Reddit and FaceID Verification
2mon 26d ago by lemmy.world/u/kamayatu24 in privacy@lemmy.ml
Reddit CEO says facial verification may be introduced. Ostensibly to prevent bots.
But we all know how dangerous this can be. But most likely Reddit users will just accept it.
Although they have a great free analogue right under their noses - Lemmy. Which is many times better than its competitor.
I wish more people would discover Lemmy, but that's unlikely.
There's no way they want to eliminate bot traffic, it would kill 2/3rds of their traffic instantly. So this just means, "bots that aren't paying us."
Reddit, very famously, used bot traffic at its inception to create the illusion of a community big enough to compete with Digg.
It was the OG "fake it till you make it" business.
As the company implements an increasingly draconian "ban every account that looks at me sideways" admin policy, I'm not sure if "2/3rds of the traiffc" isn't lowballing it. There are entire threads - from initial post to bullshit bottom comment - that get created by bot traffic on the modern site. It's a full blown hall of mirrors over there.
OG “fake it till you make it” business.
Feels like 99% of "social" network startups. The dead Internet theory started before the LLM craze.
Goes back to email. Easier to create a machine that churns out digital messages than find humans to do the work manually. So you get increasing loads of spam and gibberish, attempting to out-shout one another in a digital space with no bureaucratic regulation or material limits.
That said, one thing that made early social media like Facebook and MySpace and Livejournal appear valuable was the degree of human interaction. What's more, the interpersonal networks that formed between verified humans gave enormous value to communications across the platform.
Facebook did a pretty good job, early on, of limiting who could join based on authentication through college admin offices. MySpace had a large cohort of real human artists producing real human music, which attracted a real human following. Livejournal predated a lot of advertisement-by-blogging. After the Dot-Com bubble burst, this is where you could see green shoots of economic value in a digital space.
We've demolished all that chasing fictitious capital. How valuable it was in practice is debatable, of course. But it's all gone now.
Tumblr survived botification largely culturally intact
I'll have to take your word for it
Take mine too. It's really funny how tumblr banned porn so all the gooners went to twitter and now tumblr is kinda healthy with a really vocal userbase that WILL backlash at any attempt on enshittifying the platform
The biggest con with tumblr is the CEO, but he's too busy making everyone distrust Wordpress.
The biggest con with tumblr is the CEO
The ban of every website's existence.
I'm no heritage Tumblr user, I didn't have an account until about a year ago, but I used to browse the site every now and then. I'd say the current userbase is a joy to be around, but the bots are everywhere. Every comment section on an artist's post eventually will get a "Are you open for comms?" post. We still get the porn bots funnily enough. Also the occasional account takeovers and then bots DMming people.
But like in terms of real people posting? I don't even know if I've ever had a bot post come up on my feed, for both the following feed and "for you" feed. Plus Tumblr does have an option to look at chronological posts and you can actually reach the end of the page eventually!
We all recently rioted and got the staff to revert a shitty twitter-like update within a day or so, which was nice. I still want wafrn to improve and replace Tumblr so we can escape the PoS CEO, but alas.
I just can’t read it as anything other than warfarin- how’s it supposed to be pronounced?
I say it like waffle + urn (or fern) = wahfern
I just know it's supoosed to be an acronym for "We Allow Female Representing Nipples" as a joking response to Tumblr's porn ban, which removed posts with "Female Representing Nipples"
Pretty sure it dates back to the dawn of commerce.
Indeed, when I read this parent comment I had in mind a snake oil salesman in Lucky Luke (Doc Doxey's Elixir, volume 38)
The dead internet isn't a theory on Reddit. It's a reality there. Almost all traffic is
I read somewhere that it's estimated that reddit is 90% bots in the comments, and we already know 99% of front page context is from bots accounts.
Exactly this. The bots are coming from inside the house.
If not already, I assume they’ll offer a for-fee API for bots.
That's not the point of this.
The point of this is to remove unpaid/unauthorized bots. They want their engagement figures to look even better, and they don't want people offering up their advertisements propaganda without paying up.
Their goal will never be to eliminate bots because undoubtedly that is something they want to sell access to and use themselves.
By guaranteeing that certain posts are bona fide humans, their data is more valuable to sell for AI data as well... and they probably have a way to dox users with this too.
I think it more means "we want to sell your face data"
I mean it's also trivially easy for ai to make a photorealistic image of a human, i dont see how this could possibly ever work. Whatever test they apply would be almost by definition cheatable by AI.
JUST IN: Reddit CEO says company is considering requiring all bots on the platform to click on ads in order to drive revenue to Reddit.
Thank you. This is why I’m here.
Ditto!
Well that and they permabanned my 14 year old, 1million karma account for making a post that insinuated Donald is a pedophile that some MAGA got all upset about and they rejected my appeal.
So....fuck em.
Mine was for suggesting Biden drone strike SCOTUS justices immediately after they ruled that the president is effectively above the law. I wasn't advocating for Biden to do anything illegal! 🤣
Well that depends. Were you suggesting that he do that officially or unofficially?
Welcome aboard!
I stand with your 14 year old. Same thing happened to me (well, very similar, my message was more in that clot has just one job category).
I had a similar account that got banned for connecting to the wrong VPN endpoint. Clicked a random server from my VPN provider, suddenly my account was permanently banned with no ability to appeal
Thinking it was just some issue on my end (it was a non-standard looking ban), I logged into another OG account of mine, which also promptly got perma-banned
Extreme incompetence for them to be issuing perma-bans like that based on IP address
Good, next step is installing Artix :3
Funny way to spell Arch
/s
I don't use Arch, btw
I just moved to CachyOS when I learned about Artix. The distro hopping never truly ends, does it? LOL.
It ends with LFS >:3
Do they have a T2 distribution for Macs?
I was making a rather annoying joke. LFS might work on with Asahi's bootloading, but then you are dealing with Linux From Scratch which could only ever make sense to any degree with Nix
Steve, ain’t we glad to have ya! Welcome :)
-- again. lol
Thanks for the welcome
in order to crack down on
AIunprofitable bots
I'm sure they'll have no issues allowing bots that align with their interests
So the entire point of reddit, the anonymity, is to be thrown out the fucking window lmao
Today everyone throws their principles out the window. Such is the present(
spez is a frigging billionaire. What other principle than making money could possibly have guided him to this point?
Nah, other users won't know who you are.
But Reddit can sell your information and send police to your house if you joke about Israel.
Nah, other users won’t know who you are.
Well, at least until the database inevitably leaks
https://www.pcmag.com/news/reddit-could-soon-require-face-id-to-prove-youre-not-a-bot
Huffman indicated the platform may use decentralized third-party information providers to verify users’ personal details.
“Part of the promise to users is we don’t want to know your name," he told the hosts. "But we want to know that you're a person.”
Sure, "we don't want to know your name, we just have to know it or have to have another party that we have access to/a deal with know it"
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Considering how "ban evaders," even when changing devices, moving to different countries and setting up new accounts, are getting miraculously detected and swiftly banned again, I doubt anybody has even a shred of privacy on Reddit.
You have to pick a server.
I promise you, that's why
You're probably right and this is the first time I've felt kind of glad for the "speed bump" that picking a server on the fediverse has become. We'll get another influx before too long; maybe a "you need to be this clever to ride the ride" checkpoint isn't such a bad thing.
That's what I thought when I initially signed up but I'm realizing we lack diversity baaaaaaad. I'd wager 90%+ of users are tech people and we are infamously antisocial, which is rough for a "social media"
Selecting a server wasn't an issue for me. The RIF app told me to go to .world and I quickly decided it was the right instance for me to start.
I moreso had to adjust to the slower pace and less engagement on Lemmy compared to reddit, the lack of niche communities, my favorite subs not having a perfect equivalent here.
I was super pissed off with reddit and am still salty, so my anger committed me to making the commitment to Lemmy. I was addicted to reddit and they took away the app I was using for over 10 years. I wasn't ready for the breakup and was scorned. I was highly motivated to make Lemmy work for me.
Users need that level of anger and outrage to motivate them.
Oh no, how am I going to pick a server?! That’s even harder than choosing a shirt to put on!
It's weird, but that shit intimidates non technical people, and there are a lot of them. It would need better if it says something like 'Click on the flag of the country closest to where you live' or something like that.
Linux seems to have managed to do this - I recently did I mint install on my laptop, it was all GUI, no arcane jargon, no need to use the console, really well optimised for the non-technical folk. You'd be surprised how many people see 'server' and think 'I don't have one of those, and I don't think I want one'.
join-lemmy.org now shows you a suggested instance where you can signup immediately. No need to choose an instance.
Is there a reason to expect bots won't overwhelm Lemmy as well?
Most likely, they will. They are not elikely to infect larger instances. Smaller instances will spot them and ban them, I hope.
Why do you expect they will be unlikely to infect larger instances?
They will still infect them but they will be more obvious.
An unusual comment, you don't know it's a bot.
Hundreds of unusual comments and doesn't engage with the local community. It's a bot.
It's partly why online discourse is toxic. There is a disconnect with th real world and online and no social stigma. On a small community instances there is.
The problem though, will be trying to manage which isntances need to be blocked as they are rampant with bota. If the fediverse grows and there are lots of smaller communities,.it will be harder to keep track. Currently it's small and most instances with active users are familiar.
This is the real question here. Especially with advanced AI, it might be difficult to spot bot accounts.
I actually believe AI will provide a far greater advantage to bots than moderators.
Not nearly as much financial incentive for the admins to look the other way
/r/rats and tv show discussions for me
This is basically all I use for now. Lemmy doesn't have the infrastructure for every TV episode and movie I watch.
yeah. and even in the generic tv show communities there are maybe a couple people discussing a new episode, if at all.
Compared to thousands for a popular show.
heck, even star trek is barely active compared to reddit. and they did an official migration in the beginning
It still is more populated and has a lot higher activity, which suits slightly better for doomscrolling.
Lemmy needs to get slightly more popular.
And maybe a centralized place to find different instances?
Like i haven't found any active fitness related ones.
It's like coming from a convention Hall full of people and going into a minimally occupied hotel.
Centralisation of power is in the first place why we moved away from Reddit. Fuck that.
You can find your own fitness sidelemmy. There are actually a few I found.
Completely fair, just the difference and lack of constant flow of content is going to put off many people and without a significant enough drive there's no point to get used to the new environment.
Mind pointing me in a the right direction?
Because Lemmings can be insufferable sometimes.
So were Redditors 15-20 years ago, though. This place is exactly like the old Reddit ecosystem. Heavily focused on programming, Linux, and Star Trek. The smaller subs for politics, culture, news, etc take longer to build up.
Yeah, we are pretty great 😎
Not gonna lie, I like it this way.
Right... 15 years ago...
I think the downvotes are proving you right 😉
Have you considered changing instances?
I just block people. That's much more effective.
As opposed to Reddit users?
Yes. There's much more grand standing.
Well yea but it's because we're right 👍
Requiring face ID AFTER genAI has become great at generating faces is certainly a decision
No one ever accused reddit of making good decisions.
I’d be bold enough to say this decision is absolutely on par with their other brain dead decisions.
They're maximizing ad revenue, that is the rationale.
Next step will be to require Video with bop-it style live instructions, stick out your tongue, blink one eye, pick your nose, make finger guns, smile, frown. They won't care that it's not disability friendly.
Facebook tried to make me take a video of myself moving my head around making different facial expressions to prove I was a person. I was like... not even my bank requires that. This was after making a comment that was Trump-negging. So I cancelled it.
Discord has a similar system in place, people were defeating it with the Photo mode in Death Standing lmao
I'm a new lemmy user because of this
Since when is Polymarket's Twitter account a reliable source of information?
Since when is Polymarket’s Twitter account a reliable source of information?
I can't comment on that specifically, but it was reported by pcmag and others
Yeah, WTF is this?
People keep reposting Tweets from this stupid gambling site ugh
So when is this happening, so we can mentally and logistically prepare for the next influx of new users into the fediverse?
I think they'll announce it. And we'll have time to prepare for the influx of redditors.
It’s just funny coming from such a new account is all.
I made the switch to Lemmy today, feels old school kind of good.
Reddit is not only allowing for bots to run rampant, but also it’s managed by the Epstein class and their supporters.
Im sure the website that sold userdata to every single AI company to train their models on wouldn't ever even think of selling the faces of every one of its users to a company to train its AI face generator on.
Or that the website which accidentally admitted "the most reddit addicted city" is an air force base that hosts their online counterintelligence teams... Where was I going with this? Hmm must be nothing.
BREAKING NEWS! Reddit figured out how to make their platform even shittier
Lemmyflation is real
Do it. I can't wait for it.
Maybe we can get more people on the Fediverse lol
I'd be cautious about seeing that as good news. I'll always be suspicious of how many posts here are either partially or entirely automated, whether that means automatically reposting stuff from other sites, fully generated text, or just augmenting a human's posting.
I like to think we're too small for most botters to care about us, but who knows! As far as I'm aware, no one service has any reliable tools for spotting generated posts. No way are federated services prepared to deal with the insane influx of bots that would naturally come with being significantly more popular. Seems like all we have are captchas...
I can fairly certainly confirm that influnece agents are active on lemmy. Including plenty of US government connected ones ginning up support for the Iran war. Especially on the larger .world accounts it appears.
.world is no different than reddit and anyone on that instance should expect such skullduggery.
I'm on .world and on reddit, and reddit is much, much worse.
It's clear that the leftwing left wing left reddit a while ago; so that leaves behind liberals, conservatives, and moderates that still can't make up their minds about Trump somehow.
Maybe we can get more people on the Fediverse
Once there's enough people on the Fediverse it will get noticed by the Authorities and when that happens you'll see instances start shutting down as they are unwilling, or unable, to comply with the Age Verification and Social Media laws that are being passed all over the globe.
I'm somewhat surprised that the NSFW instances haven't already been hit by the Age Verification laws that many US States have but as soon as a single state, say Utah, notices the rest of them will pile on and the Fediverse will start to unravel.
This isn't just a US problem either, there's Age Verification and Social Media laws being proposed or already in effect in many Western Nations. Hell the two Australian instances are already afoul of the laws in their country so as soon as their Government notices they are going to have some difficult decisions to make.
Ideally a more critical mass so I can talk about my more niche hobbies. Like looking at video game leaks.
Or something like /r/3d6 on reddit.
It took a lot of customer abuse to break Reddit's stranglehold, but they are perilously close to a Digg like migration off their platform. Spez can take a hike into bankruptcy.
Just already made his billions, what does he care
Inb4 bots pass this and my face is rejected
I mean, requiring FaceID is a horrible idea, but there maybe might be a better alternative (I'm talking about the general idea of a "proof of humanity" online, not specifically using this solution).
The fact of the matter is that bots are a massive issue online. When russia got sanctioned and cut off from the western Internet, r/Conservative went radio silent for a couple of days - until they figured out how to VPN through the Netherlands. There are whole communities where bots discuss bot-posted content. And I have no doubt in my mind that it will also happen on Lemmy as soon as there's even a hint of profit* to be found.
* "profit" not as in "monetary gain", but as "any kind of gain, be it money, influence, propaganda, chaos", etc., etc.
My laptop’s TPM requires a pint of blood to allow booting to an OS. Two pints if it’s Linux.
Lucky. Mine requires a pound of flesh.
ur bootloader
politics is at lemmy's core, it was literally created by communists & socialists to serve as an online community for leftists; not rightists like liberals or conservatives.
Plus...there is a LOT to talk about these days, and most sane takes have been effectively banned from all large platforms lmao, with people helping all this along by voluntarily censoring the DUMBEST FUCKING WORDS in their memes, even, just to further their own reach within those shit holes.
So. Yeah, Lemmy be political.
most sane takes have been effectively banned from all large platforms lmao,
Buckle up, it's about to get a lot worse when you won't even be allowed to use social media until you submit to a face scan like op was trying to share.
Yeah….this is the internet…..I ain’t showing face. Ass yes, face….not a chance!
I ain’t showing face. Ass yes, face….not a chance!
you're doing the lord's work, thank you! lol
And every person too busy or just aloof to bother learning about any of this stuff will just glibly hand it all over, lovely stuff headed our way.
Yes and I got it earlier; it's just hard to resist responding based on stereotypes. Lol
Same, just commiserating over here.
i got sick of commiserating so i cut off centralized media from my life and my internet experience got reset back to 1995; it's kind of rediscovering what the internet is like all over again.
Now this is my kinda head in the sand lmao
But nah really, between my own frustrations with similar and realizing that a somewhat curated media experience for my kids is now of critical importance, I'm not far off! So far so good, I have a long way to go though. But I've been away from all the corporate trash for a while, cheers to that.
You said fucking. Bring me my fainting couch. Fuck I don't have one.
I agree for the most part. But everything isn't just a different political view.
You're literally posting this in an instance where lots of people actively deny the extent of Stalins crimes. Justifying it as "some countries miss the soviet, so he can't have been that bad" as if the Soviet ended with Stalin and didn't continue on for decades after.
I don't know about you. But that is as far away from an echo chamber I think you can get.
Dude……..nobody was gonna tell me there’s an app? I’m over here on brave just chillin. 🤦🏼♂️
There's Jerboa (the official one), Sync, Voyager, and over a dozen more different front ends.
Just search for Lemmy on Google Play or FDroid and you'll find options
I dig it. TY
The real problem was third party clients I swear
Watch /r/politics posts go from 22k upvotes to 3k upvotes overnight.
Lemme get this straight
foster a website that encourages engagement instead of real human interaction bots flood the website to farm engagement with months and years-old reposts obliterate your API support, causing an exodus of users that use 3rd party apps slowly hemorrhage users while going IPO with your bot site now mandate id checks so we can weed out the bots that made your IPO look so good
Genius play by Spez. (/s)
They made it easier for bots to thrive by allowing hidden post histories, limiting the API, and punishing users for "bad" reports, but claim they need face ID to filter out bots?
I don't care, because reddit, but this makes me wonder if you can just have an AI generate a generic face and feed that in.
It's obviously not about bots. Isn't spez friendly with Peter Thiel?
Interesting idea... Is it possible to switch the verification to a bot via a bot. Damn it, when that happens I'll try it out
Absolutely, i mean it's gonna be a computer testing the image for "humanity" so of course a computer could cheat the test.
So glad I ditched reddit.
I'm glad they violated my account for a non violation and denied my appeal in the first week of opening a new account then. They aren't trying to make their moderation believable, I'm persona non grata for whatever reasons, to appease the administration I presume.
Fuck them, glad I stayed off. I kind of need the help on some stuff though, there just aren't enough people or communities on here yet.
i bet my account is still active somehow; i intentionally violated every rule to get banned during the protest and only 3 or 4 communities banned me; and even then they were just shadow bans.
I was saying a lot of questionable luigi mangione related things after that happened, I couched it all, never came right out saying anything, but that might have caught up with me. That was several accounts ago but they can tell it's you still I hear tell even though I use temporary email to sign up.
Yeah, it's become crystal clear that they just multiple data warehouses and server side tracking to identify people.
More lowkey polymarket advertisements.
Why is it the only place I see polymarket is on Lemmy screenshots?
This data surely goes straight to Palentir
get ready for an influx of users to Lemmy I guess.
That's part of why I made my account here. Might as well start getting familiar with the alternative. That and the mods on Reddit are out of control handing out bans for jokes about violence. Like the other day, I joked we should shoot robot dogs and got handed a site wide 3 day ban.
well clearly that’s because we should disable them and dismantle them for parts.
get with it, raider. arc don’t play.
What are we supposed to get them for a welcoming gift? Was it beans or something?
Nah, we give them well thought out insults for not joining us sooner.
That’s the spirit!
Yea I prefer to get my Reddit news from a gambling site that facilitates bets on human lives.
What pisses me off about that statement is that it won't even fix the bots. It's public knowledge that most of the bots on the platform are intentional to maintain the image that the site is super popular still, which means those accounts would just get manually verified and skip the process.
Because of the current situation, on Reddit I tend to delete my posts older than about a month and then delete my account at least once a year, and register a new one with a randomly generated username.
It’s not because I’m malicious or intend to spam. It’s because I want to participate and to contribute, but am fearful of being arrested for behavior that is in no way violent, threatening, or dangerous, but which may be politically targeted. I don’t want my posts to make me a target, and I don’t want my posts to be tied together.
I use VPNs and block browser fingerprinting.
Before this, I had three accounts that were more than a decade old(one for personal stuff, one for work, and one for NSFW stuff, to keep everything separate).
But there is NO way in hell that I will use Reddit for even one day if there is a face ID requirement.
I don't even see a point in commenting on the current version of reddit anymore (and I haven't for a couple of years). You're either replying to bots or about to get into a useless argument with a bad faith actor. I'll gladly comment on reddit alternatives because it's a better experience for me and it's more likely to get other people to make the switch.
and block browser fingerprinting.
FYI that just makes you stand out like a sore thumb. With the current state of user tracking, it's better to blend in than to look like you're hiding something.
Without blocking browser fingerprinting, they can identify your specific computer regardless of how many different accounts you use or how many different browsers you use.
Correct browser fingerprinting blocking does NOT block attempts to fingerprint. It just generates false information for their fingerprint detection tools.
So reddit admin targets me, no permaban because I abandon accounts after a second violation, or a first now, just in the first week, for something not even close to promoting violence that they held up on appeal.
Can I make an anonymous account? Like use a vpn, I already use a temporary email like guerilla mail to sign up. Or could I even use Tor to access? I actually kind of need it for networking on some of my work stuff.
Even my 10 year old account is banned from posting. And I have thousands in karma.
They're doing some other non karma score now, which is probably ML fingerprinting or something.
It’s public knowledge that most of the bots on the platform are intentional to maintain the image that the site is super popular still
I'm not saying you're wrong and I know many people assume that, but is there a clear source for this?
Fuck /u/spez
how many of us noped the fuck outa there when they tried to force their garbage app on us...? this will only hasten it's demise.
Reddit should crack down on human users instead! Let Reddit be AI Bot Exclusive space!
They want to turn Reddit into a rightwing echo chamber. Lately there are so many comments on lemmy about people getting perma banned, including myself, for breaking rule 1. However in most cases, like myself, only made a comment without any harm or even a reference to violence. I only commented that ICE can forget about their payments and bonuses and that in 3 years time, they'll be sucking immigrant cock behind a Wendy's. That got me a perma ban after 15 years on Reddit. All these tech bros are bending the knee and getting taken from behind. Such short term thinking will become their downfall. If this happens, it'll be a good thing for Lemmy.
Yeah they have really gone over the top with enforcing R1. Upvoting is already enough to get banned as it falls under sharing and it doesn't have to actually mention any harm to the individual, just reference R1.
I mean, I got a 3 day ban (R1) for joking that we should shoot robot dogs guarding AI datacenters. It's literally not one of the categories that is even supposed to apply - it's neither a person, nor a place, nor some kind of animal. And that was my second account after my first got banned for similar sorts of jokes (yes, some were people, all were obviously jokes). Yeah, they're going crazy overboard with enforcement on that. Subreddits need to start moving over now.
A year or so ago I also got a permaban on my old reddit account. I never did find out the reason for it, as to my memory none was stated. But I immediately stopped using reddit and after a while started using lemmy when I realized there were better alternatives. Just now I tried to log in to my reddit account to check whether I missed the permaban reason, but now my account is simply "locked" and I need to change my password. The notification message is not the same as it was back then.
Reddit CEO: "What? We can't sell user data on our increasingly punitive and terrible site because the bots keep fucking up the models trained on that data? Hold my beer..."
People who make bots will adapt to this more easily than human users will, obviously.
Goodbye 99% of reddit users.
thank god, i need a kick in the ass to get off that poisonous slop
Dead internet theory becoming more true by the day. I mean, it was already true, now it's just more true.
never been happier to have been banned for no reason at all
I would tell folks on Reddit to come to the fediverse but I deleted all my reddit accounts.
*** Except Reddit and partner owned bots, which will then have no competition for your attention.
Reddit is a pay to play psyop network, nothing more, nothing less.
If the massive waves of permabans they have been doing for anti-trumpers weren't enough, this should kill the website entirely.
Reddit has had a big problem for a long time, and it has probably only gotten worse. I wouldn't know, because I, an actual human with an opinion, was permabanned in the post-Inauguration bloodbath.
So let the bots run wild, and finish destroying Reddit.
Unless it's THEIR AI bots, right?
IIRC they IP banned people for publishing their bots in a filter list.
I used to assume most of the bots belonged to Reddit. I still do, too.
I see the rationale, dead internet theory and all. The problem is that if this happened, I 100% believe Reddit would form a partnership with the US government or oil companies to put bots on their platform and spread misinformation.
They're already doing that: https://gizmodo.com/reddit-meta-and-google-voluntarily-gave-dhs-info-of-anti-ice-users-report-says-2000722279
Not specifically putting bots on Reddit though, based on the headline of that article.
Or? I think you mean and. Then throw several more ands in there, including AI platforms, surveillance tech, right wing PACs, and overall enshitification and misinformation.
Astroturfing is only allowed from premium accounts.
humanity
Not the best choice of word.
I want most people to switch to lemmy.
Ah yes, because bots absolutely haven't managed to fake/generate faces now have they...
Where is the link so I can read about it
It’s amazing seeing the horrible decisions made in the name of quarterly profits
Why long term progress year over year when you can gamble the future on a quarterly line go up.
Spez can eat my ass in hell if he thinks he's getting any more of my info.
Well no. Then it's only a matter of time before pranksters use your digital face for nefarious purposes.
Or more likely, fascist governments use it to get rid of the undesireables who dare go against their plan. Thats why authoritarian right wingers love AI.
Yeah...that's it...bots...you don't want to associate all the post history and behavioral data with a real live person and connect whatever data you can find on the open data market with the same real person, collating everything the internet knows about a person into a single profile, destroying anonymity completely, ushering in a new age of Internet censorship and repression and aiding the identification of target groups for political and commercial exploitation? Nah....you wouldn't want to do that, would you?
Funny……funny thing…….dont seem to really need Reddit anymore. I like this place and cyberspace more anyway. Zuckbook too. ✌🏻I’m out.
Fuck reddit. I've been hanging on for too long until they banned me 3 times in 72 hours. I guess they don't like criticism of the current regime. Fuck reddit.
The moment you state a fact or something that the folks at Reddit don't like, you'll get banned. And it will be a deep ban. You create a new account on same device without sanitizing it , use same network without VPN or join the same subs right after signup, you'll get another ban.
Best way is to signup on a device, browser and network you never used before, use VPN if you use the same network. Use an email that you've never used before. Stay low for 10 days, join random subs here and there and make some subtle comments, maybe a few posts to act genuine. Then for five days, make your 20% activity without VPN, don't cut VPN entirely because that raises the flag. Keep using the same device and browser for at least 30 days.
Then you can start casually switching to your main devices and network. Stay low for 10 more days when you switch back before joining the same subs where you got banned. This often beats the automated checks and the system doesn't connect the dots for links between your banned account(s) and new one.
Im not sure reddit is worth that much effort. Meanwhile folks saying stuff reddit likes be like
Well, it depends on the user. To some, its worth it. And to some it doesn't. Its about the community size.
Yeah, gotta 👉🏻👌🏻 the algo.
Thank you
That's good to know. I was wondering and testing the exact pattern to avoid shadowbans. I'm just bored after getting permabanned and got curious what methods they use to give out shadowbans.
Few specifying questions, if you don't mind.
On the part without VPN. Wouldn't that get a usual ban? Or it's already beyond that scanning timeframe after 10d.
And you mentioned browser. Is it specifically browser and app usage must be avoided or was it just an irrelevant word choice and app can be used as well?
Additionally, wouldn't just aging the account by 30d work or the no activity part still gets flagged by the system?
It's complex to answer. Reddit's permanent ban is too strict.
They look at your IP address, cookies, local storage, your linked IDs if you linked them (phone number, email address, Google account, Apple ID, etc.), browser metadata, your digital fingerprint like WebGL data, WiFi BSSID, the app also keeps a note of the IMEI number of your device.
And I've read this somewhere that their AI moderation keeps an eye on your language that you type in, the words you use often and activity timing. I am not sure about this claim but they probably do it. System links all these activities with accounts that have banned in the past and if they find more than 5-7 very obvious links, you get another ban.
The system stays on high alert for first 10 days of suspicious activity on your account. It gradually lowers the flagging by 30 days but its still a risky zone. One mistake and it picks the flag. You have to clean your browser before you use it again on your main browser. Uninstall and reinstall in many cases, clearing any session data, cookies and even %TEMP% files and cache files from your root folder.
I am not sure about the app though, a friend of mine had a secondary phone where he used Reddit, he was able to evade the ban only by factory data resetting the device and then installing the app from a new Google Account. I never really used the app, I am not a phone person, I use my laptop most of the times so don't know how the app thing works.
I've reached to similar conclusion myself after some testing and words of some moderators of subs. I was thinking about testing it out on a virtual machine, but it's probably easier to just move over to alternatives. I'll probably still give it a shot at some point when I'm bored.
Though thank you for elaborating more.
I am gonna try that as well. Reddit has a larger community and more users. I guess its worth trying again. 😂
Bots will have verification down to the science, done and verified as humans certified... way before actual humans even manage to turn on their cameras.
This is what made me finally bite the bullet and switch to lemmy.
well done. sign up for a piefed instance too.
first ive heard of it! How does it compare, you use both i take it?
i do. tbh i don’t notice a difference really, but i like having more than one account after my first home instance shuttered. i opted for piefed on the ios app blorp.
the blorp dev roams these halls and seems pretty friendly and dedicated to making it better all the time.
Blorp dev here. Can confirm I am dedicated to making Blorp the best client for Lemmy and PieFed. I’m biased, but I’m pretty confident the multi account support I built is unmatched by any other client. Let me know if you need anything!
Downloading now!
Great to have you! The web version is also worth a try if that interests you. My goal is one unified web and mobile PieFed and lemmy experience.
I like it! Not sure if it will replace boost just yet. Any plans for themes?
It has some features and some anti-features. Lemmy is better IMO as it doesn't have a weird social credit score system like PieFed does.
Also just noticed your username. Brothers in poop unite.
ROFL. Man Spez is stupid.
So many redditors will become lemmurs
More seriously the biggest problem with lemmy adoption is that it has less content (even if the quality is better), I don't think every niche has enough people who'll bother to set up equivalent communities here and of course there's a learning curve too, but with some organization they could make the switch
Why not start over and create that communities? This was the start of Lemmy, we just copied famous subreddits and do the same stuff over here. Trust me, I was there.
because i am le tired
There's piefed and lemmy and kbin, any of those is good tbh.
Im not doing it! What are they gonna do? Ban me? (Im banned from Reddit for posting Luigi gifs ... and guillotines)
If they said that about Lemmy i would tell them to fuck off but since it's Reddit who cares most of their user base these days are bots anyway, but jfc are they adamant about age verification, they really want to know where are unsupervised children for their new Epstein Island.
If they said that about Lemmy i would tell them to fuck off
Lemmy will eventually be targeted by the various Age Verification and Social Media laws popping up all over the globe. More of them are being proposed and passed every week and the confusion and risk just grow higher.
As an example my home instance, lemmy.today, is run out of Washington State and they have proposed legislation that could impact us. HB2112 and HB1834 are just two examples.
Even if none of them pass in WA, and one of them surely will, it won't too be much longer before the NSFW instances in the lemmiverse start getting targeted by the wide range of States who already have such laws. Instance operators do not have the money to challenge these laws in court so their options will be: comply, shut down, or get fined into oblivion / risk jail time.
I'm not happy about it but in IMO Lemmy is living on borrowed time.
They can just host in other countries
Well, sure, but it isn't JUST an American thing, even today. Like Buelldozer said, it's starting all over the globe. Some further than others ofc.
Some are starting to ban VPNs to prevent people from bypassing the ID laws. Not sure where it stands rn but some UK MEPs or w/e they're called in the UK were pushing for that.
That's true and it js a scary thing long term
wait wait wait reddit is against AI bots? news to me... https://documentingourdecline.substack.com/p/ai-bots-appeared-after-reddit-partnered
(Why exactly would anyone believe that face ID verification can stop AI bots? Have they seen how well generative AI can generate videos of humans?)
It's probably going to be even harder to prevent here because due to federation it's very easy to open multiple accounts across instances and no instance admin has full user data of accounts on other instances...
But it also provides the opportunity to move to instances (and their communities) where the problem is well-managed, if any exist.
Your particular instance could still be niche even if the wider fediverse is not
this is how i use lemmy (and the fediverse to a very large degree) and it gave me my reddit niches back to me.
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Well, Lemmy is not hidden, it's out there for reddit users who search for alternatives... It has challenges to solve and llm agents might be one of them.
"...to crack down on everyone else's AI bots"
FTFY
It is only unlikely if no one knows about lemmy. I found it yesterday and will keep shilling it on reddit until they ban me over there. From then on I will stay here.
Edit: typos
Can we not quote a Polymarket tweet? WTF.
Comply by drinking a verification can
I actually made my account here recently because of that post. I'd be surprised if I'm the only one. We may not get everyone on reddit, but a sizable chunk leaving and review bombing them in the app store could gain their attention.
yikes
Killing off bots and people making new accounts after getting banned would leave basically go one left on Reddit.
I dont doubt it, but is there a proper source to share?
We're better off. There will be a lot of new users who will be impressed by Lemmy.
The only reason why Reddit is anywhere close to where it is right now and not considered the sweaty place it was and right after 4Chan in dissociability is Reddit's data sharing with Google and the reception of better search rankings.
Too much to ask for an "anonymous" social media platform.
You're probably already aware, but it bares saying for those who aren't; it's not anonymous.
Because AI cannot possibly generate faces.
now it only needs to generate legal documents
it's too late for me to leave reddit. 😔
Me too. I left a couple of years ago 😔️
I suppose I could rejoin, and leave again?
Assert dominance.
On the one hand, this is awful and will be a complete clusterfuck
On the other hand, it would be acceptable if the mods have to use a recent photo as an avatar.
That…that doesn’t actually do that.
Oh sure, that's why.
This is what "faces of atheism" came to end
Why are we using polymarket as a source?!
This is just a post from Polymarket. The information was taken from another source, they just posted it.
Maybe they realized that most of Reddit is like Moltbook
Awesome, love it, hope they do it. I love me a good fire.
Face ID? Has he not been paying attention? It's pretty triival at this point to generate a picture of someone's face.
Once R brcomes unusable without this, I'm leaving it completely. I just hope many will do the same.
This is rich.😐
AAA...HaHaHaHaHa!
"Come on. I want you to do it, I want you to do it. Come on, HIT ME!"
I was banned a few years ago now, glad I was.
not even trying to hide it anymore
They must mean automatic scripts and bots that didn’t pay for acces.
Ahahahahahahahahah funny, proooove you are not a bot ! 0.1 + 0.2 == 0.3 🤣🤣🤣🤣 mehhhh, upload an ID ✔️✔️✔️✔️
Wtf lol. I won't log in.
Fighting bots with less privacy feels like a trade a lot of people won’t be comfortable with.
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/stats&months=24
Hopefully we'll get some more MAU out of this.
I’m curious if anyone has found a story indicating that they actually want a photo of your face? The original Engadget article seems to indicate that they’re talking about Apple FaceID/TouchID, not an actual image upload.
Apple stores all biometrics data locally on the device. Reddit wouldn’t ever see your face if this is the case; they would just get the passkey token generated by the secure enclave. Am I misunderstanding why this is causing outrage?
You know if you have a printed piece of paper, a magazine. Or even a TV with a face on it, that a camera can't tell if it's a real human or not.
I wonder how much that would reduce their traffic. Would there be anything but niche groups left?
spez has a very punchable face. After that API fiasco that forced many devs out of business, i didnt think i can hate him more till now
Dicey source
Okay, I think this is just ragebait. The real quote is:
The most lightweight way is with something like Face ID or Touch ID in the family of technology called passkeys; they actually require human presence.
Which isn't even closely the same as requiring manual ID verification. This is about requiring PassKeys with a special biometric confirmation requirement.
You can't give me gravy and tell me it's Jelly because gravy ain't sweet.