Intellectual Debate
2mon 5d ago by lemmy.world/u/CultLeader4Hire in lemmyshitpost
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Only correct answer.
Centaurworld is probably one of the best Netflix shows
Hush now, hide, all you little ones Rush now, into the middle of nowhere Singing and laughter will die.
One of the few "kids" shows who treated their audience with upmost respect, never talked down to the audience, and knew that kids are able to see and understand heavy topics. the suicide episode still haunts me on how incredibly good it was.
Yes, I will die on the hill that a show about farting animals is genuinely a must watch for everyone.
I was stoned out of my gourd one day after work, and the friend that talked up Steven Universe (warning me not to binge - I did and it shattered me.) said to watch centaurworld. I gave it a chance and have no regrets.
Gritty, heavy, but loving and communicative. Beautiful show.
it holds up sober too.
Oh it definitely does, that was just why I started it.
Finished it out stone cold sober and it was really fantastic.
It's so good!
I'm mildly offended that I can consistently be reduced to a blubbering mess by a show with literal fart-based plot points.
as far as shows with literal fart based plots. this one's the best
Netflix sort of went to shit so I've been off it for a while.
Is this an outlier or do they actual serve anything decent these days?
definitely an outlayer. give it a watch.
Imma sail the high seas on this one.
however you watch it, enjoy it.
not really a spoiler but
make sure you are in a good place and close to good company for s01e08.
Shit, maybe not. I'm in the US and I'm pretty fucking fragile right now, emotionally. XD
mate. feel free to DM me if you need to after that episode
Gonna pass for a while, but thanks for the warning.
Probably none of us need trauma rn.
anyways, it's good, and if you are in a sensitive place, it might make you feel seen and help you. just know my DMs are open.
You are real real. I'm good but thanks.
Centaurworld nailed it. Next question
Thinking this
Attribution https://www.instagram.com/p/DTY5qn3D9N3/
I do believe that would be more like a minotaur than a centaur
Minoraffe? Giraffitaur?
Das "-taur" kommt natürlich von "Taurus" also Stier. Also eindeutig "Minoraffe", klingt auch passend, finde Ich. Nur ein wenig nach Affe.
Talk about back pain.
Good posture is VERY important in this case.
There's a 3d option available:
I... what the fuck am I looking at... ?
Please draw a diagram of this creature's digestive system for me. Also their spinal structure.
I… what the fuck am I looking at… ?
It's the human centipede. But giraffe.
Sorry, but I have no clue how this character functions at all. Ask Oda (One Piece creator) about this. 😁
Yeah... the Smiles are pretty fucked up.
So I am an expert in alternative digestive systems. It loops down into the human then back up into the geraffe. That's so the human segment can be vomited at a predator as a defense mechanism m
This a giraffe with an elaborate head ornament.
Good ol' Hamlet! Anytime one of these "what if centaur but different" posts come up I think about him
Good ol' Hamlet
..that play is apparently VERY different from how I remember it 🤔
How long has it been since you've visited Denmark? Because that geraffe is the spitting image of this Danish exchange student I dated in high school
How long has it been since you've visited Denmark?
Since I'm a Danish citizen and have lived here my whole life, I guess I've technically never VISITED Denmark 😄
Because that geraffe is the spitting image of this Danish exchange student I dated in high school
That's probably Pernille. She works at my local hardware store.
she's a classy lady
Looks 2d to me.
Ps everyone should go watch centaurworld. It's a masterpiece.
nosk from hollow knight
I don't like it. But it's probably #2. Centaurs replace the neck of the base animal with a human torso.
Considering the path of the Giraffes Recurrent laryngeal nerve, I would say so too.
But then the torso wouldn't be so long.
Do giraffes have long necks, or long torsos?
Yeah, the first one obviously.
His logic is sound.
You have to have the long neck, or it's not a giraffe man thing
Edit: A giraftaur
centaffe
Centauraffe
What if it's some other type of stupid long horse
Stupid? No good sir. *cue music My Horse is amazing...
False dichotomy.
Centraur is when the neck of an quadruped animal gets its neck replaced by an human upper body... So the giraffe centaur would have neither a long human stomach, nor a long human neck.
It is reductionism to say that something isn't a giraffe, if it doesn't have a long neck part. Shame on you! 😉
Yeah. Everyone knows giraffe centaurs share the ears and ossicones of giraffes, but not their long necks and legs.
It's more like the ancestors of giraffes that had not elongated yet. Oh, and pretty long tongues too.
A centaur has explicitly horse features until a certain point, then explicitly human features from that point onwards.
That would mean the upper part not being allowed to divert back to horseness/giraffiness, as the left pic does.
But right would also be wrong, because the torso is elongated instead of the neck.
I suppose a giraffe centaur would be considerably shorter than either of these images suggest.
So, the left pic without the long neck? Makes the most sense to me.
So, the horses at Fenton's (where the horses are hung like you) are centaurs by that definition?
Number 2 would fall over.
Right now a giraffe needs 600lbs of neck muscle to hold up a 50 lb head on a 6 foot lever.
There is no way the giraffe's neck could hold a regular human torso. Forget a proportional one. It's not possible.
Picture for scale. A regular human torso would look comically small on top of a giraffe.
Came here for this. #2 would bend over once and be down for life.
Not to mention those front knees would be under tremendous pressure, even just normal walking would be punishing.
Well, maybe. Or they'd have the most developed 42 pack abs you've ever seen.
What about very developed neck flap sails
You don't even have to get into the weight.
Mammals have at most 4 limbs. Centaurs would have 6 limbs, and the mammal brain never evolved to handle that many.
Yes but there's a chance
centaur have human shoulders and neck and head. And horse body without neck&head
so the first one is right, except with human neck
Are you implying standard centaurs don't have horse necks?
Yeah, have you not seen a standard centaur before? Sheesh
My wife and I frequently bond over a mutual hatred of giraffes. I think this meme just got me laid tonight
I'm glad you two monsters found each other. I hope your kids grow up to love giraffes.
The family that hates together ungulates together!
All ungulates? What about the tasty ones?
Well no, just mainly giraffes. I was hoping that the rhyme would have been funny and distracting enough that I didn't have to explain.
do you pronounce penelope like antelope?
I don't think I've ever said the name Penelope out loud in my life, come to think of it. I guess we'll never know
So why do you two hate giraffes?
Here the thing. You ever looked into a giraffe's eyes? There's nothing there, they're mentally vacant. They make deer look like they read the New Yorker. They fight with their necks, which is dumb, but it's even dumber that their evolutionary gambit worked at all. You wanted to eat the leaves, you got tall. Your medals are in the mail, giraffes. Gold medals with sarcastically long neck ribbons. It makes me sick. They're no better than camels, and don't get me started about those filthy bastards.
Well no, now we're interested and you need to elaborate on the camels.
Come on, have you seen them? I could name three thing to do with their mouths alone that serve as proof that God doesn't exist. Go watch a video of camel mouth bubbles and tell me I'm wrong, and keep in mind this is a creature that will spit on you.
Stupid long horses. /ref
Giraffes have the same number of neck vertebrae as you and me, the bones are just much longer.
An actual giraffe centaur with human torso from the animal's chest up would just be a long-legged spotty horse centaur.
It's posts like this that just reinforce the idea that centaurs are freaky creatures.
Why a six-limbed creature? Actual mammals have at most 4 limbs. What does it eat? Is the stomach a horse stomach or a human stomach? Does the human head have to eat 15 kilograms of grass per day, munching it inefficiently with its human teeth? Can it just blend it up and drink vast quantities of smoothies instead? Are the centaur's front limbs massively strong, unlike a horse, because it has to support a whole secondary torso right at the front of its body? Does the whole body have the same notoriously finnicky immune system and fragility of a horse? Where's the heart, is it in the human chest or the horse chest? If it is running hard will it be the human chest that's panting, using those tiny lungs to power an entire body? Or is there just an air tube down through the useless human chest all the way to the horse's mighty lungs? If the lungs being used are the horse ones, what's all that room in the human chest being used for?
6 limbs implies that centaurs are insects.
The human-looking part is probably just a lure, like those deep-sea lantern fish. A human gets close enough to investigate and the insect pounces.
This post changed me.
The centaur diet consists mostly of meat, so they require fewer plants to survive. But plants are very good for their health, preferably root and leafy plants over grains, nuts, and fruits, but they can still enjoy any diet.
Centaurs used to prefer to eat only raw meat and alcohol, but after contact with humans they developed a cooking culture, preferring methods like spit roasts over methods like boiling, but they still enjoy a good stew.
Foods that are toxic or harmful to horses but not to humans are not a problem for centaurs, such as garlic, onions, avocado, chocolate, bread, dairy, and the brassica cultivars.
The upper torsos of centaurs have secondary lungs and a second small heart that help support their brain and make it less likely that they'll faint during heavy activity, with an esophagus leading to the stomach and a thick trachea leading to larger lungs, both on the second torso.
Their esophagus moves food faster than a human esophagus does, so eating something sharp that could scratch their esophagus is more harmful to them, so it's more important for them to really chew their food well. Unlike horses, centaurs can vomit.
Their upper torso has none of the other vital organs humans have in that area, leaving more room for muscles, which gives them their massive upper body strength. When a centaur appears to have a belly, there's no interintestinal fat there; it's all abdominal fat.
The lower torso has all other main vital organs, and a larger heart and lungs similar to those of horses, and the thicker trachea allows them to breathe faster. Centaurs often have large nostrils and a slightly elongated face to allow for faster airflow.
Their livers are more similar in function to those of humans and sledge dogs, giving them high endurance. They can run without rest far longer than any other creatures they know.
Their lymphatic and blood system, on the other hand, is more similar to that of horses.
Unlike humans, centaurs do not lose muscle mass due to lack of activity, mostly due to illness or lack of nutrition.
There are some variations depending on what 'taur' is their lower body, but these are the common traits shared among all tauric species.
Why would the giraffe have a 6 foot torso?
Yeah, what's going on inside there?
Why don't you have six foot torso
Well obviously I do but I'm not a giraffe.
yeah i know. your a dog, this is the internet.
No.
Neck has to be long. if torso is long that's biologically impossible you die of low blood pressure to the head
The first one. The second one is way too top heavy to be practical.
the first, obviously
of course
related, what would a human-human centaur look like?
Didn't they have those in dungeon crawler Carl?
that was what inspired the question
so my thoughts are tainted. I want fresh opinions
Wasn't it called the mantaur?
that it was
I think it would look like a dude with two torsos stacked on top of each other. My logic is a centaur replaced the neck and head of a horse with the torso of a man. So if you replace the neck and head of a man with the torso of a man... Mantaur
so still only one pair of legs, then
lord garmadon from lego ninjago ig
A dude with another dude growing out of his butt.
Imagine a guy crawling along on the ground, except where his neck would be there's a second torso attached, and it goes upwards so that as the guy crawls the second torso is vertical.
Asking the real questions.
This is actually so tricky. My instinct said "right hand side would be impractical, so no way" but then I remembered they evolved long necks to get to food so it makes sense to evolve arms there to better feed themselves.
My little cope against this is:
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Centaurs use their arms to wield and craft weapons. This would make them much better suited for the left hand option, where they can try for body strikes against centaurs rather than just decapitation. It would also make them actually useful against any foes which aren't birds.
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From an evolutionary and physiological standpoint, arms growing out of your neck is unrealistic. You don't have the structural components to support it there - the neck is too busy supporting the head and it's pretty crowded up there. Arms are typically attached to a broadened torso-skeleton, built to support lateral attachments as well as the longitudinal attachment of a head and neck.
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Edit: Ah, but it seems I haven't paid enough attention to the illustration. Centaur on the right actually has a mega torso as it's neck, which renders cope #2 as obsolete.
Well, I find it hard to believe that the centiraffe would be forced to waste resources on growing a mega ribcage and mega long sternum like that. Also, it's kind of just not "in the spirit of the game" - no longer does he resemble a giraffe, whose defining feature is the mega neck, but now he resembles just a very tall centaur. Horses are not short giraffes.
Still going with option A.
Cows are short giraffes, though... (And both cows and giraffes are just forms of land whale)
u blew my mind, i honestly never knew this but had to google it. Giraffes, Cows and Deers are indeed "cousins"
...and whales are closely related, even if one step further separated – they only have three stomaches instead of four, for example. But ungulates all the same!
I'm going with option b because what if they had skin flaps on their arms and accidentally caught a gust of wind like a kite
And what if they wear pants?
No Pants is one of the advantages of being a giraffe. It's one of the first rules.
Both, and they've been at war with each other for millenia.
Yes
Unfortunately, we would probably get stuck with the first one, which wouldn't be much of an evolutionary improvement.
The second one. The magic that created them would fortify their muscles.
The weight distribution of second one looks... unstable... probably too top-heavy to be effective.
Magic.
Usefulness is overrated
first option because the equivalent of giraffe neck would be human neck.
I have no idea, but if i had to pick one based on looks i would pick the right. It just looks more umm reasonable?
The nerve that connects the larynx to the brain in all animals goes down through the neck, around the aorta, up through the neck again.
In giraffes, it is the longest nerve in the animal kingdom. The signal delay is so long that giraffes are unable to make any complex sounds.
Source: inside natures giants documentary series, recommended.
Hmm... is the giraffe centaur an obligate herbivore?
It's a normal sized human torso.
GD it.
This is the "Tie Game" all over again.
Right one seems more correct, but the human part shouldn't have stripes.
In a normal giraffe the neck (and the legs) is long in order to be able to reach the leafs high up on trees, so it makes sense that in a giraffe centaur arms would be at a that would let them use theirs arms to help with that, which would either be higher up or, alternativelly, lower down but long enough that they can both reach the leaves above AND the ground below whilst standing up.
Neither, but closer to the right one. Think like a flying squirrel. Lots of loose skin to catch breezes
First one!
1st one definitely
why on earth would it have a human heart.
It would have 2 hearts
But the Centaur has two torsos, it is also human in appearance, his internal organs have no need to be human-like
I bet you felt intelligent making this post didn't you?
Normal centaurs have a 90 degree bend in their spine making them incredibly fragile, 2 hearts, two ribcages, and two sets of lungs, both of which would be unable to supply a normal centaur with air under physical effort because of the long airway required to reach the larger lungs.
Mythical creatures are held together with magic so its obvious the second one is correct.
Whatever the writers decide it looks like in the universe they write about.
I thought it was a stereogram, but alas nothing popped out at me.
Edit:
Maybe more like this with stubby legs and a long neck?
Sorry, it was just corrupted, I will try to reload it, sorry again
All I see is a bunch of fuzz. Try reuploading?