable.
You don't have to report back to me that you read more on the subject.
But if you are going to do that, please go back and more thoroughly read what I actually said in previous comments. It seems like you might have missed part of my point.
It was for your benefit, not mine. I read it yesterday.
Because a single news story about a single child being hit by a car on the walk to school was blown out of proportion and played on everyone's fears. Kids don't walk to school anymore.
Kids don't walk to school anymore
What am I passing when I drive home every afternoon? Geese?
You are passing what's called "an anecdotal argument".
OP didn't back up their assertion with data. They don't see kids; I do see kids. It's all anecdotal.
Quick searching shows a CDC survey from 2017 estimating that a little over 15% of American kids walk to school. More recent data would require more time to find than I have right now, but even if it's as low as 1 in 10 now, that's still not nothing.
I'm interested to know what the percentage was throughout time.
Well if it is in the afternoon then you are seeing them walk home from school.
my wife and i only have one car because y'know poverty and i drive her to and from work once or twice a week because it's nice. we're going to start calling any pedestrian children Geese now because of you I love it.
Permanent DST would be so stupid.
What is "noon" or "solar noon" under DST? Solar noon is supposed to be the time when the sun is at its peak. AM and PM come from ante meridiem and post meridiem, which are basically "before the sun's peak" and "after the sun's peak". But, under DST the peak is at approx 1pm. So, will saying "I'll meet you at noon" still mean 12pm? Probably, but then "solar noon" will be 1pm but "noon" will be 12am?
If the whole reason behind considering permanent DST that they think the 9-5 schedule of office life is impossible to change? This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.
This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.
That's why we have been continuing to change clocks twice a year, because apparently that's easier than changing the time children go to school.
If you're only argument is "the sun should be directly up at noon" then we are going to need a lot more time zones.
Yeah, arguing definitions vs what's actually practical is a new one for me in the DST discussion. Just goes to show you that people would rather appear right than do what's useful.
I'm not only argument.
I also prefer solar noon, but standard time is close enough, and I already said I'm fine with splitting the difference.
Let’s have a lot more time zones then.
No, let's do away with all time zones, everyone's on GMT. Noon stops meaning 12:00 and just means when the sun is directly up in your time zone.
If that means for you noon is 2AM, you start work at 11PM and are off at 7AM, usually going to bed at 1PM when it's well and dark out so be it. You don't have to change your clock when you travel, places just say "Local noon is 8PM".
No, let's do away with all currency, everyone's on gold. $1 stops meaning 100 cents and just means whatever the hell it does in the area you’re in.
Ask the railroads how not having time zones turned out.
Nobody schedules things around solar noon you psycho.
Old timey western shootouts. You shoot each other at high noon not waning noon.
DST is best T.
Non-starter, according to DST sickos they need that extra hour of daylight to be at a higher number on the clock because of all the stuff they do. As if they weren't sitting on their asses on the couch 99% of the time either way.
I don’t need the sun to come up at 4:30 in the morning during the summer, and I am a pretty skilled runner. I’m just not a morning person.
People rarely have their bleary eyed shit together before 9am anyway, best save the sun time for off hours.
Hospital and factory workers first shift usually starts at 6:00-7:00.
To work indoors.
Then don't be. It doesn't change the fact that it's completely arbitrary when you get up.
I wish I got to set the schedule to everything in my life
You could just make the numbers be whatever you want if that's what you need to feel good about the time.
Again, I don’t get to set my own schedule, they’re determined by these numbers that while arbitrary, are rigid. Drop a kid off an hour late to school every day and have fun explaining that to a truancy officer, or tell your boss you’re leaving work an hour early to catch some sunlight and see how that goes.
So drop them off at the same time, but just call it 8 instead of 7. Or is it more important to force everyone else to be on the same arbitrary number as you?
It’s not about the arbitrary number, it’s about where the sun is when that number not dictated by me rolls around.
So it's more important to you that everyone else uses your favorite numbers. Got it.
It appears to me you don’t got it, but the stakes couldn’t be lower so it is what it is
Seems very important to you that the arbitrary number go the other way instead. Same argument applies.
I don't give a fuck which way it goes, just pick one and stick with it.
They could just say school and business hour is at 8 instead of 9 from an arbitrary date and have the same effect.
Nah, it’s about outside time. Not being in my garden, on my porch, or just outside in general because it’s dark at 5pm is depressing.
Then get up an hour earlier. I personally can't relate to feeling depressed because it's dark out, like a bird having a blanket put over its cage, but I do enjoy the longer, cooler evenings with less UV.
No. Mornings feel like being on the wrong side of the sun.
Just change your circadian rhythms to match morning people's. Also do cocaine
I'd love an alarm clock that only wakes you once the sun has crossed the meridian, like how navies used to only change the calendar day once they'd turned the glass and struck the bell at high noon.
I don't know, last time I had a barbecue at 5am no one showed up.
I don't care which way they go. Hell, split the difference and move us to a 30 minute offset if you can't make up your minds. Just stop changing the bloody clocks twice a year. Please!
If only there was a standard.
This is the way.
Step one: agree that fucking with the clocks is really stupid and codify it into law
Step two: start arguing about which time zone is the “right one”
If you try to do both at the same time, step two prevents both
No! Split the difference the other way! Make us jump two hours! Show us all how detrimental daylight savings is! Burn motherfucking greenwich to the ground! Or at least let me get some sleep!
Split the time zones in half and offset them by 45-60 minutes.
EXACTLY what I always say.
Oh my state passed a law abolishing it but the federal government stopped it. You want to know why? You want to know the stupid reason why the federal government won't abolish daylight savings? Because polling indicates that half of the people want it gone forever and everybody else wants it there forever.
They literally can't decide whether to always have the clock one way or the other, so we get to split the difference. I don't fucking care. Just pick one and stick with it. Everybody has electric lights anyway, it's the 21st century, we need to move on from this 1700s bullshit.
Counterpoint: the people who want it there forever should just be told that's what we're doing, they'll be back to licking windows before they realize the difference.
I'd settle for the half hour
Exactly, most of us don't care but there are jobs where it matters, so go with what's best for them. Construction maybe? Either way, we don't need majority opinion here.
Then change the hours of the jobs, not the clocks.
That fucks with everything else though, eg childcare.
Great, with scientific evidence backing this we are fucked for ever getting this changed. What we really need is a rising passively racist influencer to get behind the idea to get any support in 2026.
Yep, we'll probably increase it to 6x a year in retaliation for those eggheads trying to tell us what to do. That'll show'em.
Better yet hopefully we can get a child rapist or two to support ending dst then Trump will mandate it via executive order
"The Hyperborean Medical Association recommends an end to DST as Vril and testosterone are both depressed if noon isn't at 12:00 on the equinox"
I've also heard from a very reliable source that when children have their sleep disrupted by an hour they are more likely to turn gay.
I honestly don't care if we choose permanent standard time or DST. Either one would be better than having to switch twice a year. I'll even propose a compromise: we can try one for a year, try the other for the next year, and see which one works better.
Not doing either because we can't agree on which one should be permanent seems like the worst option.
In the us your state can choose to do standard time anytimeiit wants. Daylight savings time is allowed in summer only so it is a federal issues and thus much harder to get passed.
I say we just split the middle. Change the clock by 30 minutes instead of an hour and then just keep it there.
I live so far up north that in the winter the sun rises around noon and sets two hours later.
I literally could not care less which time zone I’m in, the position of the sun has zero effect on my life.
We really should just move to permanent standard time, and judging by some of the opinions to the contrary that I'm seeing in this thread, everyone who hates that should either be given a dispensation to move their work shift and bed time back an hour or be placed on a psychiatric hold.
everyone who hates that should either be given a dispensation to move their work shift and bed time back an hour or be placed on a psychiatric hold.
Isn't the reverse just as true for people who hate being on DST permanently?
No, because their opinion, in differing from mine, is objectively incorrect.
I've never seen your face but I'm guessing it's extremely punchable
Yeah whatever dude, more like fellatio basis
don't let trump see this. he will add two extra DST switches per year and rename it
Well they don't call it Donald Savings Trump for nothing. What better way to honor the god emperor than sacrificing time itself in his name?
(I gagged a bit just typing this, I'm sorry)
Make daylight great again
Who makes money off of Daylight Savings Time?
I don't know, but I know someone is making a fortune off of it somehow and I want to know who. It's the only explanation
The real question is, how can the rich make money off of changing this? As soon as someone figures that out, I'm sure it will change.
Whoever has a business full of hourly employees that are working during 1-3am and lose an hour of pay.
ughh, I lost an hour of pay working as a security guard to this kind of thinking a while back.
"Oh, we'll just make up for it in 6 months."
God yes. I don't even care which side of DST we land on. As long as we stop changing the damn clock.
Daylight Saving Time (not Savings). Most people get this wrong and I'm not sure why.
Who give a shits?
Intentionally, to bother people who are persnicks about it
I do that alot.
I'm also apart of the annoyance community.
OK hear me out.
Pedants, not persnicks.
No, persnicks. You know how you're behaving.
Just changing it to noun form, you have a savings account not saving account. Coupons bring you savings on purchases.
We pretty much just use the word saving for computer files, healthcare when saving a life, and fictional heroes. I guess most people don't think of it as an action to save daylight.
RFK Jr recommends sun lamps during the non-savings hours. Particularly on the arsehole.
I’m pretty sure RFK sleeps under sun lamps, that’s why he looks the way he does.
It’s because he’s cold blooded
We should just turn our clocks back to 2019.
The good old days, when the fire hose would occasionally turn off and we could breathe and participate in folksy traditions like complaining about the clocks.
So go in earlier
sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.
That sounds like the talk of a morning person. Bastard. Where'd you find them?
What? It's the other way around you know. Standard time means you rise with the sun, daylight savings means you rise an hour before it.
honestly i only see dawn from the wrong end these days. sleep deprivation sucks
We can't help being this way
bring me coffee and all is forgiven
As someone who lived in a country with DST and now living in a country without it, it's honestly such a pleasure never having to worry about losing or gaining an hour at an arbitrary time of the year.
As someone who hangs out online with people who don't do DST, it's really annoying to have to re-learn each-other's schedules twice a year. Although that's nowhere near as bad as when I lived in a country with DST and worked with people in the southern hemisphere who also did DST. It would mean that at some times of the year, 9am for us was 5pm for them, so a short meeting was fine. But, other times 9am was 7pm. And then there were the weeks where 9am was 6pm because one side had gone DST and the other side hadn't yet ended it.
Even worse, the logs system at the company timestamped everything in silicon valley wall-clock time, so there were 3 different time zones at play, which all changed at different times.
Really, I think eventually we'll all be on some kind of global time system. So, if I say the meeting is at stardate 1230.2 nobody has to convert to their own local clock.
UTC is a thing, commonly used by people who play Eve Online
Yeah, but it's not widely used by anyone other than computer geeks. Not surprised that there's a big crossover between computer geeks and spreadsheet pilots.
And military. Yeah, that's pretty accurate.
The military uses UTC? Not for regular timekeeping I'm guessing.
Military and IT are overrepresented in EVE.
Ah, I see.
I love daylight savings. I count the minutes until it returns. I think it should be permanent, for health reasons.
It absolutely doesn't matter. What matters is not changing.
The research is in, permanent standard time is healthier.
Edit for the doubters
sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.
They are morons. Because the day didn't change, only the marker did. So stupid.
Who are you saying are morons here? The doubters or the sleep experts?
The sleep "experts". Complete bullshit. They could say changing the time causes an issue, but this shift daylight earlier is complete bullshit.
- Because daylight is constantly changing. Millions of people will get nearly an hour more daylight this month alone, because thats the way the earth works. It is rapid increase in the spring, and rapid decrease in the fall.
- Time is artificial. Call it 3 in morning, call it 10 in the morning. It doesn't matter. A person can get up when ever they want. Their rhythm can dictate it, not the clock.
Morons.
Pick one or the other, but don't change the time. Either choice is equally as good, there is NO difference.
Think of this way, it's healthier to rise with the sun. That's how we've evolved for billions of years.
It's unhealthy to rise an hour before the sun. It's unnatural.
Call it 3 in morning, call it 10 in the morning.
??? It's not what we call it. It's when the sun actually rises. Like it or not we've arranged our society to start at 8 am (or 9 am in some places), so no we can't get up whenever we want.
And you do understand our circadian rythyms are connected to the sun right? The sun dictates our rhythms, not the other way around.
Think of this way, it’s healthier to rise with the sun.
Lots of places don't have sun at all, or have little sun in the winter. People cannot get up with the sun. Again, the earth is constantly changing what that means, and also varies alot based on where you live.
Like it or not we’ve arranged our society to start at 8 am
No. No we haven't. People do things at all hours. Also, see the point above.
And you do understand our circadian rythyms are connected to the sun right? The sun dictates our rhythms, not the other way around.
Ok, so get up when that happens if you want. It has NOTHING to do with the arbitrary time we assign to a clock. The day does NOT care what number we assign to it.
Lots of places don’t have sun at all,
So your argument is that because extremes exist, fuck everyone on the planet? Like what kind of logic is that?
eople do things at all hours.
So your argument is that because extremes variations exist, fuck everyone on the planet? Like what kind of logic is that?
Ok, so get up when that happens if you want.
What? Like I said, we've arranged our society around 8 am. The vast vast vast vast vast majority of people have no choice in the matter.
Honestly I'm not sure you understand that we have (had?) aligned our time schedule to the sun. Daylight savings shifts that time schedule to be OUT of schedule to our sun. Yes the numbers themselves are arbitrary, but we have (had?) actually sceduled it to align with the sun. And it is daylight savings that wants to shift that so that we effectively have to get up an hour earlier because work/school starts at 8 am and doesn't change.
They are not extremes. It is different at different latitudes, be quite a bit. However the extremes prove the point.
we’ve arranged our society around 8 am.
No we haven't, sorry. There are plenty of people who would say that is 6. Plenty of people who would say that is 9.
Again, go look at what happens at different latitudes and times of year. You will see that this argument that there is a morning by the sun that is universal and stays the same all year round fails.
Shifting the arbitrary number does not change that. Their argument is complete nonsense.
Lol no sun is an extreme.
Yeah at this point you're just in denial about how the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast, vast to the 10 power live. This is just like the extremes thing, you seem to want to take the idea that since extremes exist, in this case that some people have different schedules, then everything for everyone everywhere goes out the window and everything everywhere is arbitrary and made up and doesn't matter.
Shifting the arbitrary number
Again, we are not shifting a number. Daylight savings effectively means we have to wake up an hour earlier because yes we've arranged our society for 8 am.
Honestly I'm gonna peace out. The longer this goes the clearer it's a case of Dunning Kruger.
An hour earlier and the daylight they receive is different all over the planet depending on the time of the year.
You really should stop and think about what I am trying to tell you. This is not too difficult to understand. Think about time zones even, the people on the boarder at some places have very different times the sun is up. Look at a daylight map of the latitude and year times.
But most importantly: I went and looked at the paper and the intent: Their argument is that we should quit changing. They just picked one. It could be the other one, it makes no difference, they just want it to stop changing. As any rational human should.
Ok I said I was going to peace out, but unfortunately I have to return.
But most importantly: I went and looked at the paper and the intent: Their argument is that we should quit changing. They just picked one. It could be the other one, it makes no difference, they just want it to stop changing. As any rational human should.
From the article:
move permanently to standard time.
Standard time.
sleep experts say that standard time (which shifts daylight hours earlier in the morning) aligns best with human circadian biology.
Standard time.
But research shows permanent daylight saving time overlooks potential health risks that can be avoided by establishing permanent standard time instead,”
Standard time.
That means you are illiterate.
Please consider this in the future before tellling everyone they are wrong. Peace.
So you read nothing I wrote. You also read an article. I went and read papers and the publication. Which by the way is more of a report and a summary than a peer reviewed study.
The thrust of the publications is: quit changing the time.
The time they landed on (again I think they are morons for the reasons I explained) is they think it is likely to benefit more people, but not everyone. When taking into account all other factors, including time zones, yearly changes of the earth, latitudes, there is no one size fits all, it just MAY fit slightly better.
Yeah, you probably should just quit talking to me, because it seems no matter how much evidence I provide, you are just going to fall back to arguing about it.
Good odds they’re only asking day shift.
What kind of response is that? Night shift workers are a miniscule minority and fucked either way anyway.
Evening/swing shift.
Same response. Like what are you thinking? Fuck over 99% of people for 1%? Correction the 1% is still fucked either way. So it's fuck over everyone for no particular reason.
People who know about that than you do say you're wrong, and what's more important, I say your opinion isn't valid, so that's pretty much putting it to bed there.
You must be a morning person.
I'm not, I hate mornings.
That's because you're a hateful person with no joy in your life.
No u
How can anyone not love a long walk as the sun rises? Dawn is excellent and it's only rival for best time is dusk.
This reinforces permanent standard time. I'd rather have kids going to school with the sunrise than hanging around waiting for the bus in the darkness an hour before sunrise.
Ok, then we change when school is
Good idea, and then let's start cutting cake into twice as many slices so we can eat twice as much. In reality we should stay on Standard time and school should also start an hour later anyway, because that has also been proven to increase schoolkids' quality of life.
Ok I just looked and my previous comment was made without realizing which of my comments had been replied to. Dawn walks have no bearing on what time dawn should be.
I want us to go in the direction Canada is going with that. It should be the same time in Washington and Oregon that it is in BC
Canada uses metric time though, I think. So, that wouldn't work.
Nah they're only half metricated. They use metric kilometers, but imperial hours, this creates the uniquely Canadian variant of kph
Us law doesn't allow for that. Washington and oreagon could go year round standard time anytime they feel like it.
Today has been the absolute worst. Daylight savings shift coinciding with my job becoming absolute trash and my idiotic self doing a Sunday funday yesterday.
Yeah i'm not trusting American anything at this moment.
Guilt by association is how children think
Try harder.
My penis doesn't answer to you
Seems like the only experience you have with children is physically and sexually abusing them.
I don't even sexually abuse your mom, even though she blows up my phone begging me to. You can stop following me around now, take your crashout and handle it with stoic silence befitting a le epic atheist sci[ent]ist
It’s pretty obvious the American government doesn’t care about its citizens health. Sick citizens = more shareholder profits for their scam corporations
It screws corporations as well, anyone that has a database or deals with time in any way. I'd call it a huge hazard technilogically to willy nilly change the time for no reason.
We have been changing the time for 70+ years. Nothing about it is Willy nilly. There is a reason. The reason may invalid at this point.
This same bullshit could be said about jetlag simply moving to a different time zone has worse effects than a single hour shift, yet many people do it 10s if not hundreds of times a year.
It's so stupid to argue about this whole thing from a health perspective and using that as if its some kind of disease.
So stupid
If there were two days a year that 300 million people took a flight that gave them all jetlag simultaneously, you'd probably tell them to stop though, right?
I have no idea what you mean.
Who is telling who to stop what?
I'm trying to relate the daylight savings time change back to your example of jetlag.
I'm suggesting that, in a scenario where everyone in the US is compelled to take a plane ride that gives them all one hour's worth of jetlag (instead of changing the clocks by one hour), you'd probably take issue with that. It's an attempt to add some extra perspective and get you to think about your claim that it's stupid to argue from a health perspective, and how shallow that line is thinking is.
It doesn't matter if it's stupid or not, it's reasonable to want the practice to stop.
We should just turn back the clocks twice a year so we never have to lose an hour of sleep.
Call for you, Based Department on line 1
There's a lot of things that I don't like about Arizona but the abolishment of moving to and from DST has been such a great thing to have.
You would
This again.
It's like this comes up every 6 months. Good thing we have a robust economy and world peace so we can fuck around with subjects like this.
There's a button for that
Go on
Ah yes and have companies change their working hours twice per year instead. Lol.
For those who want to, why not? Companies have become way too comfortable, I'm fine with forcing them to allow employees to do as they please.
Having the sun come up at 5 am and go down at 5 pm in the summer is my nightmare. Why on earth would we rather change 9 months instead of 3??? Fuck permanent standard time. I would rather keep changing.
Edit: I’ve said it before and the replies I am getting are only reinforcing my belief; morning people are an oppressive class.
In that case sunset would be around 7pm not 5
That’s barely different and doesn’t change the first part of what I said.
It's light out until 9pm in the summer.
Only in the weeks surrounding the Solstice. Summer is three months long.
Yeah, but it's disingenuous to call the equinox summer. By late August the days are getting noticeably shorter.
It’s not disingenuous to call summer time summer. Summer this year ends August 31st.
The sun goes up and down at the same time, nothing changes except the stupid marker they should leave alone.
But for some reason people freak out if you suggest we just start things later in December. See the other commenter who said I could just get up earlier…
I have been to so many places that choose to do this. Winter hours can be a thing!
You could just get up earlier. You are not a slave to your clock.
- That’s a two way street.
- Actually I am.
Goofy
Some traditions are simply stupid and should be discarded.
This is one example.
Well that was a non article.
Committing to standard time has health benefits and allows us to end the biannual tug of war between our biological and alarm clocks,” said AMA Trustee Alexander Ding, M.D., M.A, MBA.
So are they saying committing to standard time, or simply committing to a single time?
If they are saying Standard is better that Daylight Savings, then they are complete morons. And it isnt because I like one over the other. The fact is IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER. Just pick one.
Daylight is constantly changing, depending on what latitude you are in. In the northern hemisphere millions of people will gain over an hour of daylight this month alone. Your rhythms are effected by people fucking with the clock, and that is it.
Standard is better than advanced, which is better than switching.
Saving
Didnt they try it back in the 70s and everyone freaked out so much they reverted within a year?
A sensational story sabbatoged it.
They went the other way and went full savings time.
ITT: People absolutely convinced "their" side of the hour is the Only Correct Choice, and can't understand why people who prefer the "other" side of the hour can't just adjust their schedule to compensate.
They have no vision!
We have the technology now to make DST a sliding scale so that the sun sets at 9PM every day.
Listen not to the nay-sayers! "Waaah, it is not good to eat lunch in the dark before sunrise!" Not with that attitude, mister!
Nah. Sunrise at 6.
The Romans had that technology too, the day was split into 12 hours of sunlight and 12 hours of night, no matter the time of year
Choose whichever, but just fucking choose one.
Split the time zones in half and offset them by 45-60 minutes.
people hate DST?(tbh i live in a country where we dont use DST)
Every time the time switches there's a spike in car accidents, heart attacks, etc. Also, time should just be constant imo, arbitrarily shifting it an hour twice a year seems stupid to me.
Everybody loses an hour of sleep in the spring which results in a statistical spike in hospital admittance for heart problems and car accidents.
Okay ty
My friends dad died of a heart attack like 2 days we sprang forward for daylight savings time. Apparently there is a statistical correlation with increased heart attacks during this time likely due to the lost hour of sleep. I'm sure he would have eventually died of a heart attack because of his lifestyle, but I'm quite convinced it was a part of what caused it to happen on that day.
It is such a non-issue, messing with the clocks. I ruin my sleep plenty on my own, and I'm sure everyone here sits up playing videogames or fucking around on the internet from time to time.
You know they understand parents. Also it messes with my sleep
Oh yeah, I'm feeling it right now.
Fuck that. Keep daylight savings time and end standard time. I like my daylight when I can actually use it; after work.
Making everyone wake up an hour earlier is abusive
We're in daylight savings time now, let's just stay there. That way no one's schedule has to change again.
"I know better than the AMA because I want to spend an hour of sunlight driving home with this sun in my eyes and then sitting on my couch getting left on read"
The AMA is concerned with disruptions to circadian rhythms due to time changes. If we stick to daylight savings time there won't be any more time changes.
Who could be for keeping that around?
some people (not me) complain about the sun going down at 4pm.
Me, I do - but I also don't think we should switch back and forth; just keep DST. Who the fuck cares if it's dark at 5:30am, we are meant to be asleep at that time
People in the Nordic countries have it way worse. There's no excuse.
It's not like it's the same time for waking up, going to bed, or shops opening for everyone across the world.
If you still need a heads-up about when things are happening when you travel, we may as well just make time UTC globally.
Sune goes down at 4pm? Just wake up and go to work early.
The Illuminati rock band?
AMA....Ask Maria Anything, right?
Let's call it by it's proper name: Daylight Stealing Time
Jetlag time.
I'm so tired of listening to this. Twice a year for my entire life. Let it go people
Yeah, quit trying to fix things! Leave shitty decisions from the past alone!
I agree with you. I actually like the change. Not a fan of Bush 2 lengthening DST since it gets out of sync with other countries.
Glad you like it bitch.
- with love the people that are about to die at the next change in your honor.
WTF?!?
🫵 10,000 years in the penis explosion chamber
D'oh!