The "home button" being hidden behind the hamburger menu and the fact that I can't collapse comment threads are my only 2 QoL issues, otherwise it all works great for a product that's only like 6 weeks old lol
There's just a polish to this site that Lemmy instances don't have
I’m on iOS and have the site added to my homepage as an app. There’s no way to refresh so I’m constantly falling into this trap 😩
I show the top bar and just tap “subscribed” or whatever to refresh.
That's the solution I've ended up going with too. Hoping to get my hands on the iOS Beta of Artemis soon, though.
It would also be nice to have a "context" button on comments in your profile so you can quickly see your comment surrounded by the comments you were interacting with, like Reddit did. Right now I'm having to go back to the original thread and find my comment to see the sub-thread it was part of and remember what it was we were talking about.
Also having trouble seeing comment reply notifications from instances outside of kbin. They don't show up at all and I am unable to see if people are replying to them. Have to go back to the original thread again.
This is really the only fair I'm struggling with, wick access to the thread content before replying is important. I'm trying to avoid commenting on similar threads atm so I don't accidentally include something from a different thread
There's multiple things to consider, both are great options, but right now I'm liking kbin more for these reasons:
- Better algorithm, when I go to my homepage I feel that the site is full of new, active content, where people are having discussions.
- Integration with Mastodon, I like to take a peek from time to time on the Microblog tab.
- No feed bug. Lemmy has a problem where it would show every single new post on top of the feed (I know this is being fixed)
Overall both Lemmy and kbin are in their infancy and I expect both to get better to a point where choosing between them won't come down to which one of the two have less bugs, and more focused in the features and appearance you want, this ofc will change with the many apps being developed, since they will be vastly different.
I might end up in Lemmy or I might stay on kbin, it depends which one feels more "active" to me.
For sure Kbin. I keep trying Lemmy from time to time but between the UI and the inconsistent sorting algorithms over there I have chosen to stay here!
Agreed. Luckily the algorithm bug is being fixed in the next release.
Oh cool! The more improvements the better!
I think Kbin, but the lack of an easy to navigate list of subscribed magazines has made me rethink a few times. On Lemmy, it's easier to get to a list of what communities you're subscribed to and the 'local' feed option can be quite useful too (e.g. on feddit.uk I can more easily use this to browse the UK content).
This. I miss the list of things I'm subscribed to that reminds me to check in on some of those communities from time to time.
You can find that in your profile.
Open your profile, and at least in mobile, there’s a menu showing you your active posts, threads….and subscriptions is towards the end.
I use it for the same reason you describe here.
Hope it helps.
You can, but it takes several clicks and a bit of scrolling, and that only gets you to a non-alphabetical list that is inexplicably cut over multiple pages. It's making it unnecessarily difficult.
On Lemmy, they have a button at the top of the screen titled 'Subscribed', and if you click it you get a drop-down with all your subscribed communities alphabetically organised right there.
You can go to https://kbin.social/u/YOUR_USERNAME/subscriptions to see your subscriptions. Replace with your own username and bookmark the URL and you can easily get to your subscriptions.
If you're using a browser, try this userscript. It adds a wonderful list on the side bar.
I use that on my laptop browser. Awesome script.
Wow, thanks for the link. The default interface is why I've tended to use kbin since getting an account for both, but finding user scripts like this for kbin to fine tune things is why I'm staying unless Lemmy changes a lot.
I like and use both. There's no reason to just pick one and stick with it.
I prefer kbin myself, though it is imperfect. Comment box should be at the top of the thread, and our subscriptions we subscribe to should be more easily discoverable, under profile name/settings seems non obvious from what i've seen of questions asked by others.
Comment at the bottom makes me bonkers
I wish I could get that but I primarily browse on my iPhone.
You still can with the Userscripts extension.
Thanks for sharing this!
Finding the subscriptions definitely a pain, what does help is going to settings >gear wheel and turning on some of the navigation bars.
Kbin is my preference but it's not perfect yet. I have a few nitpicks but it's still the best I've used so far.
Going to have to say Kbin, considering that every attempt to log in to one of the big Lemmy servers just results in an endlessly spinning circle.
There's no way for it to tell you if the username is already taken at the moment so that could be an issue. Could also be you need to click an email?
Have you ever been able to login? I had the same issue with Lemmy World and it was because I forgot to verify my email address, it doesn't tell you the issue you just get an endless spinning circle.
Lemmy needs just one click on an image and it enlarges the image just below the post. Kbin requires 3 clicks to see an enlarged image. Maybe this is a settings issue, and I am all ears on how to make kbin work like lemmy. But, for me, as of now, lemmy wins with this feature.
There is a button to preview/expand media, it's the image/film icon just to the left of the "N comments" button.
Sadly that button does not seem to exist in the mobile webpage view
True. I just decided to always show/preview media and let the thumbnails go. It’s been good so far.
THANK YOU. I didn’t even see it. I was expecting the same behaviour as Reddit and didn’t even think to look for that icon.
I agree that is annoying, but that's got to be an easy change for the devs.
Yeah, seems like an easy fix. I guess I have to figure out how to do a feature request.
Click the little image icon and it'll enlarge it for you.
Lemmy needs just one click on an image and it enlarges the image just below the post. Kbin requires 3 clicks to see an enlarged image.
If you are on desktop, just click this icon. May work the same on mobile, I haven't used it on mobile yet.
It may indeed be a settings thing, but if I click on the icon to the left of the number of posts, it enlarges the image for me.
Ultimately Kbin, but I'd love for there to be a "collapse child comments" button like reddit and lemmy
There are some user scripts that add it!
Yea. I've been hoping between both. Once all of these apps come out, I will likely settle on one over the other.
Same here. Im primarily a mobile user, so at this point my preferences are based on who has the better mobile UI. Looking forward to see these apps get more stable and steady!
I used sync for reddit a long time, then switched to Boost. I'll likely use Sync once it's developed here unless something blows me away before then. I'll also donate or pay for good apps to support them.
Kbin all day. Reminds me of old forums so it's got the nostalgia appeal.
I tried lemmy, I've been lectured about "orientalism", Zelensky was constantly trashed talked about. Enough is enough...I left lemmy for kbin.
It's not about the technology, it's about the community. I prefer to restart from scratch on kbin.
Christ, what instance did you sign up on? Lemmygrad?
So what? Are your beliefs so fragile that you can't risk them being challenged?
I prefer a community where everyone is free to say what they want without risk of being censored. Apparently I'm in the minority on that one.
I prefer a community where everyone is free to say what they want without risk of being censored.
Do you, actually? If you joined a book club in the real world, for instance, and everyone around you was constantly going on about the Jewish problem and why slavery really wasn't that bad and why women are useless for anything but housework, would that be a place where you want to spend your time? Would you be a coward with fragile beliefs if you decided to go somewhere else? Would it be horrendous censorship if you wanted rules for basic respect and decorum as generally exist in normal society? If someone followed you around all day constantly challenging every thing you ever said, would you really not find that at least mildly annoying?
Just because one might not want it to be illegal to state opinions, that doesn't mean that people can't appreciate at least some common understanding of a space's purpose and rules for discourse. Real wold communities almost never allow unlimited speech, because that can get extremely disruptive very quickly. I don't understand why people think that online spaces must be so radically different.
So what? Are your beliefs so fragile that you can’t risk them being challenged?
I debate all the time, but I won't do it under their moderation.
I prefer a community where everyone is free to say what they want without risk of being censored.
Nonono....See what you wrote on lemmyworld:
If you are so fragile that you need to be protected from a troll then maybe the internet is not the right place for you.
It's a different ballpark than what you are presenting here. Here you are all polished, in favor of freedom of speech, but on lemmy you are in defense of trolling. It's "lemmyworld", ladies and gentlemen, it's not lemmy.ml level yet.
You can see all of those same users on kbin, too, though. You can access those same communities from here on kbin.social.
It's really only Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml that have aggressive Chinese apologists on them. There's a whole pile of Lemmy instances out there that care way, way more about Beehaw than China.
I blocked lemmygrad, as I did see those extreme posts, but I haven't seen any of what is described here in Lemmy.ml.
I'm confused, isn't it the same content?
No, it's not the same content. Lemmy was up way before kbin. And lemmy has slowly built a community parallel to reddit. There can be new instances of lemmy, but you can be certain that they brought in all the old guard of other lemmy instances lemmy. kbin? Probably not so much. kbin mostly brought in the old guard of reddit.
It's not the same people posting and commenting the article. The protocol is the same though. I can clearly see the difference anyway.
Okay, thanks. I haven't looked at kbin, but I've seen people with kbin addresses comment here and I read that they were federated, so I thought it was a different interface to the same content (plus mastodon).
Don't really know how kbin works. Is it one single instance? Anyhow it definitely is the same content to some degree because we are talking with each other right now.
It is the same content when you subscribe to the same communities. I avoid all communities hosted by lemmy.ml because of the tankie devs.
Kbin. I think it has a more interesting feature set. Plus, the main Lemmy devs are apparently ‘free speech absolutists’ similar to Elon. They refuse to take down reported posts on their main instance, stuff like North Korea not being oppressive, pro-Putin propaganda, etc.
I really dig kbin's interface, so much that I haven't really explored Lemmy too much. My main issue with Lemmy is that the threaded indenting is so minuscule that it might as well not even be there.
Kbin just feels more intuitive to me.
it is almost the same thing with Lemmy.
The Lemmy hot trending is bugged and New posts floods the top and instantly pushes everything down, can't even click on the link post you want
Yeah, I think it just comes down to personal preference.
@Jezebelley
I'm really impressed with kbin so far. I'm still learning how to navigate it and all, it's missing the polish of something like Mastodon that is further along its development path. But it looks really promising.
Ultimately, I'm kind of hoping to end up on a much smaller instance possibly even self hosted after things settle down and mature further. The fediverse integration is wild and kind of strange to wrap your head around at first. At least it was for me.
To me, kbin feels the most like old reddit. I liked old reddit, but I'm definitely missing some QoL features.
I like kbin, but I'm not in love with the mobile UI, so I'm really just wanting to get a nice app.
In the meantime, you can use the gear icon and enable compact mode if you want to do less scrolling. The icon is hidden below all posts on mobile unfortunately.
This is how I feel. I tried both but ended up gravitating to kbin. Once you spend some time familiarizing yourself with the features and UI, it is pretty pleasant to explore.
If you’re on iOS and don’t mind using something that’s being tested, I have enjoyed Thunder so far.
I will also caveat that I signed up via lemmy.world, in case that makes a difference for being able to use it.
I heard Sync for Lemmy will have kbin support at some point after the main launch
I realized why I like kbin more while I was writing a front end for Lemmy. On Lemmy you have very limited control over filtering and sorting e.g
"Top" granularity is only at the day level whereas in kbin you can do hours. Lemmy only has a single "hotness" filter whereas kbin has the same granularity for hotness as it does top.
Started using Lemmy first but ended up staying with kbin. I just prefer the UI, even though it's still a bit rough.
Tried Lemmy, found out the devs are tankies. Came to kbin. Pretty simple.
Please elaborate.
Oh never mind, comment below does already.
Communism isn't the problem there
Any criticism to the CCP/Russia being censored is a problem.
Agreed
I'm preferring lemmy. That's mostly due to how nicely the Jerboa app works.
Considering we can get lemmy content here anyway and kbin has a better UI, it's a no brainier
I prefer Lemmy's UI but the Lemmy devs are just awful people in general...
I've been using Lemmy since a couple of weeks ago, but I've made an account here to see what the fuzz is all about.
To be honest, I've already configured my desktop Lemmy experience to my liking so my view will be biased. On the other hand, I am finding the default UI here to be close to what I want to begin with.
What I find confusing, however, is all the extra stuff that Lemmy doesn't have. I already use Mastodon for microblogging, so I doubt I'd be using the microblogging aspect of Kbin.
I use the micro blogging feature inside magazines where I'm asking for help that doesn't require a link to anything. It acts like a standard forum in that mode
I see, thanks! Let me see if I got you correctly. You can use the microblogging features of kbin to make text-only posts on magazines, right?
Actually, now that I've thought about it, you can just make microblog post on your Kbin profile, right? I guess that'd then be Kbin's equivalent of "posting to your own profile" back in Reddit (not that I've ever used that feature tho. lol!).
All kbin microblog posts have to be to a magazine. The "profile" magazine is called "random"
I'm using lemmy right now because it has a proper Android app, but I think I'll switch as soon as kbin gets their's up and running.
I like kbin's UI better, however Lemmy lets you click on a thumbnail to expand the picture inline, whereas on kbin clicking the thumbnail just opens the comments. So right now it's Lemmy, purely for usability
Kbin for me personally.
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I originally tried Lemmy, but I couldn’t get past the constant refreshing on the ‘all’ page. I know they acknowledged it was a glitch they were working on, but it took too long for them to fix it before I found that kbin worked equally well for me.
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Then, I learned about Lemmy having its beginnings tied to ‘Tankies’ - People who essentially support China/Russia. (There are better explanations out there.) I’m not sure the platform has moved far enough away from that yet.
Right now my priority is to leave Reddit. And if it can be accomplished by not going to Lemmy, that’s a plus. Hence, kbin.
But, as both grow and change in the coming months, I might change my mind again. They’re both still so young. It’s exciting to be witness to this time!
Lemmy is blocked at my work, so there's that. But I do like what I see here!
Which instance? Surely they haven't blocked them all?
NSFW obviously, hah 🤣
I've not tried Kbin myself, but I've poked around it and the husband is on there so I've had a detailed tour. Initially picked Lemmy because I found the design of it in general to be more modern and pleasing, and seeing him use Kbin has definitely reinforced that choice for me.
Then I see threads with tons of people saying it's the exact other way round and Lemmy looks too old fashioned for them!
So I guess what I'm saying is we're all just clueless apes who have no idea what we're talking about and it's good there's an option for everyone 😆
I'll probably make a Kbin account at some point anyway though since that's the easier codebase for me to contribute to.
I think people can make logical points for and against each, but yeah it really just boils down to personal preference. I like Lemmy better myself, and most of the complaints I see about it will be smoothed out in due time.
Lemmy cuz i registered here first
Prefer lemmy with Jerboa. But commenting from kbin because their sort algorithm is better
kbin for the win! Part lemmy, part mastodon. I can follow users on bookworm and mastodon. What's not to love. Add peertube and rss support and I never have to leave!
The mobile experience is not perfect, but it is improving and I hear there are apps on the horizon.
Kbin.
I can’t even log into lemmy and i’ve been verified and even tried talking to the mod on discord.
Kbin (at least for me) just seems to work.
Lemmy has multiple instances, some one require you to write something to apply to register and then be approved.
Desktop - Kbin. Android - Lemmy. Mobile apps for Lemmy instances are far more function than the mobile site for kbin.
@Jezebelley Kbin, because it looked cleanest.
i found and tried out kbin first but it was still very small. i saw lots of activity on lemmy.world so i joined here. at first i was very confused and trying to use mastodon to access lemmy/kbin content which, while it technically works, makes following threads really confusing. so yeah, lemmy is where i access everything from but i'm following lots of kbin magazines here too
Prefer Kbin, I feel the interface is cleaner and more true to the Fediverse. My complaints are A) It's really hard to just look at a list of your magazines and B) why is the reply box at the bottom of the page?
Lemmy. I really worry that any karma system will lead to lower-quality communities faster, because of the incentives it creates to gamify it. I appreciate that the Lemmy devs have intentionally stayed away from having a karma system at all.
Kbin also has this karma/points system which feels odd. It skews into the negative VERY easily and is displayed on your profile
I agree this is odd and unintuitive. @ernest is aware of this issue: https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/80
It's probably related to the issue of how upvotes, downvotes and favourites are treated in kbin, lemmy and mastodon (and other fediverse apps). See https://codeberg.org/Kbin/kbin-core/issues/3
I found it more intuitive to find a magazine (community) with the kbin site. So much so I will.come here to find a @lemmy.world/c as federated and then may go back to lemmy to post
I like kbin UI a lot, found also some user styles and scripts to make it even better. For iOS I found a great app called Memmy, I wish there was something similar for kbin.
Lemmy at the moment thanks to some CSS that makes me feel very comfortable.
I used kbin during the blackout but I've been liking the ui of lemmy a bit better.
Lemmy. Idk, I tried it first, enjoyed it. I made a kbin account to test it out too and found a few features I preferred less there. I also remember the name lemmy easier than kbin.
Currently on Lemmy but very interested in creating an account here on kbin for the improved interaction with Fediverse apps. Reading this has been so helpful in seeing the pros and cons to each option. Thanks to everyone for sharing their views
I like Kbin's UI and feel more than Lemmy's though I haven't used either for very long
I haven't created a Lemmy account, and I probably won't. I chose Kbin primarily because it's written in PHP which gives me the best opportunity to contribute, since I know the language. Haven't done much of that yet, but I am watching development and it's very active. Lots of community involvement and people trying to help. Ernest is overwhelmed but steadily working on scaling up the entire operation (infrastructure, organization, processes, etc.) with help from some great people.
Kbin, the Lemmy interface is just a no-no for me.
Clicked a link for Lemmy a few weeks ago and backed away slowly. Later tried Kbin social and just set up an account. It was easy. It’s still new and feels awkward. There’s annoying things like scrolling for the comment box, going through profile for subscriptions and problems finding replies and comments on Lemmy, but change is never easy.
Kbin all the way, also as de-federated community. That said, now that I'm getting the gist of selecting the instances and magazines I want, enjoying the federated content has also become easier.