Another day, another working class hero.
2mon 7d ago by lemmy.dbzer0.com/u/Viking_Hippie in luigimangione from hexbear.net
cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/8223000
And still not one goddamn Epstein Rapist has been arrested.
But we're gonna throw federal and state charges at a guy for fighting back?
This country is fucking ridiculous.
And still not one goddamn Epstein rapist has been arrested.
At least not in the States.
Not only that, Trump also pardoned nearly 1,600 hard criminals that violently attacked a federal building on January 6th.
Not just hardened criminals, fucking pedophiles.
Andrew Taake tried to fuck a kid
Kyle Travis Colton had a bunch of child porn
Daniel Tocci had a child porn collection that would make Nobuhiro Watsuki blush
Andrew Paul Johnson molested kids
David Paul Daniel fucked kids and filmed it
And maybe more! I'll keep searching
This was in Canada. Its a different country, eh?
Ontario, CALIFORNIA.
I have literally been misreading this whole time. Sorry thx for the correction.
You mean to tell me you were confused by a place named "Ontario, CA"? How?
At least six people have been arrested so far. Epstein, Maxwell, Mountbatten-Windsor, Mandelson, Rod-Larsen, and Jagland.
All of them were inspired by a shit system and not by another man, who was also fed up with it
I heard about the fire, but I thought it was just a fire. I had no idea it was a brother in arms fighting against capitalism and wage theft. Good on him.
He posted a video of himself lighting various pallets of toilet paper in the factory, and saying "All you had to do was pay us a livable wage".
This youtube explains and contains much of the footage:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpqhREBFIoo
P.S Someone threw a Molotov at Sam Altman's house.
Do what you gotta do. By any means necessary. We live in a slave culture marketed as freedom.
Being a good or hard working person doesn't get any reward.
America Makes the Terrorists and then complains.
Nice try, mass media. Luigi is always innocent.
He is innocent just like Lugi. He was in Oklahoma at the time. Let me know where to donate to his legal defense. If fucking murders can get millions in go fund me so should this class hero.
Maybe I'm heartless, but why give millions of working class dollars to a bunch of lawyers in what will almost certainly be a slam-dunk loss? It's not like the carceral system will stop enslaving and torturing him if we pay them enough.
If you want him to be rewarded, give the money to his family, to his friends, and to the workers whose lives were disrupted because of this.
I agree with the lawyer part. But having a successful fundraiser can show other people and the rich class that he has our support.
Or a labor rights organization (and if that organization is your union, you'll likely get more back in form of raised wages and benefits, which you can then use for an even greater impact)
It's only a slam dunk loss with that attitude, how many hundreds of girls did trump rape and he never even got to trial
OJ killed 2 people and all but admitted it on national TV multiple times and still never saw charges stick.
This guy rules. Nobody died. Should have paid him more.
Edit: I can't believe a warehouse that big didn't seem to have sprinkler systems. This kind of thing was practically inevitable. Is this just some kind of water conservation exemption in california?
Edit: I can’t believe a warehouse that big didn’t seem to have sprinkler systems.
You want fireproofing? In this economy? How am I supposed to return 30% YoY profits to my investors?!
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the Shareholders!
Read in an internet comment, so take with a grain, but he apparently had a multistage plan. Started a small fire, fire dept came to deal with it, and company brass had them turn off fire suppression to limit unnecessary damage to product in other areas. It was then that they lit a bunch more fires, and by the time the figured it out, it was too late.
fucking beautiful.
Idk how accurate any of it is, but looked at several articles that claimed the fire suppression system was working but insufficient (statement from fire chief)
My guess at this point would be that the warehouse shelving design was actually preventing effective use of sprinkler systems by protecting the fire and being too dense to allow the system to be effective.
No one died? Dope I mean I might have semi-supported him before, long as he took full steps to protect people and just burn business, legend.
uh huh, now dozens of his coworkers don't have a paycheck. Mission accomplished, I guess. If he really ruled, he would have left the door open.
co-workers already weren't getting pay checks that's why he sent the place on fire they hadn't been paid in months.....
This doesn't make much sense. If my employer didn't pay me for months, the only reason I'd stay is if it was a great company that I loved and believed in. Even then, I have hard time believing a company could make this sort of arrangement in California.
....also-if what you're saying is true-then the company was a hair breadth away from bankruptcy. Someone burning down the warehouse could have been a best case scenario for everyone but the insurance company.
Is that the location that was doing bad? Because the company has been around since 1872 and is a fortune 500 company with annual revenue over 20 billion.
What's your point?
It means not everybody will take the same course of action that you will some people will continue trying and hoping that they'll finally get paid considering they've got all this time sunk into it it's called the sunken time fallacy actually....
Despite whether or not they actually will and who knows the motivations of the management of that particular Warehouse on why they weren't getting paid or what was happening it's easy enough for us to speculate as arm chair quarter backs.
So we have to go off of what we have available is and we have the video of the person who set the fire openly stating exactly why so let's just go with that how about that. At least until new information that's becoming available otherwise all we're doing is speculatig bullshit.
y'all children know that unemployment is a thing, right?
Sure, but where will they ever find a job working in a warehouse in California again?
It takes weeks for the first payments to start you dimwit.
you dimwit.
Warehouse Luigi, or Waluigi for short.
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I'm a gonna win.
The fireplace was about the size of 16 soccer fields. Amazing.
How many hamburgers is that?
If we take average diameter of 1 burger to be about 4 inches or 10 cm, then we can fit about 11 million burgers there in 1 layer.
Brazilians will use anything but imperial...
The average football pitch is not too far off from 50x100m which is half a hectare.
Thanks dude.
Let me just pull up my soccer-to-football calculator...
If you ask me, interior design has gone too far..
weird, I didn't see anything. you?
Nope
Just a warm day that's all
LUIGI MANGIONE ALLEGEDLY KILLED UNITED HEALTHCARE CEO BRIAN THOMPSON.
I've not seen the proof. Have you?
I actually saw Donald Trump shoot the CEO while standing in the middle of the street and not losing any voters.
We have... a WALUIGI!
I'd say he's more of a Milton. Still understandable, though.
Source: LA times reporting "Videos posted online appear to show a man igniting a fire at an Ontario warehouse while complaining about being paid low wages."
What does Milton mean in this context?
Steven Root's character in Office Space, who ends up burning down his office building because of nonpayment and abuse.
Whoa slow down there professor.
It's the greatest anti-corporate work movie ever made. If I'm a professor, this is kindergarten.
It’s a line from the movie. I was just making a quote :)
That.. Checks out
Just so you're warned: The below link contains spoilers, and the entire movie is worth a watch.
Confirming what AchoriteMagnus said. This guy is Milton, from the movie Office Space.
At least he received a paycheck.
Edit: I was referencing office space like the guy above me people chill.
Fuck you! I very personally hope that you get the opportunity to experience both food and housing insecurity despite working full-time hours or more. You need some perspective.
I was referencing office space. But people didn't get the reference apparently
At least the slaves received free food and housing. /s (just in fucking case)
At least you got my reference to the character Milton that the guy was talking about /s (just in fucking case)
My condolences.
Tough crowd haha
He was with me the whole time
I can provide other witnesses to corroborate his alibi
A new one to add to my 2020s-US-american-working-class-heros-smashabless-tierlist.
Why do they prosecute people multiple times at different levels of government? Doesn't that seem kind of unfair?
Laws here are intended to protect to the wealthy. Its illegal for homeless people to sleep anywhere outside. Law and fairness are not ideas that ever touch each other.
When they say "land of the free" it's not free as in freedom, but free as in unpaid.
Name one thing that's free in America for the masses.
Suffering
The United States is a federation.
Each state has a code of laws, and the federal government has one. You break a state law, you're going to state court. You break a federal law, you're going to federal court. You break a state law and a federal law, you're going to state and federal court.
Only if you piss off the rich. A good example is Ted Bundy. Murdered non rich people in 4(?) different states, a situation where it would make complete sense the federal government would be bringing the charges because the crimes weren't all within the jurisdiction of just one state... Yet no federal charges were brought against him, they left it to the states.
That would have been so very high profile back then. Did the lack of federal charges tick everybody off? Just wondering if anyone was going for a “let's play this out through all of the four courts and that'll be enough” game plan, or if it was ineptitude, focus elsewhere, your explanation, etc.
Also has that happened in recent history within the past couple of administrations? If you know
In my personal opinion (anecdotal and possibly wrong) I feel like we had a period of a few decades where there was not so much of a state/federal governments not getting along. Unlike today where you have the FBI blatantly taking cases out of states hands and trying to not allow them to have evidence as we are seeing in say Colorado or California. Jimmie Carter would have been president when Bundy was caught in Florida. I think there may have been a trust in the states to deal with it. Floridas government very much was trying to take pride in the fact that they would execute him from what I know of the case, but I was born in the late 80s so I wasn't around for the the arrest and public reaction in 78'. Someone else may be able to shine light on the differences between how it was portrayed to be handled after/now vs how it was taken by the public then.
Because it is such a high profile case, every level of the bureaucracy wants a bite at the apple. Everyone wants to get in front of a camera and say "We're doing something about it!" to a gaggle of social media influencers and party apparatchiks with press badges.
So corruption?
Not corruption, per say. This is a fatal flaw of any democratic institution. You need to be seen doing your job or people will assume it isn't getting done. So more and more of the job of an executive level official is marketing yourself.
Everyone who isn't running around cutting their own promos is setting themselves up for defeat against someone who does.
I'm always defending politicians, so… no, just kidding, I'm not. But I will offer a more sympathetic explanation not from experience, just from my hindquarters.
If there were three different people in power who are all independently upset about a crime, I could imagine each of them figuring out what the suspect did in their jurisdiction. That’s to fight back personally as well as to have a story for the next town hall when someone includes the crime in a long list of places why $currentCity has gone down the tubes over $longPeriod
So then have these three separate cases because everyone felt disrespected and wants a billboard, “don’t mess with us“. Maybe it wasn't very relevant that the perp scraped a mailbox while peeling out of the scene of the crime, but is that a reason for the postmaster not to have his friends from the US postal inspection over? :)
There are valid reasons to do so, that wouldn't necessarily feel unfair against someone who for sure did something wrong. Basically, it's so that one sticks. Derek Chauvin was charged on second degree unintentional murder, third degree murder, and second degree manslaughter.
These all have different degrees of severity, including average and maximum punishments.
Unintentional 2nd degree is the hardest, and requires a felony (3rd degree assault) to stick. Max penalty 40y, average 12.5.
3rd degree murder requires less; just an "eminently dangerous" act with a "depraved mind" and no regard for life. 25y max, same average
2nd degree Manslaughter is just culpable negligence that can cause unreasonable risk of death or great harm. 10 year max, 4 average.
Now they have to convince a Jury to convict on those charges. If they don't think the felony happened, then the first charge is out. If they don't think he had a "depraved mind", then the second charge is also out. So to make sure he actually gets a punishment, they charge all charges they believe they can get a jury to accept. Charging in both federal and state can also protect against only one politically motivated Governor or president from pardoning all charges, so they would need two pardons.
In addition, if the federal government is worried the state trial might be too biased, they may want their own charges just in case. It seems unfair because you may identify with his actions, but if this was someone lynching people in an extremely racist state (I'd like to say like in the past, but maybe even today) the federal government tacking on charges (in a better admin) could protect against racists just absolving someone from said murder.
In Derek Chauvin's case all charges were successfully convicted, but that isn't always the case. It is a double edged sword though.
Thank you for the explanation (sincerely).
Beyond the pardon thing, it just seems like they're having multiple bites at the same pie whilst being able to ignore double jeopardy.
It would seem saner to make them commit to whatever the maximum crime/penalty they are aiming for and ignore the rest. Instead it seems like they (the government, in all its forms) can just try to throw shit at the wall and see what sticks.
Yeah, with corrupt governments in place it's used more negatively than positively. While there are valid reasons, in practice it's misplaced good intentions at best, more what you're saying more likely.
Ai voice cloning has gotten so good they cloned the voice of my best friend who is known for NOT burning down warehouses and framed him!
Will be curious to see where the case is tried. If the warehouse is deeply unpopular in the local community, they may file for a change of venue.
Yeah, I'm definitely curious to see how this plays out.
So we have a Luigi and a Waluigi. Next up... Mario? Who wants to beat up the evil fatass kidnapping girls?
Save the princess from... Eh trumph?
Is his name fucking Mario Mangione? Wtf? They could be brothers
That warehouse got luigid good
Oh how I'm not looking forward to seeing the right make this into a "the left" issue and then a race issue.
What?
He's an Airaab FFS! Clearly it's antisematizaam!
It's not left-right, us poor zionists are the victim here again.
Okay internet. The first hero was meme'd into this guy:
Since this second hero has facial hair, I think we should keep with the theme and meme him into this guy:
Let's make it happen internet denizens.
wish he worked at mara lago.
🥵
Huh, maybe Baudrillard was right.
Someone made a give send go for him but nobody is donating https://www.givesendgo.com/Chamelabdulkarim
Might it have anything to do with the fact nobody knows what the hell givesendgo is?
How do we know you didn't make that?
geeze ok whatever
Credibility proof? Also: prayers? Fuck no.
How do people know that the funding is going to him? There needs to be some proof. I can set up one too and keep the money.
Prayers are an option there on the site.
What
isn't that the place where the CEO is a MAGAT shill?
It’s the only place you can raise funds for legal defense of this kind. They are literally the ones hosting Luigi Mangione’s legal defense as gofundme refuses. If you know a better one enlighten us but this man needs a legal defense fund.
I don't really know if a legal defense fund makes sense. He filmed himself committing the crime and admitted to it. This has got to be the most unavoidable verdict ever, right?
Representation matters
Fair point, although he should get a state appointed representative regardless, right? I just am not sure whether having the best lawyer in the world or a literal sock puppet will make a difference now. Either way he's looking at 10 years for sure. Idk though, I guess 10 vs 20 seems achievable and would be pretty worth it...hmm yeah I think I'm more with you now
State appointed lawyers are garbage because they keep them very overloaded. A good lawyer always makes a difference because our system is set up to be more lenient on people with money
One the home page of give end go their are many antivax funds. Look like a right wing grifting website.
It’s the website hosting Luigi Mangione’s legal donations
Okey, I wouldn't give to Luigi on this site too... I am surprised.
He’s raised 1.5 million on this site for his legal defense. His legal team has thanked everyone.
Yeah I get this. I still don't feel this website loom legit. I al mistaken, I looked against, I can't shake the feeling.
Burning down a warehouse full of non-recycled toilet paper isnt really cool. I dont get it. That is so much literal forests that burn for no reason, also a lot of toxins released.
Nothing working class about Luigi.
I didn't like this because of economic damage and needlessness for a bunch of firefighters to stop the spread.
Should've just gone straight to the ceo
Then they just replace the CEO with a new one and the cycle continues once again. CEO's are more often than not just fallguys that get swapped out when shareholders are displeased.
What this guy did was a direct and tangible hit to the property and finances of the company in a way they will never forget. Entire supply lines will be disrupted and it will take them considerable time to recover. If this type of action was coordinated across multiple locations by their workers it would devastate the company if not destroy it entirely depending on how severe the action was.
Nah. We're diversified. We're always trying out new and exciting forms of crime. And we'd better, because there's some Japanese gangs out there that's gonna do it faster and cheaper.
it took UHC 48 hours to pick a new CEO.
it will take them at least a year to replace that warehouse.
which do you think will have more impact?
now compound that impact if multiple warehouses have similar fates.
the working class is beginning to wake up and realize that the hegemony has always been teetering on collapse.
we don't need no water, let the motherfucker burn.
No, another idiot
The sentiment is right, the channeling of the anger is wrong
He should've voter harder next time
Ppl breathed that right
Downsides exist, expect that comment to be +10/-10 but it’s +1/-19 right now
Risk to working-class firefighters who may not be willing activists… authoritarian pushback (bag checks every time like Amazon warehouses)… room for debate here y’all
Edit: Wait, were there literally thirty innocent humans in that building?
Fuck that guy. Luigi had no victims. Forming unions take work, but picket lines don't destroy businesses.
I'd be pissed if some salty coworker set fire to where I worked and put MY ass out on the street.
Idk the story but sounds like you were already on the street if you were working there
A proper old school union both destroyed businesses that deserved to be destroyed and the ownership that operated said business. That's not insane revolutionary speak, that is real working class history.
The history of unions is one of war.
They had a choice. This guy lit the place on fire with 30 of his coworkers inside.
Unions are the compromise. Many businesses owners have been lynched by there employees. If there is nowhere to voice your discomfort your only recourse is violence. A strike can result in a business shutting down if the workers strike for long enough. That's why organisation is needed. Forming a union takes time but it's worth it.