Why the world should worry about Israel’s nuclear doctrine
2mon 26d ago by lemmy.zip/u/berg in world from www.aljazeera.com
The threshold the Israeli authorities have set for the use of a nuclear weapon is dangerously low.
Israeli strategic thinking has long been shaped by the fear of an existential threat. Unlike most nuclear states, whose doctrines revolve around deterrence or competition with other nuclear powers, Israel’s security narrative is rooted in the belief that the country could face destruction if a war turns decisively against it. Israeli leaders have repeatedly framed regional conflicts — from the wars of 1967 and 1973 to present confrontations with Iran and armed groups in Gaza and Lebanon — as struggles for national survival. That mindset matters enormously when nuclear weapons are involved.
Everything about the current Israel is worrying
Current? They seem to have always been a rogue borderline terrorist state. Didn't they steal their nuclear weapons from the US basically?
"steal"
More like they were allowed to "steal" them.
Well, there was one president who didn't let them steal them. Whatever happened to him?
The only concern I have are countries lack of willingness to hold Israel to account
I'm not a weapons expert, but all the bombs they've dropped so far in Palestine and the region could add up to a few nuclear bombs, no?
The collective explosive power isn’t this issue. The issue is that if Israel believes it will lose a war its policy is to believe it will not be allowed to exist in any capacity. Which means its security policy regarding nukes is to take the entire region with them by glassing the Middle East.
Thats bad enough, but additionally because of the way the rest of the worlds nuclear arsenals work, that sort of event could and almost certainly would be the trigger for the end of all life on this planet
The Sampson option. And the world is held hostage to their insanity.
That term is rather ironic: Samson’s final act was in Gaza.
Them wanting nuclear weapons basically comes from the fact they were regularly attacked by their neighbours every few years. Having them and posturing as willing to use them has effectively calmed that threat since the '70s
why would their neighbors attack them?
It's too complicated to explain in one post here. If you want to know, you might want to read the Wikipedia articles on the middle east conflict, the founding of Israel and all those wars. It might take a while, that conflict doesn't have easy answers for you
Religion
I can’t blame any nation or people from WANTING nukes at this point, having them is the only thing that is guaranteed to offer some level of protection. I get that, but the legit doomsday plans created to utilize them, make the actual practicality of them existing an existential threat to humanity.
Shit the entire message of both the wars in Iran and Ukraine prove that the best thing a country can do to protect itself is to get nuclear program going as soon as possible and then make sure the world knows you have it and are willing to use it.
And as much as Israel and the US will say that the war is to stop Iran from getting nukes. What good did it do them to try and play ball with the west and get the vast benefits of nuclear power. Not a damn thing.
Well they could have tried not supporting attacks on Israel and not enriching weapons grade uranium. It's especially the latter that got them into this latest pickle
Those are the lies we're being sold, by people who lie constantly about literally everything. Multiple nato inspectors have pointed out that there was never any evidence of them doing this. The PEDOnald is the one that ripped up the nonproliferation treaty with no replacement, and on the eve of Iran negotiating a new one years later, even willing to give up their power plant level enriched uranium, Israel and US launched their attacks.
You can look up the IAEA reports. There's no denying that they were making as much highly enriched uranium as they could starting at the end of 2024
Why wouldn’t they, Israel has demonstrated multiple times to be untrustworthy and the US is demonstrably unreliable. Every nation should be getting nukes if this is how the nations that already have them behave towards those without.
Edit: everyone should tag this asshole as a Zionist mark, they are defending Israel far too much to be considered legit
Well if I knew how to do it, I'd tag you as the nutjob that thinks everyone should have nukes
Not pro nuclear bombs, not pro Iran, however Iran isn't the one with the nukes.
Its either everyone gets a bomb or preferably no one does.
If Israel and the US are allowed to have nukes then Iran isn't allowed to have nukes?
Finally someone talking sense!
Would you prefer a world where everyone has nukes, or no one?
Which direction do you move us in when you give them to Iran?
I don't want Iran or Israel to have nukes.
The point is one country having a nuke pushes others to have a nuke.
Which direction does Israel move us in when they physically have them now?
Is it a good thing that the second country gets a nuke as well?
In this case, Iran is ruled by a doomsday cult theocracy where let's say 10% of the population controls the other 90% as cattle. They honestly believe that their only purpose in life is to defeat Satan (literally translated into Israel and the US by their scholars) and then they can literally go to heaven and party like it's '99
Now you can say a lot about Israel, and I'm going to repeat that I don't want them to have nukes, but the comparison between a democratic Israel and doomsday cultist Iran is just...
A slight but very important bit of a difference that a lot of lemmings have lost sight of after seeing, sadly, too much videos of Palestinian toddlers being blown to smithereens
Its a bad thing for any country to have nukes. Period. Especial a country with such reckless nuclear policy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Israel has nukes. so if you were Iran and Israel had nukes, what would you do? Would you be more or less likely to pursue a nuke?
Well if I were Iran, I'd declare that my religious doctrine is and always has been a sham, only used to oppress and murder innocent people since the dark ages up untill today, declare that all people should be treated equal regardless of gender, sexual preference or religion, repent for my past sins in any way possible and organise free and fair elections for the people of Iran.
Building a nuke would rank very low
So because Iran is an oppressive and religious state they wouldn't build a nuke?
They would. And it's in the interest of the world that they get stopped
What do you mean by stopped? Do you mean to say we should go to war with them?
Not if we can avoid it
Then you didnt understand a word I typed, no one should have nukes because they doom us all, but because some already do have them any nation/government not trying to get them is doing their people a disservice and putting them at risk. Because it’s apparently the only thing that keeps you from being arbitrarily attacked by governments with them.
But you keep going with your “Israel’s fears are legit” schtick when it’s clear they are using that sympathy to carve out a colonial home for themselves and commit crimes against humanity.
I hope you have the worst day!
Do you think, say, Mongolia is at risk of being arbitrarily attacked? Should the Phillipines hurry up and nuke up?
Both of your examples absolutely should, Mongolia is resource rich and insanely underdeveloped, that will be a target of imperialism in short order if they don't. The Philippines are more or less under US control already but if they had nukes they sure as shit wouldn't be. Until no one has nukes the countries with them cannot be trusted to act in good faith any longer. The US, Israel, and Russia have demonstrated that with both Ukraine(who had nukes and then gave them up under the pretense of protection from the largest threat to them with nukes - Russia) and Iran.
Get nukes if you want to keep your people safe is the message of geopolitics over the past 20 years. I dont like it but its the correct strategic position if you are attempting to safeguard a nation. Its fucked up but its the reality of the situation.
Do you think the Iranian regime is something that should be kept safe?
Do you believe the American and Israeli regimes should? I think all three should be destroyed and the world would be a much better place for losing them.
Iran being a theocracy doesn’t make this war just it’s just a flimsy excuse for Israel and the US to control the region. It’s never once been about Israeli security.
I will not respond to you again. I hope your day is as good as a Palestinian child!
A few posts up you were saying everyone should have nukes to protect themselves, now you're saying you want at least three of them destroyed
It's commendable that you care for Palestinian children but I don't think you've really thought about how a nuclear armed Iran would help them
Your question was addressed in the article:
The intensity of the bombardment has been extraordinary. Some military analysts estimate that the explosive power dropped on Gaza during the early stages of the war alone amounted to several times the explosive yield of the Hiroshima atomic bomb.
The comparison does not suggest equivalence between nuclear and conventional weapons. The devastation of a nuclear detonation would be vastly greater. But it does reveal something important about the scale of force Israeli leaders have been willing to deploy when they believe national security is at stake. If a state is willing to unleash such overwhelming destruction through conventional means, the uncomfortable question arises: what would its threshold be if it believed it was actually losing a war?
I'm not a weapons expert, but all the bombs they've dropped so far in Palestine and the region could add up to a few nuclear bombs, no?
No where near even a few kiloton.
But you don't need nukes when you're dropping a few kilos of He on a target given to you by Palantir's kill chainm-. The precision is crazy.
System detects a Palestinians saying a bunch of stuff these neo-fascists think is bad. Meta data is scrapped from the telco systems to map the targets location via latitude and longitude. A Hermes drone orbiting the city gets those coordinates and automatically fires a Spike missile at the target.
Victim is murdered and the Israeli's claim in a bullshit press release that they killed another terrorist.
Netanyahu has gone amok
Today's atomic bombs are way more powerful than the ones dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Humanity hasn't learned anything from history.
rooted in the belief that the country could face destruction if a war turns decisively against it.
Every nuclear nation would use them if they were losing whether they were public or not about it.