Val Kilmer set to be be resurrected with AI for new film
2mon 1d ago by lemmy.eco.br/u/flango in fuck_ai from www.theguardian.com
Val Kilmer will be the latest Hollywood star to be resurrected by AI. The acting legend, who died last year at age 65, will star in the drama As Deep As the Grave.
He isn't staring in it. He's dead.
Well, being dead of course he's not going to be staring at much. Maybe the twinkly ether of the afterlife?
Now what his AI generated likeness can be starring in, is another issue.
Not sure if that makes much of a difference. We know AI has problems telling how many 'R' s words have
Indeeed it does!
Guess you haven't seen Steven Seagal's performances in the past decade or so
Seagal's not dead. He’s just fat, lazy, incompetent, and stupid. I look forward to Space Ice shitting on the "movie" he's supposed to release this year.
hes in RUSSIA as court jester for putin,
God forbid, a new and talented actor is discovered...
They take him because his face is known and loved. What reason would there be to take someone nobody knows? You can make up a new, imaginary actor and not pay anyone, not even family. What a wonderful world that'll be, without the need for pesky humans!
What?
replace the with /s and read again.
only that /s doesn't really fit, because it's a mix of sarcasm and hate and it's getting harder to cope.
it was pretty clear to me, don't overthink it
Okay I thought so, but the hard shift between the first and 2nd sentence made me confused who you were being sarcastic to.
I think the realization came while writing and I was too lazy to adjust. I'm tired of ... all of this.
You're fine. There just seems like a lot more people in the comments rage baiting lately, but I don't like catching innocent people in the crossfire.
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My headcanon is that everything after 2008 was all reboots and remakes and now revived actors, and that’s why all the Star Trek references end there.
Ghoulish
Essentially grave robbing memory instead of rings and jewelry. The rot grows.
Well I guess this is how I found out that Val Kilmer died.
Yo tambien. I have sadness now.
This is utterly disgusting.
will star in the drama As Deep As the Grave.
Though at least the irony isn’t missed.
Reminds me of when some famous porn actress died and somebody set up a live cam for her that just showed dirt, bugs, and worms.
So a cartoon character is copyrighted for 75 years after the author dies, but someone's actual visual clone can just be brought back from the dead and made to do whatever?
The Kilmer estate is signing off on it because they feel it's an important film Val wanted to contribute to. Doesn't make it any less gross for me, but at least there's some oversight to his image I guess.
That just means someone is getting paid and doesn't give a fuck about Val Kilmer
Then they should have insisted that they mupify his corpse
Nice. I'm putting that in my will.
The Kilmer estate is signing off on it because they feel it's an
important film Val wanted to contribute toopportunity to make money out of the memory of a cherished actor.
It's the rights to a person's likeness that can be made into a legal property that heirs can control.
This is why you don't see much marketing with, say, Elvis Presley's actual face (he was an actor - marginally capable for certain, but one nonetheless) unless it will be allowed by his heirs.
Look at it from the angle that an actor's FACE is their performative trademark, in the same way a singer's distinctive voice is theirs, or a writer's words, or a musician's composition.
Not just likeness, Scarlett Johansson successfully sued a Fr*nch author for portraying her in a novel.
GTFO! I'mma gonna look this one up!
Thanks!
Why the fuck are you censoring "French"?
OpenAI wanted to use her voice as one of the voices for ChatGPT, she said no, they got someone else to record it where it sounded eerily similar to her in Her, she sued, and they dropped it out of 'respect' for her.
Has anyone thought this through to its logical conclusion? If we're constantly resurrecting old talent using AI, or whatever the tech du jour is, then won't we stagnate culturally?
Culturally, scientifically, intelligently, you name it we’ve reached the peak. AI is just recycling what humans have thought and said, According to our new ai overlords we just coast from here
Then why doesn't life feel like coasting?
You must not be a billionaire.
The endgame for this insane push for AI just seems to be to enforce a global surveillance state, nothing else.
That's why the push to build all the AI data centers does not match with the demand for the tool.
That's a problem for next quarter, kiddo.
Answering for Capitalism – follow the money.
No, the cost of doing this is far more than hiring an actor.
A global surveillance state, is the end goal. These uses of AI are merely to push that goal forward by giving use to the tool for the masses to accept more data centers
Culture isn't defined by the use or abuse of AI.
It's a tool when used creatively with full public knowledge, and a weapon when it's used to surreptitiously decieve.
As an artists tool for seamlessly putting a character into a story, is it any different than how videogames are made with an actor's face slapped onto another actor's motion captured movements?
It's not like the aforementioned film producers are trying to hide their use of it.
Here is what I find funny, there was years in the early 2000's where he was alive and healthy and he was not getting great roles or as much attention.
Now he is dead and they are trying to revive him. Like it feels so silly to try to bring back someone with AI to make it like he is alive and healthy again. Those days are gone. Executives are using AI to live in denial.
My recollection may be flawed, but I think he had a reputation for being difficult to work with, and that's why the roles dried up.
I thought the Actors' Strikes were supposed to prevent this bullshit? What the actual fuck.
I think that only applies to companies that employ unionized workers.
This is absolutely bullshit, but also half-assed cowardice. Like if you're going to put dead people who cannot consent to the use of their image in your project, why not make Martin Luther King Jr the next T'challa in the MCU? Why not make Pope Benedict fight the mandelorian?
Or macho man randy savage.
I mean... did you read the article? He really wanted to be in the film, and his family and estate think this is the right move and what he would have wanted. It wasn't clear if they talked to him about it or not, but this isn't just a blatant lets do it thing with no consideration.
you don't think his estate licensed his likeness in order to make money off of it?
I guess it depends on how much of his debt the estate still owes.
Celebrity Deathmatch with AI figures might be ok but i’d prefer claymation for the nostalgia.
His family is okay with this??? Are they that fucking greedy???
Read the article. This was apparently a project that meant a lot to him and was on his dance card before the cancer..
Hs family is fully on board and if it represents a memorial for him and a subject he was passionate about, what's the beef?
No.
We're reaching levels of "torture John Candy in the metaverse" that we were only beginning to imagine a couple years ago.
You will never be allowed to die. You will dance for the cameras until history forgets your name and you're just a reflection of a reflection in an endless hall of mirrors, with no relation to who you might have ever been in reality. No more actors, pure simulacrum.
Not even worth pirating.
More weaponization of nostalgia.
Remember that hate watching, even hate pirating, is watching.
I'm not gonna watch it, but can I anti-watch it, so my 'view' counts negatively against it?
Torrent it thousands of times so the movie execs freak out about the massive theft they are suffering.
That still signals interest.
So, ive been thinking about this...
You are right, but what if it was possible to generate such fake interest that they take a movie that did poorly, and decide to make a sequel thinking there was actual real interest.
Then they burn that money on the sequel no one wanted and the sequel doesn't get the fake support turned on.
It does seem way more complicated of a long con though to pull off.
I get what you're saying but to really make a difference and change the industry, you'd have to organise a concerted effort globally and that sounds pretty difficult.
For those who didn't read: Val himself had already signed up for this movie and it apparently meant a lot to him to star in it. The producers contacted his family to discuss the matter, and they consented to the idea.
He's probably huckleberrying in his grave right now.
...Well, it was a matter of time, I suppose.
Great! ANOTHER person that makes more money DEAD than I do alive.
its going to be same for fast and furious
So. Fairly shallow then?
It’s coming for their pop culture, one of the few things that sets them apart from the rest.
I really liked his portrayal of Jim Morrison.
Fuck them. Val was a treasure, don’t besmirch him with this capitalist bullshit!
Fuck this movie, whatever it is, I’ll rather rewatch The Salton Sea, instead.
Also, watch The Salton Sea, it’s so under appreciated.
The more we participate in it, the more slop they create.
This is a NO from me.
Holy clickbait title, Batman.
This is no more a "resurrection" than drawing a picture of someone is.
It definitely is. It's not resurrecting, obviously. But it's definitely weird and a lot more something than drawing a picture. I'm not against it or for it, but it's definitely a new idea that I'm not 100% behind. They should definitely try it and see how it feels. But even now, thinking about it, something about it feels really wrong that I just can't quite put my finger on...