Click Dislike, Close it, Click “do not recommend channel”
Don't dislike. Engagement promotes the video. Comments, likes, subs, shares, and dislikes all tell the algorithm to promote the video.
Don’t click dislike, it does nothing except promote the channel.
That’s very funny cause I’m watching jack and z8 right now. I do wonder if it’s above a certain rate though. He should make a video that tells people born in the first half of the year to upvote and the second half to downvote. See what happens then. Or first three months, last 9 etc.
Gets it out of the way of my recommends. I particularly like the way it recommends videos in channels I'm already subscribed to. No, wait. I hate that.
Shame youtube removed the like/dislike ratio which we previously used for mass protest against video authors for their wrongdoings. Channels can now shovel shit onto us with no public humiliation inflicted on them in return.
Come to nebula.
No AI voices there.
But some categories are completely devoid of content because its an invite only platform
Yes, that's how you keep AI slop out.
Suit yourself but I think it makes Nebula have better quality. It's quality over quantity.
I didn't have an invite i just joined through Jacob Geller's YouTube channel
Invite for the creators.
That makes sense
For the creators?
Yes. Viewers are open signup.
Nebula is very US-centric in content, payment and organisation. I would love a more international approach.
Yea. It has always interested me, but I've never subscribed as I could only ever watch its documentaries alone, being the only person who understand English well enough in my family.
True. For less US-centric content there are only the streaming services of different country's public TV stations.
But they're financed by national taxes or fees, so they limit access to within the country.
Or means.tv, a creator owned platform.
That looks just like nebula (also a creator-owned platform), but with exclusively communist content.
Can't say, never tried it, just know that it's creator owned and doesn't have any AI voiced content.
Is nebula not a subscription only platform?
Yes. But also entirely ad-free, and with lots of quality creators. And it's quite a bit cheaper than pretty much any other streaming service.
I wasn't criticizing, just checking to make sure I had the right one. I can't really afford to do even more subscriptions, but maybe one day if I ever get back into the 'youtube style thing' in the future.
Do you also need an invite?
No need for an invite. Creators need to be invited to join the platform. So not just anyone can post their content there. A thing missing from Nebula is gaming content, like gameplays, etc., but it's a curated list of creators that put out generally quality stuff.
I paid for the lifetime subscription assuming it's been around for like 3 years, I reckon it'll be around 3 more and I don't want to deal with another monthly sub. I really like Jet Lag, I find it just the right amount of neurodivergent fun and competitive and chill. I also watch channels like Wendover, Not Just Bikes, and Real Life Lore. They are all on Nebula and I assume my sub is somehow divided up equitably, although I haven't looked into it. I also hope some of the money I paid goes to people who I haven't heard of or watched yet but I might like to watch in the future.
Is it better than YouTube...no. But it doesn't have to be, it is serving a different use case. I know when I open Nebula that I'll find something worth watching with no slop and a lot less money going to multinational corporations. They still have servers that need hosting so some money has to go to corporations but I'm not paying a trillion dollar company directly which feels nice.
Yes.
I have been on the edge for a while now, I'll probably end up at least trying it after my vacation. Do you really think it's worth the subscription price?
To me it's definitely worth it. Many of my favorite creators are already on there. I get exclusives and early releases, high definition, and no ads. And the nice fuzzy feeling of knowing that my views result in the creator receiving some actual money.
I still use YouTube quite a lot... But I find that I'm using Nebula more and more as time goes by.
Alright, thanks for taking the time to comment. As I said, I'm pretty much already going to give it a go, but hearing people's thoughts on it is appreciated. The thing about actually knowing you're contributing to paying the people whose content you like does sound appealing.
Depends what you want out of it.
I'm not aware of any content on nebula that isn't also on YouTube.
So if you're happy with the YouTube experience, probably not.
I joined when Tom Scott started posting his new videos there one week earlier than YouTube, and offered a discount code for 50% off for the first year.
1 year for the price of three drinks at a bar is worth it to me.
I was sick of clicking on an interesting-looking video in the YT feed that turned out to be AI slop or rage bait.
And the autoplay of the next video the algorithm chooses annoyed me, too. YT was also the last Google service I still used, so ditching it felt good.
Plus, my favorite creator Real Time History thanks people watching on nebula at the end of each video, saying "We couldn't do it without you", which makes me all fuzzy inside.
There’s a lot of content that’s just on nebula not YouTube, but it’s mostly long form stuff. There’s a whole section at the top titled “Only on Nebula”.
Yeah, I think YouTube will be the last Google service I let go also, a lot of content I enjoy is the exclusively there as far as I know. But I have also decided to get rid of Google, meta and such as thoroughly as I can, so I do hope some combination of nebula, peertube and/or whatever else google free I can find will suffice. I am mostly annoyed by the similar things you were when it comes to yt. Thanks for the Tom Scott shoutout, I wasn't aware he started making new stuff. You'd think YouTube algorithms would let me know lol.
Pretty impressed they offer a lifetime
Do you watch a lot of YouTube and at least a few are saying they are on Nebula? Then absolutely
I got it, then saw that its app sucked, then stopped using it for months despite having a valid subscription, then found the Gray Jay app, then found that I can queue all my videos together seamlessly in an excellent player and now slowly I'm watching more and more Nebula content and cutting out more and more YouTube content.
Nebula has a lot of stuff I like (long form, deep dive, factual, analytic videos). Now that my videos across platforms can be in one place, its easier to accept the more limited selection on Nebula. As I find more stuff on Nebula and unsubscribe from more stuff on YouTube, my whole video stream diet is getting better and better. The value of Nebula is slowly increasing for me. I wouldn't have continued at all or renewed my subscription if I was using their default app and going between multiple apps for my video streams; and if that was the case it had been much easier for me to stick with YouTube and Newpipe app.
What is nebula? Is it better or worse than yt?
It's a creator-owned video hosting site.
So no ads, no tracking, no algorithms designed to maximize engagement, no clickbait.
But it's subscription only with a monthly or yearly cost, with all money going towards the creators and hosting costs.
The content is curated manually, so there's a lot less than on YouTube, but the average quality is much higher IMO.
Expect it's a empty devoid worthless cuck club of invite only nothingness.
There's literally no upside to the concept.
I really recommend having a youtube feed that is just subscriptions. No recommended section. It's quite nice
I recommend not having a feed and instead using a self hosted RSS service like FreshRSS to subscribe to channels you care about
Then you can use filters to drop out the boring bits like shorts from the feed easily.
NewPipe excels at this task.
That's how I've used yt for like, 15 years? Nothing on the homepage is relevant, if I want to see new 'creators' I find them organically from the ones I already watch, or recommendations by friends. I actually forgot that the homepage isn't the subscription feed a couple years ago and was like 'the fuck is all this shit' (I don't use the website that often, got logged out).
Their fucking algorithm does a good job wasting hours of my day.
Yep. I just wish there was an option to block most of the videos from specific channels. I've had to unsubscribe to some because they kept constantly pushing updates and new videos to the point where it was kinda hard to see other videos (france24 if anyone is interested).
sometimes i dont realize and then they mispronounce a word like tzar (saying T-Zar) and then im like oh shit this was ai voice
I prefer normal text-to-speech (with subtitles ideally) if the person making the video can't speak themselves. Vocaloids/UTAUs can also be used for voicing but I imagine that's a lot of tedious work. They can also pay someone or ask a friend to voice their script for them.
AI generated voices are a sign that the whole thing is slop. Not worth watching. Same applies for AI generated thumbnails.
What about strictly TTS models, which would probably be lumped under ANI (artificial narrow intelligence), which has been around a long time? There's cloud based ones, but also some good local ones. Throwing out the content just because of how the voice is made is one level from doing that because a person sounds funny, ot looks a certain way. Which is fitting, since that's probably why some of them use TTS, to avoid comments that attack them personally.
ai;dr
You forgot one step: "Don't recomend videos from this channel"
It's not an option in Search.
that may be
I'm a frequent user of that feature - especially for cases when the first thing I see from a channel is a clickbait thumbnail with a "shocked" face on it. I understand that it's a working tactic for some channels, but unless I know the channel and can assume the video would be good despite the clickbait, I'm not going for it. It's a trend that needs to die.
And arrows. Don't forget the damn arrows.
does that still work?
for me it does
Search for information. Get reddit with a mix of bot posts and a long list of Ai generated sites that don't even make sense.
Read more, watch fewer videos. Bonus: books cannot contain unskippable ads.
books cannot contain unskippable ads
Ready Player One might disagree
- See an intriguing video
- Open channel
- 4 videos a week, each around 20-30 minutes of duration
- Channel created after 2022
- Do not recommend this channel
I watched a great video the other day with ai voice, but the creator had a disclaimer at the start saying (in his natural voice) that he thought his accent was too strong for people.
All the comments (barring a few chuds) were people encouraging him to just use his natural voice as it was perfectly understandable and the AI voice was quite jarring in comparison.
So yeah even as an accessibility tool, I think people just find natural voices more trustworthy.
In vrchat some event DJs use ai voice for music and i either mute the world or leave the event instantly, it sounds so bad every time!
Core Dumped has very interesting videos and hte author doesn't use his own voice. So no, i won't skip.
Most content though... yeah, pretty skippable.
Yea but it’s an indicator or overall lack of polish. Not always, but it’s likely
The worse is comparison videos which are fully generated automatically
Yeah sometimes I get it. The author doesn't like their own voice, English isn't their first language, or they're trying to offer their video in multiple different languages. Usually you have to watch it for a bit to pick up on whether it was written by AI or not. Like someone else mentioned in this thread, it's good to look at the frequency of video uploads for the channel and if they're doing 20 to 30 minute videos everyday or at a pace that one would consider a breakneck speed for a human, you know it's AI bullshit.
Definitely not this one and, come to think of it, i think he uses non-AI text-to-speech (mostly 'cos of his south american accent).
I know at least one channel that does so because they have a thick accent. Not all AI voices are bad
I would frankly prefer a thick accent, and some subtitles... Even AI generated subtitles with a quick proofread pass, is vastly superior to AI voices IMO
yeah thats me
Prepare for skritches!
In a better world this would be caught by analytics and videos like that would be penalised - like it should happen for web search results. In reality we're far from that unfortunately...
I am actually so thankful for the AI voices.
I used to feel guilty for dismissing videos with thick accents because I couldn't tell if it was the content was trash or I just couldn't understand the accent.
Now with AI voices I can confirm that the content was indeed just trash.
My great grandpa used to call me chicken cock Santa until I asked him to stop and then he just stopped.
Ok, I'll be the one to ask. Why?
Because he understood that I didn't like it and respected my wishes to not be called that
I think you're kind of burying the lede here brah.
What if it had auto-translation on?
I had this issue a few times. If you watch a video in another language than what you have set in your settings, YouTube will now auto AI translate with a voiceover. It sounds horrible and is very annoying. It's YouTube fault though, and not the creators'.
See link with interesting title.
Look at actual domain, if it's *tube/invidious immediately skip over link.
Click, see it's loading (any) video site.
Immediately close page.
Skipping some steps here, usually fast enough that you don't even have to hear voice.
If you won't write it out in text, it's not worth receiving the information.
what do you do however when the voices in your head become ai
Yep, every time.
Fastest slop detector in this side of the Mississippi.
Ai voice: "here's why the government doesn't want you to have this technology"